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Sunday, June 02, 2013
I found "Jesusland" and interestingly enough it appears to be in Indiana.
Okay so does this mean that EVERYBODY in Indiana accepts Jesus as their lord?
And, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't this KIND of go against what the Constitution says?
These people are like bad mushrooms. They pop up everywhere.
And they know that until someone complains in court and they are forced to cease or remove whatever it is, it works.They are flooding everything so much so that they appear to have exhausted the Justice Department, for instance.
WHY is it required that someone use the courts to COMPLAIN? In my book, if something is illegal, it is illegal and the Justice Department should simply step in. At the very least a REPORT (compared to a court case) of an occurrence should trigger action - even if it is to simply look into it.
When there are reports or complaints about something egregiously unconstitutional, it should need only be reported for SOMETHING to happen.
When a state makes a law that is so damned obviously wrong, an immediate stay should be requested by the Federal Government. Mississippi will keep writing laws (just one example folks. I know there is lots of stupid out there) about teaching creationism in public schools until they get one that is ignored. Then it is up to the PARENTS to complain and pay for a court battle? That's just wrong.
What kind of world would it be if someone had to file a complaint about a murder?! Once it is discovered, murder is acted upon. Period. (Well, generally.)
Tryvon Martin anyone? Great post Leland. To answer your question Gryphen- almost. Even the stoners from high school have been 'saved' in Indiana. I think tthey put something in the water. There are a few brave souls, but they keep their views to themselves most of the time. Freedom of religion? Not hardly.
I'm pretty sure that sign is a knock off on the official IN signs. I live in this hell hole and have never seen one like that on any border (KY, OH or IL).
The thing that suggests it is a knock-off sign is that it doesn't seem to have a state seal. I would guess, until proven otherwise, it is a clever sign put on private property that is perhaps near the Indiana border. But unless we can prove it is a state sign (and I highly doubt it; there would be more than one if that were the case, and this sign appears quite unprofessionally made), we should put our brouhaha into hiatus mode. After all, don't we expect the righties to stop, investigate, shore up their facts, and think thoroughly before opening THEIR mouths?
Just got into it on another site that posted video of Sarah's 'inspirational' speech yesterday. People are still whining that "God is not allowed in our schools,' and 'the Constitution is only understood by people like Sarah.' Bull pucky. God is allowed anywhere people believe in Him, but golly, folks, do you want people telling your kid to pray to Buddha or Allah or the Sun? Nowhere in the Constitution is this nation set up as Christian. It is not there, and shouldn't be. And frankly, I think the IRS should pull all tax exemption from churches, too. And yes, Gryph, that sign is against the Constitution.
To elaborate on your comment, how COULD our government be set up as Christian, since Christian is not a monolith here as it was in Europe, but consists of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of different splinter groups, many of whom believe the others are spiritually doomed. There could never, by definition, be an agreement of what the word Christian meant in that context.
While some might claim it would mean 'following the Bible in every sense', then no church in America would qualify: seen any stonings for adultery lately? any murders by parents of their misbehaved children? any serious, literal Sabbath-keeping? any respect for authority? any nationwide love for one's neighbors – put into practice? to say nothing of witnessing any widespread practicing of exemplary Christian behavior?
What chaos it would be if we were to follow the Bible since each group chooses particular parts to follow and others to ignore.
Of course, MOST of them ignore that whole silly 'do unto others' part and nearly all of what baby Jeebus preached about caring for others. That stuff is just so tedious and inconvenient when it interferes with our prejudices, isn't it?
When I first saw this picture, I was thinking that it was a photo shopped deal, because Mitch Daniels has more sense than that. Then I remembered that Mike Pence is now the governor and thought, ah, maybe possible. Did some research and on another site, they are saying that it is a private sign put up by someone. I can see that, based on the fact that people put up large crosses next to highways all over the country. If it is a private sign and on private property, I don't think the state can do anything even though it is masquerading as an official state sign. Just another way for people to get attention.
This looks like something some church put up along a country road as opposed to the "official" "Welcome To Indiana" signs you might see on Interstates, US highways, etc. Perhaps the church is even just out of frame to the right and this sign is on church property. There are no "official" state markings on it either. Just another sign you can flip off, mutter "F that" to, and keep driving (like the "Miss me yet?" W billboards or the billboards for the rush show on radio).
I live here and I've never seen that. Interestingly, "Growing Up in Jesusland" is the title of a book by Julia Scheeres about her horrific childhood in Indiana in a fundamentalist Christian home. And no, we definitely aren't all Christian, lol.
"Welcome to Indiana. The Crossroads of American," is the motto on the official Interstate Highway sign.
They can't put their Bibles in our kitchens, and it just eats these religious bigots alive. These amateur acts of protest are like a gaggle of toddlers having a mass temper tantrum.
What they hate even more is the fact they can't scare the shit out of us with visions of Hell. By God, we'll just make everyone live in absolute fear like us!
I just got back from my homestate and I concur the official sign, while I didn't see a seal, does say, "Crossroads of America" - and no crosses or jesus references. I was born in Lake County, the only Democratic county in IN, and the one which carried it for O in 2008. Got out not a moment too soon, 38 years ago and only go back to visit family occasionally.
Hello fellow Regionite: Indiana has long been considered to be a Republican stronghold,[122][123] particularly in Presidential races, but the Cook Partisan Voting Index (CPVI) now rates Indiana as only R+5, a smaller Republican edge than is assigned to 20 of the 28 "red" states. Indiana was one of only ten states to support Republican Wendell Willkie in 1940.[46] On 14 occasions has the Republican candidate defeated the Democrat by a double digit margin in the state, including six times where a Republican won the state by more than 20%.[124] In 2000 and 2004, George W. Bush won the state by a wide margin while the election was much closer overall. The state has only supported a Democrat for president five times since 1900. In 1912, Woodrow Wilson became the first Democrat to win the state with 43% of the vote. 20 years later, Franklin D. Roosevelt won the state with 55% of the vote over incumbent Republican Herbert Hoover. Roosevelt won the state again in 1936. In 1964, 56% of voters supported Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson over Republican Barry Goldwater. 44 years later, Democrat Barack Obama narrowly won the state against John McCain 50% to 49%.[125] In the following election Republican Mitt Romney won back the state for the Republican party with 54% of the vote over incumbent Obama who won 43%.[126]
While only five Democratic presidential nominees have carried Indiana since 1900, 11 Democrats were elected governor during that time. Before Mitch Daniels became governor in 2005, Democrats had held the office for 16 consecutive years. Indiana elects two senators and nine representatives to Congress. The state has 11 electoral votes in presidential elections.[124] Seven of the districts favor the Republican Party according to the CPVI rankings; there are currently six Republicans serving as representatives and three Democrats. Historically, Republicans have been strongest in the eastern and central portions of the state, while Democrats have been strongest in the northwestern part of the state. Occasionally, certain counties in the southern part of the state will vote Democratic. Marion County, Indiana's most populous county, supported the Republican candidates from 1968 to 2000, before backing the Democrats in the 2004 and 2008 elections. Indiana's second most populous county, Lake County, strongly supports the Democratic party and has not voted for a Republican since 1972.[124] In 2005, the Bay Area Center for Voting Research rated the most liberal and conservative cities in the United States on voting statistics in the 2004 presidential election, based on 237 cities with populations of more than 100,000. Five Indiana cities were mentioned in the study. On the liberal side, Gary was ranked second and South Bend came in at 83. Among conservative cities, Fort Wayne was 44th, Evansville was 60th and Indianapolis was 82nd on the list.[127]
I do think we are winning the hearts and minds of the young voters - especially when they get to university. It is why they are now trying to tear down the Liberal Arts schools at the state universities, like Purdue's appointment of Mitch Daniels as (unqualified, but appointed by teh trustees he appointed!*(&*&) Prez of purdue.,
These people are like bad mushrooms. They pop up everywhere.
ReplyDeleteAnd they know that until someone complains in court and they are forced to cease or remove whatever it is, it works.They are flooding everything so much so that they appear to have exhausted the Justice Department, for instance.
WHY is it required that someone use the courts to COMPLAIN? In my book, if something is illegal, it is illegal and the Justice Department should simply step in. At the very least a REPORT (compared to a court case) of an occurrence should trigger action - even if it is to simply look into it.
When there are reports or complaints about something egregiously unconstitutional, it should need only be reported for SOMETHING to happen.
When a state makes a law that is so damned obviously wrong, an immediate stay should be requested by the Federal Government. Mississippi will keep writing laws (just one example folks. I know there is lots of stupid out there) about teaching creationism in public schools until they get one that is ignored. Then it is up to the PARENTS to complain and pay for a court battle? That's just wrong.
What kind of world would it be if someone had to file a complaint about a murder?! Once it is discovered, murder is acted upon. Period. (Well, generally.)
Tryvon Martin anyone? Great post Leland. To answer your question Gryphen- almost. Even the stoners from high school have been 'saved' in Indiana. I think tthey put something in the water. There are a few brave souls, but they keep their views to themselves most of the time. Freedom of religion? Not hardly.
DeleteI'm pretty sure that sign is a knock off on the official IN signs. I live in this hell hole and have never seen one like that on any border (KY, OH or IL).
ReplyDeleteThe thing that suggests it is a knock-off sign is that it doesn't seem to have a state seal. I would guess, until proven otherwise, it is a clever sign put on private property that is perhaps near the Indiana border. But unless we can prove it is a state sign (and I highly doubt it; there would be more than one if that were the case, and this sign appears quite unprofessionally made), we should put our brouhaha into hiatus mode. After all, don't we expect the righties to stop, investigate, shore up their facts, and think thoroughly before opening THEIR mouths?
DeleteCan't be real, "welcomes" is spelled wrong.
DeleteJust got into it on another site that posted video of Sarah's 'inspirational' speech yesterday. People are still whining that "God is not allowed in our schools,' and 'the Constitution is only understood by people like Sarah.' Bull pucky. God is allowed anywhere people believe in Him, but golly, folks, do you want people telling your kid to pray to Buddha or Allah or the Sun? Nowhere in the Constitution is this nation set up as Christian. It is not there, and shouldn't be. And frankly, I think the IRS should pull all tax exemption from churches, too. And yes, Gryph, that sign is against the Constitution.
ReplyDeleteTo elaborate on your comment, how COULD our government be set up as Christian, since Christian is not a monolith here as it was in Europe, but consists of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of different splinter groups, many of whom believe the others are spiritually doomed. There could never, by definition, be an agreement of what the word Christian meant in that context.
DeleteWhile some might claim it would mean 'following the Bible in every sense', then no church in America would qualify: seen any stonings for adultery lately? any murders by parents of their misbehaved children? any serious, literal Sabbath-keeping? any respect for authority? any nationwide love for one's neighbors – put into practice? to say nothing of witnessing any widespread practicing of exemplary Christian behavior?
5:46 -
DeleteWhat chaos it would be if we were to follow the Bible since each group chooses particular parts to follow and others to ignore.
Of course, MOST of them ignore that whole silly 'do unto others' part and nearly all of what baby Jeebus preached about caring for others. That stuff is just so tedious and inconvenient when it interferes with our prejudices, isn't it?
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteWhen I first saw this picture, I was thinking that it was a photo shopped deal, because Mitch Daniels has more sense than that. Then I remembered that Mike Pence is now the governor and thought, ah, maybe possible. Did some research and on another site, they are saying that it is a private sign put up by someone. I can see that, based on the fact that people put up large crosses next to highways all over the country. If it is a private sign and on private property, I don't think the state can do anything even though it is masquerading as an official state sign. Just another way for people to get attention.
ReplyDeleteIf it is on state property, it is tantamount to the state supporting it. And that is a violation.
DeleteAt least, that is the argument I would make if I were a lawyer and fighting it.
It's fake.
Deletehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:State_border_signs_in_the_United_States
This looks like something some church put up along a country road as opposed to the "official" "Welcome To Indiana" signs you might see on Interstates, US highways, etc. Perhaps the church is even just out of frame to the right and this sign is on church property. There are no "official" state markings on it either. Just another sign you can flip off, mutter "F that" to, and keep driving (like the "Miss me yet?" W billboards or the billboards for the rush show on radio).
ReplyDeleteThat was my first though too, that it was put up on church property or private land somewhere near the border.
DeleteI live here and I've never seen that. Interestingly, "Growing Up in Jesusland" is the title of a book by Julia Scheeres about her horrific childhood in Indiana in a fundamentalist Christian home. And no, we definitely aren't all Christian, lol.
ReplyDeletenow that they have that sign up - all other religious signs should be allowed also.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, you should see signs saying, "Blessed Be - Indiana" and "Namaste - Indiana" and of course, "Assalam Alaikum - Indiana".
If it's ok for one religion to be spewed, it's ok for ALL religions to be spewed on highway signs.
Which would lead to every foot being crammed with religious signs and people defacing those with which they disagreed - ESPECIALLY the xtians!
DeleteSpend five seconds and google it.
DeleteIt is a fake
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:State_border_signs_in_the_United_States
"Welcome to Indiana. The Crossroads of American," is the motto on the official Interstate Highway sign.
ReplyDeleteThey can't put their Bibles in our kitchens, and it just eats these religious bigots alive. These amateur acts of protest are like a gaggle of toddlers having a mass temper tantrum.
What they hate even more is the fact they can't scare the shit out of us with visions of Hell. By God, we'll just make everyone live in absolute fear like us!
I just got back from my homestate and I concur the official sign, while I didn't see a seal, does say, "Crossroads of America" - and no crosses or jesus references. I was born in Lake County, the only Democratic county in IN, and the one which carried it for O in 2008. Got out not a moment too soon, 38 years ago and only go back to visit family occasionally.
ReplyDeleteHello fellow Regionite:
ReplyDeleteIndiana has long been considered to be a Republican stronghold,[122][123] particularly in Presidential races, but the Cook Partisan Voting Index (CPVI) now rates Indiana as only R+5, a smaller Republican edge than is assigned to 20 of the 28 "red" states. Indiana was one of only ten states to support Republican Wendell Willkie in 1940.[46] On 14 occasions has the Republican candidate defeated the Democrat by a double digit margin in the state, including six times where a Republican won the state by more than 20%.[124] In 2000 and 2004, George W. Bush won the state by a wide margin while the election was much closer overall. The state has only supported a Democrat for president five times since 1900. In 1912, Woodrow Wilson became the first Democrat to win the state with 43% of the vote. 20 years later, Franklin D. Roosevelt won the state with 55% of the vote over incumbent Republican Herbert Hoover. Roosevelt won the state again in 1936. In 1964, 56% of voters supported Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson over Republican Barry Goldwater. 44 years later, Democrat Barack Obama narrowly won the state against John McCain 50% to 49%.[125] In the following election Republican Mitt Romney won back the state for the Republican party with 54% of the vote over incumbent Obama who won 43%.[126]
While only five Democratic presidential nominees have carried Indiana since 1900, 11 Democrats were elected governor during that time. Before Mitch Daniels became governor in 2005, Democrats had held the office for 16 consecutive years. Indiana elects two senators and nine representatives to Congress. The state has 11 electoral votes in presidential elections.[124] Seven of the districts favor the Republican Party according to the CPVI rankings; there are currently six Republicans serving as representatives and three Democrats. Historically, Republicans have been strongest in the eastern and central portions of the state, while Democrats have been strongest in the northwestern part of the state. Occasionally, certain counties in the southern part of the state will vote Democratic. Marion County, Indiana's most populous county, supported the Republican candidates from 1968 to 2000, before backing the Democrats in the 2004 and 2008 elections. Indiana's second most populous county, Lake County, strongly supports the Democratic party and has not voted for a Republican since 1972.[124] In 2005, the Bay Area Center for Voting Research rated the most liberal and conservative cities in the United States on voting statistics in the 2004 presidential election, based on 237 cities with populations of more than 100,000. Five Indiana cities were mentioned in the study. On the liberal side, Gary was ranked second and South Bend came in at 83. Among conservative cities, Fort Wayne was 44th, Evansville was 60th and Indianapolis was 82nd on the list.[127]
I do think we are winning the hearts and minds of the young voters - especially when they get to university. It is why they are now trying to tear down the Liberal Arts schools at the state universities, like Purdue's appointment of Mitch Daniels as (unqualified, but appointed by teh trustees he appointed!*(&*&) Prez of purdue.,
I live in Indiana. Lafayette. Answer to your question, no.
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