Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.
The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.
A potentially large group within Social Security are people who, in the language of federal gun laws, are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease."
Seems fair to me. If you are too mentally impaired to pay your bills on time, or make change for a dollar, you probably should not be trusted with a weapon.
In my opinion there are a whole lot of Americans running around armed to the teeth who really should not even be trusted with a sharpened stick.
For instance.
This of course did not sit well with the NRA:
Told of the plan, head NRA lobbyist Chris Cox issued a statement opposing the "executive fiat" and saying "the NRA stands ready to pursue all available avenues to stop them in their tracks."
BREAKING: Obama @SocialSecurity Admin plans to deny 4.2 MILLION people of their #2A rights! http://t.co/AP4hmi8zLx pic.twitter.com/Hi7S3ZKIcp
— NRA (@NRA) July 18, 2015
Is it wrong that I really enjoy watching these asshats freak out?
We have 4.2 million people on Social Security who cannot handle their affairs? Isn't that quite a few? And yet, the NRA wants them armed.
ReplyDeleteThe NRA would arm corpses if they could. Kind of like the gun version of Mormons baptizing dead people.
DeleteThey would arm insane asylum residents to the teeth if they could.
DeleteLol...
DeleteOh my god that gave me such a warm feeling all over, it was almost , well, you know. Their heads are going to explode, the printing presses are going crazy, spewing mailers all over the floor in a giant cascade of paper, the internets are glowing white with emails at the speed of light. Because crazies shouldn't be able to have a gun. It's like Christmas.
ReplyDeleteThis makes MORE than perfect sense to me. Watch the NRA and Republicans hoot and holler!
ReplyDeleteThank you President Obama and VP Biden!!! Good job as always! Now to get it through Congress???!!!!!
Wrong? Hell no! It's sooooooooooo right.
ReplyDeleteMy dad is 94, on social security, with moderate dementia. He can't find his way home from the next street and can't remember what he had for breakfast. You mean he could've had a gun???
ReplyDeleteHe could have an entire arsenal and it would be perfectly legal. Sometimes I think the NRA wants a bunch of dead Americans. Accidentally, of course.
DeleteThe NRA responds to calls for gun control with screeds about the mental health issues, but when those who have mental health issues could rightfully be restricted from owning a firearm, they disagree? Christ on a crutch, those people are idiots.
ReplyDeleteI distinctly remember some right-leaning woman on a round table on one of the Sunday talk shows a week or two after Sandy Hook trying to deflect the conversation away from gun control and towards mental health issues ....
Delete... without ever giving even one concrete idea (or even ANY idea) about what we could do to keep the guns out of the hands of people whose mental state might suggest that they might use the guns they are able to owe/possess/operate in a way that might pose a threat to other peoples' lives.
And they sure never talked about what it would cost.
I am rabidly in favor of gun control. That being said, this is a bad and unfair idea that will backfire badly making it difficult to get other gun control measures passed. Here's the thing. There are illnesses and injuries that can affect one part of the brain, such as the ability to balance a check book, that have no affect on a person's ability to make rational decisions. The criteria is too narrow to use for revoking someone's gun privileges. I was thrown from a horse a few years ago, and even with a helmet on, I had a severe concussion. The residuals from that left me incapable of doing certain tasks with numbers. In my case it was specific to dates and times. I can do algebra, trig, geometry. My mother had me take over her financial affairs because it had become mentally exhausting. Turned out that she had untreated and undiagnosed atrial fibrillation that left her too exhausted. She doesn't own guns, but if she were someone who knew how to use one correctly, she would have been completely capable of continuing to have one. So, revoking gun privileges needs to be based on broader criteria than is proposed. Also, how will they enforce that anyway? My mother's SS is automatically deposited as I am sure many people have. Also it is very easy for family members to cover for the person. This isn't really an enforceable law.
ReplyDeleteIf someone is so adamant about having a gun when they're not handling their own affairs perhaps submit to a test to see if they're mentally capable of being a responsible gun owner. Of course you're right in that this will never pass. Big oil, big pharma, wallstreet and the NRA own most members of congress.
DeleteI agree with the above comment. I, too, am in favor of gun control. However, the way the proposal is worded, those who are categorized with a "representative payee" would not be eligible. I handle my son's funds and as a representative payee his rights would be lost. He is disabled but capable of many things, numbers aren't one of them. So, no, the way the proposal is stated will need to be adjusted and cannot be a blanket restriction.
DeleteI want to know when they will go after young, able-bodied, stupid people with the common sense of a toddler who can't be bothered to keep their guns out of the reach of small children in the home.
DeleteAlso, sane, healthy, nasty assholes with anger management issues.
Nefer, that should also apply to almost post-middle-aged people like Sarah Palin who have the common sense of an infant. It makes me nervous to see her posing with items from her personal arsenal. I'm not sure if she ever knows if the gun is loaded or not.
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Yeah...I'm not thrilled about this either 9:37
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Excellent point, Nefer.
DeletePacific Palisades... Dead man found. "staggering number of guns," said LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith.
ReplyDeletePolice also found roughly two tons of ammunition.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-guns-20150720-story.html
"It's not a crime to have a large number of weapons so long as they were legal to own and legally obtained"
Another harmless Social Security recipient?
There are a lot of hunters here. All over.
ReplyDeletePeople hunters? 2 tons of ammunition? 1200 guns?
DeleteThis hunter must be really, really hungry.
DeleteOr a really bad shot. Most hunters only require 1/4 ton of ammunition to bring down a bunny rabbit or a fawn.
If you are the sheriff and you KNOW the end times are coming, you'd best be stockpiling everything!
Deletehttp://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/christian-county/2015/07/17/disgraced-sheriff-joey-kyle-preparing-armageddon/30316517/
"Explosives stored hazardously below county courtroom
Since becoming the interim sheriff in May, McNiel said he’s continually found surprising, unnecessary or simply wasteful purchases or acquisitions made by the department. One of his first tasks was sorting through the department’s armory — a closet directly underneath a county courtroom — where C4 was found, he said.
“That’s how I started my first day here — started with the Springfield bomb squad,” McNiel said.
Springfield Fire Marshal Mark Epps said there wasn’t adequate space to safely store explosives. While Epps said it was not a huge safety concern, he noted that the “highly sensitive” blasting caps were stored in proximity to the more inert C4. It’s the blasting caps that are used to detonate the C4.
The explosives are currently being safely stored in Springfield, Epps said."
Why he's the former sheriff?
"Christian County Sheriff Joey Kyle has agreed to spend a year in jail after pleading guilty Wednesday to embezzling county funds and helping in a fraud scheme.
As part of the plea agreement, Kyle, 53, has resigned as sheriff and will pay more than $50,000 restitution to Christian County before going to federal prison for one year and a day."
http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/christian-county/2015/05/20/joey-kyle/27652909/
Look there's a bug! :-\o
DeleteA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, should not be comprised of people who can't manage their own affairs.
ReplyDeleteDepends on why they can't manage their own affairs. As for the "well-regulated militia," as far as I have seen, they aren't regulated at all.
DeleteLol...yeah their kinda missing parts of the brain!
DeleteI should say something about the article, but I really must ask you, Gryphen, to stop using that silly and obviously photoshopped picture of Sarah's huge head on a young boy's body.
ReplyDeleteI end up laughing too hard to concentrate on commenting.
Mildred
That's the Chucky doll photo! Cracks me up every time I see it!
DeleteThat's it! Same expression too! I can't believe she let that photo be published.
DeleteMildred
I am presuming from reading the article that this only applies to people that are collecting social security disability due to mental illness or mental retardation not granny and grandpa collecting their social security benefits from working.
ReplyDeleteThe NRA has already LIED by inferring they will be coming for you guns if you are over 65 and collecting social security.
May be its intended for Sarah?
DeleteI want to know how people who are on mental disability saying they can't work. If you know that someone is on mental disability they can not testify in court so why are they allowed to drive? How can any insurance company insure them for car insurance.
ReplyDeleteWTH? Is this a sneak peak of what will be Barstool's, FB page, argument against this proposal?
DeleteThis will be the newest SarahPAC grifting opportunity.
ReplyDeleteSend $30 to SarahPAC to stop this violation of people's second amendment rights...
Letting that unstable bitch have a gun is akin to giving a baby razorblades. It ain't gonna turn out good.
ReplyDeleteI think Palin could be shot herself due to her actions currently as well as in the past. Hope she has good security!
Delete11:38 AM
DeleteMost of all she will need more security in Arizona. I can think of many who would love to off her just for the thrill. That includes her own bots and the ones that get sick of her scamming their old folk.
El Chapo has the money for a tricky sophisticated hit. You know he is sick of Todd interfering in his business. Human trafficking is as serious to these people as drug and weapon trafficking. It just does not get the press.
The enemies the Palin family made in the realm of extreme religions is no small matter. Many, many focus on the Arizona area.
Her place in Arizona looks like an easy target.
You would think she knows that and acts accordingly to protect herself and especially Bristol since she is expecting another Palin grandchild of unknown origin.
Bullshit...people would ignore her...
DeletePan handler Palin...run!
DeleteHer own Bots are the biggest threat. If they get together and purchase a cheap drone she won't have a chance.
DeleteI hear Joaquín Guzmán has a special sense of humor. He would think nothing of digging a tunnel and have his soldiers coming up at the Palin prison in Phoenix. I can already hear him laughing.
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Guzmán doesn't give a flip about Todd competing in any drug business. Guzmán cares about those who come to his attention in regard to other matters.
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I'm not a Palin fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't feel comfortable with wishing death or illness on another human being, even as screwed up as she's been proven over the years with crosshairs, blood libel, etc etc. etc. it just lowers us to her level.
DeleteBUT I'm a huge fan of free speech, although I disagree, I'll defend your right to say it, loud and often! .
6:35 PM I missed where anyone is wishing death or illness. OP said giving her a gun "is akin to giving a baby razorblades. It ain't gonna turn out good."
DeleteI missed if any discussion wishing death or illness. Can you point out what you are referring to?
her head is too large for her body. just an observation.
ReplyDeleteIt happens to speed freaks.
DeleteKeep and eye on her daughter if she is ever allowed or able to be in public, or shown in a current photo again.
I suppose no one told her long use of speed makes one develop a heart condition? Probably not! $$$ rules!
DeleteThese people could not enter "a well-regulated militia," so they're not covered by the 2nd Amendment.
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There is a very good article on Salon - "Really, it's time to shut down the GOP" - by Sean Illing. Palin is prominently featured in the article.
Pat Padrnos
Great article, Pat!
DeleteHere's the link: http://tinyurl.com/o7a6u5f
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/21/really_its_time_to_shut_down_the_gop_a_deeply_unserious_party_hijacked_by_lunatics_and_fox_news_is_driving_us_all_into_a_ditch/
DeleteIt's past time to shut that crazy train down. #pushbackagainsttheGOP
DeleteIt makes perfect sense that people incapable of handling their own financial affairs shouldn't be handling guns, especially the ridiculously high capacity automatic weapons that the NRA insists that every hunter is entitled to own.
ReplyDeleteAfter all, you never know when you might encounter a bear driving his very own Abrams tank, and then you'd need all the firepower you can get. Right, NRA?
Recently, there was a shooting at a local retirement village. A 88 year old father shot and killed his 65 year old son. The son had traveled from out of state to visit and had been concerned about his fathers mental health. The retirement community did not allow firearms but obviously this was a rule that wasn't followed. I can't help but think if mentally incapacitated seniors are told they have to give up their guns, there is going to be a lot more of this type of shooting. Sad that a loving son was shot and killed by his demented son.
ReplyDeleteFather with dementia shot and killed his son. I need to proof read
DeleteWas that in New Mexico? That happened right her in my city. The 'killer' was hospitalized across the state line in Texas then he was released. Now (as far as I know) nobody knows where he is. What a bunch of nimrods. They are still holding his apartment at the retirement village!
Delete@1:18 are you a fellow New Mexican? LC to be exact? I didn't know what had happened to the father. Interesting!
DeleteWhen you write about a very serious issue, but then tie it back tangentially to a washed up former politician/ reality star, it tends to dilute the message. Especially when you use a photo shopped image. Just saying....
ReplyDeleteWhy? She's a few years from what is considered "senior" and she sure as heck is mentally unstable!
DeleteWhat is photoshopped about that picture? Tunidra Turd sitting in front of a roaring fire, with an ammo box next to her? NO, Alicia Mengele (or whatever your last name is - I do not think I should bother my beautiful brain with such immaterial things. (Loosely quoted from Barbara Bush, when she commented about Katrina and the suffering caused by that hurricane).
DeleteThe pic is obviously photoshopped.
Delete@12:28, not everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is Alicia whoever. Get over yourself.
DeleteBoth of these photos originated with Sarah Palin. It is easy to see why someone would think they are photo-shopped. It is not unusual for a Palin to do that.
Deletehttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8_XSNbosmJk/Va5Kz-_5YUI/AAAAAAAAHUY/WO45MqsmXHw/s400/Sarah%2Bwith%2Bpretty%2Bkilling%2Bmachine.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-829jTavFHbo/Va5g8CenzlI/AAAAAAAAHUo/sP9FOmSj_Qs/s400/Palin%2Bwith%2Bgun.jpg
The photo is NOT photoshopped! I was joking above. It is a real photo of a malformed woman, inside and out, lol
DeleteMildred
Photoshopped? Why? Because of the shoes?
DeleteThe Palin Clan Brawl Crime Scene Photos
http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/kit2qcq36xq9edcawx5z.jpg
One photo also showed a conspicuous pair of red, white and blue sneakers. (A witness told TPM last month she remembered the kind of shoes she saw the former GOP vice presidential nominee wearing at the party: they were red, white and blue.)
G take a look a Dunn's article on Huffpo re Palin backstabbing McCain, again. Also sounds like he has seen SarahPAC's current FEC report?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
ReplyDeleteTHIS was your big next post???? Try again.
ReplyDeleteIn case you're new around here, a "big" story is Gryphen's forte.
DeleteWell, SEE??? I was right the first time around! That Kenyan socialist communist muslim usurper IS out to get our guns! Now I will have to hide my arsenal, because: only from my cold, dead hands...
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I wish he would have gone farther and decreed the same for ANY mental case - just like the PayMe KKKlan!
What about creeps that collect veteran benefits or other social services or medical from agencies that we the people are funding?
DeleteTake for example Track Palin. Why can't he be open about his shady life? We know the military lied about him in the early propaganda. He spent more time returning to Wasilla during the alleged time he was to be in a 'combat zone'.
Track doesn't work, is he collecting something other than arsenal and ammo? What? Who pays for his medical?
He has had various tell tale signs of his out of control anger. It goes back to his youth. He has pronounced his love of guns. No one does anything except keep him covered up and hidden. Why so secret? That alone is a tell.
Bristol Palin's Brother Sounds VERY Drunk (& Homophobic) As He Describes The Palin Family Brawl! Listen To CRAZY Extended Police Tapes HERE!
http://perezhilton.com/2014-10-24-track-palin-todd-palin-man-father-son-fight-sarah-palin-bristol-palin-gay-comments-audio-interview#.Va65q_lViko
These peeps need to be monitored.
http://i2.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bristol-palin-fight-pp-sl.jpg?resize=980%2C551
Are they diligently observed by Homeland Security?
Track Palin's Drunken 'Gay' Tirade Exposed In New Wasilla Audio
http://i2.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sarah-palin-alaska-brawl-party-bristol-palin-track-palin-todd-palin-willow-palin-pp-sl.jpg?resize=800%2C450
Full Cast & Crew John Tiemessen ... creative consultant
ReplyDeletehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt2285890/fullcredits?ref_=ttrel_sa_1
So this is what John Tiemessen is paid for. He is a creative consultant.
Bristol, a Book and the Beach (release: 26 Jun. 2012)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2285890/?ref_=ttmd_ph_tt2
Bristol Palin: Life's a Tripp: Season 1, Episode 3
Levi Johnston's (Bristol's ex-boyfriend and father to her son Tripp) tell-all book is published while Bristol struggles to adjust to life in LA. Bristol begs Willow to return so that she doesn't have to face the media storm alone.
Plot Summary
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2285890/synopsis?ref_=tt_stry_pl
Bristol Palin in Bristol Palin: Life's a Tripp (2012)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2110827008/tt2279571?ref_=ttmi_mi_all_sf_20
Bristol Palin in Bristol Palin: Life's a Tripp (2012)
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3 "Bristol, a Book, and the Beach" June 26, 2012 0.586[4]
4 "Baby Daddy Dilemma (FKA The Levi Blues. Back in Alaska)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Palin:_Life%27s_a_Tripp
Sarah asks if the girls have any advice about Syria, and Willow admits, "I don't know what Syria is."
ReplyDeleteAnd that's how they leave it in D.C.
Bristol gives Tripp a lesson in gun safety by taking him shopping for a gun for Sarah's birthday, telling him to not touch any guns that are real, only pretend ones. They settle on a pink pistol for mom that totally looks pretend.
At the surprise party, Gino tells Bristol that the hot mess of a cake that she made looks good and then disciplines Tripp effectively. The editors of this show are stopping at nothign to make this guy look like the ultimate catch. It's working. By the end of the episode when Bristol tells Tripp she might be getting married, it's the most sensible thing she's said in an hour.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/episode-recap-bristol-palin-lifes-a-tripp/
I suppose "consigliere" would be too obvious. He's creative alright. He gets paid to make all of them stupid rich and keep the media away from all of their "issues." Think about it - since 2008 that firm has doubled in size and all the Palin's worth has increased by what? 500%? 1000%. Jesus - Bristol's a 24 year old who has owned 4 houses? A book deal? All of their legal cases seem to just disappear/get dismissed. With the exception of the brawl the media doesn't pay any attention to any of the negative things that are published here. They won't touch the babygate story with a 10 foot pen. After he wrote that letter to McGuinniss his book sales tanked and he couldn't get another interview. Brad Sharlott went underground after Tiemessen wrote one letter to his boss. Shawn Christy and his dad went to federal prison for a long time just for making mean phone calls to the guy. Hell he got the APD to issue a personal press release on the whole Shailey Tripp story effectively shutting it down. For a small town lawyer he seems to have an awful lot of influence. Say what you want about the Palins but their legal team is pretty scary effective. Yeah he's one creative consultant.
ReplyDeleteI'm in favor of the President's proposal. They not only pose a danger to others, but to themselves as well. If you're incapable of handling your own affairs, then it's proof enough you can't properly handle a gun. I'm not singling out people with mental illness, per se, Many are fully capable of taking their medication, following doctor's orders, paying their bills etc.With the population living longer, we're faced with a lot of people driving when they shouldn't be, owning and using weapons and a plethora of other problems. It's difficult to diagnose dementia and altzheimer's disease and others at different stages, and some of the side effects that slow it down, also slow down reflexes, balance etc. Traits needed by responsible gun owners to properly handle a weapon.
ReplyDeleteIf this proposal saves one life, it's worth it.
Of course the NRA is in a tizzy, they want everyone armed because they get $$$$$$$ from the gun manufacturers.
He's connected with the Chief Justice, judges, senators, Representatives, celebrities and seems to have federal law enforcement and every media outlet on speed dial. You forgot to mention the chiropractor/hit man who Tiemessen also arranged to serve federal time. I'll bet he's part of the reason the Boys Will Be Boys movie is cancelled. People say why don't the Palins sue? They don't have to when Tiemessen can get anyone who crosses him fired, shut down publicly humiliated or arrested. Scary is right.
ReplyDeleteOh really? Now now don't go wetting my appetite now! I might get hungry! Eat some attorneys for breakfast!
ReplyDeleteThis kind of utter bullshit makes me want to send support to the NRA. Not joking.
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