So below are some citizen reports that were phoned in to the police of Kalamazoo, Michigan:
The first caller reports seeing a "Caucasian man with white hair and pajama pants walking with what looks like and AK-47."
A second caller says he saw an older man walking down the street with what looked to be an assault rifle, although he admits it could also be a pellet or BB gun. He says the man had the gun up by his shoulder and "didn't look dangerous or nothing." The dispatcher asks if the gun is in the man's hands, to which the caller replies it is not. "He's an elderly man and I just want to make sure everything's all right," he says.
A third caller gives police more cause for alarm. "There's an older gentleman carrying what looks like a large semi-automatic rifle through the streets," the male caller says. "He does appear to be intoxicated; he's stumbling around a little bit and kind of bumping into some stuff."
KDPS Sgt. Sean Gordon is the first officer on the scene and observed the man with a gun slung across his shoulder and jaywalking across the street in a state of intoxication.
He carefully makes contact with the individual:
Gordon: Hey partner, how you doing? Can you set that down real quick and talk to me?
Houseman: I'm not setting it down.
Gordon: Well you can't cross the street like that.
Houseman: Am I being detained?
Gordon: Yes, you are being detained right now. You crossed the street illegally. Place the weapon down on the ground please.
Houseman: I will not.
Gordon radios that it appears the man will not drop his rifle.
Gordon: "Look, you crossed the street illegally; I just want to talk to you. I just want to talk to you. You're walking around here scaring people, man.
A second Public Safety vehicle arrives just after 4:11 p.m. About a minute later, Gordon asks Houseman for his name. Houseman says he is "Joe Schmoe."
"Based on training and experience I know that this is a euphemism used as an alias and knew it was not correct," Gordon would later write in his report.
Houseman: I am free to go?
Gordon: "No, you're not free to go. Right now you're committing a crime of resisting and obstructing (for failing to identify himself after being stopped for jaywalking). Now you've stepped up to a misdemeanor crime.
Houseman: Why don't you (expletive) shoot me?
Gordon: I don't want to shoot you; I'm not here to do that.
As the interaction continues Houseman calls the officers "gang members" and mentions a coming "revolution." Which you may all remember is the same language used by those cop killers in Nevada.
More officers arrive, including SWAT, but the police continue to negotiate with Mr. Houseman and avoid the use of force.
Another officer takes the lead, KDPS Lt. Stacey Geik, who finally convinced Houseman to lay down his weapon, which turns out to be empty.
He then has the following exchange with Houseman:
Geik offers to allow Houseman to walk home and retrieve his rifle the following day, or to drive him home and continue the discussion there. Houseman declines both offers.
Geik: But you're not stable mentally, which now takes you away from that rifle.
Houseman: I'm not stable mentally? How do you decide that?
Geik: You're damn right. How did this happen with open carry? What are you supposed to do when you contact law enforcement? Do you say, 'I hate you mother(expletive), (expletive) you? I hate you, there's a revolution coming.' Do you say that? Is that what you're taught?
Houseman: It was wrong of me.
Houseman agains asks for his gun back. Geik tells him he wants to make sure he isn't a risk to himself or others.
Geik: You saying (expletive), (expletive), (expletive) and yelling across the street with a rifle in your hands ...
Houseman: That's my First Amendment right.
Geik: No it's not. You can't swear.
Houseman: That's bull---. I can threaten you if I want to.
Geik: That's incorrect.
Houseman: I can threaten you. I can threaten you're family. I didn't threaten your family, I said I could.
Unidentified officer: You said a war was coming.
Houseman: I didn't say a war was coming.
Unidentified officer: You said a revolution is coming.
Houseman: Think about it. You know it is.
My first thought is that the Kalamazoo police are very patient people.
My second thought is that these idiots need to stop quoting the Constitution until they have somebody sit down and explain it to them.
And my third thought is that if these assholes keep talking about a revolution they are going to find themselves yelling that kind of crap through iron bars.
This idiot is very lucky he did not end up looking like a chunk of Swiss cheese, but if this keeps up there is definitely going to come a time when an abrasive Open Carry advocate runs into an irritable police officer and then shit is going to get real.
Good thoughts, Gryphen, but I'll add that if these infantile Rambo-wannabes actually try to pursue a "revolution", they'll suddenly look up and see a pretty little drone whirring overhead.
ReplyDeleteand unfortunately, the cop will be hassled, his job on the line or worse.
ReplyDeleteI hate these Open Carry assholes.
I commend the police of Kalamazoo; they handled a tricky situation very well. But I think the old geezer should have to have some serious education about what the Constitution means and what it doesn't mean. Maybe by a judge.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
The guy got his gun back, so the Kalamazoo police will undoubtedly get more opportunities to be patient with the guy
DeleteToo bad these idiots can not be sentenced to 2 weeks in Iraq, see how fast they lose their love of guns. The 5 asses in the photo look like they could use the exercise of military training. The police were VERY patient, not sure I could stay that patient with an idiot like the drunk.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/dash_cam_footage_from_open_car.html
ReplyDeleteHas video and photos of the man and the event.
This is what $arah advocates for.
DeleteUnbelievable.
If that imbecile had been black, how long do you think the police would have talked to him?
ReplyDeleteOr Arab? Or American Indian? Or Hispanic?
DeleteZero seconds, he'd have been shot immediately.
DeleteAmerican terrorists scare me far more than foreign terrorists. They could be right around the corner from your child's playground, anytime, anywhere.
DeleteThey live among us.
Right-Wing Christians Take It To a New Low By Handing Out Guns In Churches
ReplyDeleteLast month at the Lone Oak First Baptist church in Paducah, Kentucky, a line of people wrapped around the building waiting anxiously to get inside, but not because they sought spiritual guidance from Jesus Christ’s teachings, but to win one of the twenty-five guns being raffled off. One may be inclined to think Lone Oak First Baptist is an aberration among churches purported to be “followers of Christ,” but according to the Kentucky Baptist Convention, handing out human-killing weapons is the best way to get people into church. Last year there were at least 50 “Christian” church gun giveaways in Kentucky alone, and an official at Lone Oak Baptist said handing out free guns is a rallying point to bring people to Christ.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/16/right-wing-christians-handing-guns-churches.html
Banned In Fresno: Veterans Demand Fox News Be Turned Off – Fox News Whines, Goes Berserk (Video)
ReplyDeleteParticularly disturbing was the framing of this phony whining about censorship by the Fox & Friends crew, where co-host Brian Kilmeade packaged the segment as “Abandoned Brothers.” They actually employed language generally reserved for prisoners of war or fallen soldiers on the battlefield to describe people waiting to get their prescriptions filled in a downtown Fresno drug store who weren’t able to watch a gaggle of Fox News blondes in short skirts mutilate journalism.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=16756
Man arrested after threats saying he’s the next Elliot Rodger and will kill ‘only women’
ReplyDeleteA Seattle man who idolized Elliot Rodger, and threatened to shoot ‘only women’ was arrested at the University of Washington. Keshav Bhide, 23, used YouTube and Google+ to praise Rodger, the young man who killed college students last month, saying in one message that “everything Elliot did is perfectly justified.” Rodger posted videos before the shooting rampage in which he blamed his problems solely on women and promised to slaughter them.
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/06/17/man-arrested-after-threats-saying-hes-the-next-elliot-rodger-and-will-kill-only-women/
Some here speculated that had Rodger been a non-white he would have been arrested as soon as the statements became know.
DeleteThe guy you posted about, Keshav, was arrested as soon as the statements were discovered. He's NOT white!
If this old drunk idiot hadn't been white he would have been shot and killed.
ReplyDeleteHow come all of these "Open-Carry" are white ?
ReplyDeleteIs it because they're all racists ?
Or is it because, even deep in their delusion, they realize a non-white "Open-Carry" would last a split second before being gunned down by police ?
If that man had been any other color than white, he would have been "Swiss-cheesed" within the fraction of a minute.
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ReplyDeletehttp://mashable.com/2014/06/12/bulletproof-blanket/
I watched the 10 minute video of this incident last night and was amazed at how much patience the police officers showed. The man was clearly unstable, either from mental illness, intoxication or both. He was swearing at the officers, carelessly switching the rifle from hand to hand, grabbing his crotch and shaking his 'stuff' at the group.
ReplyDeleteThe police persisted until they finally convinced him to put down the gun so they could approach and confiscate the weapon. What infuriated me about the incident was that no charges were pressed against him. He was allowed to walk home and claim his gun at the station the next day.
We all know that the ONLY reason this nut was not charged with a crime was because the Kalamazoo DA was afraid of this turning into a Second Amendment civil rights case with the accompanying circus like they had at the Bundy ranch. I'm sure that the NRA and gun nuts around the country are SO proud that this idiot got away with terrorizing a town and wasting police resources because of a fear of frivolous lawsuits.
Congratulations, NRA and Open Carry advocates, a drunk old man in pajamas, waving his semi-automatic rifle in one hand and his penis in the other is now your Official Mascot.
No charges were filed and the police were beyond patient because the nutter was white.
DeleteOther recent Kalamazoo Police officer involved shootings.
ReplyDeleteFebruary 7 2014:
"When Kalamazoo police arrived at his apartment Friday, Brad Mason made his intention clear to his girlfriend.
"The police are here for me. They are going to have to kill me," Mason said to her, according to Kalamazoo Public Safety Chief Jeff Hadley.
Minutes later, Mason was shot by police after he moved toward them pointing an Airsoft pistol and refusing their commands to drop the weapon.
...Police sought to question Mason after he was identified as a suspect in an abduction and sexual assault of 24-year-old woman early Wednesday near Fairview and University streets."
www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/02/kalamazoo_police_shooting.html
"In January 2013, Jacob Grassley, 34, was shot by officers at a Best Western Hotel on Cork Street as he rushed inside the hotel and refused commands to stop. Officers believed Grassley was armed at the time although it was later determined he was not.
In March 2011, Chad Harris, 42, was shot and killed by police in the 1800 block of Greenlawn Avenue. Harris lunged at officers with a large knife when they shot him. Harris had called police and told a dispatcher that he would shoot the first officer who arrived on the scene.
Gryphen, try to look at the bright side:
ReplyDeleteYou get an intoxicated old constitutional scholar like this chucklehead staggering down the street chanting
This is my rifle
and this is my gun
One is for fighting
and the other's for fun
you got a 95% chance the guy won't be wearing pants, yet the story CLEARLY indicated the man - easily mistaken for a member of the International Suicide By Cop Club - was wearing always-fashionable pajama bottoms. It's a win-win!!
Another example of how you always look for the negative in everything you post. I feel sorry for you. smh
Here's a simple rule provided by the NRA on how to determine if someone pointlessly carrying a gun in public is a threat: If there's a reasonable chance the armed individual could POSSIBLY be descended from the original Mayflower colonists - wink! - he's not a threat until you can see a bullet start making its way down the barrel. Until that happens he's just another paunchy middle-aged Amercian patriot upholding the Second Amendment - that our Foundling Fathers fought and died for - and planning for the coming violent overthrow of the current Obama-led Kenyan Sharia Occupational Government, also, too.
They are against any gun control, but they really also should be for STUPID control!
ReplyDeleteI guess this guy was lucky the police officer in Kalamazoo showed such restraint. Had this happened in Albuquerque, he'd have been shot. I'm not sure that would have been so terrible.
ReplyDeleteThe reason those cops were so patient with that guy (FOURTY MINUTES LONG!!!) was that they were wearing those little lapel- mikes... Every law enforcement district that has started to use those has seen a HUGE decrease in cops shooting citizens and in complaints against cops...
ReplyDelete(That, and, of course, the guy was WHITE...)
I'm a student of history, mostly because I'm afraid that we in the US tend to repeat it. I'm still going to use the tired BUT factual example of Wyatt Earp. Even though he wasn't the big lawman he's portrayed as, he was only ever a deputy who had to report to someone, he also knew that if the idiot is drunk, hit him in the head with the gun barrel, knock him out, and you have another customer for tomorrow, and you can do it all over again, but the town makes money in fines. That may be what they were thinking, or maybe not. Sometimes you just want to end it, go home, and get laid, nothing like sex on an adrenaline rush!!!
ReplyDeleteTap Duncan
This guy was damned lucky he got a police officer who had patience and compassion. Some cities don't have enough officers on the street or a high rate of cop killing, I can't imagine this same scenario happening under different circumstances.
ReplyDeleteOT Here's empirical proof that guns are extremely dangerous for children
http://aattp.org/here-is-the-overwhelming-empirical-evidence-that-guns-endanger-children/
And BENGHAZI SUSPECT says it WAS the video
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/benghazi-suspect-says-yes-it-was-video