Morality is not determined by the church you attend nor the faith you embrace. It is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey
I think the first map might be a bit outdated as gay marriage is recognized and legal in the state of Maryland (and possibly DC). However it's still a heartbreaking reminder of how far we still need to come as a country.
'Murika! Gimme mah gun so I (ellie mae bobby jean) ken maurry mah cuzin (bobby joe jim bob) down dare near da hollar. Weez may hafta shoot sum squirrels for the dinner I'm fixin ta make.
With the Supreme Court set to hear arguments on Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban in California, the Morning Joe panel tackled the issue of marriage and how the tide of public opinion has evolved. The discussion found a near consensus when it came to the “lightning pace” of change on the issue — with Nicolle Wallace, former communications chief for George W. Bush, asserting that even the youngest, “most devoted” conservatives find it to be an “equal rights issue.”
Hey Hey Hey!!! Don't paint with such a wide brush. You certainly aren't referring to my family. We're all docs, attys, Bond Brokers, MBAs, all of us. And none of us want to marry a cousin. Maybe lie on the sofa and make out a little with a couple of em, but that's about all we can get away with. But them gals sure don't visit nearly as often as my brother and I would like. If they'd come to town to visit more often, it might keep both of us from getting ole Bessie to back up to a stump out in the pasture for us. Just saying'.
I am stunned looking at that 1st cousin map...talk about dragging knuckles. It is hard to believe young people that decide to stay and raise families in states like this. It matches anti education, healthcare, abortion....on and on, the rest of the country moves forward and they continue to go backwards. Simply amazing in 2013.
After listening to Daniel's letter (he wrote to Justice Roberts about his 2 dads) I watched all the other videos about their family. Jay and Brian are such outstanding examples of what good parenting looks like, to deny those adoptable kids a family where marriage recognizes them with all their legal rights is immoral. There is simply no rational reason to deny the LGBT community any longer. For my money Daniel and his sister Selena are very lucky to grow up with 2 such loving parents, just so happens they are both men.
Maybe the problem with all of those southern red states is that there's been so much intermarriage (cousins marrying cousins). Instead of being annoyed with them we should just pity them. Beaglemom
I am from AL. My great grandparents were double first cousins (brother and sister marrying their first cousins who were brother and sister). My mother's first cousin married his second cousin. His son married his third cousin. My sister married her first cousin (in TX - way before the ban in 2005). All of the children and grandchildren of these marriages are college graduates, and have successful careers and marriages of their own. I don't recommend marrying cousins simply because it is difficult to explain how everyone is related. For instance, my sister's aunt was her mother-in-law and her children's grandmother and great-aunt. So you can see that cousin marriage doesn't really fit into our country's penchant for explaining relationships. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it. (I didn't marry anyone related to me - full disclosure.) Way back, marrying cousins was a way to keep land and money within one extended family in the southern US. That way, "them damn yankees" wouldn't get it. Bwahahahahah.
Here is some interesting info: "US prohibitions on cousin marriage date to the Civil War and its immediate aftermath. The first ban was enacted by Kansas in 1858, with Nevada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Wyoming following suit in the 1860s. Subsequently, the rate of increase in the number of laws was nearly constant until the mid-1920s; only Kentucky (1946), Maine (1985), and Texas (2005) have since banned cousins from marrying." - plosbiology.org
Hey man, if it's good enough for royalty it should be good enough for the common folk too!
However, it only works out okay for a few generations, then the DNA starts to get a little "tired" and all sorts of recessive traits and health problems can begin to surface. The offspring of first cousins is no more at risk for genetic defect than is the offspring of totally non-related people.
Marrying to keep property in the family demonstrates what marriage has been historically. To keep or accrue property. The Supreme Court should consider the history of marriage in making their decision.
Marrying your cousin isn't legal in MA. It's actually one the stipulations for not being able to marry someone. You also can't marry someone who was a step parent.
"But Deron Smith, director of public relations for the Boy Scouts of America, tells Mother Jones that since the survey didn't include any specific questions about the ban, and only nine percent of respondents brought it up in an open-ended question about why they would or wouldn't recommend the Boy Scouts, "it is insufficient to accurately predict the beliefs of our membership as a whole." "
The same state of denial logic applies to the questions the survey didn't ask about the Official BSA Boy Scout Perversion Files. Just change a couple of words to see how this might work.
"Deron Smith, director of public relations for the Boy Scouts of America, tells Mother Jones that since the survey didn't include any specific questions about the Official BSA Perversion Files (official trademark of the BSA- used with permission), and the crimes and perverts that the files helped cover up, and only nine percent of respondents brought it up in an open-ended question about why they would or wouldn't recommend the Boy Scouts, "it is insufficient to accurately predict the beliefs of our membership as a whole."
Because maybe the 'disloyal customers' haven't heard about the perverts and all the binders full of them at BSA headquarters. Maybe they don't read the LA Times either. Or use the internetz. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/wisconsin-physician-surrenders-license-in-boy-scout-molestation-case.html
"A prominent Wisconsin pediatrician who admitted molesting two boys while serving as a Boy Scout camp doctor in the 1980s voluntarily gave up his medical license Tuesday after additional complaints of abuse surfaced.
Thomas Kowalski, 75, was the target of an investigation by the state’s medical examining board after The Times reported in September that he had been expelled from the Boy Scouts in 1987 after he admitted he masturbated while fondling two teenage boys in his care.
The parents declined to press charges, and Scouting officials used their connections with the publisher of a Milwaukee paper to keep the story out of the press, Scouting records show. Kowalski, identified in confidential Scouting files as an author of state child abuse laws, admitted the allegations in an interview with The Times. He continued to work with children behind closed doors until his retirement in 2001."
Marrying a cousin? That's stupid. I've got about 6 that are just gorgeous, but I don't want to marry any of em. But let em try sleeping without locking their bedroom door, and BOOM! I tell ya, I'm all over that booty! Just like when we were in junior high.
As I am in Maryland, it is legal here. What is up with graphic?
ReplyDeleteG, just a note to let you know that as of January 1, 2013, gay marriage is legal in Maine. This was by citizen's referendum in November, 2012.
ReplyDeleteCome to Maine to get married folks and take a vacation in 'Vacationland' (that is what our license plate says) while you are here.
It was SHOCKED when Iowa legalized gay marriage. I'm mean, it's....IOWA.
ReplyDeleteHey, don't leave Maine out! We'll marry you here.
ReplyDeleteI think the first map might be a bit outdated as gay marriage is recognized and legal in the state of Maryland (and possibly DC). However it's still a heartbreaking reminder of how far we still need to come as a country.
ReplyDelete'Murika!
ReplyDeleteGimme mah gun so I (ellie mae bobby jean) ken maurry mah cuzin (bobby joe jim bob) down dare near da hollar. Weez may hafta shoot sum squirrels for the dinner I'm fixin ta make.
EarthyMama
The first map needs an update. My state, Maryland, now includes gay marriage.
ReplyDeleteWith the Supreme Court set to hear arguments on Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban in California, the Morning Joe panel tackled the issue of marriage and how the tide of public opinion has evolved. The discussion found a near consensus when it came to the “lightning pace” of change on the issue — with Nicolle Wallace, former communications chief for George W. Bush, asserting that even the youngest, “most devoted” conservatives find it to be an “equal rights issue.”
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-strategist-tackles-gay-marriage-evolution-youngest-most-devoted-conservatives-see-it-as-equal-rights/
Legal in Washington, too!
ReplyDeleteInterbreeding. That's why the South has mental deficiency problems. There, I said it.
ReplyDeleteHey Hey Hey!!! Don't paint with such a wide brush. You certainly aren't referring to my family. We're all docs, attys, Bond Brokers, MBAs, all of us. And none of us want to marry a cousin. Maybe lie on the sofa and make out a little with a couple of em, but that's about all we can get away with. But them gals sure don't visit nearly as often as my brother and I would like. If they'd come to town to visit more often, it might keep both of us from getting ole Bessie to back up to a stump out in the pasture for us. Just saying'.
DeleteI am stunned looking at that 1st cousin map...talk about dragging knuckles. It is hard to believe young people that decide to stay and raise families in states like this. It matches anti education, healthcare, abortion....on and on, the rest of the country moves forward and they continue to go backwards. Simply amazing in 2013.
ReplyDeleteAfter listening to Daniel's letter (he wrote to Justice Roberts about his 2 dads) I watched all the other videos about their family. Jay and Brian are such outstanding examples of what good parenting looks like, to deny those adoptable kids a family where marriage recognizes them with all their legal rights is immoral. There is simply no rational reason to deny the LGBT community any longer. For my money Daniel and his sister Selena are very lucky to grow up with 2 such loving parents, just so happens they are both men.
Maybe the problem with all of those southern red states is that there's been so much intermarriage (cousins marrying cousins). Instead of being annoyed with them we should just pity them.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
I am from AL. My great grandparents were double first cousins (brother and sister marrying their first cousins who were brother and sister). My mother's first cousin married his second cousin. His son married his third cousin. My sister married her first cousin (in TX - way before the ban in 2005). All of the children and grandchildren of these marriages are college graduates, and have successful careers and marriages of their own. I don't recommend marrying cousins simply because it is difficult to explain how everyone is related. For instance, my sister's aunt was her mother-in-law and her children's grandmother and great-aunt. So you can see that cousin marriage doesn't really fit into our country's penchant for explaining relationships. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it. (I didn't marry anyone related to me - full disclosure.) Way back, marrying cousins was a way to keep land and money within one extended family in the southern US. That way, "them damn yankees" wouldn't get it. Bwahahahahah.
ReplyDeleteHere is some interesting info: "US prohibitions on cousin marriage date to the Civil War and its immediate aftermath. The first ban was enacted by Kansas in 1858, with Nevada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Wyoming following suit in the 1860s. Subsequently, the rate of increase in the number of laws was nearly constant until the mid-1920s; only Kentucky (1946), Maine (1985), and Texas (2005) have since banned cousins from marrying." - plosbiology.org
Hey man, if it's good enough for royalty it should be good enough for the common folk too!
DeleteHowever, it only works out okay for a few generations, then the DNA starts to get a little "tired" and all sorts of recessive traits and health problems can begin to surface. The offspring of first cousins is no more at risk for genetic defect than is the offspring of totally non-related people.
Here's an article you might enjoy:
http://io9.com/5863666/why-inbreeding-really-isnt-as-bad-as-you-think-it-is
Marrying to keep property in the family demonstrates what marriage has been historically. To keep or accrue property. The Supreme Court should consider the history of marriage in making their decision.
ReplyDeleteMarrying your cousin isn't legal in MA. It's actually one the stipulations for not being able to marry someone. You also can't marry someone who was a step parent.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the state of Kinfucky covers more territory and lean Republican districts than I thought.
ReplyDelete"So what we got a deevorce. Youse still mah cuzzin!"
ReplyDelete"But Deron Smith, director of public relations for the Boy Scouts of America, tells Mother Jones that since the survey didn't include any specific questions about the ban, and only nine percent of respondents brought it up in an open-ended question about why they would or wouldn't recommend the Boy Scouts, "it is insufficient to accurately predict the beliefs of our membership as a whole." "
The same state of denial logic applies to the questions the survey didn't ask about the Official BSA Boy Scout Perversion Files. Just change a couple of words to see how this might work.
"Deron Smith, director of public relations for the Boy Scouts of America, tells Mother Jones that since the survey didn't include any specific questions about the Official BSA Perversion Files (official trademark of the BSA- used with permission), and the crimes and perverts that the files helped cover up, and only nine percent of respondents brought it up in an open-ended question about why they would or wouldn't recommend the Boy Scouts, "it is insufficient to accurately predict the beliefs of our membership as a whole."
Because maybe the 'disloyal customers' haven't heard about the perverts and all the binders full of them at BSA headquarters. Maybe they don't read the LA Times either. Or use the internetz.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/wisconsin-physician-surrenders-license-in-boy-scout-molestation-case.html
"A prominent Wisconsin pediatrician who admitted molesting two boys while serving as a Boy Scout camp doctor in the 1980s voluntarily gave up his medical license Tuesday after additional complaints of abuse surfaced.
Thomas Kowalski, 75, was the target of an investigation by the state’s medical examining board after The Times reported in September that he had been expelled from the Boy Scouts in 1987 after he admitted he masturbated while fondling two teenage boys in his care.
The parents declined to press charges, and Scouting officials used their connections with the publisher of a Milwaukee paper to keep the story out of the press, Scouting records show. Kowalski, identified in confidential Scouting files as an author of state child abuse laws, admitted the allegations in an interview with The Times. He continued to work with children behind closed doors until his retirement in 2001."
Marrying a cousin? That's stupid. I've got about 6 that are just gorgeous, but I don't want to marry any of em. But let em try sleeping without locking their bedroom door, and BOOM! I tell ya, I'm all over that booty! Just like when we were in junior high.
ReplyDeleteAhhh, memories. lol
Here's a page with a map for all states where gay marriage is legal. Also contains info on civil unions, etc.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.freedomtomarry.org/states/