Lt. General Daniel Bolger |
Bolger has several explanations for why the US lost. The post-Vietnam army was built, deliberately, for short, conventional, decisive conflicts, yet the post-9/11 military leadership embraced – sometimes deliberately, sometimes through miscalculation – fighting insurgents and terrorists who knew the terrain, the people and the culture better than the US ever would.
“Anybody who does work in foreign countries will tell you, if you want long-term success, you have to understand that culture. We didn’t even come close. We knew enough to get by,” Bolger said.
More controversially, Bolger laments that the US did not pull out of Afghanistan after ousting al-Qaida in late 2001 and out of Iraq after ousting Saddam in April 2003. Staying in each conflict as it deteriorated locked policymakers and officers into a pattern of escalation, with persistence substituting for success. No one in uniform of any influence argued for withdrawal, or even seriously considered it: the US military mantra of the age is to leave behind a division’s worth of advisers as insurance and expect them to resolve what a corps could not.
The objection, which proved contemporaneously persuasive, is that the US would leave a vacuum inviting greater dangerous instability. “It would be a mess, and you’d have the equivalent of Isis,” Bolger conceded.
“But guess what: we’re in that same mess right now after eight years, and we’re going to be in the same mess after 13 years in Afghanistan.” The difference, he said, is thousands of Americans dead; tens of thousands of Americans left with life-changing wounds; and untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans dead, injured, impoverished or radicalized.
Finally, somebody in who commanded in Afghanistan is telling the truth about what we did there and in Iraq.
And Bolger would certainly be a voice worth listening to as he not only served as the Commanding General of the Combined Security Transition Command in Afghanistan, he also commanded NATO forces in the region and currently teaches military history at North Carolina State University.
Of course I would disagree with the Lt. General in that I don't think we needed to go into Afghanistan in the first place, and definitely not into Iraq, but that we had no plan in place for after the initial invasion is now obvious to just about everyone.
What I respect the Lt. General for saying is that the number of American, Afghan, and Iraqi deaths that resulted from our poor planning and lack of exit strategy could have been avoided if only the Bush Administration had understood what they were getting themselves into.
I also appreciate the fact that the Lt. General recognizes that the wars were lost almost as soon as they started, and the losses were NOT the fault of the President who was elected to clean up the mess left behind by the last administration.
This is what Bolger said on Democracy Now:
"Is it appropriate to send thousands of young American men and women into foreign countries to go house to house and try to sort out who’s a terrorist, who’s a villager?" asked Bolger.
"That’s something we tried in Southeast Asia, and it didn’t work," added Bolger. "And yet we repeated it once in Afghanistan and then again in Iraq. And that’s very disturbing, and I think that led directly to our failure in both campaigns."
"[W]e missed the fundamental strategic error of that thought, and it’s an error based in arrogance, hubris, whatever word you want to use," said Bolger.
"Hubris" now where have I heard THAT word before?
It is important that we keep examining how we got into these two wars, and how we fought and ultimately lost them. Because history is being written right this minute, and if the conservatives have their way they will whitewash every mistake made by the Bush Administration, and lay any blame for perceived failure at the feet of the President who they want to blame for everything, including the arrival of Ebola on our shores.
We just cannot allow that to happen.
I hear you, Gryph. I'm still amazed at the number of people who think Ronald Reagan was a great president.
ReplyDeleteThe conveniently senile old dud should have gone to prison for Iran-Contra.
DeleteNovember 10, 2014. Newly released White House tape transcripts reveal how Ronald Reagan sought to mollify an angry Margaret Thatcher after the US invaded Grenada, part of the Commonwealth, without giving her advance warning.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/10/listen-when-reagan-apologized-to-thatcher-for-a-u-s-invasion/
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29986729
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/10/reagan-apologise-angry-thatcher-grenada-white-house-tapes
Obama’s Move To The Left Is The Beginning Of A Nightmare For Republicans
ReplyDeletehttp://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/13/obamas-move-left-beginning-republican-nightmare.html
Obama Is Doing Everything Right As McConnell Is “Disturbed” By The President’s Actions
ReplyDelete...McConnell’s comments are a sign that President Obama is doing the right thing for the country by not doing what the Republicans want. After a sobering Election Night defeat, the president appears to be taking his party back and leading them into the future. Mitch McConnell isn’t only going to have deal with President Obama, but also a feisty and more liberal Democratic Senate minority.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/13/obama-pushes-buttons-mcconnell-disturbed-presidents-actions.html
Speaking of Mich McConnell's, there's a website "TheFreeThoughtProject.com, reports a boat owned by his wife's Family was seize with 90lbs of Cocaine, can't say how reliable this information is but if true, that's no way to start out being House Majority
Delete30 Years of Conservative Nonsense, An Explainer
ReplyDeleteIf those calls to close the borders over Ebola are giving you déjà vu, you might not be wrong.
Are conservatives ever right?
The question isn’t meant to suggest that liberals are never wrong. But reviewing the last few decades of conservative policy initiatives—or their objections over that timespan to policies they hate—shows a consistent pattern of failure: predictions never pan out, and intended results turn to catastrophic flops.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2014/11/conservative-nonsense-political-history
And supporters of the Neo-Cons wonder why the American reputation in those areas is sometimes not in line with what they're selling? It's so unfortunate because the young military men and women are just doing their jobs. It was upsetting to see those Navy servicemen being harassed in Turkey; they do nothing but follow orders and get the rap for the powers that be.
ReplyDeleteThat bully reputation started no doubt at the beginning of the Iraq invasion. The fact that one of the jobs for military was to go to civilians' door, to door and question them about their allegiances is quite offensive, to any Iraqis or Afghanis; how could it not offend and scare them? To tell them the U.S. and it's allies was doing this for their own good, probably did not convince them. The persecution complex of the right-wing these days screams in our ears about how the U.S. is so misunderstood, yet they will never admit they love to be the persecutors. Insolence and bullying is too hard for them to part with. Overseas lives pre-invasion may have been much better, yet others' lives were hell. It's a matter of whose suffering will we ease, knowing full well that another group's suffering will just begin; it's too complex for the average voter to understand, and this is why these masters of manipulation (Neo-Cons) get away with it.
“Anybody who does work in foreign countries will tell you, if you want long-term success, you have to understand that culture. We didn’t even come close. We knew enough to get by,” Bolger said.
ReplyDeleteWhat we were about was hate, it was hard to find any who would listen to understanding.
When was it ever America's place to perpetual "win" every foolhardy conflict it initializes or participates in? It lost (and will continue to lose) every time it subsidizes (and suffers by) the creation of enemies like Osama bin Laden. Period.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely Nothing: A Veteran’s Savage Indictment of the Iraq War
ReplyDeletehttp://aattp.org/absolutely-nothing-a-veterans-savage-indictment-of-the-iraq-war/
Thank you!
DeleteThat essay is by CWO Jim Wright, owner of Stonekettle Station, which you find listed under Alaska Blogs on the left of this page.
ReplyDeleteNever forget how they sold these wars.
ReplyDeleteMom and apple pie patriots
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Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England
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Understand Iraq culture? Understand Pop Culture is more like it.
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Corporate America
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"The 82nd Airborne Division in Afghanistan shuttered the pages on
Friday. The Pentagon managed to immediately cleanse all evidence of
the MySpace pages, including whatever copies and cached versions were
kept by Google and the Internet Archive."
Having Fun Torturing People In Afghanistan,
http://wonkette.com/262247/dr-lauras-cretin-son-having-fun-torturing-people-in-afghanistan
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Der Spiegel unearths 4,000 photos
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Time to Learn the Lessons of Failed U.S. Wars
ReplyDeleteBy Gerry Condon, Vice President, Veterans For Peace
http://warisacrime.org/content/time-learn-lessons-failed-us-wars
We weren't involved in either conflict for any other reason than enriching the defense contractors. It was time for war, so we could try out all the new technology available to kill people. We made up a reason to go to war and go to war we did, and rich people got even richer while a bunch of lower class and poor American kids got dead or broken. American War 101.
ReplyDelete"Rich man's war, poor man's fight"
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"What I respect the Lt. General for saying is that the number of American, Afghan, and Iraqi deaths that resulted from our poor planning and lack of exit strategy could have been avoided if only the Bush Administration had understood what they were getting themselves into."
ReplyDeleteAmerican, Afghan, and Iraqi maimed and crippled and all the PTSD that resulted from our poor planning and lack of exit strategy could have been avoided.
There is no excuse for the culprits getting by with their ugly deeds and going on in life as if they are great and noble men and women.
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Big draft-dodger
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Imperialists
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"Mushroom Cloud Condi"
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The artist
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How many soldiers are they going to parade or show with brain injuries and no arms & legs for political "nationalism" purposes?
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Is George W. Bush Responsible for the Death of Tomas Young?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27417-george-w-bush-killed-tomas-young
A native of Kansas City, Missouri, Young joined the Army just days after 9/11in a flush of patriotism. Like so many others...
Tomas Young was right.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are guilty of murder, including his.
Let's prosecute Bush and Cheney for murder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Young
Bolger is so right, it hurts. There's an old saying, those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it. So whose brilliant idea was it to make a War dodger the commander in chief? Why did we go into Afghanistan in the first place? And who was more of a threat to our nation's security? Geo W Bush or Osama Bin Laden? Yeah, Hussein was an "evildoer", but why punish a nation because their leader is crazy? I found no feeling of joy nor closure when Bush hunted down and killed Saddam Hussein, it was a waste of money and time.
ReplyDeleteBin Laden was a totally different story and deserved the end he received and then some.
How, in good conscience, are Bush and Cheyney walking the earth as free men? And, finally, where would we be today had President Obama not cleaned up the mess they left?
"We knew enough to get by,”
ReplyDeleteActually, I don't even agree with THAT! We knew enough to be dangerous - and CAUSE the difficulties we had.
We never learned (and by "we", I mean the military) the true meaning of "winning the hearts and minds".
Now, don't get me wrong, I am in complete agreement we should never have gone in either place. I'm wondering, though, how much better we might have fared if we had gone in section by section. I mean by that, if we had taken Kabul and then stopped long enough to truly secure the area by repairing everything that had been destroyed. Like the power grid and the water supply and things of that nature. And THEN moved on to other areas after the people were happy we were there.
It seems to me that it would have been a lot more successful at getting the people on our side if we had tried that - seriously tried that.
Bottom line, though? We did everything wrong. And that includes going in.