Saturday, October 20, 2012

Preacher speaks out against a bill supporting LGBT rights. Wait, what did he say?

Wait for it.


  1. Oh my hell, he did not EVEN JUST!

    Even without the "oooops, that's my bigotry buzzword for the PRIVATE speeches" blunder, I am absolutely imagining Jesus' poor scarred hands face palming over and over with this guy.

    1. Anonymous11:55 AM

      You did not listen to the end. I know it's hard to hear those awful words, but keep listening. You will be rewarded.

    2. WOW...just WOW! I am African-American...and I approve this message.


    3. Anonymous1:27 PM


    4. Did it not play to the end for me?? Because I too am African American and I did NOT approve that message. I saw him say "segregation" accidentally and then get flustered. The end.

      I just tried playing it again to see if it had stopped prematurely but it just keeps "loading". Lately trying to watch video from blogs on my iPad has been a hassle but I will try to rember to charge my laptop and watch it there.

    5. shughes28538:57 AM

      Hi Nyah - when you get a chance to watch the entire video it's a powerful message and he's saying exactly the opposite of what you think in the beginning.. It's offensive in the beginning but that's what makes the message so shockingly clear at the end!

  2. Anonymous10:13 AM

    Gryph, He's from Missouri and that is not a Southern State.

    1. Oops sorry. That was how it was labeled when I first saw it.

      Fixed now.

    2. Anonymous11:58 AM

      They were factions in Missouri who aligned with the Conferderacy, though.

  3. Great point.

    But I wonder how many people would wait until the end of the speech to figure it out.

    Then there are those that agree with those speeches of the 50s and 60s and still do now, not only for segregation but also for LGBT rights. Womens rights. Any rights aside from their own.

  4. That gave me delicious cold chills.

  5. WakeUpAmerica11:06 AM

    Totally misguided and sanctimonious man.

    1. Anonymous2:16 PM

      wake yourself up and watch it until the end.

      He paralleled the ridiculous arguments FOR segregation and AGAINST Gay rights.

    2. Anonymous11:45 AM

      I've seen you do this multiple times now. Not too bright are we?

      When will you 'wake up', dear?

  6. Persphone11:15 AM

    I'm not sure some of you are getting this. Watch it again - the whole way through!

  7. Balzafiar11:19 AM

    Well, we've heard from the Church Lady.

  8. I'm thinkin' they didn't even "get" it.

    Segregation is good, inn't it??? Huh?? Whut he say?

  9. You have to make it all the way til the end, people.

  10. Anonymous11:30 AM

    you may want to explain to your audience what the GOOD reverend did here (He showed the people that the same illegitimate fear-mongering arguments used against segregation are being used against civil rights today. Repeating them against a new target doesn’t make them any less WRONG.)
    Listen again.

    1. I did not realize we were called libruls back then, also too!

    2. Anonymous11:51 AM

      He shouldn't have to though! I mean, how slow are these people? I think G man gets a little impatient with his readers at times for whom his humour continually goes WHOOOM!!! above their delicate little airheads. I mean, c'mon guys, we're libs! We are supposed to be the smart, funny ones that don't NEED things slowly explained to us with crude crayon drawings and helpful arrows to try and help us glean 'the point'. Sorry, I just felt like weeping when I read all the comments here. Major, major face palm. I bet these guys don't get Colbert either!

  11. eclecticsandra11:38 AM

    It went right over many heads. Come on, people. Listen all the way through.

  12. Anonymous11:52 AM

    While technically not a Southern State, Missouri was full of Southern sympathizers. MO also produced the most notorious of the Confederate guerrillas of the day, William Quantrill, "Bloody Bill" Anderson, the James brothers Frank and Jesse, and the Younger brothers.

  13. Anonymous12:03 PM

    What is happening to the concentration and comprehension of Americans? Please listen folks. Too subtle for you?

    1. Anonymous11:53 AM

      Aye, MUCH agreement! I weep for humanity on reading threads like this one. Apparently only a few of us 'got' it. *Heavy sigh*

  14. Anonymous12:22 PM

    Obama's odds drop a full 1% in an hour at intrade. The move is on.

    1. Anonymous3:06 PM

      so what?

  15. It's really crazy to see comments about 'Southern States' going back to Whatever Age or they don't belong to them (technically). They don't seem to get the point.

    Then there's a moron (in these comments) who claims that it was: a "Totally misguided and sanctimonious man." (WakeUpAmerica 11:06 AM).

    Either the commenter didn't have the patience to watch the whole thing or, that's more likely, doesn't understand and thus won't agree. If a preacher, union worker or community stands up for people that count, beautiful things can happen.

    1. Anonymous11:56 AM

      Wake Up America is King/Queen Trog on this blog. Everything goes over their head; it's best to pat it and ignore it.

  16. Anonymous1:59 PM

    Wow...what a way to turn the tables and force those people who agreed with the first part of his comments to take a good hard look at themselves.

    Those excuses were wrong back then and they're still wrong now, regardless of the minority group being discriminated against.

    I almost turned it off partway through and I'm glad I didn't miss the surprise twist at the end!

  17. Anonymous2:25 PM

    Problem is many christofascists still believe segregation is approved by "the word of god" funneled to them through uneducated insecure racist self-appointed church dominators.

  18. Anonymous4:23 PM

    Wow- do you think the rest of the folks in the room caught that? I thought he did that very well, but he seemed to have left a few of the mouth breathers behind.

    1. Anonymous11:58 AM

      Many mouthies here on this blog got left at the starting line!

  19. Boscoe5:36 PM

    LOL That was pure awesome...

  20. physicsmom6:19 PM

    I wonder if this guy is really a preacher. If so, even more props to him. It is rare that so-called Christians are willing to stand up for LGBT rights. Bravo!

  21. shughes28536:49 PM

    That was awesome and well worth the wait. His words hung in the air and the shock value drove it home....

    Off subject for a minute - what's with the "sarah's scandals" link? Blade is using her blog to beg for money all the time and I rarely visit her site anymore - it's awkward.

    She comes up with a new emergency every few weeks and uses health problems, car problems, poor husband needs tests and no money to visit family over the holidays, etc.etc. It's offensive that she uses the blog to keep asking for money and she reminds me of that relative that's always in a jam with a sad story that makes everyone around her squirm.

    I did consider sending her money a few times but something just bugged me about it so I didn't - and I'm a compassionate person with a heart. I help others whenever I can but it's become a pattern and she rarely invests any time in anything but her financial problems on that blog.

    The part that really pisses me off is the difference between Gryphen's blog and his commitment day after day - bringing all of us the truth, the drama and the insanity of the past 4 years - since the palin curse began. I've been following him everyday - sometimes several times a day.

    And I was there reading his blog when the skank's attorney threatened him and the times his character has been assasinated for telling the truth, the awful things the wasillabillies have said about him publicly, the pressure on others to not associate with him and I can't even imagine some of the bullshit he's been put through - but he never backed down.

    If Blade wants people to give her money, she should do a little work for it - dedicate herself to others in the pursuit of the truth no matter what - like Gryphen does.

    And guess what? I've never heard a peep out of Gryphen for one dollar. But you can bet I will be sending HIM my donation as soon as I hit the send button on this rant - it just pisses me off that Blade is doing that.

    1. WHEW...I thought I was the only one who thought that about Blade, shughes!

      You're not the only one who is concerned...her post has been up for 6 hours and she has one comment which is not...uh...very supportive. Curious to see how long her blog will be around now that she will see that folks are a little disturbed by her constant "troubles".

      Another curious thing...didn't she help Shailey with her book? Something smells and for once it's not Baldy's dead corpse smelling body odor or breath!

    2. I have commented many times to Blade offering her practical solutions to her money woes and I have never received a reply or word that she tried any of my suggestions.

      I too veer toward EXTREME compassion. I have sent Gryphen a donation, I've donated to Anchorage and Houston special Olympics in Gryphen & Trig's honor (was hoping for a certificate saying so because I thought it would really burn Sarah's butt, but instead I got a magnet this time) and I really DO want to "honor" Gryphen because for all the times we disagree (at least weekly, usually daily) I respect the sheer amount of WORK which goes into this community. IM is a part of my every weekday after work during my unwind time and I absolutely adore many of the regulars here. I give Gryphen major snaps for the WILLINGNESS to put so much into this blog even though he has a "real job" and God knows he could do without the hassle from Palin & her rabid lemming followers.

      My point is- I understand Blade has issues. Her husband has eye troubles, she sees an oncologist for. . .something, I'm not exactly sure what. But being that she has said she doesn't work outside the home, I too feel like she would be less offensive with the literally constant money begging if there was some content on the blog. She used to have GREAT insights and articles. But now the only recent "content" was a copied/pasted email from Kristy Patullo, added as an afterthought below the plea for money.

      I do have to admit- I was EXTREMELY put off by the recent issue with the car. She claimed they couldn't go to doctor appointments because the broken piece could fly off and hit someone. So you know what you do, then? Rip the plastic bumper the rest of the way off and say "thank God I have an ugly car that takes me from point A to point Doctor Visit".

      I am torn about even posting this comment- but then I think today put me over the top with my frustration. If your son gives you a $500 gift card- yes it's NICE to get your husband a new lathe but wouldn't it be more appropriate to trade it for a Walmart card or 75% of the cash value? If as she says they are literally struggling for every meal and every drop of gas, I can't imagine why she thought $500 would be best spent on a lathe for making more pens. Obviously those pens do not support them or she would not have every single blog post of the last however many months asking for money because of "emergencies".

      Therefore, it seems to me spending five hundred dollars (the amount of the deductible to fix the car if I'm not mistaken) on a piece of equipment for more pens instead of using it for legitimate needs is very, very faulty logic indeed.

      I realize she wants to do something nice for her husband's birthday- so trade the $500 office supply gift card for a $300 Walmart card and $100 restaurant card and take him to dinner.

      I feel like a judgmental asshole, truly. But I feel Blade has a huge opportunity being Shailey's cowriter to have people listen to her and consider her often outside the box and detailed theories surrounding Trig/Tripp issues. But I think she has probably driven away most everyone with the pleas for money.

      She's saying she needs $500 because the "accidental" charge is going to go through on her debit card and leave them overdrawn. I suggested she call and report the card lost thereby immediately halting all pending transactions.

      I did not receive a reply.

      I don't want to be a hundred percent bitch, so I will say this- if she could start doing blog posts like she used to, and bring up the medical forms indicating Sarah was NOT pregnant, I think she could earn readers back. And there's nothing wrong with selling her husband's handmade pens from a link at the blog, either. Those pens really ARE works of art, truth be told.

    3. Anita Winecooler9:18 PM

      Nyah, I stopped following her blog awhile ago, I did give her some advice recently and bought one of the pens that hold Cross refills, and it's truly a work of art. I wish she found a way to market them to a wider audience.
      I share your frustration,I don't know everything she's dealing with, but she's overwhelmed and making some mistakes with money. If she's seeing an oncologist, maybe she's got "chemo brain" (It's a legitimate side effect, I had chemo years ago and it took a long time to adapt). Blogging should be the last thing on her plate. I wish she'd start offering quality posts to soften the constant begging.

  22. Anita Winecooler9:22 PM

    I loved the clip! I clicked the link and watched some of the other "upright Christian citizen folk", and then his came up. People applauded, and one of the politicians admonished the crowd against outbusts- God forbid it starts looking like a circus!

  23. Thanks for the vid. I listened pretty attentively and caught at the beginning when he attributed the quote to "a pastor", IIRC. I had a feeling there were some nuggets in there and was pleased to hear exactly what his point was at the end.

    If you are interested in learning more about how "Christian White Folk" in the South used the Bible as a weapon in the fight against desegregation, put this link in your bookmarks. It's a treasure trove of newspaper clippings aggregated from leading daily newspapers across the south starting right after the Brown V Board of Education Decision by the US Supreme Court in 1954. The clippings were compiled by the (White) Citizen's Councils, an advocacy group infamous in trying to maintain the "Southern Way" of life.

    The archive is not all that user-friendly, to be honest, and it is almost impossible to access and read the articles on a smart phone because of the layout and the size of the font required. But if you have any interest in race relations or Civil Rights in our country from 1955-1970, you'll be blown away by all of the information available about our recent past that no one talks about and most people never learn.

    It happens that this organization was founded in Mississippi where I grew up, but much of this occurred before I was born and am just now becoming familiar with as an adult. In many ways, there is a lot of shame associated with that segment of history, but I feel that I've learned so much about where we were at those times in the South and the decisions set the trail to where we are today, so it's meaningful. There are some articles which are more or less propaganda from the powers-that-be at the time as well as some straight news reporting. But the point of view it is written from is the White Southerner, who was often ignorant about the ins-and-outs of the politics of the day, but very concerned about societal changes beginning to occur.

    I'm not advocating any of the views expressed in these articles by any means, but it does give a historical perspective to the racial sensitivities (or IN-sensitivities) of the times. It seemed rather harsh things were printed in those days compared to the coded language that has been substituted today, but there were code words used then as you likely know if you've ever read old clippings like these.

    Anyway, it's just a part of my past as a white southern man that I was insulated from to some degree, and that I am still researching and trying to absorb to benefit from then lessons of this history as it actually occurred.

    I thought of this as I listened to the speaker in the video telling of the pastor referring to "the Bible's view on Segregation". Many of the editorial writings included in the archive are from prominent preachers and religious leaders of the days in which Jim Crow laws were the rule, not the exception, so of course they sided with the position of "white rule".

    I'm fascinated with the "untold history" of the archive, and the lessons that IMO are applicable today. Whether you're white or black or anywhere in-between or other; old or young, Southerner or Northerner, whatever... there's a lot of history available here--- by far, more than you can read in just a few days, but every time I begin reading another of the quarterly editions, I end up spending several hours in the mindset of the people who were dealing with these issues from the white perspective during those times. I began my history of the 50's and 60's with reading from the works of MLK and Malcolm X and many other leaders working for civil rights. Being able to understand the thoughts and ideology of those groups that opposed the Civil Rights campaigns has brought so much of this to life for me, I felt I wanted to share with others here.


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