Tuesday, October 28, 2014

The ugly argument over Open Carry has become significantly uglier.

Courtesy of Salon:  

Moms Demand Action, a group formed after the Sandy Hook shooting to crack down on gun violence, began pressuring the Kroger supermarket chain to prohibit “open carry” in its stores after gun extremists used Kroger stores to demonstrate their “rights.” Gun laws are lax in many states, and it can be legal to openly carry a firearm with no training, and, in some cases, no background checks. The Kroger campaign is the most recent in a string of corporate responsibility efforts in which mothers, flanked by other gun violence prevention advocates, have asked companies to tighten gun policies, arguing that the businesses have an obligation to keep their customers safe. 

Of course, gun extremists did not respond kindly to the Kroger campaign. What follows is a recounting of their disturbing tactics, from the shocking intimidation and harassment of unsuspecting commenters on Kroger’s Facebook page to right-wing media propaganda that disingenuously portrayed Kroger as being allies of the gun extremists. 

Secret Facebook groups such as “People Who Were Blocked by Moms Demand Action Demand Action Now” — which has well over a thousand members — disseminated gun rights propaganda and helped orchestrate attacks on individuals commenting on Kroger’s page. Some gun nuts combed the profile pages of people commenting in support of gun reform, harvested personal photos of them and Photoshopped them to include obscene or humiliating comments, before reposting the photos on Kroger’s page, or on other social media sites. Because Kroger frequently bans users who post that kind of content, the gun extremists created disposable fake accounts — sometimes using the name and profile photo of an opponent— to quickly dump posts without being held accountable. 

In one case, they found a photo of a woman’s preschool-age child and wrote on it, “My mom sucks more cock than Richard Simmons” and circulated it online. In another case, they grabbed a photo of a mother and her child and wrote “Big retard, little retard” on it before reposting it. One woman posted to Kroger a photograph of a receipt showing money she spent elsewhere, and gun extremists swarmed her post, with hundreds of responses, including comments like “what you could do is shut your god damned whore mouth,” “calm your tits,” and “fuck her right in the pussy,” which Kroger’s Facebook admin allowed to stand over a day later.

The article goes on to say that the approach of these extremists seems to be to attack protesters en masse and intimidate them into walking away from the debate. And that is some cases that is working.

There really is no way to have a reasonable disagreement with people like this, and since they literally view gun rights as something bestowed upon them by their creator they see all attempts to apply oversight to gun sales as an attack on their deeply held faith.

I think the first thing that anybody who wants to work toward creating responsible gun policies in this country needs to do is to develop a thick skin, and to recognize that the more hate and vitriol they attract the better they are doing their jobs.

Besides if we even prevent one more unnecessary death, isn't that worth being called a few ugly names on Facebook?

19 comments:

  1. Caroll Thompson9:13 AM

    o/t, but very important. Don Young in the latest poll is within the margin of error of being defeated. He is only 1 point ahead of Dunbar.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/house/

    Poll just came out today. Also if you go to the Senate on this same site, the same pollster has your Senator Begich up by six.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/

    The latest Governor's poll for Alaska shows the Palin curse. Parnell up by 3 points. What was Walker thinking?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    Go Alaska go. Get to the polls and take your family, friends and neighbors with you (unless they are Republicans, then let them take themselves).

    Go Democrats.........................

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    1. Anonymous9:47 AM

      Fingers crossed!

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    2. Anonymous10:15 AM

      Walker may have to come out and say he no longer wants the Palins' endorsement.

      Frankly, I think he deserves to lose for allowing it in the first place. Then again, I don't live in Alaska so I don't have to suffer any consequences.

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    3. "Whatever"10:32 AM

      I am TOTALLY disgusted and aghast that Walker allowed -- and from the photos and his own words -- even visited Palin for her endorsement.

      It has made me rethink plans to vote for the Unity Ticket.

      However, what is the option? Parnell? Not an option, so not voting for Governor? That favors Parnell, so again not an option.

      I have no idea what Walker's thought is regarding Palin, but since he didn't have to do that, I will assume there's a good reason.

      Maybe Palin really, really wanted to throw Parnell under the curb so approached Walker. And maybe now Sarah OWES Walker.

      My guess and hope is that he's just "playing" with what little mind she has left.

      Maybe Walker figured it would pull all the crazies, who we know will vote if riled up enough, away from Parnell. Walker would never get those votes otherwise.

      Parnell people would never vote for Walker no matter what, so he didn't lose those votes.

      Walker owes Sarah nothing and if she expects something in return he can tell her go to back to Arizona. What can she do? He will then have the key to all her state secrets.

      Unless some of her friends delete things off the state computers. Which would only make things worse if Walker decided to use the key to unlock those emails, etc.

      Palin is in her usual fantasy mode if she thinks her "support" of Walker will give her any control over events once he becomes governor.

      Also, too, she probably sees the writing on the wall and figures Parnell will lose, so she can have at least ONE winner in her corner.

      This then would give her the chance to "appear" to have some influence in Alaska, which all but the craziest Palin crazies know she does not.

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    4. "Whatever"10:38 AM

      Also, too. Most polls depend on phone calls to land line numbers.

      That means they automatically eliminate anyone who uses cell only, which means most younger 30 or younger people.

      By their nature these polls would show a skew to the right. Remember the shock by Republicans that Obama won the last time because the polls all said he wouldn't?

      The polls missed the cell phone users.

      Also, also, too. If you are a regular voter in Alaska you are being slammed by phone calls right now and I know a lot, myself included, are just not answering. That, also too, would skew the results.

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    5. Anonymous1:29 PM

      Well Sarah Palin is so Proud of her Creepy foul mouth "warrior son",
      Her slutty, sunglasses at night foul mouthed abstinence queen who punched a guy SIX times for no reason and now is playing the victim
      The other foul mouth retard daughter willow "we have to get them all on OUR side"
      The Pimp Todd...
      And now all these creepy foul POS on facebook that makes up HER BASE!
      She must be so PROUD.
      Her "RILL 'mericans"!
      These people... all of 'em any of 'em are pos of shit that need to be swept into the garbage.

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  2. Anonymous9:45 AM

    These NRA cocksuckers should just pin signs to their belts reading, "Teeny dick" alongside a down arrow.

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  3. Chenagrrl10:04 AM

    Fred Meyer is a Kroger store. Does it allow open carry in AK?

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    1. Anonymous10:51 AM

      Fred Meyer is one of Sarah's favorite stores. I recognize the furnishings in her home. And I know she didn't have that cheap crap shipped in.

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  4. Anonymous10:11 AM

    And in this case, I think it is totally reasonable to hold Kroger accountable by spending money elsewhere. By not taking a stand the corporation is enabling these ....words fail me, for human they are not.

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  5. "Whatever"10:18 AM

    Their tactics remind me of Sarah Palin's crazies.

    Wonder how long it will be before the Palins issue the order to use their cute Facebook photos against them in Operation Hodown Hushdown?

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  6. Anonymous10:20 AM

    I'm Jewish, but I listen to Christian radio occasionally because it
    can be informative and, sometimes, fascinating.

    I was on Carol Costello's Facebook page yesterday reading the depressingly violent and deeply nasty comments directed at Carol by Palin fans, based on the Palin's lies.

    I then went for a drive in the country and listened to Christian radio. The sermon was about forgiveness, quoting the Bible, which we all know talks about the importance of immediate forgiveness a lot. All, "turn the other cheek", "judge not lest ye be judged", etc.

    Matthew 6:14-15 NIV - For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

    Colossians 3:13 NIV - Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

    These righteous Christians obviously have no idea what's in their own book.

    Interesting contrast, reading Carol's page (threatening her, and saying the Palin's were right to fight and had no other choice) and then these quotes. More Bible versus here: http://ipost.christianpost.com/news/12-encouraging-bible-verses-on-forgiving-others-10770/

    Yes, as Spock would say, "Fascinating"

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  7. honeybabe10:42 AM

    we need to get these universal background checks on the ballot. I believe there are more sane gun owners than insane ones. no one can intimidate your right to vote

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  8. Anonymous11:09 AM

    There are no Krogers in my community but if there were, I'd definitely shop there.

    Jennifer K

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    1. Anonymous11:19 AM

      No one here gives a flying fuck where you or anyone else shops. Get over yourself.

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    2. Whyever would you publicly flaunt your lack of civilized consciousness, your embrace of bullying, your attraction to cruel misfits, your lack of critical thinking skills, and your general mouth-breathing troglodyte reaction to this story?

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    3. Anonymous8:14 PM

      I don't understand how boycotting Kroger-trying to "put them out of business" so to speak-helps, when it is not Kroger doing this, it is idiots.

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  9. Anonymous12:46 PM

    I own guns, grew up with guns, and yes, I'm an admitted gun snob. But not the kind you may think.

    Guns are not toys, or status-enhancing props to make insignificant people feel important, nor do they automatically provide magical protection against evil doers, real or imaginary.

    Judging from the threats and vitriolic comments made by some pro-gun extremists, it's a good guess they lack the intelligence, emotional stability and self-control essential for responsible gun ownership.

    In short, by their words and deeds they've proven the case against themselves.

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  10. Anita Winecooler4:43 PM

    Get out, vote and get out the vote. And vote with your dollars for the issues you feel are important. Opencarry.org explains the laws for each state. Credo.com used to have an excellent phone app about stores, where the owners stand on progressive issues, who they donate money to, and what name brands and generics they manufacture. Now I'm reduced to googling before spending and keeping a list, and I try my best to buy "American" when I can. My state has open carry except in some cities, so people who live in those areas can call the police for an armed escort to and from the voting sites.

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