Thursday, January 08, 2015

If you want a more peaceful world then the answer is simply, you need more Atheists.

Courtesy of the Guardian:  

The quiet truth behind the inescapable headlines about man’s inhumanity to man is that the world is actually becoming a more peaceful place. Deaths from war and conflict have been declining for decades – and, if current trends continue, we can make them rarer still. 

What mysterious force is sowing peace among humankind? One possible reason is that there are more atheists and nonbelievers than ever before. 

In America, millennials are the largest and least religious generation in the country’s history. The trend toward secularization in the US mirrors the movement in Europe and throughout the developed world. And poll after poll have shown that the nonreligious also lean more progressive and more pacifist on a wide variety of issues relating to violence: torture, the death penalty, corporal punishment, military adventurism and more. 

A Pew poll from 2009, well before the Senate released its devastating torture report last month, asked whether torturing suspected terrorists could be justified found that the non-religious were most opposed to torture, with a combined 55% saying that it could rarely or never be justified. Gallup has also found that people with no religious preference are less supportive of the death penalty than any group of Christians. The non-religious are also among the most likely to say the invasion of Iraq was a mistake. The religiously unaffiliated are also less likely than Christians to believe that the US is superior to all other countries in the world, a hyper-patriotic attitude that’s hardly conducive to careful reflection about the use of American military power.

Living without religion simply removes from Atheists one of the main excuses to wage war on our fellow human beings.

And that is only a small part of what makes us awesome.

For instance we're braver soldiers, because we don't believe there is a heaven awaiting us when we die in battle.

We are more unselfish, because when we do nice things it is not to earn a greater reward in our afterlife.

We are more moral, because we do the right thing simply because it is right, and not to avoid eternal damnation.

And need I add that we have a thicker skin, because when we are mocked we do not murder cartoonists and satirists in response.

Let's face it we're just better all around.

Except for humility. We might need to work on our humility.

But hey, nobody's perfect.

34 comments:

  1. Anonymous9:41 AM

    Violence at home that isn't being reported by the MSM.

    http://theobamadiary.com/2015/01/07/a-tweet-or-two-205/

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  2. Anonymous9:46 AM

    Where Is The 24-Hour News Cycle On The Bomb At A Colorado NAACP?

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/07/3608976/a-bomb-went-off-at-a-colorado-naacp-where-is-the-24-hour-news-cycle/

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  3. Anonymous9:52 AM

    So WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Civil War, etc..... would never had happened if it wasn't for religion?

    Gimme a break. Yours truly- Agnostic (at best) Realist

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    1. Leland11:31 AM

      It isn't necessarily religion that is DIRECTLY the cause, but the mind set and/or ideology created BY religion are certainly major factors.

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    2. Anonymous12:48 PM

      Major factor? Ahh no.

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  4. Anonymous9:52 AM

    Speaking of religious criminals...

    Mitt Romney Slapped With Racketeering Lawsuit

    ...The actions of Mitt Romney and his co-conspirators wiped out hundreds of millions in equity. They were denied proper value for their investment in the company, which was sold to Bain owned KB Toys for $5 million, less than half of a sale just a few months prior of eToys subsidiary BabyCenter.com.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/02/romney-facing-racketeering-lawsuit/

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  5. Anonymous10:10 AM

    Well, all of this completely stands to reason. Rational, critical thinking is diametrically opposed to belief systems. And war is, for the most part, not rational. It's an awful waste of life and treasure.

    I hope that this is a sign that the human race is evolving.

    Disclaimer - I've nothing against the core principles of religion, nor the sense community it can foster. I think it would be great if religions morphed into benevolent social clubs.

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    1. Leland1:23 PM

      I would see us going quite far towards peace if the three major religions would just get rid of the clauses in their religions that teach hating the others!

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  6. Anonymous10:13 AM

    Yup.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/bill-maher-on-paris-massacre-there-are-no-great-religions-theyre-all-stupid-and-dangerous/

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  7. Anonymous10:16 AM

    o/t --hey, Sarah

    "U.S. Oil Producers Cut Drilling Rigs as Price Declines
    By CLIFFORD KRAUSS

    Falling oil prices have prompted producers to slash the number of drilling rigs around the country."

    -- also the income for the state of Alaska, as well as Louisiana, Texas, North Dakota and others.
    It's a lesson called supply and demand.

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  8. Anonymous10:30 AM

    Stalin said "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"

    It wasn't a war, but he is credited with killing between 20 to 60 million people...

    It's bad people, religion or not.

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    1. Leland11:34 AM

      Also good people acting in the name of religion.

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    2. People who think they're good acting in the name of religion.

      And why is it they keep bringing Stalin up? Stalin killed people because he was a dictator, not because he was an atheist.

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    3. Anonymous2:32 PM

      Stalin didn't believe in God.... you miss the point. Horrible deeds are done in the name of ideologies that have nothing to do with religion or being an Atheist.... It is naive to think if you get folks to stop believing in religion, that the world will be free of wars and mass killings. Anything good, there is always those that will look to manipulate, and use it for personal gain. Religion just happens to be one of the biggest scams of many that exist.

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  9. Anonymous10:44 AM

    God Is Now The Owner Of A Town In Alabama And All Hell Is Breaking Loose

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/08/god-is-now-the-owner-of-a-town-in-alabama-and-all-hell-is-breaking-loose/

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  10. Anonymous10:48 AM

    Too many people have been killed in the name of religion (or for being the "wrong" religion).

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  11. Anonymous10:49 AM

    Cop Killed ‘Point Blank’ In Charlie Hebdo Massacre Was A Muslim (VIDEO)

    42-year-old police officer Ahmed Merabet was executed by a Muslim terrorist during Wednesday’s assault on satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo’s headquarters. He was patrolling the 11th arrondissement, the Paris neighborhood where Charlie Hebdo’s office is located when he met the masked gunmen.

    Merabet was shot from a distance and wounded, then while pleading for his life a terrorist ran past Merabet and callously, without hesitation, shot him in the head at point-blank range. The terrorist calmly continued on his way.

    As reported by Le Figaro, Rocco Contento, departmental secretary of union SGP Police Unit says Merabet was a member of the ATV police brigade of the eleventh arrondissement,

    “He leaves behind a wife,” Contento said. “We are all extremely shocked.”

    What the murderous terrorist may not have known when he pulled the trigger is that he had something in common with Merabet. According to a report by The Daily Caller, the slain officer was also a Muslim.

    The terrorist acted against Islam as the religion condemns killing other Muslims.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/08/cop-killed-point-blank-in-charlie-hebdo-massacre-was-a-muslim-video/

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    1. Anonymous12:18 PM

      Wow! Thanks for posting.

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    2. Leland1:29 PM

      "The terrorist acted against Islam as the religion condemns killing other Muslims."

      Unless it is a terrorist or extremist doing the judging and killing. The Jihadist doesn't accept that clause since ignoring it gives them a way around the non-killing clause.

      Look at ISIS. Or the killing of Sunnis by Shia. Or Shia by Sunni.

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  12. Anonymous10:52 AM

    Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million

    Bad ideologies all around... religion or not.

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  13. Anonymous10:55 AM

    French Attacks Inflames Xenophobia and Islamophobia Amongst Far-Right Politicians

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/07/france-braces-itself-for-rising-anti-muslim-sentiments/

    Donald Trump Hits An All-Time-Low With His Disgraceful Response To The Paris Shootings (TWEETS, VIDEO)

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/07/donald-trump-hits-an-all-time-low-with-his-disgraceful-response-to-the-paris-shootings-tweets-video/

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    1. Anita Winecooler4:05 PM

      Hey. Big brave guy, take off your toupee, swab up all the blood and stick it where the sun don't shine. Here's your perfect example of the dumbest of the dumb with no respect for humanity at all. Oh look, Melania's face is frozen in embarrassment, but why do her lips look like the working end of a toilet plunger? What a failure of a human being, a failure at making and keeping money, and overall waste of flesh.

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  14. Anonymous11:14 AM

    From 1948 through 1987 the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was ruled by Kim Il-sung, an absolute communist dictator who has turned his country into an Orwellian state. People were so tightly controlled in all their activities, and those visitors that were allowed in were so managed, that comparatively little independent information about the regime's purges, executions, and concentration and forced labor camps filtered out of the country. Nonetheless, through defectors, escapees, agents, Korean War refugees, and analyses of Korean publications and documents, a hazy picture emerges of systematic democide little different than that carried out in the first decades of the Soviet Union or early communist China.
    Perhaps from 710,000 to slightly over 3,500,000 people have been murdered, with a mid-estimate of almost 1,600,000.

    Bad ideologies all around.... religion or not.

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  15. Anonymous11:16 AM

    Religion and war are both industries, highly profitable industries. Atheists will have do a ton of work to overcome the profit motive.

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    1. Anonymous11:37 AM

      So true!

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    2. Leland11:39 AM

      According to the article above which Gryphen published, we're getting there!

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  16. Anonymous11:16 AM

    Good caveat at the end, Gryphen. LOL

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    1. Anonymous11:42 AM

      I laughed at that, too, and I'm not an atheist. I've been on this blog seven years now and Gryph is one of the good guys!

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  17. Anonymous11:49 AM

    I think it's disingenuous at best to claim that atheists are less prone to violence because one generation of Americans favors a set of principles that include atheism and pacifism. The tens of millions of people killed and/or tortured by Stalin, Mao, and other atheist dictators (h/t to 10:30, 10:52, and 11:14) would certainly not agree that atheists are kinder, more benevolent, and more moral.

    Maybe I'm a cynic, but I don't believe that most people who start religious wars actually do so because of deeply held beliefs. Religion just provides them with a convenient excuse and an easy way to manipulate the emotions of the people needed to do the actual fighting. Removing religion from the equation doesn't stop war; it simply makes warmongers find new ideologies and alternate reasons to demonize the enemy.

    Obviously, some atheists don't "need" religion to make them moral people. And religions have enabled, facilitated, and covered up a range of immoral behavior, from pedophilia to mass murder. But there are also people who have the inclination toward immoral actions but restrain themselves because of their religious beliefs. If the only thing standing between a potential child molester and his victim is the fear of hell, is it moral to try to remove that fear?

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    1. Anonymous1:23 PM

      Others can't "remove that fear" a person must mentally evolve beyond religion. It is very hard to deprogram people who ignore facts and reason and adhere to a religious doctrine. They must find their own way, and fortunately for the health of our societies newer generations seem to be evolving brains that are incapable of blind adherence to mythology.

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  18. Anonymous12:02 PM

    In a long ago history class, someone mentioned that if you want to know the "real" cause of a war, then look who is richest after the fighting ends.

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  19. Anonymous1:22 PM

    When you've got sick and violent people being celebrated like this, then good luck with reducing violence.

    The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?

    Clint Eastwood’s film about Navy Seal Chris Kyle has hit a raw nerve in America, with right wingers calling for the rape or death of anyone ungrateful enough to criticise his actions

    ...Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as “fun”, something he “loved”; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a “bad guy”. “I hate the damn savages,” he wrote. “I couldn’t give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.” He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/real-american-sniper-hate-filled-killer-why-patriots-calling-hero-chris-kyle

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  20. "For instance we're braver soldiers, because we don't believe there is a heaven awaiting us when we die in battle.
    We are more unselfish, because when we do nice things it is not to earn a greater reward in our afterlife.
    We are more moral, because we do the right thing simply because it is right, and not to avoid eternal damnation.
    And need I add that we have a thicker skin, because when we are mocked we do not murder cartoonists and satirists in response.
    Let's face it we're just better all around.
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    Oh, bullshit. There are plenty of believers who do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because they think it will get them into heaven or because they're afraid of going to hell.

    There are atheists who behave in cruel and violent ways precisely because they are not concerned about eternal damnation.

    The biggest asshole I have ever known was an avowed atheist. His arrogance toward anyone he considered inferior to his obvious superiority was breathtaking. He made his wife take an IQ test before getting pregnant because he didn't want to waste his fabulous genetic material creating a child that would never amount to much. (They since divorced.)

    During a dinner get together, the conversation (fueled by alcohol, of course) strayed unwisely to religion.

    He laughed at the notion that there was anything to be gained by holding himself back out of concern for others. As far as he was concerned, religion and the golden rule was designed solely to keep the smartest and best people from having what they deserved, so that the weak and lazy could get by despite their inferiority. He had one life to live and he was going to make the most of it. People dumb enough to be stepped on (victimized) deserved what they got.

    Thicker skin? I don't think so. The sneering, over the top contempt expressed toward believers often sounds as if it is coming from people who have determined that in their own way, they are a god, because they have all the answers and are right. It is clear that if they hold someone else's beliefs or opinions in contempt, then there is nothing wrong with expressing that contempt. I don't consider that any more admirable when an atheist is behaving that way then when a jackass religious fundamentalist behaves that way.

    There are true believers who cause appalling horrors because of their beliefs. There are also horrid people who find religion to be a convenient tool to get what they want. (I believe Palin falls into this category. There is no way that viper believes she is subservient and owes obedience and deference to a Being greater than she (because how could anyone be greater then her?) but she'll make all the rights sounds for her idiot flock).

    I have long since abandoned religion and I suppose I would be considered agnostic in regard to whether or not there are things incomprehensible to the limitations of the human mind.

    I enjoy discussions on such ideas, but bumper sticker arguments have never impressed me on any topic expressed by any side.

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  21. Anita Winecooler4:12 PM

    Excellent and thought provoking post, Gryphen. Especially with the attacks today in France. There are no absolutes on both the religious and atheists, except when it comes to leaving logic at the door and behaving out of fear.
    As a former Roman Catholic, being forced to re evaluate religion and the need for it, once freed from "belief", there's no going back, at least for my immediate family.

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