Monday, December 22, 2014

Is the slow motion death of religion in America more the fault of the Republicans than it is the fault of outspoken Atheists? Could be.

As all of you know the only thing that fascinates me more than politics is religion. And I spend an inordinate amount of time reading about its origins, evolution, and its decreasing popularity in America, and increasing popularity in other parts of the world.

Seriously I could write, debate, and learn more about it every day and not grow bored of the subject.

So when I happened upon this article from Salon I had to share it.

It sets out to essentially understand what is behind the increase secularization in America today.

It does discuss the Atheist movement led by Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and others, as well as the Catholic church scandals, the rise of the internet, and a few other contributing factors.

However the one that caught my eye was this one:

For starters, we can begin with the presence of the religious right, and the backlash it has engendered. Beginning in the 1980s, with the rise of such groups as the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition, the closeness of conservative Republicanism with evangelical Christianity has been increasingly tight and publicly overt. Throughout the 1990s and 2000s, more and more politicians on the right embraced the conservative Christian agenda, and more and more outspoken conservative Christians allied themselves with the Republican Party. Examples abound, from Michele Bachmann to Ann Coulter, from Mike Huckabee to Pat Robertson, and from Rick Santorum to James Dobson. With an emphasis on seeking to make abortion illegal, fighting against gay rights (particularly gay marriage), supporting prayer in schools, advocating “abstinence only” sex education, opposing stem cell research, curtailing welfare spending, supporting Israel, opposing gun control, and celebrating the war on terrorism, conservative Christians have found a warm welcome within the Republican Party, which has been clear about its openness to the conservative Christian agenda. This was most pronounced during the eight years that George W. Bush was in the White House. 

What all of this this has done is alienate a lot of left-leaning or politically moderate Americans from Christianity. Sociologists Michael Hout and Claude Fischer have published compelling research indicating that much of the growth of “nones” in America is largely attributable to a reaction against this increased, overt mixing of Christianity and conservative politics. The rise of irreligion has been partially related to the fact that lots of people who had weak or limited attachments to religion and were either moderate or liberal politically found themselves at odds with the conservative political agenda of the Christian right and thus reacted by severing their already somewhat weak attachment to religion. Or as sociologist Mark Chaves puts it, “After 1990 more people thought that saying you were religious was tantamount to saying you were a conservative Republican. So people who are not Republicans now are more likely to say that they have no religion.”

These are very good points that I agree with wholeheartedly. 

In fact, as I have shared many times before, the factors above have quite a lot to do with your ability to visit this blog today.

It was in response to that Republican branding, and the attempt to paint themselves as the moral superior of every other political group, that pissed your favorite Alaskan blogger off so much that he started channeling his frustration through a keyboard.

However as much as I agree with authors about how the Republican Religious Right poisoned the well, I still think that without the internet we would not be seeing the changes we are witnessing today.

Anybody care to disagree?

18 comments:

  1. hedgewytch9:20 AM

    I was never a Republican. I was alienated from Christianity by my father, the hypocrite, the Church leader who brushed off his sunday suit after church and headed for the bar and his latest girl friend. The ultra-morph of the Republican party by Christian Fundamentalists in the "God Party" has been terrifying to watch. But, also interesting, as they finally seem to have offended, scared, annoyed, dismayed, marginalized, and insulted just about everyone else. So much more than any Aethiest.

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    1. Anonymous9:43 AM

      I agree with you about the hypocrisy of the religious right, and many religious people in general. Even though I was raised without god the utter hypocrisy of most religious people, not only those in the public arena, but those I've met in my personal life, has confirmed for me that religion does not make anyone a better person, and in fact can do quite the opposite.

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    2. A J Billings2:13 PM

      Speaking of Republicans, there was one guy who ran for President that laid it right out and spoke the truth.

      Barry Goldwater quote:

      "“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

      Said in November 1994, as quoted in the book John Dean, "Conservatives Without Conscience" (2006)

      When a guy as far right and conservative as Barry Goldwater rails against the Christian Taliban, you know that we have a crisis on our hands.

      We could end up with Ted Raphael Cruz Ricky Santorum, or Mike Hucksterbee for President in 2016.

      Fortunately though, Queen Esther the Idiot won't be running, because of the deep dark secrets, and she loves grifting and being worshiped by Pbots, rather than actually having a job to go to every day.

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  2. Caroll Thompson9:22 AM

    I can't argue with you at all. But you can bet your bottom dollar these R's are going to blame the atheists, the Muslims, the Jews and anyone else they do not like. These people are not for freedom in that they would deny the right to free thinking to all who do not agree with them, given half a chance.

    Heck old Marco Rubio was dissing the Pope last week about Cuba. This bunch doesn't like the Pope at all. And it is because this Pope does not agree with them. They liked the last Pope who railed against abortion and gay marriage.

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    1. Anonymous6:18 PM

      Carol,
      They don't like the Pope b/c he has called them out as fakers numerous times now :) Good on him! I'm not religious but I'm a spiritual person but I like this pope, if they h8 him, he must be good :)

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    2. You're absolutely right, in fact Palin is leading the charge with her low information Palinbots by blaming "atheist with a lawyer" as being the problem. The true problem is Palin and other narrow minded christians like her who don't have the decency to respect those who have different religious beliefs than theirs, or believe in another God. What's even more offensive is their belief that GOD always stands behind them, and not others. Their arrogance and ignorance goes even further with them trying to shove their morals and beliefs on others without even the slightest thought they might be doing something wrong. Their fallacious belief that our government was founded as a "christian" nation is just another example of their ignorance of our country's history.

      Okay, I just let out my feelings by saying what really makes me angry. I'm done for now.

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    3. Anonymous8:26 AM

      Palin leading the charge baker? Palin is not leading anything.

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  3. Anonymous9:40 AM

    Well, I for one cannot disagree with your take, Gryphen. On the contrary - I wholeheartedly agree with you.
    Sick and tired of those religious Christian Taliban freaks!

    Why is it that all three religions who come from the Middle East are freaky religions which want to completely control women? Why is it that all three seem to be condoning and encouraging torture?

    Starting to think seriously about some Wicca teachings.

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  4. Anonymous9:44 AM

    Brad Pitt -
    "When I got untethered from the comfort of religion, it wasn't a loss of faith for me. It was a discovery of self...There's peace in understanding that I have only one life, here and now, and I'm responsible."

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  5. Anonymous9:49 AM

    Dipshit Deluxe:
    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/klingenschmitt-americans-should-rely-god-healthcare

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  6. Anonymous9:52 AM

    I especially enjoyed the fact the article by Salon did not even mention Sarah Palin. It's so obvious she has no national influence!

    And, I agree with you, Gryphen. I'd add that the majority of the Republicans that we see and hear from do NOT practice their particular faiths of Christianity. All you have to do is research their histories in politics and their family lives.
    (Deceased as well as current ones.)

    Just look at the multiple marriages, affairs, divorces and the Republican politicians that have ended up in jail due to evil doings when they served our country. Many more currently should be put on trail and end up in jail - which include: Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeldt, etc.

    They truly are full of evil doers in that party! They have always shown themselves to be racists and have spread hate and disregard for Americans that put them in their position in the U.S. Congress, state legislatures or governorships. Plus, they are known to spend way too much money which has been detrimental to our country and Americans!

    No wonder no one wants to follow their 'supposed' religion. The majority of them are going to end up in Hell according to their teachings! But, that doesn't seem to worry them which makes me question their belief system! They have none!!!

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    1. I'm with Tolstoy whose whole body of work can be summed up in three beliefs: Love is all, violence begets violence and all men are created equal.

      He said, 'We can know only that we know nothing. And that is the highest degree of human wisdom.'

      Try to match those up with the self-proclaimed "Christians" in America today, who profess to not only know it all, but demand we follow their pronouncements or be damned.

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  7. Boscoe9:58 AM

    I think the internet has definitely sped up the process as people can see they're not alone and are increasingly less afraid to take a stand on the issue. But I also think, as I always have, that there is an underlying sociological principle hiding beneath the way people answer these polls that is always overlooked.

    I think it has more to do with which answer is least likely to incite rebuke, questioning, embarrassment or reprisal. I.E. people will tend to give the easiest answer. What they don't want is to then have to deal with an uncomfortable follow up, or suddenly feel pressured to defend a point of view that they likely haven't really thought that much about. So they go with the flow.

    In the past, that answer obviously would be "Christian" as it was by far the least controversial. But, as this article states, that has changed and now there are political connotations connected with that answer.

    So, while the Christian Right will continue to tell you that 80+% of Americans "identify as Christian", you can be pretty certain that nowhere near that number have actually attended church services in any meaningful sense, or read a Bible or would agree with much of the extremist moral platform of a conservative.

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  8. Anonymous10:20 AM

    Hey Gryphen were you able to get together with your source this weekend?

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  9. The internet changed everything. Anonymity became easy, and for every controversy there were a dozen websites that wouldn't shut about it (like Gryphen on Babygate).

    I'm 61 and I have this fantasy that before I die, I might experience actual freedom.

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  10. Anonymous11:20 AM

    The Religious Right is destroying religion. Another year of Sarah Palin's book could finish off religion in America. I am always glad to see the snake oil salesperson peddling their wears because those with a brain are darn sick and tired of it.

    OT

    This is something Americans can get behind!!


    It’s Spreading: New York Times Calls For Cheney And Bush Officials To Be Indicted For Torture
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/22/new-york-times-calls-for-cheney-arrest/

    Indict them for all their war crimes. Make America a nation of laws again.

    Do the job right! Indict all their workers and helpers. ALL OF THEM.


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  11. Anonymous12:47 PM

    At one of the other threads, mention is made of Ms Palin appearing on a Christmas Radio Special hosted by Todd Starnes.

    Check out the front page of his website:
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/

    Every single article is hate-filled Christianist clap-trap...one would think they are all, in fact, working for The Other Guy...

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  12. Anita Winecooler5:33 PM

    Apparently, Pope Francis is on the same page. He met with the cardinals and big wigs at the Vatican and gave them a tongue lashing about gossips, the pursuit of material things, and that they should give it up and practice what they preach. I saw the blip on the news and my mom kind of ignored my jumping up and down, screaming "hell yes, about time!" and paid close attention to a scarf she's been knitting. If I remember correctly, he used the term "Hypocrites".

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