Now here's the other thing that has troubled me.
The police have said that Brown reached in through the window to attack the officer and to take away his gun.
But WHY would he do that?
All the officer was supposedly doing was telling the two men to get out of the middle of the street.
Even if Michael Brown suspected that the officer knew he had stolen some cigars, THAT is a misdemeanor and there is NO WAY that this young man is going to attack a police officer over swuch a petty crime.
So that whole scenario never made any sense to me.
What these witnesses describe, though absolutely horrendous, seems far more believable.
I like how people assume he stole cigars. He did not. The store did not call the police. Hood stores report all shoplifting to the police. Crooks and Liars has a nice analysis of what really happened.
ReplyDeleteHas it actually been proven he didn't steal them?
DeleteA bystander or internet gawker wouldn't know that.
And I doubt ALL incidents are reported.
He stole the cigars. It is not a question at all. His friend with him Dorian Johnson has even admitted to the robbery, it is on film, there is a police incident report. 4:59 is full of it.
DeleteThere's another part of the story that Michael Brown "reached into the car to take the officer's gun" that doesn't make a lot of sense: if the gun was worn on the officer's right side, that would mean Mike Brown had to reach past the cop's stomach, reach down and wrestle the gun out of the holster; or, if worn on the cop's left side, then Mike Brown would be reaching down between the door and the cop. Either scenario would be very difficult to pull off. Unless the cop had already drawn his gun. Also, why did the cop grab the kid by his throat to begin with? Is that what cops are trained to do?
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't make sense because it didn't happen that way
DeleteWhy would the police try to pull someone into the car through the window? That part does not make any sense either.
DeleteDarren Wilson spoke to Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson about being in the middle of the street. Then Wilson drove forward. He reversed the vehicle and returned to where Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson were.
DeleteThe question I have is why would a trained officer with 6 years of experience allow himself to be near enough to a person the size of Mike Brown that an a physical altercation could develop or that Mike Brown could make a grab for a gun? There was NO reason for the officer to be that close to Mike Brown. It does not make sense.
And most of the rest of the "incident" makes no sense either.
As 6:04 say, it doesn't make sense because it didn't happen that way. You folks are buying a load of BS because it fits with your agenda, whatever the hell that is.
DeleteThere's other things that bother me about Officer Darren Wilson's story. It was reported he makes $45,000 per year. He's 28 years old, bought a house currently valued at $180,000 two years ago (at 26). Got married at 25, was divorced from that wife one year ago (at 27). Has a live-in girlfriend and somewhere there's a child but I've not read whether the child is by the ex-wife or the current girlfriend who's also a Ferguson cop. Drawing a salary of $45,000 a year, buying a $180,000 house with a swimming pool and a basketball court seems kind of strange to me. Average price of houses in Crestwood, MO, are $130,000.
ReplyDeleteHaving 53 cops in a town with a population of 21,000 with a low crime rate seems odd too.
Why is the price of the house so odd? Maybe he had a very large down payment. It happens. Plus his then-wife probably worked too, so the $45,000 income would be larger. He apparently just likes having a nice home.
DeleteThe officer ratio is low compared to others cities, with just 25.2 officers per 10K population. St. Louis, nearby, has 38.4 officers per 10K population. Washington, D.C. has a whopping 65.6 officers per 10K population.
So what other distortions would you like to reach for?
I agree that he may have had a large down payment. I think it's odd that a 26 year old could afford a $180,000 house. He'll be able to afford a lot more when he scoops up the money his supporters are donating to him.
DeleteThank you for enlightening me on the ratio of policemen to population. In the small towns I've lived in, the ratio hasn't been nearly as high as Ferguson's.
Odd that a 26 yo could afford a $180,000 house? How is that odd? He has a steady income and a fulltime job that can support the payments.... is it the working full time for a living versus living off government welfare that you aren't familiar with?
DeleteThere's no type of logic at all to the police's actions. These people who saw and heard it happen didn't meet secretly before speaking, and I believe every word each of them says. Why did the police release the supposed cigar stealing incident? Was he proclaimed guilty by a court of his peers? One has nothing to do with the other.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine what these witnesses, his family and friends are going through.
Sorry, but f you "can't imagine it" you are white. and can't imagine it because white people doesn't get shot down in the street. You can't imagine it because your skin color protects you.
DeleteDarren Wilson has a lot of explaining to do.
ReplyDeleteEspecially about the wild shots that had to be dug out of a neighboring house. Was he just firing at random with no concern about innocent bystanders in the back ground ? As a hunter, the first thing you are taught is 'identify your target, and what's behind it'.
DeleteMichael Brown was hit 6 times (autopsy) - but how many shell casings were recovered by investigators ? That would be interesting to know.
Hey genius, I guess this guy wouldn't attack a police officer, after all he wast wanted for graffiti. http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t
ReplyDeleteNow the White House is sending representatives to the funeral. The officer has been found guilty just by the President's actions. So much for due process.
ReplyDeleteStupid statement. But...you can't fix stupid.
DeleteFuck you Sarah Palin
DeleteWhy would you bring an unrelated person into it?
DeleteI'm at a loss just in looking at the size difference between the men.
DeleteThis is a far less serious offense but here's a story.
DeleteI once worked with a (white) girl, 17, at a restaurant who told me that the previous day she was in Dillards. She decided to shoplift a shirt. A security guard cop caught her. She said the only thing in her mind was, "I could take him. I could run away easily right now and not be caught." But she didn't and was issued a warning I believe. This was about 10 years ago just after I graduated grad school and just moved to a new town with my husband. I took this job in the interim so we could two incomes and I could look for a better job.
My point is, that is a mentality of someone who breaks the law. They size up the cop, they think of ways to manipulate their way out of an arrest of ticket. Speeding tickets and women's breasts of a great example. They don't think about the seriousness of crimes in legal terms or how long they'd be in jail for.
You are overthinking things in this post.
Hey 6:20, wasn't it 'you people' just complaining that the President didn't go to Ferguson ??? Now he sends a delegation out of respect and you whine, bitch and accuse.
DeleteAnd, 7:07, I think you're correct. Start the countdown for when she covers it with one of her jr-high screeds on her 'channel'. Such a pathetic amateur but she does have 'cunning' mastered.
No. He's been found guilty by the media.
DeleteWhy even bother with trials any more?
Just set up internet voting.
8:10 you are quite wrong. Anyone who wants a fair and transparent hearing for the police officer, really for the truth, would not want the president or anyone high up in the federal government becoming involved in any way personally in this local matter. Gryph and the rest of the speculators here are beyond blind to any of the evidence that supports the officer. He will likely be exonerated.
DeleteHey Grypen check this link out.
ReplyDeletewww.buenosairesherald.com/article/167830/ana-libertad-comes-homet:
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You're thinking like a person who THINKS. If he did steal something, do you REALLY think he's going to think "hmm shall I committ a misdemeanor or go for the gold and punch out a cop?"
ReplyDeleteNo. People ACT IN THE MOMENT.
This is why media hurts these matters 100000 times more than it helps.
And ont to devalue a person's life because all life value is the same, but this isnt a new situation or a weird case. It is St Louis. I live in Lafayette LA, and New Orleans sees so many peple disembodied and tossed to bodies of water weekly.
I read that the friend of Michael said the policeman told them to get the f out of the street, they reply they were not going far. That's when the policeman backed up and opened his door only to have it ricocheted from Michael's bum, enraging the officer who then reached through the window and grabbed Michael's neck.
ReplyDeleteI believe it definitely started that way. Instead of asking politely, or gently reminding them to not block traffic, the officer likely just yelled at them because he "was tired of people like 'them' not obeying the law."
Deletevideo of Brown paying for cigars. http://sfbayview.com/2014/08/mike-brown-appears-to-have-paid-for-those-cigars/
ReplyDeleteHaving watched the video twice, I'm struck by how credible the witnesses sound. They had different vantage points and their recollections seem to paint an entire picture of the event.
ReplyDeleteI would be shocked if the grand jury didn't indict.