Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Is creating a Federal Mandate to buy health insurance unconstitutional? Not according to the Founding Fathers!

"Don't worry Barry. I've got your back."
Courtesy of The New Republic:  

In making the legal case against Obamacare’s individual mandate, challengers have argued that the framers of our Constitution would certainly have found such a measure to be unconstitutional. Nevermind that nothing in the text or history of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause indicates that Congress cannot mandate commercial purchases. The framers, challengers have claimed, thought a constitutional ban on purchase mandates was too “obvious” to mention. Their core basis for this claim is that purchase mandates are unprecedented, which they say would not be the case if it was understood this power existed.

But there’s a major problem with this line of argument: It just isn’t true. The founding fathers, it turns out, passed several mandates of their own. In 1790, the very first Congress—which incidentally included 20 framers—passed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. That’s right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate. 

That’s not all. In 1792, a Congress with 17 framers passed another statute that required all able-bodied men to buy firearms. Yes, we used to have not only a right to bear arms, but a federal duty to buy them. Four framers voted against this bill, but the others did not, and it was also signed by Washington. Some tried to repeal this gun purchase mandate on the grounds it was too onerous, but only one framer voted to repeal it. 

Six years later, in 1798, Congress addressed the problem that the employer mandate to buy medical insurance for seamen covered drugs and physician services but not hospital stays. And you know what this Congress, with five framers serving in it, did? It enacted a federal law requiring the seamen to buy hospital insurance for themselves. That’s right, Congress enacted an individual mandate requiring the purchase of health insurance. And this act was signed by another founder, President John Adams.

I swear there is NOTHING I enjoy more than using facts to smack down a GOP talking point.

(H/T to Andrew Sullivan.)

28 comments:

  1. AJ Billings4:55 AM

    Hey, we know you are making that up Gryphen. Just because some website publishes facts, doesn't mean we have to believe it. Them old people back in the old times weren't part of 'rill America, they weren't good Tparty folks like us. They could never have mandationed anything like that, also too.
    Any of them, all of them founders were never like that.

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  2. Anonymous5:08 AM

    Gasp! You mean Sarah's crack team brain trust of Todd, Track or Bristol weren't able to Google that pertinent information to help her figure out this mandation?

    To think she asks us to trust her leadership that consists of gutteral instincts on time tested truths and fundamental basis of our Christian-inspired Constitution.

    Can't wait to see how our sage bizzaro POTUS refudiates this also too.

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  3. Sharon5:12 AM

    What a great article...damn, makes you wonder about the argument made by our lawyer. These guys are all using the constitution as their "bible" of facts....this is a direct example of how health insurance was mandated and why. It is the perfect argument, if someone uses it, I hope Rachel does.

    On another note, I still can't believe how worried we have to be about keeping Obama. This country has a selective memory problem to say the least. Getting Congress back, esp Pelosi....just imagine how much this man could accomplish in 4 years. It's more than time for this country to wake up and educate itself and get rid of all the republicans that drag us backwards.

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  4. Randi Rhodes reported this last week. Was hoping that someone in the MSM would pick up on it.

    As I've said before, I live in Canada. With our health care system, when one loses one's job, he or she does not lose that important health care benefit. That gives people more flexibility in the job market and removes a major source of stress in life.

    People of America: do not fear universal health care. It is a very good thing.

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    1. Anonymous6:10 AM

      Crystal, as a dual citizen that lives in the US, all I can say is I have never understood why my Canadian cousins can have it and I can't. While my husband is a US citizen we do own property in Canada and are seriously thinking about retiring there.
      Little Rabbit

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    2. Randall7:13 AM

      One of the reasons labor is cheaper in other countries is because their employers don't have to carry healthcare benefits.

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    3. Anonymous8:57 AM

      I don't know why they think it's freedom to not to have universal healthcare , and everybody have the same coverage. We don't have freedom now. Ppl have to call and get okays all the time from insurance co and they don't pay. I think it;'s because they are afraid they might have to pay premiums when now a lot of ppl get it free, and they do.

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    4. Anonymous1:49 PM

      "One of the reasons labor is cheaper in other countries is because their employers don't have to carry healthcare benefits."

      yes, and also because they don't have to care if their employees live or die or what kind of quality of life they have, if they're forced to spend off hours trolling the dump for refuse they can resell or if they're killing themselves out of despair for the horrendous living and working conditions they have no choice but to accept.

      See, it's really easy to get cheap labor when their only choice is to work for 45 cents per day or die. And that's exactly the kind of mindset you see with many Republicans. Because "healthcare isn't a RIGHT, it's a PRIVILEGE." And, "if they don't like being harassed on the job, they can always choose not to work there." And let's not forget "when people get sick, they should rely on their family and neighbors, the way they did when I was a kid."

      Oh, and "I don't care about unemployment" and "I'm not worried about the poor".

      This is what passes for common sense among "common sense conservatives."

      The same people who are OUTRAGED that they might have to pay for birth control, but apparently have no qualms with having to pay for pre-natal, birthing, post natal, and health care until 25 for all the unintended children that will result.

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  5. lostinthemidwest5:39 AM

    You have forgotten the most important part of this argument.

    They have re-written history and are continuing to do so as we speak.

    My great grandchildren will no doubt think the Civil War was about cotton prices and that this great nation was started as a haven for Christians fleeing the wrath of the Muslims.

    For the sake of the nation, get these people back into their little holes. And fight tooth and nail for our education system!

    Obama/Biden 2012

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  6. I swear there is NOTHING I enjoy more than using facts to smack down a GOP talking point.
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    Gryphen please!! "facts"..."smacts"...how will you be able to tell them the "facts" if their fingers are in their ears?

    O/T and of course Baldy related. Today is Trig's "official" birthday...the question on my mind is....will Baldy be able to produce a CURRENT picture of her and her prop...er...I mean child or will she again release that picture of Trig with the black slashes under his eyes...you know the one I'm talking about...the one about 3 years old now! LOL!!

    So Baldy...get on it...see if you can get Wallow to photo shop a pic of you and the little guy before the end of the day! Good luck! LOL!!

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  7. Anonymous5:58 AM

    totally off topic, but it's Trig's birthday and if you go to Bristol's FB page, there is no mention of her "brother"; no wishes for a great day; nothing.
    if you go to C4P, same thing.
    hmmm...

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    1. Anonymous1:40 PM

      He is no longer 'USEFUL' for their purpose. They don't know his exact Birthdate, BWAHAHAHA.

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    2. Anita Winecooler8:23 PM

      I think Bristol's the NEW "shiney thing" in the Palin Household. Pathetic, huh?




      Happy Birthday, Trig! We remembered!

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  8. Beldar Obama2012 Conehead6:35 AM

    Meanwhile, openly cheerful Barney Frank declares "Obamacare was a mistake". You know, just in case getting re-elected was turning out to be too darn easy for President Obama.

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  9. Anonymous6:44 AM

    well then, if I decide to become a semen
    I'll buy insurance

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    1. Anonymous8:14 AM

      You would consider becoming "semen"? You probably meant seaman

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    2. Anonymous8:45 AM

      You already were a "semen" at one time.

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    3. Anonymous1:39 PM

      Bwahahaha if you are a Palin Troll, you did not earn your stipend today. You must have PIMP DADDY TOAD on your mind with the 'semen filled condoms wrapped in a washcloth'.

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  10. Randall7:11 AM

    Truth; the facts, are anathema to conservatives/todays Republican party.

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  11. Anonymous7:38 AM

    Will people go to jail if they don't have health insurance?

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    1. Anonymous8:46 AM

      No.Read the law.Feel free to educate yourself.They will pay additional tax penalty.

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    2. Anonymous9:57 AM

      and when they don't pay the tax penalty
      they will go to jail
      or tax lien

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    3. Anonymous11:46 AM

      and when they don't pay the tax penalty
      they will go to jail
      or tax lien


      It's my understanding that when the Act was being negotiated in Congress part of the deal was an exception to the collection muscle the IRS can usually employ.

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  12. imnofred8:00 AM

    Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the Founding Fathers thought. What matters is whether the Supreme Court justices will vote strictly on party lines or will they vote according to their interpretation of the Constitution.

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  13. Anonymous8:08 AM

    Anon 7:44. If you decide to become "semen" well, you may not need health insurance, but you may need something else.. Condoms?

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  14. Boscoe8:55 AM

    UGGGH! I am sick to death of the "It was too obvious for the framers to mention" argument that the right spews up to justify changing the clear intent of our founding documents to suit their radical agenda.

    It's amazing how our founders, who clearly spent much time agonizing over the specific wording of our documents, suddenly got lazy when it came to mandates, the issue of being a "Christian Nation" and whether the 1st amendment was intended specifically to protect the rights of Christians ONLY.

    But like imnofred said, it doesn't matter, it's going to come down to the justices voting along party lines. So, who do you think is paying them more? The Heritage Foundation or the insurance lobby?

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  15. hedgewytch9:12 AM

    Yes, but will the neocons on the supreme court acknowledge this precedent? I think that they must in the end, otherwise it would have ramifications on the US commerce system across the board.

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  16. Anita Winecooler8:30 PM

    They were truly ahead of their time! But imofred said it best, the Supremes in the black robes will fuck it up.

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