Monday, October 22, 2012

The very last Presidential debate open thread. Update!

Well we already KNOW who Fox News will declare the winner, don't we?
Okay tonight's focus is on foreign policy, a topic that should afford President Obama a considerable amount of fire power for his side of the debate. After all he is the man who ended the Iraq war and brought Osama Bin Laden to justice.

Of course Romney will undoubtedly bring up the confusion about the Benghazi attack, which if you read this LA Times article is an argument that should not hold any water:

The assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi last month appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation, and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya. 

Republicans have zeroed in on possible Al Qaeda ties to the Sept. 11 attack that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, and have criticized the Obama administration for not saying early on that it was an act of terrorism. But after five weeks of investigation, U.S. intelligence agencies say they have found no evidence of Al Qaeda participation.

Of course this will not placate the Fox News crowd and Romney will be tailoring his message to speak directly to them tonight in order to get out his base. Facts would only confuse them anyhow.

I have also heard pundits discuss the possibility that Romney will try to turn the conversation toward the economy which, for reasons that continue to  puzzle me, he is currently polling well ahead of the President.

I anticipate a rather aggressive debate tonight, as there is a LOT on the line and I think very few punches will be pulled. However if I were giving Romney advice I would tell him that he needs to work at not coming off as a complete asshole this time.

Yeah good luck with that!

Once again I will be tweeting my impressions during the exchange, which you can follow here, and updating the comments here on IM all through the evening.

So grab your favorite beverage, pop that tub of popcorn, and let's see if tonight's debate will finally be the battle that demolishes Mitt Romney's chances of ever fulfilling Joseph Smith's White Horse Prophecy.

Update: Even though debate is still going on Poltico has an evolving transcript

79 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:21 PM

    I heard yesterday on NPR that gas prices are on their way down along with unemployment. I'd love to see Romney bring up the economy.

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    1. Anonymous6:58 PM

      Factcheck: Romney "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt?" http://bit.ly/WEYmno #debate

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    2. Anonymous7:02 PM

      80 Years of Planning: The#Kochs + The#Family + #Birchers = No#Democracy - http://bit.ly/WfUdGf

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  2. Caroll Thompson4:29 PM

    I sent my ballot in by mail today. I voted an all D ticket with the exception of Angus King (I) for Senate (I live in Maine - go Angus). I also voted Yes on 1, which will allow gays to marry in the State of Maine. Polls say that Yes on 1 will win hands down this time.

    But I am worried about this election; very worried. I think it might come down to who goes to the polls. So, I would like to suggest that everyone ask all the young folks and others who might not be going to the polls to go to the polls and vote. Everyone's vote matters.

    President Obama has been the best President of my lifetime and we have to give him another term. And let's all vote D on the down ballot races.

    God help us all if Romney and Company win this election.

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    1. Anonymous5:37 PM

      I agree. I watched about 25 minutes of the "debate" and could not watch Rmoney dominate the segments, with no interruption from Schieffer. He is such an asshole, smirking the entire time. He is like a kid that wants to show you how much he knows, stumbling all over himself. God help us if he gets into the WH.President Obama should forget he is a gentleman (Rmoney certainly is not one) and cut this bastard off at the knees.

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    2. Anonymous7:18 PM

      And his condescending "EXCUSE ME"! to POTUS and mod I wanted to slap that smirk off his lyin' face!

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  3. Anonymous4:30 PM

    MIIT LIES:

    2 minutes of his most severe flip-flaps; such drastic whiplash you wonder how his neck doesn't snap off his head!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTZ_q46eSP0&feature=player_embedded

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  4. Balzafiar4:44 PM

    Gryphen, last word is that Mitt's plan this evening is to be less combative, more formal and business-like in an attempt to appear more presidential to undecided voters. That word was put out at a press conference several hours ago by a man involved in Romney's debate prep.

    We shall see...

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  5. Anonymous4:52 PM

    i've had a bad case of the jitters, then i read P M CARPENTER's piece: 538's latest 270+

    FiveThirtyEight's latest "now cast" shows Obama holding positive statistical territory in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

    "Obama," notes Silver, "could win the Electoral College by winning Ohio, Wisconsin, and either Iowa or Nevada."

    Silver adds that Obama's improved performance in the last debate seems not to have helped him much, which is no surprise, really, since political negatives possess greater staying power in the electorate's mind than positives--unless of course you're a slithering, right-wing serpent from Hell who lies so eccentrically that voters mistake your breathtaking mendacity for rediscovered passion.

    However as Silver also suggests, polling stability at this point spells doom for Romney. He trails too consistently in too many swing states.


    http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/

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  6. fromthediagonal5:12 PM

    I don't know, and I am not watching the debate in order to avoid nightmares.
    I shall watch it tomorrow morning, so that there will be a whole day to absorb the content.
    Florida's then "hanging chads" fiasco is still burned into my mind, and knowing that Mr. Taggart Romney has a controlling interest in the Ohio voting system is causing me sleeplessness.
    The closer the election, the more easily manipulated the outcome.
    We need international observers, and lots of them!

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  7. Anonymous5:12 PM

    Holy Shit!!

    The very 1st question out of the gate was about libya and Romney's answer was so like something Sarah Palin would say that it was scary. He gave a rambling answer that had NOTHING to do with the question. It was bumbling and all over the place.

    Obama's was measured and precise. Now Romney's follow-up is the same mish-mash Palin-speak...

    Obama just nailed him on his flip-flops...

    Boo-yah!!

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    1. Anonymous5:24 PM

      And Romney is still spouting word salad!

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  8. Anonymous5:15 PM

    YES! O just NAILED his flip-flap ass to the wall...

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  9. Romney lies, Obama slams him for being wishy washy.

    Loving it so far!

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  10. Quote of the debate so far, from (of course) Obama, re: RUSSIA being our biggest geopolitical threat: "The 1980's called. They want their foreign policy back."

    Oh, this is going to be good...

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  11. Anonymous5:17 PM



    Will Romney bring up his vast experience in 'FOREIGN RELATIONS' on his trip a few months ago where he insulted the people and their country everywhere he went and managed to continue insulting foreigners here at home after he returned.

    Don't forget that his son owns the voting machines in the major states that control the election (bought through Bains, the company he founded that he can't remember when he left the company so he did it RETROACTIVELY!) and..... last but not least he is OUTSOURCING JOBS the day before the elections.



    On the day before an election that's supposed to hinge on jobs, taxes and the middle class, Bain Capital, the company Mitt Romney founded, will close the doors of a factory in Freeport, Illinois, and ship 170 good, high-tech jobs to China.
    The employees of Sensata Technologies were forced to train their Chinese replacements, and the American flag that long flew over the factory was reportedly removed while the Chinese engineers were visiting the site. A group of workers have set up camp across from the factory -- calling it “Bainport” -- and some supporters have tried to block the trucks hauling equipment out of the plant. According to Dave Johnson, there have been several arrests.
    Sensata workers have asked to meet with Mitt Romney and hoped to enlist his help keeping their jobs in the United States, but he has refused, instead remaining on the campaign trail where he speaks often about “getting tough” with China.

    A WHOLE LOT MORE HERE>>>
    http://truth-out.org/news/item/12151-romneys-bain-capital-is-sending-many-jobs-to-china-the-day-before-the-election
    .................................................

    Will Mitt Romney Denounce This Despicable Image His Relative Posted?

    This is sick, feeble, disgusting imagery intended to drip the blood of a dead United States ambassador all over President Obama. Can you imagine the outrage if we started creating photo montages of dead 9-11 victims or dead soldiers and overlaid them with the words "Bush killed them"?

    Mitt Romney should immediately denounce this image and any like it. He should apologize for continuing to use the tragic deaths of Americans in Libya as a political wedge. And he should get a clue about the damage this does not only to us as Americans, but also to Americans abroad.

    If you want to see it, read Josh Marshall's post >>>(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/10/staying_classy_1.php?ref=fpblg). Be warned: It's graphic, full of gratuitious violent images, and utterly beyond decency.

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/will-mitt-romney-denounce-despicable-image-


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  12. Anonymous5:21 PM

    http://twitter.com/search?q=%23AdmitItMitt

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  13. Anonymous5:23 PM

    MITT is like someone who has just memorized names and countries but has no clue what the issues are: a hyper-scripted asshole is still full of shit!

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  14. Anonymous5:23 PM

    Oh My God~! this debate has just sarted and already I want to hire old chucky heath to pop that lieing Mormon in the lieing mouth..

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    1. Anonymous5:42 PM

      I was prepared to watch, but Rmoney is butting in, talking over and just being his usual asshole self. What a truly disgusting person he is, with his self satisfied smirk. We need Martha Raddatz back, Schieffer is letting Rmoney dominate again.

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  15. Romney started out talking fast & furious, exactly like a guy who crammed for a test, anxious to get it all out before he forgets.

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    1. Anonymous6:01 PM

      Perfect description!!

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    2. Anonymous6:35 PM

      Romney memorizes.

      Obama understands.

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  16. Anonymous5:26 PM

    http://twitter.com/BenLaBolt/with_replies

    http://twitter.com/TruthTeam2012

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  17. Anonymous5:27 PM

    Romney is soo out of his element that it is almost painful to watch.

    He can't seem to decide whether he wants to agree with the President's policies or slam them. And here it comes...Romney tries to steer the talk to the economy...

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    1. Anonymous5:59 PM

      My 13 y o military equipment fascinated sonjust came in to tell me Obama schooled Rmoney, "We have these things called aircraft carriers"

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  18. Balzafiar is right, MITT was told to be amiable after coming across as such a bully the last time.

    oh and O is just smiling at his lying ass...

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  19. Anonymous5:31 PM

    I have watched about 4 minutes of debate. I cannot abide either the sight or sound of Mitt Romney. If he doesn't sock President Obama in the nose, the pundits will be praising him all over tomorrow for his leadership mien. Frankly, President Obama both looks and sounds presidential and I prefer his experience.
    Obama/Biden/Democratic Congress 2012
    PS I'd better get back to the television. We have guests watching. It's just hard for my blood pressure.
    Beaglemom

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  20. Anonymous5:32 PM

    Romney repeats the same talking points over & over again proving that he can memorize with the best of them.

    I really hate Romney's smirk...

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    1. lwtjb9:20 PM

      So what is it about that smirk? The W had it too, as well as a whole raft of other right wing ideologues. Makes me want to punch them in the nose and I am not a violent person.

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  21. Anonymous5:34 PM

    Why is Romney allowed to keep talking?Shut him up!!! He is so full of just plain BS...talks of building up amertican economy, yet he is the reason more jobs are sent overseas.How is he going to create 12,000,000 new jobs/Bring those he sent away home?

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  22. Anonymous5:35 PM

    I thought this debate was supposed to be about foreign policy???

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    1. Anonymous5:56 PM

      Maybe Mitt thought Massachusetts was a foreign country when he was governor there!
      Beaglemom

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  23. Anonymous5:40 PM

    I wish someone would put a sock in Romneys mouth....

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  24. Anita Winecooler5:40 PM

    I LOVE watching President Obama's face while Romnesia tosses out his memorized talking points (aka Lies).

    Oh Noes! He just brought up "tensions with Israel" and "Missteps with Poland" when asked how we stand in the world. bwaaaaahhaaa! Go get him, Mr. President!

    I LOVE watching Romney blink as his clock gets cleaned!

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  25. oh that was a BOMB: "We also have less horses and bayonets."

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  26. HOH, new burn-of-the-night to beat out "the 1980's called"...

    Obama (paraphrasing): "You say we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. You don't seem to know how the military works. We also have fewer horses and bayonets...we have these things called aircraft carriers that planes land on...we have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines...the military is not a game of Battleship where we count ships."

    love it.

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  27. Obama answers charge that we have smaller Navy than in 1916. "We also have fewer horses and bayonets. We are not playing a game of Battleship."

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    1. "Obama answers charge that we have smaller Navy than in 1916. 'We also have fewer horses and bayonets. We are not playing a game of Battleship.'"

      Bingo.

      This clearly shows that Romney has invested his time in debate prep memorizing some talking points, while the President has been thinking about problems and opportunities and doing a real job making hard but thoughtful decisions about our country's present and future not just the past 2 weeks but for 4 years on the job.

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  28. Anonymous5:51 PM

    Barack Obama to win the third Presidential debate (according to CNN poll)

    91.5%

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  29. Anonymous5:54 PM

    Seriously??? He pulled the "apology tour" bullshit??

    Yep...I smell desperation...

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    1. No, you had it right the first time. What we smell here is the bullshit "apology tour" lines from the Romney campaign as echoed throughout the RW Nutter Blogosphere.

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  30. Anonymous5:54 PM

    Mitt needs to wipe that stupid smirk off his face. Why does it look like Romney is suffering from hemmorrhoids?

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    1. Anonymous6:38 PM

      I've always thought it looked more like constipation.

      On second thought, we could both be right!

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    2. Anonymous6:54 PM

      He has always had that hemmorrhoid look...my guess is that he really has them!

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    3. That is exactly what I thought he looks constipated. Actually he looks like a sloth that goes to the bottom of the tree to do his business..

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  31. wow, O's dignity just exposed MITT's slimy soul.

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  32. Romney's rigid smile reminds me of how our dearly departed look in the coffin -- when the deceased's lips are stitched together to save us all from examining expired tonsils.

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  33. this one BURN:

    "When I went to Israel as a candidate, I didn't take donors. I didn't attend fundraisers."

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  34. Anonymous6:12 PM

    Romney = blink, blink, blink. Gulp! Repeat.

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  35. CNN is saying the obvious: O wins the debate!

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  36. Anonymous6:17 PM

    Obama sounds like an experiencesd diplomat.
    Mittens sounds like he's trying to prove his ability to regurgitate all the foreign policy facts that he learned in the last few weeks while cramming for the "Debate" section of his SAT test.

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  37. ANDREW SULLIVAN:

    10.04 pm. So far, Obama is wiping the floor with him on substance, and Romney has basically fled neoconservatism as quickly as he would a liquor store.

    Romney is now endorsing Obama's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Let me put this as best I can: I don't believe this current series of total reversals would last a micro-second after his possible inauguration.

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  38. Anonymous6:21 PM

    Oh PLEASE bring up mitt's Delphi dealings and the TARP money extortion and his outsourcing of all those jobs to China! Please!

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  39. Clinton is going to love that "moderate Mitt" showed up to this debate.

    Where you been boy?

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  40. mitt is SLIME, a MAGGOT, a HEMORRHOID on the ass of the GOP: i hope this is the last i hear him; it hurts me to be exposed to this hollow and repugnant asshole.

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  41. Anonymous6:36 PM

    Binders and binders of teachers "that I love," but do not support. Romney needs to go down.

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  42. Anonymous6:38 PM

    YOU MUST CHECK THE ROMNEY GRANDSON TRYING TO GET TO OBAMA AND THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP HIM FROM HIM!!!! IT'S PRICELESS!!

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    1. Anonymous8:00 PM

      I saw that too!!! As usual, kids are just drawn to our POTUS, and it was no different for Mitten's g-kids. Obama actually spent more time talking to the Romney KIDS than the adults and they were fascinated by him.

      Then there was the frantic hand-off...LOL

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    2. Anonymous2:41 AM

      Mittens PICKED THE CHILD UP!

      (probably thee only manual labor he has done in years)


      And did you watch Michele?
      She was polite, but you can tell she is DISGUSTED with these cretans.

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  43. Anonymous6:39 PM

    Even the Romney children are in awe of the President!

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  44. Anonymous6:44 PM

    LOf'ingL!
    Watching the post-debate family gathering on stage. Obama met and spoke with mitt's 4 yo grandson and clearly charmed him Ann Romney holds him awhile, passes him to Grandpai Mitt, then kid reached back over to Obama, wanting to be held by him. An Aide QUICKLY takes him out o mitt's arms and ushers him offstage. LOVE the pure hearts of babes!

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    1. Anita Winecooler8:08 PM

      I caught that, too!

      Two Adults in the room left their kids at home (school night, you know). And graciously made the effort to approach the losers.

      The Romney's needed their progeny as human shields - then the smart one went rogue!

      How nice of Ann to match the color of her dress to her money. Tres Chic!

      Mrs Obama radiated class and elegance, as usual.

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  45. SULLY nails it:

    ...this was Obama's debate; and he reminded me again of how extraordinarily lucky this country has been to have had him at the helm in this new millennium.

    He's flawed; he's made mistakes; but who hasn't? If this man, in these times, with this record, against this opposition, does not deserve re-election, then I am simply at a loss for words. I have to believe the American people will see that in time.

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  46. If you want just a glimpse of desperation in action through lies and propaganda, take a peek at fox.nation. I didn't watch any of the videos, I just wanted to see the topics they focused on.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/

    Every single one is completely partisan and slanted on the whole goddam page. They're not even trying to give the illusion of being an impartial news source. Two more weeks, folks. I knew it was going to be ugly, but actually wading thru this bullshit is even worse than thinking about it 3 months ago.

    I'm proud of our President for not doing as I might have done if I had to listen to the smirking, lying Flip-Flopper and punching that cocksucker right in the throat, as directed by Romney's potential Secretary of State, Sarah Palin.

    Don't stay on Fox Nation more than a minute or you migt need a barf bag handy, because it is foul over there. Nuff said.

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  47. Anonymous7:35 PM

    I was serving on our school board in Massachusetts when Mitt Romney took over and decimated public education funding in his first month. We are still reeling, nearly eight years later. He doesn't love teachers, students, or schools that aren't private or charters. And the #1 status of our students, as the President pointed out, were the culmination of ten years of policy before Mitt came to town. What a four-flusher.

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  48. Anonymous7:35 PM

    Online Instant Polls - CNBC, CNN, Yahoo, Fox, etc.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/22/1148545/-Freep-Away-Online-Instant-Polls-Vote-One-Vote-All-Will-Update-w-Links

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  49. Anonymous7:41 PM

    WOW! FOX?

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22/vote-who-won-the-third-presidential-debate/

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    1. WTF?

      Obama winning post debate poll at Fox News Insider 60%-40%. Somebody let Krusty know we need to get her in there and vote until we get those numbers fixed to favor Milt. We can't have them thinking that Obama won. I don't want to listen to the whining for 2 more weeks from the butt-hurt baggers. Let em think they have it in the bag and we'll vote on Nov 6th.

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  50. Anita Winecooler7:56 PM

    I loved the ending. The President and First Lady embraced, looked each other in the eyes, walked over as Romney and Ann did their "practice" kiss, then welcomed the barrage known as "Romney's Family Shield". The President exchanged words with a few members, then went to Taggert Romney, put his hand on his shoulder and shook his hand while exchanging polite banter.

    Obama and Michelle pivot to the audience to Shake Hands, Mitt stops what he's doing and makes a bee line to the edge of the stage to do the same. Ann is standing with a human shield in her arms, while the other human shields pad around the stage like chickens pecking for gravel.

    Congratulations, President Obama, YOU defended the auto bailout, the stimulus, workers, teachers, veterans and the steel workers (Smart, Very Well Played in swing states).

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    1. Yep, in the grand scheme, President knew he was talking to voters mainly in OH, PA, MI, WI and maybe IA. I think he sealed the deal and stayed pretty focused on the big picture.

      THis is one I wish that had gone for another hour to see if Obama would kick Mitt in the nuts about the budget stuff to make a hard play for seniors in FL, but tough to work in while discussing matters of FP.

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  51. Anita Winecooler8:03 PM

    LMAO!!!

    "Chris Wallace: You'd have Thought Mitt Romney was The Commander in Chief"

    You know President Obama won the debate when Fox goes completely haywire.

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  52. Anonymous8:08 PM

    http://twitter.com/ppppolls

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-wins-debate-by-11-points-in-swing-states.html

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  53. Anonymous8:11 PM

    OMG! He goes there with Sarah

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tears-into-fox-news-for-not-optimal-gate-offers-diagnosis-baracktose-intolerance/

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  54. Anonymous8:44 PM

    It sounds like some focus group members at MSNBC swung for Mitt posturing he is Obama on foreign policy. Hopefully a majority of undecideds will fact check lying manipulative Mitt.

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  55. Anonymous8:49 PM

    She may as well have been describing Mitt in the first debate...or talk about PROJECTION!

    Palin To Hannity: ‘So Many Untruths Spewed By Obama … Romney Just Didn’t Have Time To Answer Them All

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/palin-to-hannity-so-many-untruths-spewed-by-obama-romney-just-didnt-have-time-to-answer-them-all/

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  56. Anita Winecooler9:13 PM

    The spin cycle has begun - Romney surrogates "explain" Mitt's comments, you know, because we're just stupid.

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/foreign-policy-debate-obama-romney-boca-raton-third-debate.php?ref=fpb

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  57. Anonymous4:06 AM

    And what was with repealing Obamacare on his first day in office? As if he could?
    Beaglemom

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