 |
| All of the e-mails were deleted? Oops my bad. |
Hillary Clinton permanently deleted all the emails on the private server she used to do official business as secretary of state, the Republican lawmaker who subpoenaed the emails said late Friday.
Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, chairman of the House committee investigating the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, said Clinton's lawyer informed him of the news.
"Secretary Clinton unilaterally decided to wipe her server clean and permanently delete all emails from her personal server," Gowdy said in a statement.
Gowdy had also asked that Clinton turn over her server to the State Department inspector general for an independent review.
Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall, said no. In his letter to Gowdy, Kendall said the former secretary of state "chose not to keep her non-record personal emails."
"Thus, there are no ... e-mails from Secretary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate or legally authorized," he wrote.
Clinton's lawyer further maintained that all of work related, or potentially work related e-mails had all been turned over to the state department last year. Which in no way is going to satisfy the Republicans who are convinced that Clinton is hiding something from them.
Once again I find myself understanding both sides.
On the one side it seems perfectly reasonable for people to assume that if Clinton had nothing to hide she would have no problem turning over her private server to a trusted third party to have it examined for anything that might be of use to the House investigating committee.
On the other hand this is like the third committee to investigate Clinton over Benghazi and there is really little doubt that they would have found something, no matter how small, to use against her in 2016, eve if it had NOTHING to do with Benghazi or their investigation.
Hillary remembers all too well that it was the Whitewater investigation, which led to Monica Lewinsky, a stained blue dress, and the impeachment of her husband.
Let's face it Gowdy is under enormous pressure to find something, and it is almost certain that he would have. Whether it was really there or not.
I have to say that as much as this leaves a sour taste in my mouth I am not sure that Hillary had much of a choice.
But let's not forget: IF there were any incriminating emails to or from Hillary, then the sender(s) or recipient(s) of such emails should still have a copy.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteI think it's more about personal emails than incriminating emails. Maybe the recipient is who is being protected.
DeleteGood for her for deleting them
If deleting was good for Colin Powell, it's good for Hillary Clinton.
DeleteIt's no different than what the GOP 2012 nominee did when he left his office of governor. Hey both sides do it, right?
DeleteSarah Palin did the same thing, saying that any of her personal Yahoo emails that were sent to state employees would have been retained.
DeleteAnonymous 1:24, not it's not the same thing. While every republican secretary of state and every republican governor (and every republican running for president, including Jeb Bush) has deleted all their emails, they did not first hand over all the emails in question to a governing body or investigating committee. Only Hillary has done this. Moreover, she has publicly requested that the State Department release and make publicly available all its emails from her. Thus, only Hillary, and not any GOPster, has made their emails publicly available. But, reality and logic are anathema to GOPsters, who are of course now falsely accusing Hillary of destroying documents. How can a person be guilty of destroying documents when they have already released all the documents in question, and when there is no proof, not even a scintilla, that documents subject to the request once existed, but no longer exist, and that that is due to document destruction on the requestee's part? There is a reason why Hillary had a whole team of lawyers separate her official emails from her personal ones, and why the official ones were then turned over.
DeleteAnd as for Hillary's personal emails (probably mostly to Chelsea and Bill), those are absolutely NONE of Congress's business, period.
This whole stink is solely a fishing expedition for the sole purpose of tainting Bill Clinton, and thus Hillary Clinton, by implication, and Hillary was smart enough to know this. The GOPsters are just dying to taint the Clinton Global Initiative Foundation (Bill and Chelsea), and thus Hillary by implication, and Hillary is having no part of it. Her allegedly private server, by the way, has been guarded by Bill's Secret Service agents all this time, hardly a case of an 'unsecured, unsafe' server.
I am certain that if the roles were reversed Democrats would be screaming for these emails. I don't trust Hillary and this adds to it. Imagine if Dick Cheney had a bunch of communiques about Iraq that he could pick and choose to share. regardless, doesn't the Government have a copy of all our emails in Utah anyway?
DeleteNo sour taste in my mouth. Trey Gowdy doesn't like it? Tough luck, suck on it! Republicans got away with it in the White House when KKKarl Rove used a personal server during the Scooter Libby investigation. How do you like that for false equivalency?
ReplyDeleteClinton made an enormous mistake by keeping her personal e-mails on the same server. That's what she told us she did, and we must believe her....
ReplyDeleteBut you know that the GOP would scour her personal e-mails to find messages to her daughter, or candid thoughts about politics, or financial information, no matter how tiny or unrelated.
There is, I've come to believe, "a vast right-wing conspiracy," and it's aimed not just at Clinton, but at any Democrat, progressive, or non-"christian." We all must help fight it. So I'm reluctantly in her corner on this one.
She may have made a mistake commingling her personal emails, but it was not illegal, and that is the sole issue: illegality. The issue is not: was it a 'mistake'? The issue is solely: was it legal?, and it was.
DeleteMy son works for a major cyber-security firm in D.C. He just laughs at this nonsense-much ado about nothing. BUt, you know, that interweb is a set of tubes...
ReplyDeleteSmar
ReplyDeletet to do it now- if she's considering a run for the White House. Get it over with, and do it on a Friday.
I thought Gowdy had investigated this issue more than once and they found NOTHING!!! And, the investigations were done WITH emails that were provided.
ReplyDeleteWhere is in the in depth reporting on this issue? I wouldn't provide them my server either! God, are these Republican loaded committees inept!!!!
Remember too - every person Hillary Clinton sent a memo - has a copy of it. Jesus are the Republican friggin' nuts!
What I have learned is that Hillary is far from alone. All kinds of government officials from Governors to Congressmen to former Secretaries of State have used personal email to communicate.
ReplyDeleteThey all need to stop. Official emails need to be on state or federal government servers.
The server Hillary used was far more secure than the server at the State Department, which has been hacked more than once (including in recent weeks – presumably by GOPster hacks??? You know, the James O'Keefe wing of the GOPster party??? JMO).
DeleteShe says she has turned over all of the work-related emails.
ReplyDeleteThe republicans have been poring over all of her emails for years without finding anything incriminating. She has been considered guilty without any evidence at all for years. There is no reason to doubt her in my opinion.
She says now that she has deleted all of her emails off of her personal servers and that they were personal emails only.
I have no problem with this because the republicans have zero, absolutely zero interest in ensuring that government employees are carrying out their responsibilities in an ethical, conscientious, honest, and competent way. Their only, and I mean only, interest in Clinton's emails is in finding something, anything, that no matter how trivial or meaningless they can blow into a campaign-destroying scandal.
They have spent millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars on this quest already and as far as I am concerned, they should be limited to spending RNC campaign funds from now on.
Their committees are not pursuing the national interest, but a purely partisan interest in winning the next election. Fuck them.
As for Clinton, she has been the target of republicans since 1992. I don't blame her for finally saying screw you, these are my personal emails and you don't get to see them. What's next? Will they demand that she strip naked for a body cavity search on the House floor, so that every sick, twisted fucking teabagger can preen and smirk and collect sound bites for their next campaign, proving that they bravely attacked the Clinton Monster?
In the mean time, they do nothing, absolutely nothing, in the way of actually legislating, governing, or trying to serve the country. Fuck them all, especially every last gummint hating teabagger that having been elected, is going to do everything they can to hang on to those sweet, sweet government dollars.
Nefer, I couldn't agree with you more. If they could get a hidden camera to take photos of her in the bathroom, they would. And they would publish the photos. THAT is the gutter level they are operating on. They've had over THREE YEARS to come up with something, anything, on this woman, and have found nothing. Now, all they have left is this meaningless allegation: "whaaah, you 'destroyed' documents you already gave us!!!"
DeleteI'm for Hillary and I say Good For Her!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWalker, Bush, Mitt ... let's see their servers.
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin: Americans who join ISIS should lose citizenship
ReplyDeleteMessage to would-be ISIS recruits: Sarah Palin doesn’t want you back. The former Alaska governor and current media firebrand said in a Facebook post Friday that Americans who leave the country to join a foreign terrorist organization should be stripped of their citizenship.
“As crazy as it sounds, a U.S. citizen who leaves this country to join ISIS, al Qaeda, or any other terrorist organization does not immediately lose his or her citizenship,” Palin wrote in the post. “That needs to change!”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/sarah-palin-americans-who-join-isis-should-lose-citizenship/
HELLLLOOOOO SARAH PALIN WHAT ABOUT THE CURRENT AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY WHO SEEKED TO SEPARATE ALASKA FROM THE UNION?
SARAH PALIN YOU FORGOT ABOUT THOSE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
OH WHAT ABOUT THOSE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY SYMPATHIZERS WHO WELCOMED THOSE TRAITORS TO ORGANIZE AND PLAN THE SEPARATION OF ALASKA FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATE POLITICAL LEADERS LIKE THE ALASKA STATE GOVERNOR WHO PERSONALLY WELCOMED AND ENCOURAGED THEIR CONVENTION IN HER STATE?
SARAH PALIN SHOULD ALL THOSE TRAITORS, DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS LOSE THEIR CITIZENSHIP?
REAL AMERICANS SAYS GET THOSE TRAITORS OUT OF HERE.
What those pimps in Alaska? They seek out and recruit men, women and children into the world of prostitution which tears the fabric of the American flag.
Delete2:11, You wouldn't be referring to AIP SARAH PALIN, would you? Or perhaps you were referring to her husband, AIP member, TODD PALIN? I wasn't sure...
DeleteI wonder what country Ms Carabooboo thinks might then grant them citizenship and then issue them a passport? And by the way, why would we WANT them living in a different country, far from the reach of our prosecutors, when we can prosecute them here and keep them 'under the prison' for the rest of their lives??? What is the/her motive for wanting them to get off Scot-free??? It's the same insanity as with Bowe Berghdal: why do the righties want him to stay in Afghanistan, far from the reach of a US military brig, when we proved that we could bring him home and then throw him in the brig afterward, perhaps/probably for the rest of his life? Look, righties, just because the photo of Bowe's parents expressing their gratitude to President Obama upset your tummies, is no reason to adopt a position that is contrary to the interests of the protection of the American people. After all, Bowe staying forever in Afghanistan, a country whose language he spoke, reaaaalllllly gives me the creeps. Don't we have enough problems with Afghan terrorists? Or does the right wing want us to legitimize the Americans who stupidly choose to join them? Yes, right wingerism IS a mental illness, and its positions will always result in harm to the righties' fellow American citizens.
DeleteHow short the Republicans memory is concerning deleted emails from the Bush presidency. It was between 5-22 MILLION
ReplyDeleteemails!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
There is no transparency in Government. Face it. Hillary hasn't even expressed an interest in running. Seems like a lot of people are putting the cart before their horse. She's private citizen Clinton right now and may decide to remain so.
ReplyDeleteI guess there won't be a "Benghazinado part dewx", oh well, as they say in france, "That's life". Guess she can't play "I'll show you mine when you show me yours" with the natives who took the corks off their pitchforks prematurely. Where are the folks asking Cruz for his birth certificate? He threw his hat in the ring and there's crickets chirping. Someone upthread mentioned the millions Bush had deleted, Where was the outrage then??
ReplyDeleteNot only did George W. Bush destroy millions of pages of emails he was required to keep as President, but so did Jeb Bush, with respect to millions of pages of emails he was required to keep as Florida governor. And so did Mitt Romney, who not only destroyed all the emails he was required to keep as governor of Massachusetts, but DESTROYED THE HARD DRIVE AS WELL. One standard for me, another standard for thee. It's the GOPster motto, doncha know?
DeleteIf the Repugs keep digging, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will enter the race.
DeleteDuring the interview Hillary gave at the UN about the e-mails,she said she had used the private server that Bill also used. That may be part of the reason republicans want the server so badly. If they can't find anything that sticks to Hillary, they will try for another Bill scandal. Whether there is one there or not. Why has Monica shown up again? Last time anyone heard from her, was when Hillary was running against Obama.
ReplyDeleteThis targeted faux e-mail outrage is so obviously "get Hillary". The republicans and the media have left Mitt (of the removed all the hard drives from computers fame), Jeb (released e-mails with other peoples ss# etc and used a private account), Perry (ordered deletion of all e-mails after 7 days as routine during his term as governor - no FOIA for him),Colin Powell (who set up the private system for Sec of State) Walker, etc alone on their e-mail misadventures.
Anonymous4:31 PM
ReplyDelete2:11, You wouldn't be referring to AIP SARAH PALIN, would you? Or perhaps you were referring to her husband, AIP member, TODD PALIN? I wasn't sure..
All those treacherous traitors
I think people are overlooking the fact that Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. I'm confident she knows what she's doing.
ReplyDelete1) Delay announcing run for President until last minute.
2) Save your money and let them scramble and spend their money looking for scandal.
2) Use the long-game strategy. Play chess...not checkers.
Although I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, I'm rooting for her.
Gotta love all the blind defense of Hillary.
ReplyDeleteShe is toast.
Isn't that what you were posting about Palin?
DeleteWhy would I care or post anything about a long gone meaningless ex politician wannabe reality star who isn't expected, or going to, run for any political office 10:04? Who cares about Palin, I mean other than you apparently?
DeleteOh nooooooo. She has nothing to hide.
ReplyDeleteRiggghhhhttt. Then why does she act like she does?
Entitled is what she thinks she is. We somehow owe her for all she's been through. And for picking Mr Barry Obama over her in 2008.
I'm telling you, if she is the face of the Democratic party, you might as well hand the keys to the White House over to the Republicans next year. She has way too much baggage. Bring on some real competition.
Take a damn good look at the "face of the repub. party" I.Q.'s as high as room temperature. Pasts that they are frantically trying to coverup. Worship the rich. Take their "talking points" from the Koch boys. This Sunday all the bobble heads will be yammering about Hillary's "problem" The gop is TERRIFIED of intelligent people, hence W, $carah Payme, Looney Louie Gohmert, Savior Cruz. Jeez, what a group, not ,a viable, sensible' HONEST one in the entire group.
Delete8:57 PM Where's the PROOF?
DeleteHillary is far from toast. The righties have been saying she is toast since 1992, and have been single-handedly out to get her all these years. Ignoring them completely, she went on to become the first woman senator elected from New York state (twice!), and Secretary of State, in addition to writing another best-selling book. She is respected literally all over the world, and has repeatedly, for several years, been the winner of the survey that asks the question, "which American woman do you respect the most?" Her husband runs a foundation that has raised literally several hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars (that's billions, with a b, not millions, with an m) that go to help impoverished people all over the world. Despite his fling with Monica, he, too, is respected on an international level. I can't imagine the size of their combined rolodexes – and combined ability to fund-raise. Wowee! And (unlike the famous republican dynastic family, the Bushes) none of this occurred because either one of them was born into a wealthy family: no, each of them attained their positions in life on their own merits, working extremely hard every step of the way. No WONDER the righties are in a jealousy snit.
ReplyDeleteBut I'll tell you what IS toast. And that is right-wing hate-ism. The people of this country, other than the perpetually angry and willfully ignorant right-wingers, have had it 'up to here' with right-wing craziness. Even the righties' own children have 'had it': they are leaving the faith and right-wing politics in huge percentages – 70%, last I read. Hate. and. hypocrisy. do. not. sell. well. with children.
Believe me, Hillary is not the problem with the righties. Losing their own children is/will be the problem with righties. By obsessing with minding everyone else's business, they have lost sight of what is happening under their own roofs. I am a Christian (but not a rightie, and neither was Jesus) and must confess: I see very, very few non-dysfunctional families among teavangelicals. In fact, I have to say that after over 30 years of close observation, that almost all of their families are seriously, drastically, almost sick-o dysfunctional. That kind of scenario will not make for any kind of domestic happiness or tranquility, let alone any kind of meaningful family legacy. Everyone else looking at the righties can see this: they are absolutely the butt of jokes nationwide, on a daily basis. But apart from the laughing (and they supply loads of laugh material to all the rest of us), there is an enormous tragedy of their own making that will eventually destroy everything meaningful in their lives.
Well... That's one good way to stop wasting millions on the never ending stream of Benghazi Hearings... LOL
ReplyDeleteThe Regressive Party needs to Refocus on what is important in this country, this can only be helpful...
I agree with most of your comments on righties. But in spite of that, they kicked butt this last election. You aren't reading the mood of the country very well.
ReplyDeleteObamacare was the nail in the coffin. Sure they people who get it for a reduced rate and with pre existing conditions love it. But the part of the country that's paying for it despises it.
New York is not the whole country. You'll find that out in the next election. There is a big anybody but Hillary contingent who will turn out to see that she's not elected. And it's not just Republicans. Check out the comments on The Mudflats Blog. Much more realistic liberals there.
Here's one smoking gun that may have been in a deleted email message from Hil's server:
ReplyDeletehttp://rt.com/usa/243017-ukraine-clinton-foreign-donors/
Speculation with no proof is the Republican way. But as for the Palin AIP membership there is proof. Prosecute all domestic terrorists.
Deleteand another ...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/25/business-dealings-hillary-clinton-brother-raise-new-email-questions/
It is just amazing to me the defenders of Queen Hillary. When will enough be enough? Have we just become this drama-thirsty public that demands daily prime-time smoke and mirrors of reality. The idea that we must elect Hillary because she is a women is insane - here is an idea let's elect the best representative and if that person is a women she will have my vote. If there is nothing on the server then turn it over and when you are cleared ride that pony all the way to the White House. I'm not a member of the right or the left I'm that majority which should be called the "frozen middle". We are male, female, diverse, straight, gay ... you name it. We are paralyzed by the thought of brutal truth. When we stop worrying about making others believe our opinions and political views are the number one priority, maybe we can begin to do the right thing for the hard working citizens of this country.
ReplyDeleteI would add to that, all of the investigating committee members should give up their servers and hard drives also. I am sure that they would not object(good luck with that).
DeleteSo so sorry to all you baby boomer and slightly older ladies, and to the 'men' who apparently aren't aware they have testicles. Hillary is not going to be president.
ReplyDelete