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Janet and I want to affirm our support for the Duggar family. Josh’s actions when he was an underage teen are as he described them himself, 'inexcusable,' but that doesn’t mean 'unforgivable.' He and his family dealt with it and were honest and open about it with the victims and the authorities. No purpose whatsoever is served by those who are now trying to discredit Josh or his family by sensationalizing the story. Good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things. The reason that the law protects disclosure of many actions on the part of a minor is that the society has traditionally understood something that today’s blood-thirsty media does not understand—that being a minor means that one's judgement is not mature. No one needs to defend Josh’s actions as a teenager, but the fact that he confessed his sins to those he harmed, sought help, and has gone forward to live a responsible and circumspect life as an adult is testament to his family’s authenticity and humility. Those who have enjoyed revealing this long ago sins in order to discredit the Duggar family have actually revealed their own insensitive bloodthirst, for there was no consideration of the fact that the victims wanted this to be left in the past and ultimately a judge had the information on file destroyed—not to protect Josh, but the innocent victims. Janet and I love Jim Bob and Michelle and their entire family. They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection. It is precisely because we are all sinners that we need His grace and His forgiveness. We have been blessed to receive God’s love and we would do no less than to extend our love and support for our friends. In fact, it is such times as this, when real friends show up and stand up. Today, Janet and I want to show up and stand up for our friends. Let others run from them. We will run to them with our support.
Well that made me throw up in my mouth a little.
And I was not alone, get a load of some of the comments that showed up on Huckabee's page:
I respectfully disagree. His behavior is unforgivable to me and so is covering it up and allowing it to continue. Can't hide behind Jesus to excuse all bad behavior.
Well you have lost my support! I'm a conservative Christian, and was once a Duggar supporter, but I believe that 14 years old or not he should have never been allowed to continue to live in the home with the girls, and the show should have never aired. He damaged those girls for he rest of their lives, and anyone who can carry on and say it's ok now because he admitted he was wrong is just as sick as him.
I think you just kissed your chances away for the presidential nomination.
You all are insane. He molested children. And Mr. Huckabee if he was a child not aware of his actions, why is a 14 year tried as an adult for killing. Give me a break. So if abusers repent they dont deserve to be punished??? Or just "good" Christians on tv. Does it worry anyone he has children. Wow.
I was really happy that you decided to run for president but now you have lost my support. I'm was a victim of sexual molestation and it may go away for the abuser nut it doesn't for the victims. We may forgive, but we don't forget. Child molesters takes away our chance of having a normal child, a normal teenager, and a normal adult. I will mo longer support or vote for you. Nobody is thinking about victims on all this.
Let me get this straight (no pun intended). This man will publicly support an admitted child molester, but will condemn a gay couple. What sense or logic is involved with this? And the fact that his family helped to cover up this atrocity, is even more baffling. In my line of work I have seen firsthand the effects are of children who were molested by adults or other children. I am sorry but these actions should be condemned. And the show of support is absolutely ridiculous. Shame on you Mike. And shame on all of you referencing "he who is without sin may cast the first stone", what happened to Matthew 19:14.
And believe me these go on, and on, and on.
You know this will prove to be so damaging to Huckabee's chances of winning the Republican nomination that I'm almost surprised that Jeb Bush has offered his support to Josh Duggar as well.
(H/T to Raw Story.)
I'm of two minds. ON the one hand, I was truck by the comment that says gays are condemned, but child molestation is to be forgiven. On the other hand, if we make child molesters pay for their actions for the rest of their lives, why should they ever try to reform. I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences, and I am saying that children should be protected from such people.
ReplyDeleteBut this happened as a minor, and my understanding is he really doesn't do that anymore. He thinks it's wrong.
I'd rather see the show continue, and show how the family, and Josh have dealt with this. Sunshine is a lot more effective than driving things underground
Lucy
Those people do not deserve a platform from which they make a lot of money... it is a cult lifestyle and it has not place in mainstream society.
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What a crock of shit. He knew it was wrong then too. He hid it from his parents long enough to claim five victims. Those aren't the actions of some curious kid who was never taught right from wrong. And what are you basing your assumption that he "really doesn't do that anymore"? His say-so? I'm sure Gryphen will be reporting soon on the pedophiles from whom Josh received "counselling". For all we know they just taught him how to hide it better.
DeleteYea....I'd like to see the show continue too ...... with both parents in prison
DeleteYou lost me when you equated gays to child molesters and suggest gays can also be forgiven if they stop being gay. The other statement that it's your understanding he doesn't do the molesting any longer is even richer. Do you sleep with him so you can personally comment on his current sexual behavior? Somehow I doubt you have first-hand knowledge of whether he's still molesting or not. You defense of this situation, couched in a clucking of the tongue as though you think he made a "little" fourteen year old mistake when he fact the information suggests he fondled several girls, including sisters, for quite some time.
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First, the research overwhelmingly shows that such actions (predatory abuse of younger/vulnerable victims as opposed to, say, consensual "exploration" by same-aged minors) tend to be lifelong behaviors, with an extremely high recidivism rate even AFTER all known counseling interventions.
Second, the assumption itself is flawed given that these actions take place within a fringe Christianist sect which pointedly seeks to isolate its female children through homeschooling, and also teaches them that not only are they to submit to males, but that they (the women and even young girls) are responsible for acting and dressing modestly so as not to cause the males to experience impure thoughts and feelings.
More victims? Most likely. But who knows if they also came forward, and what wagons were circled.
The first victim reported it right away to her father. Father scolded Josh. Josh did it again. Father prayed. Josh did it again and again to five daughters (one year after the first incident). Then father decided to look into the "treatment" program that was one year of hard labor, and decided instead of that option, to send the boy to a friend to work in construction (similar work as the "treatment" program, without the cost and the long time absence from the family). I doubt the "treatment" program was licensed or ran by credential therapists, maybe just religious authorities, but JimBob didn't want to spend the money and decided to do his own version of it. So JimBob knew the first time it happened. Josh didn't accept that he did anything wrong until he was sent away. (He said 12 years ago he made a mistake, his mistake was the time that he got sent away but not the others? Maybe the last straw was molesting the 4 year old?) Imagine telling your parents and having them shrug their shoulders and tell the girls how submissive they must be to men.
DeleteI might give Josh a *tiny* bit of leeway, as he was 14, and raised into what amounts to a cult. Josh is nothing more than a product of his environment.
DeleteThe real monsters here are Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. They KNEW this was going on, covered it up, and didn't send either Josh and his four sisters who were VICTIMS to treatment.
Completely disgusting. I hope the show is taken off of the air for good. Both Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar deserve to face criminal charges, because they allowed this abuse to go on in their own household. But I know that will never happen.
I feel for those girls.
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DeleteThank you.
6:06 AM Would you think the same way if YOUR daughter was one of his victims? 'Driving things underground'? Is that like 'sealing family records' or faking a pregnancy? Is that like the secret pregnancies of Bristol Palin? Is that like Todd Palin's Pimping and sex trafficking? Is that you, 'Lucy in the sky'?
DeleteJosh is a predator, pure and simple, and statistically speaking, will likely attack and rape again.
DeleteHe should be in jail, receiving psychiatric treatment.
The problem is the repressive family which was so sex negative and allowed him only contact with his sibs and no comprehensive sez education. It:s the parents who areore guilty and clueless than Josh. His problem was that he presumed to publicly condemn and be paid for doing so/consenting adults who support s/s marraige as if he were a model of sexual circumspection
DeleteHe reaches the age of 15 without knowing "it was wrong"? How do you think the 4 year old felt when he was supposed to be reading her a story.
DeleteBubba you get violated your tune will change!
DeleteI don't know if Josh is still doing it or not. I assumed the way the story was told, he isn't. I find it plausible that a 14-year-ld boy doesn't continue the behavior. Some do. Some don't.
DeleteIf he is still doing it, I say keep it on the air and let it be seen by the public. Probably more effective than driving it underground.
I'm not trying to defend Josh or molestation. I'm trying to consider how do we best help molesters so they don't create any new victims. (and much as it might be tempting, sending them all to an island isn't realistic) Nor does jail work very well (well, it works temporarily while they are out of circulation. But they will get out again). Lucy
I do struggle with demonizing ALL molesters as evil and unforgiveable. Not because I think they are poor misunderstood little boys - but because if we demonize them, forever and always, then there is no incentive to seek help, before or after acting on such urges. So if someone really has changed, I think we should accept the change - while being careful. I don't think I'd want him at a day care, teaching, etc.
DeleteFor those of you who feel Josh should be tarred and feathered (a feeling I totally understand), how to you suggest he get help to stop harming children, without risking further punishment so that he avoids getting the help desperately needed?
The only equating of gays and molesters that I have seen was the comment that it seems awfully hypocritical, and lacking compassion, for Huckabee to say gays are going to hell, but molesters should be forgiven. Not sure where you heard something else. I didn't hear anyone say gays and molesters were somehow synonymous
DeleteLucy seems to have far more sympathy for the "poor" 15-year-old boy who molested five girls than for the little girls (ages 4 and up) who he sexually abused.
DeleteNo not really, although I understand why it may seem that way.. I have a great deal of compassion and empathy for victims of child abuse. More than you know.
DeleteI just want to find a solution that will create fewer victims. I'm not suggesting Josh should just "go his way." I just don't think demonizing and shunning all molesters, and taking away their lifestyles out of vengeance, serves victims or society. I'm not saying you have to become friends with them. Or trust your children with them. I just think demonizing doesnt' serve us, particularly if someone has been "clean" for several years. and I guess I don't see how cancelling the show serves victims. I think showcasing the problems of such a rigid upbrining, or showing his struggle, and perhaps those of his victims IF THEY CHOOSE, would be better.
I think the hypocrisy and problems of the rigid religious upbringing would be better dealt with by showing the effects, than by cutting off access to the information so that it's cult-like stuff the rest of us don't see. Perhaps showing him NOW taking full responsbility for his behavior, and it's effect on victims and survivors.
Mostly, I don't want MORE victims by driving discussion of SA underground.
"... and my understanding is he really doesn't do that anymore. He thinks it's wrong. I'd rather see the show continue, and show how the family, and Josh have dealt with this".
DeleteDear God in heaven give us strength to deal with the rampant Stupidity that exists in this country.
Well. I don't know which is worse, skinning a dog alive (as Huckabee's son is alleged to have done) or molesting little girls. These Christians sure are full of... well something. WWJD?
ReplyDeleteMike should have known speaking up for Josh would only bring up his own parenting results with his son.
DeleteMike Huckabee has pulled off deflecting attention to Josh Duggar instead of the criminal actions of the parent of the girls, Jim Bob Duggar. Jim Bob did NOT protect the girls under his care from a known predator. The girls did NOT get counseling. The girls had to continuing living in the same house as their molester and be subjected to continued molestation.
DeleteJim Bob Duggar is still hoping to tout his brand of "Christianity" on TV and Huckabee is giving him aid and comfort.
Huckabee demonized the President and First Lady for allowing their daughters to listen to Beyonce, but thinks it's wonderful that the Duggar's covered up their son systematically sexually abusing his sisters.
DeleteThe problem is lack of personal accountability or even remorse. Once I apologize to God and forgiven,I can do it again. It is only an issue simply because he was discovered.Abusers are only sorry when caught!
ReplyDeleteJosh said he made a mistake 12 years ago. (That was the time when he was finally sent away to do construction work with a family friend). Josh was feeling up his sisters for a full year before that. I think the last straw was being caught with the 4 year old.
DeleteHuckabee (and other slimy Republicans, Ted Cruz, for example) think two adults who love one another is an abomination, but - because he a famous Christian - Josh Duggar gets a pass for molesting little girls.
ReplyDeleteIncluding his own sisters.
Not only that, but when it is a child of color they are all, "it's the parents and lock him up throw away the key"
DeleteI hope ALL of the so called candidates just knock themselves out supporting serial Josh Duggar.. He was doing it right up until his 18th birthday which would have been prosecuted as an adult.
ReplyDeleteHe is no longer doing it?
Yeah. He's married and on the fourth kid in how many years?
Out there fighting gay rights?
As Dakota would say...."Duh."
Everything EVERYTHING is about SEx. Those people have been FUCKING each other FOR Generations.. Its called INcest and child molestation for a reason, not Family values..unless god forgives..
ReplyDeleteFUCK - wake up people..
Boy if that isn't the truth! I was thinking back over the last decade and all the sexcapades these "holier than thou" nut job Republicans have been caught up in. Look at Palin and how she projects her faults onto others. Hypocrites every last one of them, and why should I listen to anything they have to say?
DeleteWant to know what is really behind this scandal?
ReplyDeleteStart googling combinations of
Duggar, IBLP, Bill Gothard, prison ministry, Mike Huckabee, Institute in Basic Life Principles and shiite republicans.
It is way worse than you think.
Whoa! You are so right! I look forward to an agnostic nation.
DeleteDamned right, this shit goes all the way up to Huckabee's old office, no wonder he scrubbed his computers and had the justice dept destroy that file the other day... Me thinks it contained some VERY incriminating evidence of adults in collusion with each other to protect a child sex ring.
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Josh Duggar also worked with the molester Bill Gothard.
DeleteHobby Lobby donated the building that Got-hard used for Christian "rehab".
Delete"... he had the justice dept destroy that file ..."
DeleteThe local police dept destroyed the file. Get it right.
These Republican religious freaks make me want to barf!
ReplyDeleteI've never liked Huckabee! Also, think his take on this particular issue to be very detrimental to him as far as running for POTUS is concerned.
I'm a senior now, but was a child and teenager of abuse. It is something you never get over!
These males hiding behind their god as to forgiveness is total bullshit as far as I'm concerned!
Could not have scripted this whole chain of events any better myself. The "Holy(er) than thou" family has been shown for what it is. Criminal hypocrisy...and it involves children and incest. But hey, it's Arkansas .....
ReplyDeleteAfter thought, what are the chances of a family seeking guidance from a law enforcement official who is a pedophile ? This story just writes itself.
So true! My hope is that the Duggar family and its Quiverfull Christianist sect have finally been exposed for the abusive cult it is, rather than the idealized, pure-minded "just one big family" hokum we've had to witness on TLC.
DeleteThis TLC show has been a very sly, insidious indoctrination, serving as a means of mainstreaming and 'normalizing" what is an extreme sect with extreme views and values.
The programming has concealed many of the important facts about the actual beliefs and practices taught these children; the active political agenda and organized coordination between religious groups and legislators in Arkansas and elsewhere; and the PR veneer overlaying what is a destructive and coercive culture.
Maybe Michelle Duggar will be called out on the hypocrisy of recording a robocall supporting legislation that would protect her daughters from transgendered used of bathrooms, yet who did not protect her own daughters from a known predator in their own home.
Maybe Jim Bob Duggar will be called out on his choice of the Arkansas state trooper to give Josh his stern talking-to, who shortly afterward was convicted of child pornography, sentenced & paroled and who then re-offended and is now serving a 60-year sentence.
And just maybe the Duggar daughter who wants to go to college will actually break free and do it! A music degree at a Christian college, but still!
One thing that I haven't heard yet is did the girls get counseling? Women in these communities are just cattle & that's why it's not a big deal to them. That's why it was excused. They are just uneducated baby makers. I saw an article about one of the older girls that wants to go to college before getting married & Jim Bob is against it. It's fucking christian college for a religious music degree! These poor girls. Did anyone notice Josh's wife looks like one of his sister's? Insanity...
ReplyDeleteQuiverful and similar cults intend to keep all females in servitude. It's a man's world, dontcha know?
DeleteDaddy could not allow the authorities to be called in immediately because Child Protective Services would have been called in and those girls would have been fully examined (both physically and mentally). Dear Daddy also needed the time to indoctrinate those girls. And Mommy, she is the most disgusting of them all....
Delete"Mistake," eh, Mike? Try "pattern."
ReplyDeleteyes, it was definitely a pattern, multiple incidents with multiple victims
DeleteI (don't) HEART Huckabee
ReplyDeleteI predict the clown car will be dropping off Shmuckabee at the next exit...
ReplyDeleteSheesh
Fox has already started to be nasty to him so he is toast.
DeleteThe Huckster was governor of Arkansas at the time of the original events and nine months later when more occurred. Jim Bob Duggar was an Arkansas state legislator representing his district, and also served as the assistant chair of the state's criminal justice committee, which is likely how he could pull some strings and also knew who to go to for the stern talking-to from a state law enforcement office (the one now serving 50+ years for repeated possession of child pornography, no less.)
ReplyDeleteHuckabee is now so craven that he is making a grab for all the Duggar-demographic by showing his support. I think he also must have been in on the call that resulted in the extraordinary order by a state judge to destroy (not seal) all records related to Josh Duggar's offenses.
The problem so many have is not really just with Josh Duggar and his actions, no matter how wrong. What is truly heinous is the actions of the adults involved: the parents who did not protect the victims but instead allowed him to continue to live in the house (the details include: he fondled and groped the 5 victims not only at night both sleeping and awake, but also while reading and standing in the laundry room!).
Not only did the adults responsible for this predator NOT report it until nine months after first learning about it (when more/continuing abuse was revealed) but used their influence with the to protect him from consequences. His adult political and religious cronies helped him do it.
Harpo Studios learned of it when they received an email before the Duggar family was to appear on Oprah, and the email was forwarded to authorities. A short while later TLC put their show on the air.
Those 5 (and counting) victims meanwhile "forgave" Josh while continuing to live in a family and isolated homeschooled culture with a central tenet of female submission to males (fathers, brothers, husbands) and that females bear the responsibility to dress and act modestly so as not to "defraud" males.
Huckabee disgusts me, along with the judge who just ordered the destruction of case records, local law enforcement authorities, TLC producers and programmers (who ran a Josh=centered marathon Thursday!), good ol' Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, and all adult participants in the fringe Christian Quiverfull sect with its culture of female submission.
End of my Sunday morning rant :) in what passes for Sunday school in my house.
Amen and AMEN!
DeleteHuckabee also pardoned rapists: Clemmons and DuMond. One of these men went on to rape a four year old child and the other one killed four policeman in Washington. The policemen were having a lunch at the time.
DeleteNo wonder he got his governorship disk drives destroyed....
DeleteAnd he pulled strings to cover up the "misadventures" of his own sons: one, a Boy Scout leader who skinned a dog, and the other who attempted to board a commercial flight with a loaded handgun.
DeleteKind of like Sarah and her "rape kits"?
DeleteLet me get this straight (no pun intended). This man will publicly support an admitted child molester, but will condemn a gay couple. What sense or logic is involved with this?
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No logic. And the only sense involved is nonsense. Hypocritical asses.
Mildred
These fundamentalists are the same folks who support treating 14 year olds as adults in the criminal justice system. A teenager who started molesting his own sisters at age 14 certainly knew that behavior was wrong. They are framing it in such a way that it was a youthful transgression. He was not some preschooler plating doctor. How many people in prison started their "career" as a teenager?
ReplyDeleteOmg. Maybe he is doing the same thing!
ReplyDeleteIsn't religion wonderful? You can do whatever you want, pray for forgiveness, and when you decide in your heart you've received the answer you wanted, it's all good.
ReplyDeleteI clearly remember in 2nd grade at recess hearing my friends tell about all the things they got away with and only had to go to confession to be forgiven. I promptly went home and demanded my parents take me to church. No go.
DeleteDoomed do-gooder atheist,
Mildred
Hucksterbee is like $carah, ANYTHING to get his name in the news. Jump aboard any story, before thinking of the ramifications. Besides, he has his own scandals to hide. One of his obese sons caught a stray dog, stoned it, hanged it then cut it's throat. He was a youth advisor for the boy scouts, so everything was covered up. The judge who helped was later appointed to a higher position by Gov. Huckster. Another obese son was caught trying to board a plane with a loaded gun. These "family values" politicians are a hoot, aren't they?
ReplyDeleteBy defending their "brethren" are these politicians subconsciously trying to commit political suicide?
DeleteI cannot understand their motives -- are they that out of touch with main-stream, progressive values?
Does Huckabee read his FB comments? Do they sink in or are they filtered through epistemic closure that filters any conflicting viewpoints?
Do they believe themselves to be wrong is simply impossible? because they believe what the Bible says and it is inerrant, so they are, too?
Reasoning with them must be like putting a key against the concrete wall -- no responding keyhole.
Simply vomit-inducing! Shame on Mike Huckabee for his utter lack of compassion for the victims of the crimes he so casually brushed off- that IS, of course, if it is committed by a contributor or potential right-wing (white Christian)voter. Would you have stepped up to defend any old teenager? A black kid, for example? Or a poor one? Or a non-Christian one? No, I thought not. You are such a phony! Fortunately, you do not stand a chance in HELL to be the nominee.
ReplyDeletehuckster knows he will never be elected....he is another grifter who knows running provides more opportuniies to make money....he will also get to keep any campaign money he gets.....a pharisee, hypocrite.
DeleteJust glad that they didn't cure the problem in the biblical way, by making the abuser marry his victims.
ReplyDeleteYou are out of your fucking mind! The girls lives are ruined! There is no cure for pedophilia! The big question is how many more victims are out there? There is more to this story than meets the eyes. That show needs to be cancelled and all monies left over put into the coffers for the victims. Fuck Huck!
ReplyDeleteFuck Huck -- good one. Is he getting the message through his FB comments? Hope so.
DeleteWhen you realize no one cares you will be all right...bobble head rapists they R!
DeleteBeing molested in your home by your own family members is far more damaging than by a stranger. You can hate the stranger for what they did to you. You can avoid the stranger and feel pretty comfortable that "it" will never happen again. You get love and support from those you love. When you are molested in your own home, in you own bed, in a common room that you have to go to on a regular basis--that memory always lingers with you. The memory of the assault. Will it happen again here? You can't avoid your perp. You will have to spend time together. You will have to do errands together. You wonder will it happen again now. You can't sleep comfortably in your own bed--what if I fall asleep and he comes in? You worry about keeping others safe, and become hyper sensitive to the looks given to a younger sibling. Always in the back of your mind you are scare for yourself and for others you want to protect. But you need to be a good girl and smile and pretend that none of it really mattered, and that you love your perp. If you didn't love your perp, then you are the bad one--Jesus expects us to forgive. What power the perp has over you. No matter how many times you suffer, you must forgive your perp again and again. When you perp is a family member, you will not receive love and support from your family. You are looked at as a co-conspirator as creating this problem. How did YOU allow it to happen. You can't expect to be able to share your feelings about what happen, they want to forget about it. Also, your behaviors at home will start being examined as being the reason it happened. Did you walk out of the bathroom with a towel on? Was that bathing suit you wore at the lake too revealing? Having a perp live with their victim is continuing the abuse for the victims. The perp needs to go, and should only return when they accept 100% responsibility. The family should be supporting the victims and not protecting the perp. Josh's apology sounds more like a lawyer's apology and not a sincere one from someone who acknowledges how he truly screwed up him family. This wasn't breaking a dish that was passed down for generations, that people are sad about. This is especially hard for the daughters who are being raised to give their body over to their spouse at the time of marriage. No premarital sex permitted, no premarital kissing even. Can you imagine how these girls must feel as if they are damaged goods? To hear that family preach that message even after they knew 5 of their daughters had been violated by their son, it must have been damaging to them. To not be able to kiss and hug a man that they love and intend to marry because it is a sin, but to have to put up with groping brother and to forgive him is asking too much.
ReplyDeleteYours is by far the most potent indictment I've read. Thank you for putting the spotlight where it belongs: on the victims and their experience...and the absolute failure of those adults charged first with protecting them and then later with helping them heal
DeleteMy perp lived in our house- he and my older sister had married 2 years earlier (just after he molested me) and they had to move in for a while. It was horrific and I will never forget my many months of paranoia. I didn't ever want to be home alone with him in the house. He never touched me again, but he was a peeping tom. Nobody knew. My mother even had him teach me to drive. I'm surprised we didn't crash, I was so preoccupied with fear. 20 years later, when I finally told her, she went nuts on him. And my sister, who was in the middle of divorcing him, told me she probably would have married him any way. He of course, denied anything at all happened. I'm nearly 50. He is the father of three of the most important children (and their children) in my life. And I hate him. Forever. Unforgiven. Unforgotten.
Deletewell said....please repost on huckabee's facebook page.
Delete1st sentence.. Unless the parents you trust @ age 3-4-5 bring strangers into the home (aka-babysitters who are male) and that person molestest you sleeping in the same room as your brother and no one ever really protects you. That was just the 1st time,but Just blames.. Im 55 now.. It never leaves and changes everything that might have been.forever in one's life..
DeleteIf there are any good reporters left out there, they should ask Huckabee, "Governor, since you believe Josh should be forgiven for a youthful indiscretion, when will you shut down all the sexual predator and sex offender registries? If people make mistakes, shouldn't they all be forgiven?"
ReplyDeleteValid point.
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Yours is by far the most potent indictment I've read. Thank you for putting the spotlight where it belongs: on the victims and their experience...and the absolute failure of those adults charged first with protecting them and then later with helping them heal
ReplyDeleteThis squirrel eating son of a bitch is never going to be President.
ReplyDeleteThe pair may not be exchanging vows, but they do plan on seeing each other Saturday. The former Alaska governor, 61, also noted that both families will be coming together to "celebrate life" in Kentucky. She added: "Family members and close friends know they are welcome to share a great bar-b-que on the farm that day."
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USmagazine thinks Sarah Palin is 61 years old!! Sarah is not going to like that!
61 years old? She looks older.
DeleteThey thought they were paying her a compliment.
Well, since we know she doesn't like to pass around birth certificates, let's all act like that's accurate! :)
Delete"...but they do plan on seeing each other Saturday."
DeleteVia FaceTime?
On a positive note: General Mills has pulled its advertising at TLC....contact those sponsors!
ReplyDeleteThis fat prick and people like him are worthless scum. Sanctimonious, holier than thou, bigoted, racist grifting hypocrites. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, Yeah, and that includes you palin and your cunty daughter.
ReplyDeletePeople like him and his animal torturing fat fuck of a kid, never seem to get whats coming to them. Instead they make millions off their brain dead religious nut followers. The fucking world is upside down.
According to the police report released by InTouch, Josh’s father Jim Bob (referred to in the report as “James”) first learned of Josh’s behavior in March 2002, when one victim approached Jim Bob and said that Josh touched her breasts and genitals while she slept.
ReplyDeleteJim Bob appears not to have acted on the accusation. In July 2002, Josh, then 14 years old, admitted to the behavior to his father, prompting Jim Bob to “discipline” Josh but not report the incident to the authorities.
In March 2003, according to the report, Josh fondled a victim while he read a book to her. Jim Bob was made aware of this and several more accusations—victims accused Josh of touching their breasts and genitals while they slept, and sometimes while they were awake.
The police report suggests that four of Josh’s sisters were victims. In 2002, there were five sisters living in the Duggar house: Jana, then 12; Jill, 11; Jessa, 10; Jinger, 9; and Joy-Anna, 5. http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
Josh didn't prey on the oldest sister, maybe because he was afraid she'd take him out. Instead, he preyed on the baby.
DeleteMaybe she was too old for him.
DeleteO/T the mainstream media is starting to get a whiff http://perezhilton.com/2015-05-24-bristol-palin-roadtripping-exotic-model-friend#.VWH8sJO4ST8
ReplyDeleteAnyone from Alaska defending Huck?
ReplyDeleteDouchebag Prevo should be spewing something soon.
DeleteHow these people (and I mean religious nutcases) accept this deviant behavior and 'forgive' it because their 'God' told them they are forgiven is beyond disgusting. But the gays! It's always the gays that are ruining marriage and hurt children. Oh I am so sick and tired of these religious holier than thou, bible thumping self righteous pigs I could scream. Now, let me tell you how I really feel!
ReplyDeleteApparently the channel that hosts the family is trying to get away with just firing the child molester, but doing nothing to his parents who made sure the statute of limitations was over by the time anyone found out. Who are the sponsors? They need to be made aware that keeping the parents in the program on TV is not any more acceptable than keeping the child molester they raised on the show.
ReplyDeleteNo one likes child molesters.
ReplyDeleteNo one.
Read the comments from Hicbee's former supporters.
Not even hard-right conservative Christians.
Today's GOP has been out of touch with mainstream America for so long they still believe Sarah has influence.
IOW, they are all living in Sarahland.
There are routinely posts here at IM about the increasing percentages of Americans who are abandoning religion. If there is any silver lining in this horrible matter it's that that percentage just increased some more yet, thanks to Huckabee's inability to recognize an opportune moment to shut up.
ReplyDeleteWhat a pair of jerks. I can't think of anyone I would be less likely to vote for than Huckabee. And that other creep should have to get a red "child molester" tattoo on his forehead.
ReplyDeleteLadies and gentlemen!
ReplyDeleteLet's give a warm uber-xtian, hillbilly welcome to failed inchoate presidential wannabe, MIKE!!!! HUCK!! HUCK!! HUCKABEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
would be interesting to see if Huckabee defended all the innocent young black boys who were doing *absolutely nothing* yet still managed to be murdered by police. anyone know his stance on asll those police murders?
ReplyDeleteInteresting details from a Huffington Post story: a forgotten letter in a book? WTF? (A TPM story includes describes the letter writer as a 61-year-old female)
ReplyDeleteA 2006 police report, which was obtained by In Touch before its destruction, indicates that family patriarch Jim Bob Duggar knew as early as 2002 that Josh Duggar -- who was 14 at the time -- was accused of sexually abusing an underage girl. The teen was ultimately accused of inappropriately touching five underage girls, some of whom were his sisters, between 2002 and 2003.
Police did not find out about the allegations until 2006, when they were tipped off to a letter discussing the incidents, the AP reports. A family friend had lent another person a book, and the letter was stuck inside.
The police report obtained by In Touch indicates Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar told police in 2006 that they had disciplined their son themselves.
The couple allegedly said that they sent Josh Duggar to a “Christian program” that “consisted of physical hard work and counseling.” Michelle Duggar later admitted that they actually just sent him to live with a family friend to help with a home remodeling business, according to In Touch."
SO... a letter in a book, an email to Harpo Studios prior to a Duggar family appearance, police reports and investigations.
Bigger and better coordinated cover-up than it first appeared.
I can only guess that "the book" was a magical bible that those idiots insert some written prayer between certain pages so that God will somehow see it and grant them a solution to their sin. Yeah, he solved their problem for them, didn't he? Just more proof that you've got to be a real ignorant moron to think that way. They were hoisted by their own retard, so to speak.
DeleteHuckabee said it, and I've read it in so many of the comments of the Duggar supporters: the victims want to put it in the past. Josh has "confessed" and he's "not doing it any more" (how do they know that, exactly?) and those of us without sin should be the only ones casting stones.
ReplyDeleteHow do they know that the victims want to put it in the past? I admit my google-fu isn't very good, but I've been searching for a statement by the Josh Duggar victims, and so far as I can tell, they haven't released any statement whatever.
Incidentally, Josh was just fine with his position in the Family Research Council until this information came to light. Um, if he's truly sorry for his "sin," why would he even accept the position? Being a child molester sounds like an automatic disqualification to me. He's not sorry he did it, he's sorry it's come to light. His wife claims he told her before their marriage? Really? Their cult is so male-dominant that girls are raised to obey smilingly and cheerfully, because "god put men over women and women should obey or they're offending god." Frankly, I wouldn't believe Josh's wife on this matter if she swore it on the Bible she claims to believe in- because that Bible has been used to train her to obey unthinkingly. And it's so sad for the victims who want to put it in the past and move on with their lives.
I am serious about the question of the victims wanting to ignore it and move on. Can anyone find such a statement from the victims? And if they can, how can we believe it? Once again, girls are TAUGHT TO OBEY, mindlessly and cheerfully and smilingly. We can't believe them, because if they don't obey cheerfully, they've been taught, they are offending God who placed parents- especially male parents- in charge of them.
Years ago- I think they were on 16 kids then- I saw a picture of the family surrounding Michelle's hospital bed. Michelle was holding the new baby, Jim-Bob was grinning, and not one of the girls were smiling. Their expressions ranged from "indifferent" to "depressed." Well, they knew what was coming. Michelle would care for the baby for one month and hand it over to them to raise so she and Jim-Bob could get to work on the next one. All those girls have been put to work as maids, laundry maids, cooks and nannies. A new baby is just work for them, and they know it.
After that, Jim-Bob started insisting on posed photographs only in the hospital, or pictures taken from the TV show. The kids have been told when there's a camera around they need to smile and be cheerful.
Seriously. Read some of the information from women who have escaped the quiverfull movement. Not to be smilingly, cheerfully obedient will get you a beating. It's scary.
Spot on, Ivyfree.
DeleteWe don't know what the victims want. And because of their cult, the victims don't know (or can't express) what they want.
But, like the brainwashed cult members WE should just take the word of a criminal molester who never received treatment that it's all good now
Very insightful. Also brings to mind who is actually supervising this large group of children, together 100% of the time, with such a wide range of developmental stages. A 14 year old boy molests his younger sisters, who are also responsible for cooking, cleaning and doing laundry for him and the family while while providing childcare for the youngest children, stocking the pantry, etc. He leaves for 4 months, then is back in the house with them. What could be wrong with that? He's sorry, they're pressured to forgive him, and meanwhile it's back to work, work, work.
DeleteBecause, you know, he would have ruined HIS life. Asshat.
DeleteWould Huckabee recommend Josh for a job at a Christian summer camp, or day care center. Hmm, I wonder.......
ReplyDeleteI never saw the show nineteen and counting, nor would I ev3r be enticed to watch one of those inane reality shows, including the Alaskan show where 5he entire fishing crew catches crabs (just makes my crotch itch just thinking about it), but last noght, I had to see what the HOOHA was all about. So I went on Hulu and(tried to) watch an episode. At first, I was amused at how Swatcheem (bland, with no flavor) the show was, then I was hit with revulsion at the thought that I was sitting there, even for the sensation of HATHOS. I shut it down and reflected on who teir viewing audience was, and how they could be entertained by that shit, like hypnotized chickens, I guess. What bland pablum will people consume!
ReplyDeleteFYI GRyphen,
ReplyDeleteThe judge that ordered any records on the sexual molester Josh Duggar destroyed was appointed by Huckabee.
10:03 That's certainly a shocker. Didn't JimBobBubba pal around with the freaky state Legislator, (was it Justin Harris?) that sorta kinda adopted the little girls just in time for campaign photos, then decided the poor family couldn't handle them, then shipped them off to a rapist friend that raped one of them?
DeleteWhat ever became of that situation? Was he or his creepy wife ever charged? It's Arkansas, I kind of doubt it.
I think it's way past time some outside agencies did some heavy duty investigating in this state.
Isn't it the Repukes that are CONSTANTLY gnashing their teeth and screaming, the children! What about the children? Well you fucking hypocritical assholes you, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?
They prove every single day that they could care less.
'His family dealt with it and took the appropriate action?' After they were found out! All those times filming this crap, they all knew in the back of their minds that this happened and they were all complicit in covering it up. Yes, even the sisters that were molested, covered it up cause you know TV and what TV pays and all. Sick mother fuckers.
ReplyDeleteWhat was his salary at the Family Research Council?
ReplyDeleteAnyone know?
Reportedly in the range of $100,000. SMH
DeleteHuckleberry, or Reverend Huckster, please divulge exactly how much money Jim Bob and his forever forgiven freak child molesting family's ministry have given to your campaign, then preach to me about forgiveness and "childhood indiscretions". If not , Eat Shit and post it on you tube, or STFU. First of all, it went on over a length of time, second, they confessed to their preacher and to the big guy in the sky. third, TLC didn't know and continued to pay them. Add in that the letter written by Jim Bob to the Police never got reported because they lost it.
ReplyDeleteDon't whine about them being judged, they're being piped into our homes on cable, held up as the perfect christian family, because they chose life, you know the spiel.
And in what way is this not a crime? I guarantee if that family was another religion or race, your rush to forgive wouldn't exist, you'd be first in line with a stone.
They're a bunch of frauds, fakes, phonies, and the only god they worship is money.
This show should be cancelled for another reason - that this idiot family continues to pollute an already stressed earth by having kid after kid after kid!!! And Josh should be in jail in general population where he could become somebody's wife!!! Then we could see how HE likes it!! Disgusting show and disgusting family!!!! Good riddance!
ReplyDeleteWell, he can join Rand Paul and Jeb Bush in the foot in mouth candidates club. Not that Huckabee every had a chance of getting the nomination.
ReplyDeleteIf he had been molesting his brothers don't you think Huck would be singing a different tune? Let's face it, girls are expendable to these freaks....girls are second class citizens to "these" people.
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