Courtesy of HuffPo:
The gun safety group funded by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will air a dramatic television ad in three key states and Washington, D.C., on Tuesday to pressure key Republican senators to support new gun restrictions for domestic abusers.
The 30-second ad by Everytown for Gun Safety features a man trying to break into his ex's house with a gun as she frantically calls the police. The man kicks the door in, grabs the woman's crying baby and points the gun at the woman's head. The gunshot can be heard as the video cuts out and directs viewers to text a number for information about stopping violence against women.
Okay I don't know about the rest of you but I found that ad to be quite powerful and compelling.
And it is dead right that despite what you might hear from the NRA and Ammosexuals about guns stopping crime and violence, the majority of gun deaths do NOT come at the hands of people protecting themselves or their property.
It comes at the hands of people either handing guns carelessly, or trying to to actively harm another person who is NOT posing any threat to them.
And don't forget that the NRA is currently fighting against legislation that would keep guns out of the hands of those convicted of stalking or domestic violence.
After all this is America. And in America EVERYBODY deserves to have access to a gun.
Right?
Good way to trigger flashbacks.
ReplyDeleteOops. good point.
DeleteMy comment wasn't aimed at you, G. But thanks for putting up the warning.
DeleteMy point was having this ad blast out from one's TV might be a real problem for many people. Not to mention children seeing it. I can't imagine what was going on in the minds of the people that planned this ad.
5:11 PM
Delete"I can't imagine what was going on in the minds of the people that planned this ad."
Reality.
@10:55 "Reality"
DeleteGood point. This could produce a whole new genre of advertising. We could see a child a cowering in a corner, as a man's hand reaches for his pants zipper. Or a nice ad showing children playing in their school yard as a the barrel of a gun rises up and we look through the sights at the kid at the top of the slide. How about an ad showing gang members beating up some kid that didn't run fast enough.
Ads like these are just what every 5 year should see.
@ 5:47
DeleteLooking at it from a different angle, however, if occurrences like you describe were NOT happening a lot, then we wouldn't NEED ads like that!
But let's look at your perspective. What would YOU suggest be done to curb the things actually happening.
@6:36 Nah, you first. List all your suggestions and I'll tell you which ones make the grade. Because when "you think we NEED ads like that", I am pretty your suggestions will be good for a chuckle.
DeleteNope. Pass. YOU made the initial statement. I counter argued and asked for alternative suggestions. The ball is in your court. You don't want to respond? Tough. Not my problem. I already gave you my point.
Delete@9:54 no suggestion? wuss.
DeleteIt seems like I read about a family member murdering his entire family every day. Sadly, it's become common for a man (usually) to kill his wife/girlfriend. Add in the accidental shootings and suicides by gun, and you have even more deaths by gun. Of course well never know how many deaths by guns there are because the NRA doesn't want us to know.
ReplyDeleteHhhmmm. While I dislike the NRA as much as the next guy, ANYBODY can look up the annual gun death statistics. It only takes a tiny bit of effort. Google "Annual gun deaths" and you will get tons of sites able to give you that info.
DeleteLet's not get TOO carried away with the conspiracy theories, okay?
NRA blocks CDC's request for research in gun deaths
Deletehttp://www.propublica.org/article/republicans-say-no-to-cdc-gun-violence-research
The same laws Bloomberg is trying to promote with this ad could prevent the mother in the commercial from legally defending herself and her family. What law would prevent this attacker from doing exactly what he does in the ad? What is she supposed to do faced with that kind of deadly threat - a gun in her face? Dosn't look like that guy is very concerned about breaking some gun law.
ReplyDeleteA parent with a young child should ONLY have a gun if it is kept unloaded and locked in a secure location. If that is the case, it is highly unlikely in the scene depicted, that the woman could get the gun, load it, and use it on the assailant while simultaneously trying to protect her child.
DeleteThe alternative is to keep loaded weapons readily accessible...in a home where there are young children. The odds are much greater that the children will be hurt or killed by the weapons than they will be used to protect against the attacker.
There is no reliable or correct stastistic available that supports a gun, properly stored with consideration of children's safety in a home, is more likely to be a hazard to the innocent than an attacker. There are many available gun safes with very quick access methods designed for just such a situation. Another possibility, widely taught by self-defense experts including law enforcement is to simply carry the firearm on her person where she has immeaditate and complete control of it. If a real Mom was faced with such a deadly threat as portrayed and she followed the 'don't keep a gun in the house' recommendation, what should she do? Just wait and get shot? Owning a gun for self-defence and knowing how to properly use it is not rocket-science. Nearly anyone can learn to do so. Police do this everyday and thousands of everyday people do too including moms.
DeleteAfter watching the video several times, what is obvious- besides being poorly edited- is that the police are rarely there when you need them and had she been armed and prepared, perhaps she could have defended herself instead of being a defenseless victim.
DeleteOf course women should tuck a gun into their bathing suit while swimming. A woman knows that she is supposed to be prepared to kill an attacker at any moment. Having a gun in your home is quite useless when you don't stay in your home 24/7.
DeleteAnd letting your kids out of arms reach, leaves them in the position of defenseless victims. A killer could shoot one of them at any minute. A woman must be able to kill anyone that threatens her child at any time. What kind of horrible mother wouldn't be armed and near her child 24/7.
Meanwhile, the abuser nails her from 50 yards his handy-dandy rifle with the laser sighting system.
"...to pressure key Republican senators to support new gun restrictions for domestic abusers."
DeleteThe last three words are the key to your query. "FOR DOMESTIC ABUSERS." They also have the tendency to disagree with what you said.
You said: "The same laws Bloomberg is trying to promote with this ad could prevent the mother in the commercial from legally defending herself and her family." Can you be so good as to explain how a law preventing "domestic abusers" from acquiring a firearm legally can stop a person from being able to protect herself and/or her family?
I'm not being sarcastic. I would just like to know how you came to that conclusion.
If someone is an adjudicated domestic abuser under federal law they can not currently own or posess a firearm. What would this new law accomplish that current laws don't . Plenty of convicted abusers and criminals have this restriction upon them now but they still can buy, steal, or aquire a weapon including firearms to do exactly what the man in the PSA does. The point is no law will ever stop an even moderately motivated abuser. The potential victim needs easy access to defensive tools. That's a God given right. 20,000 plus current laws simply do not stop criminals or abusers but they do very frequently encumber the potential victim from quick, easy, and affordable access to a firearm. Pretty good reason to put that gauranteed right without infringement in the Bill of Rights. Would the legislation specifically being promoted in the ad be some kind of roadblock to the mother portrayed from getting a legal firearm? Maybe not but what's the point of creating another redundant jurisdictional gun law that abusers just find a workaround and commit their crime anyway? In the ad he's committing murder. Why would he care about breaking a 'can't buy a gun legally because he's a convicted abuser' law? There are laws enacted and proposed that are intended to keep guns out of criminal hands but at the same time make it very hard or at least create a delay for instance a stalking victim from getting legal access to a firearm for protection.
DeleteSee: Shannon O'Malia Hall
ReplyDeletehttp://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2014/07/27/carmel-couple-die-apparent-murder-suicide/13255503/
DeleteHappened right here in my community.
Billionaire Bloomberg who surrounds himself with a heavily armed security detail because he does actually know that being armed really is the best security you can have, he just doesn't want the average Joe to be able to protect himself. The video is a massive fail, it should be shown to everyone, and studied and disected by society at large as an example of how special interests endorsed by the likes of Bloomy think they can use fear tactics to take away your rights.
ReplyDeleteNo one is taking away your rights. But why should an abuser have access to guns? That is what the law is about. But your gang sees every sane attempt at registration and restricting criminals as taking your guns. Go ahead. Keep them. Just don't expect any sympathy when someone you love is shot with them.
Deletethe smaller the penis the bigger the gun (talk).
DeleteConvicted stalkers and domestic abusers are NOT average Joes, so stop with the hyperbole, Sissypants.
DeleteOf course, the standard IM dogpile anytime an independent thought occurs that doesn't fall into line with the group think, replete with the standard verbal assault and name calling. I thought you socially advanced folks would be against bullying, no? Regardless, nothing I wrote is false. Anyone dumb enough to fall for scare tactics from the likes of Bloomberg is free to give up their rights on their own as they obviously have no respect for them as it is. Like I said, show it to everyone including kids, so that we can have open discussions to better identify and understand how fear tactics are used in media to usurp individual rights in all aspects of society.
Delete@8:33 "show it to everyone including kids"
DeleteOh, not nearly enough. We need an ad showing someone with a high capacity rapid fire weapon breaking down the door of a school and looming over terrified kindergarten children. We MUST make sure every 5 year old knows that individual rights ENSURE they will die at school.
Insecurity about one's penis and compensation with a big explosive implement is a basic human right given by god(s) and enshrined in our constitution. The constitution says it in the 2nd amendment, it's in the tiny print, right between the words "well" and "regulated".
We must continue to supply mentally unbalanced individuals will all the fire power possible. Bullet proof vests for babies is the solution to all our problems.
@ 6:34
DeleteYou seem to want to forget that when the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the INDIVIDUAL's right to own firearms, it also ruled: "...that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices."
No one is demanding anything of you as long as you are a sane, non-criminal person. We are just saying that you should have to prove that you are not a threat to the rest of us.
A law preventing violent people, such as domestic abusers, from obtaining firearms which can be used in a fit of pique, is NOT an unreasonable restriction.
YOU may not like it, but the SCOTUS has ruled restrictions ARE legitimate under certain circumstances.
OT FLOTUS
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dccc.org/page/-/onemillionvotesfor2014/index.html
"studied and disected by society at large as an example of how special interests endorsed by the likes of ___NRA______ think they can use fear tactics to take away your rights."
ReplyDeleteThere fixed it for you….The NRA uses fear tactics on those who take away other people's right to life.
Nice try 7:05, but fail.
DeleteGood for Bloomberg! Someone with the balls and the money to back up and get his message across. It IS a bit too strong for young viewers and ammosexuals with micropenis syndrome, but it's reality for many women and children who have the misfortune of not realizing the testosterone fueled angry ammosexuals who think everyone wants their guns.
ReplyDeleteOT Colbert hit it out of the ballpark tonight with his coverage of SP's paid for website with videps - and to top it off HE bought thesarahpalinchannel.com !!!! (and access to it is free) can't wait to see what he does with it. LOL
ReplyDeletehttp://thesarahpalinchannel.com/
Delete'So therefore you would rather allow those convicted violent felons, mentally deranged people, violently addicted to narcotics people to have guns, rather than to have the screening process for the honest people like yourselves. Is that correct?''
ReplyDelete(Note: I didn't write this. The question was asked of the late Harlon Carter former NRA Executive Vice President at the time the question was asked at a House Judiciary Committee Hearing. Can you guess what the answer was?
Mr. Carter's response: ''A price we pay for freedom.'
http:// www.nytimes.com/1984/03/31/opinion/l-the-price-of-freedom-for-handgun-owners-089109.html
Bonus question: How old was Harlon Carter when he killed a 15 year old boy trying to kidnap him to interrogate the 15 year old and his two younger companions? Answer: 17. Killing a hispanic in 1931 in Texas? When they were "loitering near" your property? You could get away with shit like that back then.
http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/harlon-carter this is not the NRA website.
McCain Puts Damper on Palin’s Optimism: Votes Not There for Impeachment
ReplyDelete“We’re not gonna impeach the president because we don’t have 67 votes in the United States Senate in order to do so.”
Palin told Medved yesterday she’s sure there are Democrats who agree that Obama’s lawlessness needs to be reined in, but McCain told Broomhead today “there just aren’t the votes there, even if we believed it was warranted.”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/mccain-puts-damper-on-palins-optimism-votes-not-there-for-impeachment/
Poor McCain, confused again. The Senate does not impeach. What a twit.
DeleteThe video was played on "The View" today, (7/29). Three of the four ladies concluded from the Everytown ad that the mom should have had a gun. The only dissenter was the woman who apparently had never been assaulted.
ReplyDeletehttp://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/video/PL5554876/_m_VDKA0_8j9003qu
Every one on "The View" is happy to have children watching a man break down a door and threaten a women. Children need to seem more ads like this.
DeleteShe should have a gun. And your neighbor with Alzheimer's should have a gun.
DeleteShe should have a gun. She's fully qualified. She's not mentally unstable or abusing drugs. She's intelligent and clever enough to keep her psychotic 10 year old away from the gun. She practices regularly at the firing range. Her eyesight and motor control is sufficient to hit only the abuser and not a by-stander (her kids never step into the line of fire). She's wearing her bullet proof vest so it won't matter that the attacker gets in the first shot.
DeleteShe's so qualified to have a gun, we want her living in the apt. next to us. Her abuser will never shoot us. Unlike the guy in my town that killed his ex-girlfriend's co-worker who was too busy doing her job to glance up and see the gun barrel in the door way.
You all do realize that this ad is so poorly thought out - it is going to be used by pro-gun folks to show why you should have a gun for defense. Maybe that's why Bloomberg never allows comments on any posted YouTube video, including this one.
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteWarning: BEFORE clicking the link below to see what Stephen Colbert has done to Sarah Palin, make sure you do NOT have to pee or you'll very likely do it in your pants!
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/stephen-colbert-announces-he-owns