Monday, May 13, 2013

Only hope Republicans have to win in 2016 is to use Benghazi to destroy Hillary Clinton. Most obvious statement of the week. Update!

"Let me get this straight! We're STILL talking about this?"
Courtesy of National Memo:

Just days after C-SPAN began its Road to White House 2016, frontrunners for the GOP presidential nomination Rand Paul (R-KY) and Marco Rubio (R-FL) have begun blasting the woman they fear they may have to face in less than four years – Hillary Clinton. 

While House Republicans are intent on using the tragedy in Benghazi to engage in their ritual witch-hunt of any Democratic president who wins a second term, Paul and Rubio — along with Karl Rove and Dick Cheney – are intent on destroying the reputation of America’s most popular politician, likely in hopes of dissuading her from running. 

Desperate, uncontainable fear of a Hillary candidacy is one of the few Republican policies that makes sense. 

Last month, Clinton was leading Rubio by a 6-point margin — in Kentucky. Kentucky! Kentucky’s state bird is any bird that’s pooping on a Democrat. In the same poll, Clinton was tied with Rand Paul, who is a U.S. senator from Kentucky.
ABC’s Jon Karl, who reported the revisions, told Politico, “There’s no evidence that Hillary Clinton was aware of what was going on, or in any way tried to direct what was in these talking points.” 

So to make a case against Clinton, Paul is blasting the former Secretary of State because she didn’t not respond personally to requests for more security. Based on Paul’s standard, Republicans in the House who cut nearly half a billion from State Department security shouldn’t hold office either.

In my opinion one of the startling things about this Benghazi brouhaha is how nakedly partisan and opportunistic it is, and that either the Republicans don't see that or they don't care that it's so obvious.

In other words they are willing to stick the knife in Hillary's back in broad daylight, and risk being seen doing so, just on the off chance the knife will take her out permanently.

On Sunday former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates told Bob Schieffer HE would have responded to the attack on Benghazi in precisely the same manner:

"And, frankly, I've heard, 'Why didn't you just fly a fighter jet over and try and scare them with the noise or something?' Well, given the number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libya dictator Muammar] Gaddafi's arsenals, I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances." 

Gates pointed out that others had suggested that the military could have sent in Special Forces or some other small group. 

"Based on everything I've read, people really didn't know what was going on in Benghazi contemporaneously, and to send some small number of Special Forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, I think, would have been very dangerous," the former defense secretary observed. "And personally, I would not have approved that." 

"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces. The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way. And there just wasn't time to do that."

I think "cartoonish impression of military capabilities" just about sums up the Republican party's  entire misunderstanding as to how to deal with national security and conflicts in other countries.

It is almost as if they view the military as being made up of a bunch of Chuck Norris clones, with a shirt unbuttoned to their belt line, an Uzi in each hand, and the preternatural ability to dodge every incoming bullet while taking out complete battalions with nary a hair falling out of place.

Perhaps somebody should remind these assholes that the last guy who thought war was just like all of those John Wayne movies damn near destroyed the country while starting one in every place that dared to look at us sideways.

Just another reason why the NEXT occupant of the White House should be a reality based pragmatist and NOT another gung-ho, GI Joe lunchbox carrying, Rambo wannabe.

Yeah, I mean you.

Update: By the way just for shits and giggles perhaps you would like to be reminded of how the Bush administration responded to calls for a 9-11 commission

I don't think the word "hypocrisy" does nearly an adequate job of describing he Republican party.

Update 2: According to Public Policy Polling this Benghazi thing is NOT doing what the GOP is hoping it will do: 

PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating. 

Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.

Oops that smells like backfire to me.

28 comments:

  1. Anonymous7:05 AM

    It looks like Rand Paul has the same Wig Doctor that Sarah Palin uses.

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  2. Anonymous7:17 AM

    I don't think what actually happened at BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI or what the State department did after or even what the GOP thinks happened matters. This entire affair is just an excuse to act outraged and try and create a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation so the base can be riled up in anger which is what their base does over everything and to deflect attention away from the shit show for a job Congress is doing on everything. I'm not sure how much this will actually help people since it doesn't sound like anyone not already pissed about voter fraud and Obamaphones cares about it at all.

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  3. Anonymous7:19 AM

    Why aren't they covering the fact the our own U.S. Congress voted to take away funding that was used to protect our Ambassadors overseas? I'm really getting tired of this subject as well as thee IRS! What total bull!

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  4. Anonymous7:29 AM

    There were several oddities about the House Oversight Committee’s Benghazi hearing last week, but one of the unanswered questions related to Chairman Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) choice of witnesses. Yesterday, on “Meet the Press,” this grew even more problematic.

    The hearing was supposed to be about the committee getting more answers about the attack, but Issa chose not to invite former Ambassador Thomas Pickering, a veteran diplomat from the Reagan and Bush administrations, who helped oversee the independent investigation into the events in Benghazi. If the goal was to get more information, why not ask Pickering to appear?

    Issa said yesterday, "Ambassador Pickering, his people and he refused to come before our committee." Pickering, who was seated next to Issa at the time, said the far-right congressman was lying. "I said the day before the hearings, I was willing to appear to come to the very hearings that he excluded me from."

    So it would appear that Mr. Issa said something he knew to be untrue. I mention this, of course, because we've been told that saying something untrue on a Sunday show -- deliberately or not -- is deeply scandalous, and reason to keep someone from positions of power and authority. So why the congressman say Pickering "refused to come before our committee" when that's the opposite of the truth?

    Issa's response was even more amusing:

    "The fact is, we don't want to have some sort of a stage show. We had fact witnesses. They testified. We have the Ambassador and Admiral Mullen who conducted and oversaw the [independent review]. We're inviting them on Monday. We'll go through, not in front of the public, but in a nonpartisan way."

    Oh, really. Issa was so excited by the prospect of last week's hearing that his staff made movie posters to help promote it, and made sure it received all kinds of media coverage and live feeds for the public. But when it comes to getting information from the two respected officials -- with experience in Republican administrations -- who oversaw an independent investigation of the crisis Issa is interested in, the committee chairman doesn't want "a stage show' and doesn't want the public to see the testimony.

    If Republicans want Americans to take their Benghazi conspiracy theories seriously, maybe they shouldn't have Issa leading the crusade.


    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/05/13/18227238-we-dont-want-to-have-some-sort-of-a-stage-show?lite

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  5. Cracklin Charlie7:31 AM

    They must be addicted to backfire fumes, then, because they have been sucking that exhaust in ever since Barack Obama came to town.

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  6. Balzafiar7:35 AM

    "...while taking out complete battalions with nary a hair falling out of place. "

    That would read a little truer like this:

    ...while taking out complete battalions with nary a hair of his mullet falling out of place.

    One has to insure that his stature as a primo redneck is recognized.

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  7. Imagine for a minute that the Russian ambassador was attacked at the UN. Would we allow Russian Special Forces into the country with no warning?

    Unless I missed something, Libya is sovereign. THEY should have been offering adequate protection. I’m very sorry for the ones who died, but it’s a dangerous job, and there’ll always be adventurous types who take these assignments.

    Rove’s got to earn his millions. You can bet he’s on a short leash.

    Rand Paul is a pampered idiot.

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  8. Anonymous7:43 AM

    Things go Badly for Darrell Issa When David Gregory Fails to Be a GOP Shill

    Darrell Issa (R-CA) made a fool of himself on “Meet the Press” Sunday as he tried to defend his Benghazi conspiracy. David Gregory (R-TV) pushed back hard, even bringing up the GOP’s defunding of security.

    Issa even accused General David Petraeus of lying for the administration. As soon as Gregory would call Issa on one thing, he’d say he was investigating something else. Issa accused Tom Pickering of refusing to testify when in fact, Issa had not invited him to speak and Pickering was told that the Republican majority did not want him there. Issa ended up backtracking on that one, too, and it was super awkward when it came out that Issa never asked for him to appear.

    Turns out, Issa was just making inaccurate, unfounded accusations so as falsely infuse his Benghazi hearings with the aura of nefarious dark secrets, because that is what Issa does for a living.

    The worst news for Issa was that Gregory refused to be his usual GOP shill, which is an alarming indication that Republicans have pushed their Benghazi conspiracy one wingnut too far.

    Watch here via NBC:

    http://www.politicususa.com/badly-darrell-issa-david-gregory-fails-gop-shill.html

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  9. Anonymous7:45 AM

    Bush and His Aides Made 935 False Statements about Iraq In the 2 Years After 9/11

    Given the Republican obsession with Benghazi talking points, it’s time for a very specific flashback. In 2008, two non partisan groups released a study that determined that President Bush and his top aides made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001.

    These statements were part of a deliberate campaign, according to the study conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism. They concluded, “The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion… In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003.”


    http://www.politicususa.com/bush-aides-935-false-statements-iraq-2-years-911.html

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  10. Anonymous7:47 AM

    Funny, but typical, that 'never served a day' Rand is wearing an Army shirt. Kind of like Sarah's star bracelet and her Mother's Day tweet praising only the moms of soldiers. They sure know who their audience is. I was on some wacko site where the posters were calling the President and FLOTUS all kinds of horrific names, while also calling libs 'haters.' Right. Keep it up, GOP. You are losing far more people than you are pulling in, and Robertson's latest idea to pit white people against all immmigrants ought to seal the deal.

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  11. Anonymous7:54 AM

    What's best about this is that by next year, this will all be gone. They are wasting their breath and resources, and alienating many people with this witch hunt. There will be nothing left to 'Benghazi' by the time Hillary declares. Remember when they tried to dig up Whitewater in 2008? Far too many years had passed. Same thing here. Benghazi was not her fault, will never BE her fault, and she, unlike the GOP, actually took responsibility for her job. These guys are pitiful. And if Rand and Mario are really the best they have to offer...hahhahhahahah!

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  12. Anonymous7:56 AM

    Kristol Shreds Karl Rove's Super PAC for Anti-Hillary Benghazi Attack Ad

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/kristol-shreds-karl-roves-super-pac-anti-hil

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  13. Anonymous8:00 AM

    Daily Mail has video

    A video that appears to show a Syrian rebel commander cutting out and eating the heart of a dead government soldier has been posted on the internet.

    These are the folks John McCain wants to help.

    John, should we send them a bottle of A-1 Steak sauce or more arms?

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  14. Anonymous8:08 AM

    Will the Republican Clown Car Find its Way Out of Benghazi?

    The Republican clown car has crashed into Benghazi and may never come out again. German General Erwin Rommel, the Desert Fox, captured the city easily in 1941 but the Republicans have walked into their own minefield, or at least gotten lost, as they struggle vainly to find an argument, let alone a conspiracy. As is the case in war, it is easier to start an Inquisition than it is to end one. The thing takes on a life of its own, and consumes ever more human kindling.

    The way it’s looking now, there may not be any survivors.

    Saturday Night Live hit the nail on the head this weekend when it examined the results of the GOP’s latest “Let’s get Obama!” foray: the infamous Benghazi hearings.

    http://www.politicususa.com/republican-clown-car-find-benghazi.html

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  15. Anonymous8:10 AM

    Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) procured a significant amount of ink this week by raising the specter of impeachment, but even President Obama‘s most vociferous critic on the issue of Benghazi is saying that the “i-word” should not apply here. On Sunday morning’s State of the Union, Senator Susan Collins joined Senator John McCain in pushing back on Inhofe’s suggestion. Host Candy Crowley asked if ” the impeachment word should come up,” to which Collins replied, “I don’t, at this point.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/impeachy-not-so-keen-sen-susan-collins-also-doesnt-see-impeachment-over-benghazi/

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  16. Anonymous8:55 AM

    Voter Views of Benghazi Are Unchanged After House Hearings

    Voter perceptions about the murder of the U.S. ambassador in Benghazi, Libya last year and how the Obama administration has explained it are basically unchanged despite last week’s high-profile congressional hearings on the incident.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2013/voter_views_of_benghazi_are_unchanged_after_house_hearings

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  17. Anonymous9:01 AM

    President Obama on Benghazi and the IRS (VIDEO)

    http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/13/president-obama-on-benghazi/

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  18. Anonymous9:03 AM

    Obama On IRS Scandal: 'I Have Got No Patience' For It

    President Barack Obama strongly condemned officials at the Internal Revenue Service for singling out conservative groups during the lead-up to the 2012 elections.

    In a press conference on Monday, Obama called the reports "outrageous" and intolerable, while saying he would reserve harsher judgement for when a fuller report on the IRS's actions is formally released.

    "This is pretty straightforward," said Obama. "If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that is outrageous, and there is no place for it, and they have to be held fully accountable, because the IRS as an independent agency requires absolute integrity and people have to have confidence that they are applying the laws in a non-partisan way. You should feel that way regardless of party."

    "But I have got no patience with it, I will not tolerate it, and we will make sure that we find out exactly what happened on this," he added.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/obama-irs-scandal_n_3266577.html

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  19. Anonymous9:05 AM

    President Barack Obama on Monday called the Internal Revenue Service's admission that Ohio branch employees singled out conservative non-profit groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election "outrageous," promising to hold officials accountable should an independent review find misconduct.

    "If in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on, and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous," Obama said during a joint press conference with Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron. "And there's no place for it. And they have to be held fully accountable. Because the IRS as an independent agency, requires absolute integrity and people have to have confidence that they're applying it in a nonpartisan way. Applying the laws in a nonpartisan way. And you should feel that way regardless of party. I don't care whether you're a Democrat, Independent or a Republican."

    He added: "The [Inspector General's office] is conducting its investigation and I am not going to comment on their specific findings prematurely. But I can tell you that if you've got the IRS operating in anything less than a neutral and nonpartisan way, then that is outrageous to our traditions and people have to be held accountable and it needs to be fixed."

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  20. Anonymous9:07 AM

    Blather. Rinse. Repeat.

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  21. Anonymous9:08 AM

    Obama Tears Apart Benghazi Conspiracy, ‘Who Stages a Cover Up for Three Days?’

    ...Asked if the White House misled the public about its involvement in the Benghazi talking points, the President responded, “On Benghazi, we’ve now seen this argument that’s been made by some folks on Capitol Hill for months now. Here’s what we know: Americans died in Benghazi. Clearly they were not in a position where they were adequately protected. The day after it happened, I acknowledged that it was an act of terrorism.”

    Obama explained that he said we needed to figure out what happened and that’s exactly what they have done. He said he would hold those responsible accountable. At the time, the government did not know who was responsible, or what was taking place. He pointed out rather irritably that the emails referred to by the reporter were provided by the White House to congressional committees months ago. Those committees concluded nothing wrong had happened. Then, three days ago, they were “spun up”.

    Obama called it out, “The whole issue of talking points has been, frankly throughout this process, a side show. We have been very clear that we were not sure how it had been carried out, who was responsible… Nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of those first days. The emails you referred to were provided by us to congressional committees.”

    “There’s no there, there. Keep in mind, these so called talking points, five-six days after the attack occurred pretty much matched the assessment I had.” He said that 2-3 days after Susan Rice appeared on TV shows with the talking points, he sent out the information that became the basis for assuming it was terrorism. If this was an effort to downplay what was happening, it would be odd for the White House to put out the information showing it was a terrorist attack. He asked, “Who stages a cover up for just three days?”

    The President said we should be focusing on protecting diplomats, not on playing these kind of political games. That is what he has been trying to do. We dishonor them when we turn problems like this into a political circus. He referenced Tom Pickering’s report, and the recommendations that the review board came up with after determining “harsh judgments” on how the government protected consulates, which are being implemented.

    Obama said that political motivations are behind this. Opponents have challenged the integrity of Hillary Clinton and others in his administration. He said it is not surprising they are challenging Obama’s integrity too, but he’s used to it. “It’s a given that mine (integrity) gets challenged by these folks. They’ve used it for fund-raising.”

    Obama says he has taken responsibility for the fact he could not prevent these four deaths.

    Obama challenged Republicans by saying if anyone out there wants to actually focus on how we focus on how to make sure something like this doesn’t happen again, he would be happy to do anything he can to make that happen.

    http://www.politicususa.com/president-obama-calls-politicization-benghazi-calls-gops-accusations-side-show.html

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  22. Anonymous9:14 AM

    Sarah Palin Poll Shows Former Gov. Would Narrowly Lead Primary Field For Alaska Senate

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/sarah-palin-poll_n_3266921.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU ALASKANS?????

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    1. Anonymous9:28 AM

      Trying to generate clicks and cooments for your hero, are you?

      Sarah has a lower approval rating than Congress among Alaskans.

      Sarah ain't "hot."

      Never was, really.

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    2. Anonymous9:55 AM

      The poll was conducted by a Republican polling firm called Harper Polling and their advertising tag line is "get the results you want".

      I'm sure it was a small cherry-picked group of die hard right wingers that they chose, and they most likely vetted them before hand to insure the desired outcome.

      Mudflats has the details:

      http://www.themudflats.net/?p=37681

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  23. LoveAndKnishesFromBrooklyn10:13 AM

    Hillary is living rent-free in Conservobots' noggins 'cause there's JUST SO DAMN MUCH ROOM!!

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  24. Anita Winecooler1:16 PM

    They're FUNDRAISING off of this tragedy as they blame Hillary Clinton for "talking points" she had nothing to do with.

    It's getting kind of stale... they're like cats in a room full of rocking chairs. Of course it'll backfire....

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  25. Voting against controlling assault rifles and high capacity magazines proves that Rand Paul should never hold elected office again.

    Feel free to insert your favorite STOOGE. (Thanks, Dave.)

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  26. Anonymous7:57 PM

    Benghazi Becomes the Latest Deflated Political Football for Republicans

    ...Allow me to inject a few cc’s of truth into the brouhaha know as Benghazi and the subsequent “investigation” of the two 9/11(12)/12 terrorist’s attacks resulting in the deaths of U.S. Libyan Ambassador Christopher Stevens by smoke inhalation. A colleague was also killed. A second attack, early on the morning of the 12th claimed two more lives in a CIA annex a little over a mile distant from the first action.

    ...Stevens died in a dark corner of the compound’s so-called ‘safe haven’. The facility has been continuously misidentified as a Consulate. All consular duties were carried out in Tripoli. The main building was more like an over-sized chicken coup than a diplomatic mission. And therein lies the rub you’re hearing virtually nothing about. But keep reading.

    ...Let’s come to an understanding here with some hard truths. Libya was and is a hell of a dangerous place. In 2012 there had been numerous attacks and demonstrations on Diplomatic missions including the storming of the Tunisian mission in protest of some Tunisian artists depictions of Islam. Makes the video story less far-fetched doesn’t it? There was in fact a small anti-video contingent present during the first attack on the U.S. facility.

    After an absence of over a quarter of a century due to a 1979 Libyan attack on the U.S. Embassy, President George W. Bush restored full diplomatic relations with Libya in 2006 by upgrading an existing Liaison Office (also established by the Bush administration in 2004) to a full-fledged Embassy. The location was Tripoli, almost directly across from Benghazi via the Gulf of Sidra.

    Libya is a country of 6,000,000, 97% of whom are Sunni Muslims. Some really rowdy terrorist factions populate the immediate Benghazi neighborhoods including healthy doses of al-Qaeda. Both the Bush and Obama administrations have been keenly aware of that fact and both have recruited al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups for assorted dirty work.

    It’s extremely important you know the background of what the American’s were doing at the Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi in the first place. I get my information from an unlikely source, WorldNetDaily (WND). Their highly conservative site sells numerous right-wing bumper stickers including the ancient “Don’t Tread On Me.” So this info is not from some bleeding-heart liberal organization seeking administration excuses for Benghazi.

    ...Did Stevens and his colleagues know of the risks? Absolutely and they accepted it. North Africa (considered part of the Middle East) is a tinderbox. Security was supposed to have been provided by the new Libyan leadership. It was sadly lacking. I sincerely hope Stevens and his colleagues are duly recognized for their courageous and selfless service to their country with the highest posthumous honors President Obama can bestow upon their memories.

    If there had been a massive confrontation between the terrorist factions and U.S. military, say hello to a complete conflagration in the Middle East, a mutli-decade Third World War.

    House and Senate Intelligence Committees are fully briefed on the continuing administration actions and strategies throughout the world. The Republicans could have demanded more U.S military coverage in Benghazi in addition to the new Libyan security.

    Every administration has withheld certain classified information for the secrecy and safety of any given operation. Of course, the Issa committee knows all that, but reasonable and legitimate State Department and Administrative measured responses to clandestine actions don’t make good negative press for Fox and the goofy right-wing talk shows.

    http://www.politicususa.com/benghazi-latest-deflated-political-football-republicans.html

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