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Thursday, May 24, 2012
The story of Genesis explained.
Well I have to say that the story of Adam and Eve makes MUCH more sense to me now.
Just sharing my personal feelings on it. Yes, it sounds outrageous but it's like the chicken and the egg; where did it all start? When did female organisms begin to bear offspring? At what exact moment in time did they become the other important half that has the biological makeup to conceive and bear offspring?
Evolution theorizes man's evolving into what we are today, but it doesn't explain WHEN the one-celled critter split into a two-celled critter and evolved into a two-way populater. My coffee is still brewing, so give me a break!
Sometimes just giving it all to one Creator relieves me of the whole matter, and I don't have problem with being a rib. Right now, a very uncaffeinated rib.
Evolution theorizes man's evolving into what we are today, but it doesn't explain WHEN the one-celled critter split into a two-celled critter and evolved into a two-way populater. My coffee is still brewing, so give me a break!
Rather than just a break, I'll give you a reference. There are, of course, many references available for those with the curiosity to learn more about the world we live in and how it came to be. This is just one of many that are out there. Just one of many that are on my bookshelves, for that matter.
The Greatest Show on Earth : The Evidence for Evolution Richard Dawkins FREE PRESS A Division of Simon & Schuster, Inc. ISBN 978-1-4165-9478-9 ISBN 978-1-4165-9778-0 (ebook)
When you write "it doesn't explain [topic]" are you saying that you have done a thorough literature search and come up empty, or are you saying "what I know about evolution so far doesn't explain [topic]"?
There is no specific "WHEN"—no "exact moment in time"—to be explained, by the way. Here are a couple of examples of how life is just not that simple:
Besides single-celled organisms and multicellular organisms you can find colonial organisms, where clusters of cells act cooperatively but a single cell can survive on its own if separated.
Besides organisms that reproduce asexually and organisms that reproduce sexually, you can find organisms that exchange genetic information by conjugation.
Sometimes just giving it all to one Creator relieves me of the whole matter…
It's OK not to be curious about every area of human knowledge. It's OK to say, "I don't know how this came to be." Saying, in effect, "Nobody else does either" can—I hope—be blamed on caffeine deprivation.
This is only an extract but the ending makes me choke up every time I think of it. So if you get a chance get busy, find this version by Train and read it!
Gles, I remember reading the diaries of Adam and Eve in college, and had the same reaction. Twain "got it" with his essays, in the end our differences don't matter and all that's important is the relationship and complexity of love.
There are actually TWO Genesis stories; one in which humans were just made [sometime after the other animals], and the other, more misogynistic one, in which women were made of man-leftovers.
Since it's all fairy tales anyway, you can pick the one you like the best.
Once ancient man realized that woman does not create new life entirely from within her body, that the act of delivering sperm into the womb had something to do with it, the veneration of Woman as Goddess, as Creator of Life ended. The very act of passion and ejaculation which had been sacred to the Goddess and the rhythms of Nature's seasons became focused on the loss of masculine strength upon completion of the sex act. Woman became the Evil which drew strength from man, Goddess worship was suppressed, and the rise of the Patristic religions began. The old rituals were subverted to establish the masculine superiority and dominance of Man and his God. To this day we are shackled by this ancient decision to not live in harmony with Woman and Nature. Draw your own conclusions as to the destructiveness of it all.
Yes, they've never gotten over that the "weaker" "dumber" gender has been given the keys to creation. They can have all the sperm in the world, but w/o a woman, no next generation. It rankles.
Someday, someone is going to realize "in a flash" (aka revelation) that "there's metaphors in that thar' book" and feel just a bit silly....sadly many of those somebodies are fundies (sigh)
Jesse, I like when you post these types of commentaries. I am hopeful that the response not only educates but peaks(piques) the interest of many people. I am constantly learning the good, bad and ugly of it all. My father used to tell me that if we all thought alike, what a dull world it would be. If he were alive, I wonder what he would say now!
I wonder if anyone has read James Michner who wrote "The Source"? I tell you I was fascinated...(it's a thick book but reads quickly).
The biblical stories of Adam and Eve and Mary are similar (no sex). Though I wonder why these two ways of making a human being are so different unless God finally understood how babies are actually gestated.
That pretty much nails it...lol... Except for the fact that in the original (i.e. Sumerian) version of the story, humans were created (out of clay and blood) by the goddess Ninhursag and the god Enki, whose daughter, Ninti, became known as the "Lady of the Rib" because she had healed Enki's painful rib.
When I was in college in one of my Women's Studies courses I learned that in the original book of Genesis that Adam and Eve were created equal. Eve wasn't some foul destroyer of Adam. This was changed after a Pope had a bad experience with a prostitute and insisted on the change and the vilification of women.
Anon 9:11 - what you learned in college was incorrect. A pope had nothing to do with it. The subjugation of women began long before popes or the church were around.
Which creation myth? Genesis I is not telling the same story as Genesis II. Try to make a timeline of the events of each day as told in Genesis I and then compare that with a timeline made from Genesis II. They do not match. They are, of course both inerrant, but other than that they don't match.
Somewhere,somehow,males discovered their role in creation,realized the newfound knowledge could be used to control and dominate everything and everyone on the planet,and things went downhill from then on.The End.
I've always loved the myths contained in the "good book", and this one is my all time favorite, next to, of course, the "Immaculate Conception". So God made man from dust, realized it was a mistake, and made woman out of bone and meat, which explains the attraction. What man doesn't like ribs and meat?
Wasn't there another story about Eve not being the first woman? Something about a gal called "lillith" who couldn't bear children? Wonder what she was made of? I may be mistaken, it's been ages since I've read the book.
yes, a man is just a woman with a very large clit
ReplyDeleteand itty bitty titties
Just sharing my personal feelings on it. Yes, it sounds outrageous but it's like the chicken and the egg; where did it all start? When did female organisms begin to bear offspring? At what exact moment in time did they become the other important half that has the biological makeup to conceive and bear offspring?
ReplyDeleteEvolution theorizes man's evolving into what we are today, but it doesn't explain WHEN the one-celled critter split into a two-celled critter and evolved into a two-way populater. My coffee is still brewing, so give me a break!
Sometimes just giving it all to one Creator relieves me of the whole matter, and I don't have problem with being a rib. Right now, a very uncaffeinated rib.
Evolution theorizes man's evolving into what we are today, but it doesn't explain WHEN the one-celled critter split into a two-celled critter and evolved into a two-way populater. My coffee is still brewing, so give me a break!
DeleteRather than just a break, I'll give you a reference. There are, of course, many references available for those with the curiosity to learn more about the world we live in and how it came to be. This is just one of many that are out there. Just one of many that are on my bookshelves, for that matter.
The Greatest Show on Earth : The Evidence for Evolution
Richard Dawkins
FREE PRESS A Division of Simon & Schuster, Inc.
ISBN 978-1-4165-9478-9
ISBN 978-1-4165-9778-0 (ebook)
When you write "it doesn't explain [topic]" are you saying that you have done a thorough literature search and come up empty, or are you saying "what I know about evolution so far doesn't explain [topic]"?
There is no specific "WHEN"—no "exact moment in time"—to be explained, by the way. Here are a couple of examples of how life is just not that simple:
Besides single-celled organisms and multicellular organisms you can find colonial organisms, where clusters of cells act cooperatively but a single cell can survive on its own if separated.
Besides organisms that reproduce asexually and organisms that reproduce sexually, you can find organisms that exchange genetic information by conjugation.
Sometimes just giving it all to one Creator relieves me of the whole matter…
It's OK not to be curious about every area of human knowledge. It's OK to say, "I don't know how this came to be." Saying, in effect, "Nobody else does either" can—I hope—be blamed on caffeine deprivation.
Ted Powell, you use my kind of reasoning, and I thank you.
Deletefromthediagonal
I remember reading the Mark Twain version on Adam & Eve...here are some extracts:
ReplyDeletehttp://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/mtwain/bl-mtwain-exadam-1.htm
Being a woman, and reading this particular work by Twain, the ending is just so sweet, I cry every time I think about it.
Another version re: Adam & Eve that is wonderful to read from a man's perspective is by Mark Twain:
ReplyDeletehttp://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/mtwain/bl-mtwain-exadam-1.htm
This is only an extract but the ending makes me choke up every time I think of it. So if you get a chance get busy, find this version by Train and read it!
Gles, I remember reading the diaries of Adam and Eve in college, and had the same reaction. Twain "got it" with his essays, in the end our differences don't matter and all that's important is the relationship and complexity of love.
DeleteThere are actually TWO Genesis stories; one in which humans were just made [sometime after the other animals], and the other, more misogynistic one, in which women were made of man-leftovers.
ReplyDeleteSince it's all fairy tales anyway, you can pick the one you like the best.
Once ancient man realized that woman does not create new life entirely from within her body, that the act of delivering sperm into the womb had something to do with it, the veneration of Woman as Goddess, as Creator of Life ended.
ReplyDeleteThe very act of passion and ejaculation which had been sacred to the Goddess and the rhythms of Nature's seasons became focused on the loss of masculine strength upon completion of the sex act.
Woman became the Evil which drew strength from man, Goddess worship was suppressed, and the rise of the Patristic religions began. The old rituals were subverted to establish the masculine superiority and dominance of Man and his God.
To this day we are shackled by this ancient decision to not live in harmony with Woman and Nature. Draw your own conclusions as to the destructiveness of it all.
fromthediagonal
Great Comment! I always love your point of view.
DeleteYes, they've never gotten over that the "weaker" "dumber" gender has been given the keys to creation. They can have all the sperm in the world, but w/o a woman, no next generation. It rankles.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 6:14 am
DeleteAbsof*ckinlutely!
fromthediagonal
Someday, someone is going to realize "in a flash" (aka revelation) that "there's metaphors in that thar' book" and feel just a bit silly....sadly many of those somebodies are fundies (sigh)
ReplyDeleteJesse, I like when you post these types of commentaries. I am hopeful that the response not only educates but peaks(piques) the interest of many people. I am constantly learning the good, bad and ugly of it all. My father used to tell me that if we all thought alike, what a dull world it would be. If he were alive, I wonder what he would say now!
ReplyDeleteI wonder if anyone has read James Michner who wrote "The Source"? I tell you I was fascinated...(it's a thick book but reads quickly).
The biblical stories of Adam and Eve and Mary are similar (no sex). Though I wonder why these two ways of making a human being are so different unless God finally understood how babies are actually gestated.
ReplyDeleteThat pretty much nails it...lol... Except for the fact that in the original (i.e. Sumerian) version of the story, humans were created (out of clay and blood) by the goddess Ninhursag and the god Enki, whose daughter, Ninti, became known as the "Lady of the Rib" because she had healed Enki's painful rib.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in college in one of my Women's Studies courses I learned that in the original book of Genesis that Adam and Eve were created equal. Eve wasn't some foul destroyer of Adam. This was changed after a Pope had a bad experience with a prostitute and insisted on the change and the vilification of women.
ReplyDelete...you mean popes actually have had teh secks with adult women???
DeleteAnon 9:11 - what you learned in college was incorrect. A pope had nothing to do with it. The subjugation of women began long before popes or the church were around.
ReplyDeleteWhich creation myth?
ReplyDeleteGenesis I is not telling the same story as Genesis II. Try to make a timeline of the events of each day as told in Genesis I and then compare that with a timeline made from Genesis II. They do not match. They are, of course both inerrant, but other than that they don't match.
Somewhere,somehow,males discovered their role in creation,realized the newfound knowledge could be used to control and dominate everything and everyone on the planet,and things went downhill from then on.The End.
ReplyDeleteI love Phil Collins! He was the best part of Genesis!
ReplyDelete:-D
DeleteI've always loved the myths contained in the "good book", and this one is my all time favorite, next to, of course, the "Immaculate Conception". So God made man from dust, realized it was a mistake, and made woman out of bone and meat, which explains the attraction. What man doesn't like ribs and meat?
ReplyDeleteWasn't there another story about Eve not being the first woman? Something about a gal called "lillith" who couldn't bear children? Wonder what she was made of? I may be mistaken, it's been ages since I've read the book.
We are simply an alien petri dish.
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