"I'm so far right I don't even believe in birth control."
I think that just about sums up the problem.
Not smart enough to trust public education, not smart enough to practice family planning, and certainly not smart enough to teach your children good math skills.
"We've studied Genesis to Joshua that's as far as we've...Not so hard on the math class. We're on..uh..we're on Bible."
Seriously how is that NOT considered child abuse in the 21st Century?
Liberal, non-religious homeschool (for high school) parent here. My kiddo's in college now, but we homeschooled for high school for educational reasons--there are several fully-accredited, educationally sound online curricula out there, and our state lets qualified high schoolers take college classes (take a test, and if the score is high enough, the student can take the college class).
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, so many of our homeschool peers were EXACTLY like this family--girls in puberty who can't multiply five times five and who are swaddled in Christian burkas for "modesty"'. Kids who absolutely are not learning civics, social studies, English, science, math. The oldest looks ready for high school and all she knows is Genesis?!?!
Yep. and they're not even capable of the homemaker role they are purportedly being groomed to be. Multiplying for baking/cooking, measuring for sewing, fractions, household budget, etc. future hubs are going to be mighty hard to find.
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DeleteAnd what about learning a foreign language or participating in discussions of ideas or current events. Or learning how to be part of a group of people working together on a project. Our public school system certainly is far from perfect but it is a vast improvement over isolating children and trying to shield them from contact with any person or idea that is different. What kind of adult citizens does most of this current spate of homeschooling produce? Some day, these coddled kids have to join the real world and get along with people they meet at work.
DeleteWhen my sister and I were growing up, we attended the local Catholic school through eighth grade and then our parents sent us to public school, so that we could meet and learn to get along with and work with people from all sorts of backgrounds. They had the right idea.
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Passing the handicap to your progeny........a time honored tradition......
ReplyDeleteSeems the parents can multiply just fine..just not with numbers. Pretty pathetic is this day and age that to some a dead end religious life is all they will have.
ReplyDeleteThat's because they don't really know where babies come from.
DeleteThey don't associate sex with babies because babies are a "gift from God".
Yes, it's such a good idea to have a child each year so you end up with 12 or 14 kids. You doom your girls to a life of nothing but child care, cooking, and housework
ReplyDeleteBut that's ok, all girls are good for is marriage and breeding as a servant to her husband in the "Quivering" movement.
Girls don't need math, science, music, or anything but a bible based curriculum
The horrible stories of abuse and enforced captivity are just so sad
http://www.nolongerquivering.com
Even more sobering when you realize these illiterate and innumerate girls are supposed to homeschool the next generation.
DeleteWow this is really sad. Raising girls to be breeders, right here in the good ol' US of A.
ReplyDeleteThe Mother seemed like she was a little embarrassed that her kid didn't know her times tables! She must have gone to public school because she knew the answer to 5X5. Wanna bet they're going to work harder on those math skills when they get home?
The fundagelical Taliban homeschooling movement really didn't get rolling until the late 1980s, so it's likely the parents attended an actual school, but they aren't passing on any of the knowledge they learned to their children.
DeleteStupid and best avoided. They’ll probably end up like that inbred clan in Australia.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the Sarah medallions in the last post, Wonkette mentioned gold ones and what a rip-off they were (I didn’t spend a lot of time on that). A donation to Walking with the Wounded, what, a penny? Prince Harry is at the South Pole walking with the wounded, and I’m getting really disgusted at how Sarah and her enablers try to attach themselves to any reputable event, with no effort on their part, and you know they’re not even invited.
My Aunt had 13 kids. Uber Irish Catholics.
ReplyDeleteMy cousin took it to the next level and married some Xtian guy. Last I heard she was on kid #6. Home school. Home made clothes. She gardens and cans food. I spoke with her brother and he told me they live in poverty and sarcastically said "Yea, God will provide."
I hope they don't vote...
Oh, I think they multiply just to vote, for folks that will yell out that Obama lies on the House floor. There is no honor is public service anymore, because fundies.
DeleteSo how is the bible supposed to help when you're at Home Depot and need to figure out how many tiles you need for the kitchen floor?
ReplyDeleteAnd how does the bible help when you're at the grocery store and need to know if you have enough money for what's in your shopping cart?
And how does the bible help when you need to keep track of a checkbook and bills?
I know that many of these homeschooling families will say that girls don't need these skills because their husbands will take care of all that, but what happens if that husband gets killed in a car accident after she's produced a houseful of kids?
And, yes, I agree that this needs to be considered child abuse.
Maybe they have visual guides for crack estimations. You need a tile per five diapers on the floor!
DeleteWhy do they need to do math so good? What use is that being barefoot and pregnant all the time, not having paused before play and whatnot? We need more good tidings and great joys (aka babies) to create thirsty markets so we can drill baby drill for God's blessed resources also there.
ReplyDeleteHilarious! Thanks!
DeleteThis is so sad. I feel bad for those poor children. The way the mother laughs and shrugs off the child's ignorance is disgusting.
ReplyDeleteI so agree. I just felt sad for that little girl.
DeleteLooks like this Christian Family is channeling The Sound of Music with their curtain dresses. So lovely. Just what the country needs is another generation of ill-educated believers in fantasy and myth.
ReplyDeletefunny thing is, it's more expensive to sew from scratch than it is to buy ready made these days. I know, I sew.
DeleteYes, I sew as well. I also buy high quality clothes (usually at a second hand store) because the stuff consumers buy at Wal-mart is cheap and falls apart. If I had more time, I would make all my own clothes. These people are only doing so to make a public statement more than to save money.
DeleteAnd if your good little home schooled Christian child captive is rebellious, or too outspoken, or difficult, you can send them away to a modern day Magdelene laundry
ReplyDeletehttp://world.time.com/2013/02/07/the-magdalene-laundries-irish-report-exposes-a-national-shame/
Oops, they closed those, so now there is "Christian reform school"
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/13/brutal-offshore-christian-reform-school-exposed-in-new-documentary/
Your child can spend brutal 12 hour days being fed little food, and working to exhaustion, because that may be the only way the little wretch will ever become the right kind of faithful and obedient drone.
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"While only one student is known to have died at Escuela Caribe in a flash flood, Sugiuchi said that school officials pushed the students to the very brink of their physical endurance in order to make them more malleable and open to what she called a program of straightforward “brainwashing
I was around a couple w/12 children that were being home schooled. Needless to say, they were very religious. Some of the kids were participating in sports at the public school near them.
DeleteThe husband/father did home improvement type work and did an excellent job. The teenagers took jobs outside the home too. They were all very nice people, but I assuredly worried for them. All were very polite and well mannered. I noticed how the kids all watched out for the other - immediately helping another should the need arise.
I guess it can be said that there are pros and cons as to their life style. I tried not to judge them....they really were a nice family!
People said that the "Papa Pilgrim" family were really nice as well, and sure the kids are very polite, but Papa was an incestuous pedophile and when he went to jail the family was left without education and mentally scarred.
DeleteThat is sad.
ReplyDeleteSuch beautiful children. Imagine if they were learning what they need to learn. The parents teach their version of the Bible and nothing else??? God help us all when these kids grow up and cannot function in the real world, the world of facts and data.
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That level of stupidity makes Jesus cry.
ReplyDeletePublic education 1+1=2
ReplyDeleteHome School 1+1=2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or even 16 kids.
so they studied the bible and haven't even finished that....so what else do they do? being a mother and housewife requires an understanding of money, budget, and recipes -- all of which is math.
ReplyDeleteThey think if women have money or education then they don't have to stay in abusive marriages.
DeleteThis Palin Fangroup revills what they really want, 50 year old malnourished and inappropriately dressed women.
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Do you ever notice that the women have to wear butt ugly clothes..never pants, long hair etc. Meanwhile, the men look like everyone else.
ReplyDeleteIn this area there is a HUGE group of people who call themselves Apostolics (they have groups all over, but there are a lot here). Like this woman, they don't believe in birth control and their poor daughters are dressed in ugly homemade clothes. Men and boys wear jeans and tee shirts.
One local guy told me that he had never met his wife before the day they were married. She was from a group out west and his minister and he prayed together, and then his minister was led to call a minister he knew out west. That guy knew a girl who God told him would be perfect. They talked on the phone twice. They never even exchanged photos. Now they are married and have 8 kids in 10 years. She told me that she did not want to marry him, but her minister said God had instructed her to, so she did. She also said it makes their marriage easy, as she can't ever argue with him, since he was God's choice, not hers. I could not even think of a sane answer for such stupidity.
To me, that is the very definition of a cult.
DeleteFor some kids, home-schooling is the answer -- child's development issues or family circumstances (homesteading. I know you Calvert!). However, as a society we have a right to demand certain competencies, like math, ability to read and to reason. Home schoolers should be expected to pass tests for teaching and their kids for competency. They can teach all the Bible they want as long as the kids can function. Based on this poor child's performance, she couldn't even buy meat in a grocery.
ReplyDeleteAs a teacher, I absolutely agree about setting strict standards for homeschooling. I understand that there are many valid reasons to choose homeschooling, and many families can do it successfully.
DeleteHowever, those are usually the families that choose it for reasons other than isolating their children from the outside world and preparing their girls for being nothing more than baby machines. The families like the one in the video need to be held accountable for providing an education that prepares the children with the skills they need for life.
Calvert has an academic homeschool program that teaches valuable, educationally-sound things, and has teachers on staff available to monitor schoolwork and answer questions. The fundies flee from it in terror and prefer their own religious curricula--or worse, "unschooling", where the children decide for themselves what they want to learn. How can a child who's not allowed to watch tv or have any mainstream friends or internet have the first idea of what's out there to learn?
DeleteI'm another godless liberal but I have to say, the only homeskooling family I know (in-laws of in-laws), which homeskools because they are rightwing fundies, are raising some otherwise amazingly educated kids. My hope is that because the kids are so naturally intelligent and eager for knowledge, they will eventually cast off the shackles.
ReplyDeleteIf they're being taught to be lifelong learners, curious and do their own research, once they leave home, they will continue that pattern and may just broaden their education enough to break their indoctrination.
DeleteJust so long as they aren't sent to Liberty University or whatever that right wing fundy Xian college is.
There are now several fundie "colleges", including Liberty (where Bush hired so many of his staff), Patrick Henry, and Pensacola Christian College, where male and female students cannot use the same stairs or sit near each other, and dating is strictly forbidden.
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ReplyDeleteIt should be criminal. As far as I am concerned this is the parents religious rights interfering with the right of the child to a free education and that is a right that will better serve the child religious or not.
ReplyDeleteAnd let's not leave out the FACT that many Xtian schools and home schoolers do it so their children don't have to have a brown person in their classroom. That is the reason many "christian" schools started in the last 60's, becase of desegregation.
Actual abuse disguised as 'Christian education':
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/14/director-to-raw-story-expose-on-brutal-christian-school-cost-me-my-faith/
This isn't really about homeschooling. This is about religion. Not all homeschoolers are religious. Not all religious conservative groups home educate, but if you think a kid is going to get a better education at an Amish one room schoolhouse (which they attend only up to eighth grade) with a teenage teacher or at a conservative Mennonite private school you are delusional. LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam, Hasidic Jews, there are a lot of conservative relgious groups that deliberately restrict contact with the 'real world' for their members. If you have a problem with what these kids are or are not learning please remember to place the blame where it belongs. Religion is the reason these kids are poorly educated. Not homeschooling. My family homeschools and we are freethinkers who home educate because our local schools are consistently in the the lowest fifteen percent of schools in our state.
ReplyDeleteConservative religious groups have been isolating members for hundreds of years. Poor education for the young is a standard part of the indoctrination. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the Fundies invented this. Take the Amish for example...kids attend one room schoolhouses where they are taught by teenagers and 'graduate' after eighth grade. They specifically do not even teach science and they are very clear about keeping their kids isolated from mainstream culture. Don't make the mistake of thinking this is about homeschooling. It is not. It is about conservative religious groups and whether or not they have the 'right' to raise their kids in their traditions. If you think they do not, then you need to be prepared to take on the Amish, the Mennonites, the LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, various Islamic groups, and even conservative Catholics and Hasidic Jews. Raising kids in conservative religious groups is pretty much the same no matter what religion the group practices. Ignorance is always preferred. Homeschooling is not a religion, it's a method of education. Do you think these kids learn more when they attend the myriad Fundie private schools? No, they do not. They 'study' the same crap. It isn't about the method of education, it's about the religion.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens down the road a few generations when these idiots are having 10-20 kids, and intelligent thinkers who care about community and our earth are only having 0-2.
ReplyDeleteWhat's going to happen?
This isn't an indictment against homeschooling the vast majority of homeschoolers do a wonderful job educating their children. This is a classic example of religious indoctrination. And the family can be held accountable under educational neglect laws.
ReplyDeleteMorality "is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey."
ReplyDeleteCasting aspersions on this family (who were well mannered and polite despite the mocking tone of the interviewer in the video) does not seem to reconcile with the self-described adage on this blog. Way to spread the positive.
Wrong. This family is on a mission to out-breed and bully the rest of America into living their lives according to the whackadoodle fundigelical beliefs. Look at the Duggars, who are now running for political office to better shove their way of life down everyone's throats.
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