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Tuesday, April 03, 2012
Checkmate Creationists.
I keep seeing this poster turning up on certain blogs and websites trying to shame Atheists for their lack of belief in a higher power.
Of course there has always been a rather glaring cognitive dissonance connected with this particular attack. And I am not the only one to have noticed that.
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O/T Levi Johnston Gets Another Chick Pregnant
ReplyDeleteSay what you will about Levi Johnston, but his sperm is world class -- he's gotten another girl pregnant out of wedlock.
Sources tell TMZ ... the lucky woman is Sunny Oglesby, a 20-year-old school teacher from Wasilla, Alaska. Levi has been dating her for just over a year. We're told she's in the very early stages of pregnancy -- less than 3 months.
Sunny isn't showing, which may be why Levi hasn't told someone else his secret -- and that would be Bristol Palin, his other baby mama.
Levi is telling friends Sarah Palin and Todd have completely alienated him from his son Tripp, and he barely sees him as a result. Levi says Sarah and Todd have lied to him, telling him Bristol and Tripp were out of town when they were not.
As a result, we're told Levi is "so excited" about starting his new family.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/03/levi-johnston-girlfriend-pregnant-sarah-palin-bristol-palin-tripp/#.T3rNrNmW6So
First of all, the God I believe in does not hate gays. The God I believe in hates intolerance and hates hate.
ReplyDeleteThe part about how something came out of "nothing" is about as mind-bending and awe-inspiring as it gets, and holds true whether one is religious (and not a biblical literalist, please) or one is purely scientific or whatever label one wants to slap on the Atheist perspective.
I have no answers for that one, nor does anyone else at this point. Kind of a mystery, isn't it?
As in, what happened, what was there, before the big bang?
Linear time is meaningless, I imagine.
Our pea brains just may not be capable of conceiving the true nature of reality.
The part about how something came out of "nothing" is about as mind-bending and awe-inspiring as it gets
DeleteYes, almost as mind-bending and awe-inspiring as the field of quantum mechanics, of which this phenomenon is a small part. The predictions of quantum mechanics have been verified experimentally to an extremely high degree of accuracy.
I have no answers for that one, nor does anyone else at this point.
Let me fix that for you:
I have no answers for that one, and up to now have been unaware of, or unwilling to consider, any of the answers that are out there, such as The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow.
Is Levi's girlfriend really pregnant? Last I read/heard, she said she really wants to wait a couple years, not that accidents don't happen esp to him. Most people in general aren't planned pregnancies.
ReplyDeleteMan, Levi. For a boy with no job, you now have 2 kids to support. God speed horndog. But at least if true, he can focus his needy energy on a baby. Stay at home dad? S's job doesn't pay much, I used to be a toddler teacher.
As a product of many years of Catholic school, I was taught that God always existed. He always was and always will be. Try wrapping your brain around that.
ReplyDeleteI guess after hundreds of billions of years in total darkness he got bored and spent a week in the shop.
I thank God I'm an Atheist
I also have asked religious people where God came from. Their standard reply is he has always existed. It is my belief that man created religions to keep others under control. Some of the whacky rituals make me wonder what kind of 'God' would require them. What kind of God would condone the bloody wars and killing done in his name. Doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteCareful, Gryphen, if Arizona passes the following new law, and deems posts on the internet as "entering the state," then you (and so many millions of others) could be found guilty of disrespecting religion or being lusty because those things "annoy" Arizonians.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/30/arizona-law-would-criminalize-being-annoying-on-the-internet/
GOD does not "hate gays". God loves everyone, period.
ReplyDeletePeople like Sarah Palin and Rush Pillpopper use "God" to further their own hate filled agenda and it's THEM that "hate gays". And secret socialists. And redheads. Etc etc.
REAL Christians know God intended for us to love everyone- atheists included.
Now, onto the juicy stuff:
What say you regarding Levi having another baby and all but admitting it is to replace Tripp because SARAH and TODD alienate him from Tripp?
Good morning, great way to start a day, with a lol!
ReplyDeleteCompletely O/T but MARVELOUS:
ReplyDeleteat 7:30 EST, the NBC camera caught Sarah Palin in Matt Lauer's dressing room (which he drily observed she hadn't been given permission to uee), and she was
WRITING ON HER LEFT HAND WITH A BLACK MARKER!
No kidding.
I am sacrificing myself for the mental health of IMers anywhere -- although it would start off your morning with a laugh to see Her Heinous in action. Keep your eye on her left hand starting at 8 a.m.
From 7 EST for several minutes, Matt L. asked her questions, and not one was answered directly -- it was all word salad, not even with a new salad dressing. Whatever he asked, she served her same old leftovers. With a raised voice -- not the conversational style -- no "inside voice" --
required for a studio interview.
This should be good.
NEWS FLASH!
ReplyDeleteMatt Lauer does not like Sarah Palin. Updates to follow.
Who does?
DeleteI must have studied physics too much, because I didn't see the irony in the first poster (on which I did stumble upon some time ago). To me, everything written on it does make perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteYes, nothing can and does usually evolve into something. It's called a spontaneous symmetry breakage. Take a perfectly symmetrical pencil, make it stand perfectly vertically on its sharpened tip, and it will not stand there, despite there being no reason to fall in one direction or another ; out of nowhere, it will end up falling in one direction. So nothing (no preferred direction to fall in while standing on its tip) will create something (the direction in which the pencil fell).
The symmetry of the situation is not broken "on average", since if you repeat the experiment a thousand times, the pencil will fall everytime in a different direction. So, physical laws are respected - even though each falling of the pencil does create a new random direction out of no direction at all.
Of course, if someone can't take the idea of pencils falling for no reason, and has to include a mysterious god pushing it sideways to make it fall, then that someone won't be equipped to apprehend that the universe suddenly came into being from no obvious reason at all.
there is no way to get the pencil tip perfectly symmetrically sharp. Or the surface of the table perfectly symmetrically flat.
Deletethere is no way …
DeleteTo the extent that that is so, the symmetry of the situation "on average" will be off by that much. The analogy of the behaviour on individual trials still holds, however.
In a roundtable with Ann Curry and a variety of "experts" on bringing up teenage girls, Ms. Palin alleged that more reality shows that demonstrate ril, hardworkin' gals would provide good role models for teens.
ReplyDeleteA Columbia University psychologist, a bit later, said that reality shows were non constructive and the most important contribution that can be made to teenage girls is time spent with their mothers and fathers. That that's "reality." Sarah nodded....
I feel like I have to say it again, so here it comes :
ReplyDeleteThe Big Bang theory was invented by a priest who thought that *the Big Bang was God creating the World*.
Whether one likes it or not, the Big Bang is the best scientific argument so far *for* the existence of God (or gods).
Fanatical morons, who deny the Big Bang as mere atheistic silliness, are only shooting themselves in the foot - because the Big Bang did happen, and history has a way to ensure that science seeps out everywhere - everywhere advanced.
Maybe it's the reason why they work so hard to make America turn its back to history and destroy its middle class ? Ah, well, China will be the next super-power much sooner then.
The entire line of reasoning is fraught with logical fallacies including the use of straw men and question begging assumptions. A far better description of Big Bang Theory was provided by the Firesign Theatre in the early 1970's in their landmark release "I think we're all Bozos on this bus". Quite simply, it declares that "Before the beginning, there were hot lumps. Cold and lonely they whirled noiselessly through the endless voids of space." (Or something close to that -- I don't have the transcript handy and I'm relying on the voices in my head which aren't always accurate._
ReplyDeleteAs an atheist, I quite like that poster. Nothingness sounds just about right to me.
ReplyDeleteOur military at work...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.democraticunderground.com/101720071
I don't remember...have we heard your reasoning for how all of this happened?
ReplyDeleteThis post just serves to prove that Agnosticism is the only rational point of view. Anyone who thinks they have the answer on the God question is a deluded zealot or playing spiritual lotto.
ReplyDeleteSaying there is no God takes just as much faith in the unprovable as saying there IS. it's really that simple. Admit you don't have the answer and unblock your mind. You'll never learn anything if you believe you already have the answer.
Speaking of religion. Mitt Romney (realizing he has a "religion" problem, now states that President Obama is a "secret atheist".
ReplyDeleteAs for the signs, I've seen them both, and neither will change anyone's minds.
As an Atheist, it doesn't bother me either way, as many Christians I've asked still can't explain why men have nipples, why God made man from dirt and woman from a rib, and the "be fruitful and multiply" thingy vs. the "fact" that Adam and Eve had two sons, so with whom did they become fruitful and multiply with?
...except the one about God is a strawman...a particularly flimsy one at that, surely you could do better?
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