Saturday, February 14, 2015

Republican Congressman suggests that we don't need funding for education because "Socrates trained Plato on a rock." Well you can't argue with logic like that.

Rep. Dave Brat.
Courtesy of Think Progress:

During a House Education and Workforce Committee proceeding on Wednesday to reauthorize the nation’s elementary and secondary education law, Rep. Dave Brat (R-VA) said, “Socrates trained Plato in on a rock and then Plato trained in Aristotle roughly speaking on a rock. So, huge funding is not necessary to achieve the greatest minds and the greatest intellects in history.” 

He began his remarks by saying, “The greatest thinkers in Western civ were not products of education policy,” before mentioning Socrates and Plato. He later went on to say that he thinks the answer to improving education in this country “would be to get private sector folks into every one of our schools, get the CEOs in the schools and move beyond this just narrow policy debate and really have a revolution.”

Well first off you don't "train" students, you train dogs.

Secondly if Plato and Aristotle had not been highly intelligent students then their education would have been less impressive, and in fact Aristotle taught many students whose names we do not remember because apparently Aristotle's lessons did not impact them the same way that they did Plato.

In fact Aristotle was quoted as saying he did not so much teach as serve as a midwife to the truth that was already within his students. As any educator will tell you that is not a valid methodology for educating large numbers of students in the classroom.

And third the idea of privatizing education. and inviting business people and laymen to teach students. demonstrates a real lack of respect and understanding of what teachers do.

Being an educator is a calling, and if you do not possess that burning desire you will fail. Period.

There are some with an innate ability to reach their students, but without the education to teach them properly these people would still fail at their jobs.

Look I have been in a lot of classrooms, in a lot of different capacities, and I can tell you that some instructors lose the class before they even finish writing their name on a chalkboard. While others can captivate their audience even while teaching the toughest and least entertaining material.

I would ask this Brat fellow how he would suggest we teach computer science on a rock? Or chemistry? Or any other of a hundred incredibly complex subjects which require hands on materials and up to date textbooks?

Personally I would ignore this idiot, if it were not for the fact that he and his fellow moronic Republican colleagues were not in a position to truly screw up education in this country.

Oh and by the way, just in case you were wondering, Brat himself has both a Masters and PhD.

And somehow I doubt he received either of those while sitting on a rock.

25 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:43 PM

    Just what we don't need in Congress is another school privatization shill. There's got to be a Democratic in Richmond VA who can unseat this religious fanatic.

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    1. This is totally off topic but you DID bring up shills...

      http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=25665

      Apparently, its been 10 days since Scarah Payme has uploaded anything to her goofy channel and people are beginning to notice...lol

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  2. Anonymous2:46 PM

    Dave Brat is one of those retards that Sarah Palin supported. Then again, if Sarah Palin does nothing else of note it is to support a family of retards, the least retarded of them all is probably Trigger.

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  3. I am sick and tired of the notion that elements of society providing intangible benefits without an immediate payout, such as education, are better off in the hands of profiteering private sector businesses.

    When the only thing that matters is the bottom line, very little will be invested in struggling students, for example.

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    1. Anonymous8:56 PM

      Where do Malia & Sasha go to school?

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    2. Bill F2:10 AM

      Malia and Sasha do not attend a profit making school paid for with public funds. They attend a traditional private school for which their parents pay.

      What is your point?

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    3. Anonymous5:32 AM

      Obama's salary is paid by whom?

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    4. Anonymous8:22 AM

      He is POTUS and, as such, his children may be targeted by any number of crazies. I don't blame him for putting his girls in private school where they can be better protected.

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  4. DelMartian3:05 PM

    The Rethuglicans want to 1) Make money from education and 2) make it so only their inbred kids get an education. It's much easier to control dummies than educated people.

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  5. Anonymous3:08 PM

    Perhaps he can be encourage to go crawl under a rock.

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  6. Problem is, they really believe this shit, thats why they are systematically dismantling education as we speak. Kansas, Wisconsin, next Ohio, Florida, this list grows...They take money from education and give it to the rich as tax breaks.

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  7. majii3:18 PM

    One of the elementary schools in my southern city was privatized a few years back, and the results were very disappointing. The company, Edison, had promised to increase each student's achievement. After collecting millions from the taxpayers, Edison was run out of town a couple years later. The project was a massive failure. Student achievement did NOT improve at all after privatization.

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  8. Anonymous3:22 PM

    I was a teacher for a short while. Went into it believing everyone else had the same hunger for information and learning that I have. When I found out they didn't, I couldn't keep on banging my head on a wall or desk or whatever.
    Not proud of the fact but being realistic for my own sanity.
    Had some great students and some not so great. Like the wrestler who came to my English class after wrestling practice without showering. Rather ripe.
    Needless to say I didn't last long. I have the utmost admiration for those who do get past all that and accomplish amazing progress. I had a couple of those in my experience and I still hold them in greatest respect and admiration.
    Sorry I couldn't have been like them. Hope I have given some thing in other ways.
    Thank you G and others who have the patience and stability to endure. We all need you and more like you.

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  9. Anonymous3:30 PM

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  10. Anonymous3:41 PM

    Here we go again. A few important points:

    1. Education does NOT equal manufacturing. Students do not come off an assembly line, each one a duplicate of the next. I cannot return a student to the factory the way a mechanic can return a defective transmission to the manufacturer. There are far more factors OUT of a teacher's control than within, and educators must teach regardless of the quality of the student, the support of the parent, or the resources provided by the school district.

    2. Private schools can determine the qualifications for students they will accept, and can expel a student who does not maintain certain standards. Public schools must educate EVERYONE. Students with severe physical, emotional or cognitive disabilities, students who are homeless, students who are neglected or abused, students who are hungry or ill - all of these children are provided with some kind of education.

    3. If an equal and set amount of funding is provided to both a public school and a private, for-profit one, in which school will less money go directly to servicing students? Is it the public school, which is required to invest their budgets in direct services, or the private one, which has an obligation to make a profit for its investors?

    There are children who will achieve great things despite great obstacles placed in their way. There are others who need tremendous support from school staff and resources in order to achieve the most basic of life skills. Let's not abandon the latter because of the innate abilities of the former.

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  11. Anonymous3:46 PM

    Plato and Socrates had a one to one student-teacher ratio. I doubt that he supports that instead of thirty kids per classroom.

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    1. Anonymous8:20 AM

      And only a very select few even got an education (which would probably be fine with this guy).

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  12. Anonymous4:00 PM

    I imagine that their fantasy school has the children wearing uniforms emblazoned with advertising on them like race car drivers, while the only textbook is a KJV bible.

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  13. ibwilliamsi4:16 PM

    It seems to me that Socrates was tried for corrupting youth and impiety, and found guilty and sentenced to death. Hemlock, wasn't it?

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  14. Anonymous4:46 PM

    Did he get his degree from Liberty University....

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  15. You are right. Education is not training. That's why Teachers (Yes, it should be capitalized!) are called educators, not trainers.

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  16. This is the genius who defeated Eric Cantor in the Republican primary.

    Of all the GOP moves, this systematic destruction of education has me the most scared.

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  17. Anonymous9:30 PM

    Does this mean we can move beyond "What would Jesus do?"

    Brat is between a "rock" and a hard place using this example.

    Does he want students to learn via the Socratic method, as well? I would guess not, as 5 year olds would be using their critical thinking skills and just laugh at his ignorance.

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  18. Anonymous5:56 AM

    Apparently he has been sitting UNDER A ROCK. And, btw, how much gubmi t aid money has this hypocrite received for his many degrees?

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  19. Anonymous5:58 AM

    Training: when you enter a voting booth, for god and country, vote straight republican ticket.

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