Wednesday, April 30, 2014

Interesting opinion about why Christians want Atheists to stay quiet about their non-belief, or better yet lie about it.

Courtesy of Salon:

 Religion relies on social consent to perpetuate itself. It’s a bad idea, and can’t stand up on its own. But it can, and does, perpetuate itself through social consent. It perpetuates itself through dogma saying that asking questions about religion is sinful, and that trusting religion without evidence is virtuous. It perpetuates itself through dogma saying that joy and meaning and morality can only be found in religion, and that leaving religion will automatically result in a desperate, amoral, pointless life. It perpetuates itself through religious communities and support systems that make believing in religion — or pretending to believe in religion — a necessity to function and indeed survive. It perpetuates itself through parents and other authority figures teaching it to children, whose brains are hard-wired to believe what they’re told. 

Religion relies on social consent to perpetuate itself. But the simple act of coming out as an atheist denies it this consent. Even if atheists never debate believers or try to persuade them out of their beliefs; even if all we ever do is say out loud, “Actually, I’m an atheist,” we’re still denying our consent. And that throws a monkey wrench into religion’s engine. 

There’s a reason that rates of atheism have been going up as use of the Internet goes up. (According to the MIT Technology Review, the dramatic drop in religious affiliation in the U.S. since 1990 is closely mirrored by the increase in Internet use — and while correlation certainly doesn’t prove causation, this analysis factors out pretty much every other possible causation.) The Internet has created a massive worldwide forum for atheists to argue about religion, to give evidence against religion, to ask for evidence and arguments supporting religion and point out how ridiculously weak they are. But the Internet has also created a massive, worldwide forum for atheists to simply, you know, exist. 

What’s more, this denial of consent has a snowball effect. As more atheists come out of the closet, more people will question religion and eventually leave it. And as they leave religion and come out about their atheism, another wave of people will question and abandon religion … and so on, and so on, and so on. 

It’s easy to ignore one person saying that the emperor has no clothes. It’s a lot harder to ignore 10 people saying it — and it’s harder still to ignore a hundred, or a thousand. 

So if you want to ignore the emperor’s nakedness, it’s not enough to just ignore it. You have to get other people to shut up about it. If you want religion to keep perpetuating itself, you have to get people to go along with it. You have to get people to fake it. 

You have to get people to lie.

Very true indeed. In fact I have seen this same thing happen right here on this blog.

Usually it arrives in a form similar to this:

"Gyphen I really enjoy your reporting on Sarah Palin (That bitch!) but I really wish you would stop attacking religion. I am sure that you realize that many of your visitors are religious, and it just makes us very uncomfortable. If you don't stop we will be forced to stop coming here every day."

If you think about this it is really quite arrogant of them. Especially since I started the Immoral Minority to talk about politics, current affairs, and, yes, religion.

It would be tantamount to going to somebody's house and saying, "I loved the casserole, and your house is quite lovely, but please stop talking about your children, or I will never come here again."

However as this article so eloquently explains, it is not that it bothers certain people that I talk about it here so much, as it is that they are afraid others are listening.

And of course, they are.

66 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:43 AM

    I'm one who doesn't like your posts on religion. Not because you are an atheist. Not because I'm uncomfortable. I'm probably an atheist too when I thnk about it. More, I don't like HOW you talk about religion. I find you judgmental, make jumps that aren't necessary and are hurtful. Not everything you say. I hear little respect from you for those who thnk differently,and I imagine you would agree you have little respect for those who believe.
    I also lack respect for SOME believers. But I hear you lumping all believers together.
    I also suspect we agree that those leaders who don't agree with the Family Counsel, Dobson, Santorum, Bachman, should speak out more. I agree the fundamental, socially conserverative Christianists are an abomination of what Christ taught. And that they hurt people.
    I wonder if you hear what I am saying. The distinction between what I'm saying, wha tyou say, and what some who want you to be silent about atheism on general principles are saying.

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    1. Anonymous5:35 AM

      You certainly don't sound like a non believer.

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    2. Anonymous6:40 AM

      I believe one of the points Gryphen was making is that it is his blog. He can post whatever he wants. If you don't want to read it, don't come here. Simple as that.

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    3. Thanks to a very religious upbringing, I too remember when I'd lie if it meant scoring points for Jesus.

      The real enemies aen't the Bachmanns and Santorums, the real enemies of religious freedom are the Obamas and Clintons who feign belief when it's obvious they're no more chained to religion than this blog is.

      Keep speaking out Gryphen. Every voice counts!

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    4. Anonymous7:38 AM

      To you I say, if you don't take the fundamentalist wing of your brand of religion to task, you are part of the problem. For religions to interfere with the secular government of the US is evil.

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    5. Anonymous8:45 AM

      Oh, poor little you. Having to hear that others don't stumble on your path following your religious views. Oh, poor you. BTW if you were comfortable enough in your religion my non belief shouldn't bother you at all. Religion is a scam and always has been, used to control the masses with promises of a happier life if they only obeyed their masters in this life. Sorry, I have no masters controlling my life except myself.

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    6. Leland8:51 AM

      Hey Mark? Can you possibly back up your statement concerning the Obamas and the Clintons? I would be interested in knowing what information you have and from where you got it.

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    7. Anonymous9:36 AM

      I partly agree with you Mark at 6:50am. In my world, exceptional people, exceptionally smart people, high achievers and leaders such as the Obamas and Clintons simply couldn't be stupid enough to be fleeced by religion, how could they? However, in this country, unfortunately, even smart people who know better must pander to the religion of the majority if they wish to get elected. I do not have evidence that the Obama's and Clintons are not "real" christians, however given their high level of intelligence I'd have to hope that they weren't buying into a bronze-age creation fable.

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    8. Anonymous10:06 AM

      @Mark 6:50 am
      Please explain how you tell if anyone is feigning their faith? Could it be that they just don't tread on others freedoms of religion( which means for or a choice to not practice any).
      I will be waiting on pins and needles for your answer to spot the feigners.

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    9. Anonymous2:14 PM

      Maybe he thinks Obama and Clinton are too smart to be believers.

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    10. Leland, how can you tell if someone is feigning their faith? First you have to understand that faith. In my case I grew up in a strict Lutheran home where I received four hours of formal Bible instruction a week until I was 14, plus attending church services. I've also read the Bible a couple of times and have studied the differences between the different Christian sects. The most obvious thing any observer would note would be the vast gulf between the actual teachings of Jesus Christ and the actions of his followers. It is next to impossible to reconcile the votes of most elected officials with those teachings. There was no Sermon on the Mount talking points about cutting taxes or social services.

      Secondly, I worked in Democratic politics for many years. The amount of godliness on your average Democratic political campaign is for the most part undetectable, even with an electron microscope. Swearing and blasphemy are two of the most noticeable constants and I should point out these observations come from campaigns I worked on in Iowa, not New York. Or that the one politician I was exposed to who took the Lord's name in vain constantly was considered to be one of the highest profile Christian politicians of his generation.

      But the actual things I witnessed that convinced me that few powerful people on the left are people of faith? Without exception those are stories I will not share with you. Everyone is entitled to privacy, just as everyone is entitled to be skeptical when public pronouncements of faith are not mirrored by public action. It shouldn't be surprising to learn that politicians profess to lifestyles that their support staff rarely witness.

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  2. Anonymous4:46 AM

    I experience you as prosylizing athetism much the way some Christians proselytize - with disrespect and hositility towards the beliefs of others. That's what bothers me.

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    1. Anonymous7:39 AM

      Don't lie it, don' read it. Your fingers are free to not click on any link your eyes do not want to see.

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    2. Anonymous8:47 AM

      Don't come here, don't read it.
      Simple solution.

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    3. Anonymous9:05 AM

      I'm not sure what you are suggesting. AQre you suggesting that dissent and discussion are not wanted here? Are you suggesting that contrary views, or views that sound too contrary/uncomfortable aren't wanted here? Is this a place for sheep?

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    4. Anonymous9:06 AM

      curious - how do I not read what I don't like without reading it? I like a lot of what Gryph posts. How do I decide what to read and not rad?

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    5. Anonymous10:13 AM

      @anon at 9:06 am
      If you are so fragile as an adult that reading anything that isn't goosestepping with your religious views then I would suggest a religious blog. As for agreeing with all of Gryphens posts or not, I certainly don't. But as an adult I am okay with listening and reading different views, sometimes it challenges me to look deeply at my own views. But if, as an adult, you cannot deal with different views that is not Gryphen's problem, my problem, or anyone else's but yours. If you are so fragile in your faith that someone's non faith or commenting on the scam of organized religion then I would suggest the help of a mental health professional to get you to understand your paranoia in taking others views as an attack on you individually.

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    6. Anonymous12:18 PM

      Where do you pick up that I'm fragile and goosestepping? I wonder how comfortable you are reading my different views if you refer to them as goosestepping and see me as fragile?
      I believe I have also commented on the scam of SOME organized religion, so not sure how that makes me fragile.
      I don't get your hostility

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    7. Anonymous2:12 PM

      It's pretty simple. If you see a headline that involves religion or lack of religion, don't read any further.

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    8. Anonymous2:29 PM

      @2:12: It's pretty simple. If you see a headline that involves religion or lack of religion, don't read any further.>>>>

      Why. Are you suggesting we only read what we agree wtih? And how do I know if I agree or disagree uhtil I read it? Or do you mean that I (and I presume others) shouldn't writes posts that disagree with Gryph?

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    9. Anonymous3:47 PM

      @2:29PM yes, if you are so bothered by it them quit reading. A differing opinion is not disrespect and even if it was why should a non believer respect your religion beyond respecting your right to practice religion?

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    10. Anonymous4:50 PM

      I I understand you, if I am so bothered by Gryph's posts, I should quit reading - again, how do I know I disagree until I read it. I like a lot of what he posts. Must I stop reading all? How would you have me decide what to read and not read?

      I agree that a differing opinion is not disrespect. So why are you upset wtih my differing opinion?

      I've not suggested a non-believer should respect my religion as I don't practice any religion. I'm also wondering what is involved in respecting someone's religion beyond respecting their right to practice their religion.

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    11. Anonymous8:01 PM

      You must have been home schooled for religious reasons to be so touchy and out of touch about differing view pts, because most people learn that in kindergarten.\. BTW, Gryphen does allow freedom of speech on this blog, unlike many others, but it all comes down to you can read his blog, or not read his blog.

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    12. Anonymous6:12 AM

      I've never suggested that Gryphen doesn't allow freedom of speech.
      I choose to read his blog.
      I choose to post comments on his block.
      I'm still curious how I decide whether I want to read differing opinions BEFORE I read the opinion? which I think is what you have suggested. Is that what you have suggested?

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    13. Anonymous10:10 PM

      Well, the title of the article should have clued you in if you weren't so ignorant to have no reading comprehension skills.

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  3. “It perpetuates itself through dogma saying that asking questions about religion is sinful, and that trusting religion without evidence is virtuous.” That’s the story of my early life. I have a small stash of books from young adulthood on various religions. I wanted to compare and look for commonalities that made sense. I could never accept the virgin birth, for example, it seemed Mary was just fibbing to protect herself, or she and Joseph had been fooling around before marriage (the most likely scenario).

    After all is said and done, I accept that there are ghosts. My oldest niece sees them and discussed them at length with her grandfather (my dad). I just learned that recently. And I still consider myself a lukewarm Christian, but it seems to me that the pagan religions have as much validity; all that differs is the pomp and circumstance.

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    1. Anonymous5:39 AM

      I mean this in the spirit of sincerity and not trying to sound like a jerk:

      Has she ever been evaluated for schitzophrenia? I'm serious. It's far more likely that she's hallucinating, and if she is, she needs treatment.

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    2. Anonymous9:04 AM

      I agree with you. I think SP has a serious mental illness. Why the media, and Repubs and McCain support her illness is wrong. Unless perhaps they want to cover the manifestations of her mental illness.and label it as such.

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  4. Gryphen, please stick to your guns. It's your blog, and the very title "Immoral Minority" is a tip-off that religion is one of the problems you're tackling.

    The end of the quote from Salon is applicable here. If people want you to tone down your critique of religion and hide what you really think, they are, in effect, asking you to lie.

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  5. Leland5:25 AM

    I can understand from where you are coming, 4:43 and 4:46. I really can.

    Having said that, however, I must also repeat that old saying, "When making an omelet...."

    I must agree with Gryphen when he says - along with MANY others - that religion is a blight on Mankind and needs to be eliminated.

    But I must also say that I feel you have missed or forgotten something. At least, from MY perspective. The vast majority of the time I hear Gryphen say things about religion and I hear an unspoken word: "organized". Sometimes he uses it and sometimes he doesn't, but I ALWAYS hear it.

    There is a major difference between organized religion and someone's personal religious FAITH. I have found that those who have faith rather than embracing a particular organized religion are far more likely to live by the positive creeds espoused by Jesus or Muhammed or the Talmud.

    They LIVE their beliefs without having to spout their dogma and get others to accept it as well. And isn't that exactly what is being said above? That it is critical for the survival of any organized religion to convince - one way or another - everyone it is needed?

    It may be that I am reading more into what Gryphen says, but then again....

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    1. Anonymous5:41 AM

      I appreciate your comments and respectful disagreement. Sometimes I hear what you are saying. I can understand hearing it that way and thought it is not always (and too infrequently) how I hear him.

      I also totally understand Gryphen's frustration. I probably don't go as far as you. I think some organized religion is supportive and welcoming. I think it's a subgroup of self-identified Christians - and some other religions - who are what Grphen speaks of.

      I probably wouldn't have a problem if he clarified that he was speaking of those who hit the airwaves, demonstrate at funerals, seek to bring religion into the constitutation, etc. Somtimes he does. And sometimes he lumps them all together - and too often for me, but others may have a different tolerance level.

      What I know is that as a propbable atheist, and non-practicing anything, I find it off-putting and difficult to read some of Gryphen's posts on atheism - including his assertion that if you don't like what he says about religion, then you don't like talking about religion, or his talking about religion, or atheism, as if the HOW and the SUBJECT of religions (or lack thereof) are inseparable.

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    2. angela5:42 AM

      Well said Leland!
      Organized religion can be a lot like organized crime.
      If I could have just had personal faith without the church`s
      hypocrisy when I was young. . . . I`d still be an atheist only I would have come to it later in life.

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    3. Anonymous6:14 AM

      Some organized religions (e.g. Vatican, many televangelists) are a currupt corporation. I imagine all could be, but many actively fight that.

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    4. Anonymous7:25 AM

      Living by one's "beliefs" isn't necessarily benign as you want to make it sound. There is quite a range of beliefs. Some you may not find so agreeable.

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    5. Leland8:52 AM

      @7:25

      At least they wouldn't be inculcated as part of an overall program of control.

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    6. Anonymous8:54 AM

      6:14am
      I am very interested in knowing about any people "fighting" organized religion, please name a few. And if they collect money while "fighting" then they are one and the same.

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    7. Anonymous9:02 AM

      I agree tha living by "one's belief's" isn't always benign. I wonder wher eyou heard me say that. I also don't think it's always nefarious.

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    8. "I must agree with Gryphen when he says - along with MANY others - that religion is a blight on Mankind and needs to be eliminated." Many bloody, murdering governments have tried putting this policy into effect. Maybe you could find one and be in charge of a firing squad or a re-education camp.

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  6. Anonymous5:43 AM

    I'm perfectly fine with no religion. I have never felt faith, nor gone to church as an adult. My husband has always been an athiest, but I had a hard time coming out as one, even though I didn't believe. This article pretty much sums up exactly what I experienced. I finally feel it is ok to say I'm an athiest.

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  7. Anonymous5:43 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDD-rlVAEw#t=146

    "If you vote Republican, you're going to hell."

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  8. Anonymous6:06 AM

    Doubt.

    People spend much time, effort, prayer, and a good chunk of their income on an Eternal Life Insurance Policy that is underwritten only on faith not facts.

    I am a gardener and a humanist. My Catholic neighbor was telling me about the gardens in heaven and his catholic faith was the right way to get there. I didn't respond. However, when I am dead I am done. Laid to rest and back to the earth for all time remaining. No hoe or hose required.

    RJ in Brownbackistan

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    1. Sounds to me like he was doing exactly what the above article says is done!

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    2. Anonymous7:27 AM

      How do you know, any more than your Catholic neighbor does? You could both be totally wrong.

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    3. Anonymous10:21 AM

      @anon 7:27 am
      Why does the neighbor feel he needs to push his religious views onto his neighbors? Why when looking at a garden would he push religion. BTW in the RCCC prothelizing is NOT allowed for lay people, sounds like the neighbor knows nothing about his own religion.

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    4. Anonymous10:27 AM

      @anon 7:27 am
      Why does the neighbor feel he needs to push his religious views onto his neighbors? Why when looking at a garden would he push religion. BTW in the RCC prothelizing is NOT allowed for lay people, sounds like the neighbor knows nothing about his own religion.

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  9. Maple6:58 AM

    "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly" -- Benjamin Franklin

    Of course, this applies not just to religious faith. However, for many, many people, religious faith is a source of personal comfort -- the operative word here being "personal". Those of us who have no faith in an omnipotent being are mighty tired of being looked down upon, tired of the epithet "godless", or "heathen" as if we have no moral compass. Isn't it strange that the vast majority of those incarcerated in the U.S. "claim" Christianity as their faith. Something like only 2% declare themselves as atheists. Hmmmmm -- who's talking about moral compass???

    Gryphen, this is your blog and certainly your right to discuss anything you want. For those who claim to be offended, why on earth are they reading it?

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    1. Anonymous9:01 AM

      I read it because despite the fact that I cringe sometimes at his attitude, I also like a lot of what he says and posts. I don't require complete agreement with someone to listen to them. I also don't want to be silenced if I disagree, as some sort of troublemaker.

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  10. " I'd lie if it meant scoring points for Jesus"

    - sounds like you missed the point

    "real enemies of religious freedom are the Obamas and Clintons"

    - um...what?

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  11. Anonymous8:40 AM

    I do have to disagree with your statement about us "coming to your house" and you speaking about your children.

    A more apt comparison would be a vegetarian comes to your house and you repeatedly expressing how stupid, pointless, moronic, etc. that belief may be.

    The vegetarian isn't affecting how you eat, but you can't simply let the vegetarian *be* without judgement and borderline ridicule.

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    1. That analogy only works if the vegetarians are packing political offices all over the country and attempting to legislate that everybody must eat like them, and that those who don't are going to be punished for all eternity by bovine devils.

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    2. Anonymous9:09 AM

      Oh I know some vegetarians that are almost as bad as proselytizing religious people....

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    3. lostinmn3:57 PM

      As a long time vegetarian I can tell you matter of fact. Those vegetarians who preach and judge are no different then the fundie's who call themselves christians. A judgmental and shaming vegetarian is probably sitting there wishing to hell they could be chowing down on those burgers on the grill but they are so insistent on their "mission" they forget it's people freedom to choose what they eat. On the other side of the coin I've been harassed, made fun of, shamed, dismissed, ridiculed, and generally been subject to BS until I walked out a few times by meat eaters who seemed threatened by my choice not to eat meat.

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  12. Anonymous8:42 AM

    Funny that religious people feel so free to preach to me everywhere, at the grocery store, on the street, and yes, even going so far as knocking( or trying to) on my own door. But yet if anyone disagrees with their views talks ( gasp) they are being attacked!

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  13. Anonymous9:08 AM

    I don't care what religious people do as long as they keep it to themselves. I identify as Atheist only when asked, I do not go door to door annoying others and trying to convince them to join my spiritual journey. If religious people wouldn't be so "in your face" about it, people might cut them some slack.

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  14. Anonymous9:17 AM

    I'm not a believer but I'm not a nonbeliever either. No one who has died has ever come back and told us whether there was an afterlife, so I'm hedging my bets, but judging from the unusual things that happened right after various of my relatives died, including a very clear message to one relative who did not know that the message-delivering person had recently died, if I do believe in anything, it's that there is an afterlife of some sort. I have also read some very interesting and pretty convincing cases "suggestive" of reincarnation, as the highly regarded scholar/psychiatrist, the late Dr. Ian Stevenson, who spent many years investigating them, put it in a book title.

    So I am strongly inclined, based on the evidence, to believe that our physical bodies are not all there is to us and that we do have a spark that survives after our bodies crap out. However, it doesn't then follow that there is a judgmental god presiding over the process, nor that the Christian version of the resurrection myth is anything but hooey... an attempt to instill fear in people and make them easier to control. Christianity's very thin veneer of turn-the-other-cheekness is always ready to crack and then mutate into an excuse for hate and violence.

    But again that doesn't mean the smug, self-righteous "Sarah Palin isn't a REAL Christian" crowd don't piss me off, too. Since the gospels documenting Jesus's life were written many years after he supposedly lived, and there is precisely zero -- yes, ZERO -- historical evidence that "Jesus Christ" even existed, there is really nothing to stop anyone from making up their own form of Christianity. It's totally imaginary regardless. That's what I 100% do believe.

    As for Gryphen, his blog, his rules. No, I don't always agree with him and I do think that atheists are perfectly as capable of being close-minded and arrogant as Christianists. But I feel much more comfortable with the former.

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  15. Anonymous9:27 AM

    I'm a believer in Christ, and a trying-to be 'doer' of the Word.

    Now, why do I come here? Because I can rarely find honest discussion on blogs anywhere else. Gryphen and others are totally honest in their quests and beliefs. It helps me to express my honest feelings, where otherwise, they would be seen as proselytizing. What I have witnessed and experienced in Christ in my own life helps me not to take myself so seriously and helps me to try and understand others and see that we are all the same, human.

    We all, atheist, religious, have the freedom to make our choices. (so far) If christianity, for instance, is what it really says it is, per the Bible and the Trinity, then, it will speak for itself, it doesn't need vainglorious men to stand in the gap. The christian walk in the bible has been completely disassembled and re-programmed by capitalist greed. The real christian message has been diluted to some form of government in itself.

    Sharing and enforcing are two different things. What is scary is the talk about an enforced state/church run government. At least we can still come here to express our individualism and hope that 'choice' and 'freedom' will prevail.

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  16. Anonymous9:40 AM

    Damnmit Gryph, you just scared a bunch of theocratic trolls out from under the toll bridge on the road to hell or the perpetual family reunion in the sky. Dead End ahead.

    RJ in Brownbackistan

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  17. Unfortunately, for those of us who do believe, these times are very difficult to defend our faith. Atheists and agnostics have called out many truths about religion. They are correct in their assessment that religion has used more violence, misogyny and oppression as acceptable tools of their design. As many have posted today and other times, religion is too often being used as a weapon to intimidate, to justify discrimination, persecution and hateful ideals in the name of their religion. It is a shameful position to profess when you advocate “pro-life” yet send our young people to unwarranted war, allow if not demand children be born into poverty without the dignity of adequate life sustaining and nurturing support, deny families assistance in dire times yet protect or worry about how the “job creators” would be impacted or burdened with a tax rate that equals, at the very least, that which is paid by the middle class. These kinds of Christians do not walk the walk nor follow the Ten Commandments. I am a sinner who happens to live in a glass house, but I work each day to be worthy in His eyes.

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      I don't understand the concept of being "worthy" in the "eyes" of a supreme being who supposedly created you - and created you human. Talk about a fucking no-win situation.

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    2. Anonymous10:36 AM

      I am not being snotty or mean, but I would truly like to know why you would feel you need to defend your faith? Isn't your faith something personal? The word defend indicates that somehow if someone has a differing view is an attack on your view. Why would anyone else's views for themselves be seen as an attack on yours?

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    3. You are right, one should not feel the need to defend one's faith. But, when folks like Sarah Palin, Westboro Baptist Church members, Paul Ryan, Michelle Bachman completely misrepresent Christianity with their Christian dogma, I believe many think they need to remind others that "Hey that is NOT how all Christians think."

      Gosh, I am really being made to ponder my post. I understand the point of being "worthy" a no win situation. I also believe that being worthy in His eyes is more a desire to live by the golden rule, do no harm, live and let live. One question that I have wondered about often from the time I understood the concept of Hell is -- If God is so forgiving.....WHY is there a Hell?

      Finally, I meant to write, I am a sinner who lives in a glass house and that is why I try not to throw stones ( notice I said try...) You guys are a thought provoking crew!

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    4. Be ye here notified: "Hell" is only a concept created and promulgated by man to scare folks into behaving -- nothing less, nothing more.

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    5. Anonymous3:49 PM

      I have often been part of thought provoking discourse with people who are on the other side of an issue with me on this blog, I find it refreshing to have intelligent conversation :)

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  18. Embracing atheism is a true act of bravery, and I'm still working on it.
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    In addition to the misery organized religion brings, let’s admit it offers some comforting promises though. All of us like the notion that we'll one day see lost loved ones again. Which of us doesn't have an "I'm sorry" or an "I love you" we want another chance to pay in some paradise? Or simply encounter those individuals again, already understanding where our hearts were? Who wants to tell the grieving relatives of 9/11 and Newton massacre victims, "Nope, those loved ones are dust and bones now, no chances in some next life, face it?"
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    Atheism also means doing without satisfying vengeance, no reassurance in some next life we'll know humanity's monsters are toasting in flames, that the end of their own mortal lives is the limit of justice to be had. Does that settle accounts for the surviving parents of a murdered child, especially if the criminal took his own life, by choice and by his own means?
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    Religion's easiest sell is that "God will put it all right in the great by and by" but it doesn't have to prove it to people grasping for any comforting hope.
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    “There are no atheists in foxholes,” they’re fond of saying. And they’re too depressingly correct: when people are scared shitless, they’ll embrace any fairytale you’re selling that provides some relief. Fear is religion’s most useful tool. It employs one type to foster adherence, while promising to ameliorate others.

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  19. Anonymous11:07 AM

    Religion is a mental disease fueled by willful delusion and complacency.

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  20. "It would be tantamount to going to somebody's house and saying, "I loved the casserole, and your house is quite lovely, but please stop talking about your children, or I will never come here again."

    Maybe it's more like, "I loved the casserole, and your house is quite lovely, but please stop throwing out vicious verbal attacks against me as if I wasn't standing right here trying to participate." All you spewing hatred should examine yourselves while you're busy condemning and passing judgement. Hypocrites.

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