Wednesday, September 30, 2015

Group releases video called "Carly Fiorina was right." Video proves no such thing.

Courtesy of Slate: 

The video, titled "Carly Fiorina was right" (warning: extremely graphic), was provided by the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform. They are the group that provided an image of a fetus, moving slightly, that is used by the Center for Medical Progress in one of their videos. This new video shows the context: The fetus is pulled from a woman and placed in a bowl. At no point does anyone say, "We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain." There is no sound. There is no indication that we are inside a Planned Parenthood–affiliated clinic. 

The only new information this video adds is the revelation that the fetus came out of a woman's body. If that surprises you, then you have no right to weigh in on debates over women's health care.

Okay so I am going to provide a link to this video right here for those who want to see it for themselves.

For those who do not let me just say that what it shows is a view between the legs of what appears to be an African American woman having a small, almost fully formed fetus removed. Yes it is graphic. And yes it will probably disturb some people.

However it really does nothing to support Fiorina's claims about seeing a video which shows "a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain."

This video does not show that.

So what does it show?

For the answer to that we turn to Dr. Jen Gunter:

It is easy to see how someone who has no obstetrical training might think this could be something other than a previable premature delivery. Cunningham’s statements clearly show he is no medical expert and isn’t in the position to explain it. However, I am. 

Here are all the issues with the video from start to finish: 

  1. It is illegally and clandestinely shot. I feel very badly for the poor woman in question and wonder why Fiorina and our elected officials are not as outraged as I am about her violation and exploitation. I had second thoughts about watching it myself given the lack of consent from the woman, however, I felt if I could end the conversation about it faster by weighing in. Time magazine or Slate have links. 
  2. The prep of the patient. The physician (I’m assuming) pours surgical prep/cleaner on the woman’s perineum. We don’t do that anymore for spontaneous deliveries or for abortions that involve induction of labor. This tells me this video is at least 15 years old or from another country. 
  3. The delivery. It is a spontaneous delivery as the operator waits for the fetus to be expelled. This is what we do with a previable premature delivery. If this were shot mid way through a 2nd trimester abortion (meaning the Laminaria in the cervix, which are osmotic sticks that help the cervix dilate, had just been removed) it is highly unlikely the operator would have waited for a spontaneous expulsion. 
  4. The cord is clamped on the fetal side. If this were an abortion it would just be cut. Really. No one ever does this with an abortion as it serves no purpose. 
  5. Waiting for the placenta. The clamp is left on the placental end and at the end of the video the placenta still hasn’t delivered. If this were an abortion the placenta would be removed with suction immediately, no one would wait 11 minutes. Ever. Every abortion clinic has a suction machine. 
  6. There is no proof this video is in a Planned Parenthood clinic never mind in the United States. This could easily be an operating room. 

Instead of wasting tax payer dollars over highly edited videos our government should be investigating who illegally taped this woman’s delivery. If Cunningham says he didn’t take the video then of course he also can’t be sure what was going on. He can’t have it both ways.

So according to Dr. Jen this video likely does not even show an abortion, much less one that ends with a fetus having its brain harvested.

Simply put Carly Fiorina is a liar. And no evidence, and certainly no video, has shown that statement to be false. 


  1. Anonymous4:35 PM


    1. Anonymous6:03 PM

      Dr. Jen's newest blog posted a hour ago...
      yes Carly is a liar!

    2. Anonymous6:14 PM

      I sent Dr. Jen this blog she sent this back, her before the article above
      Says this video is either about 15 yrs old or from another country and a premature baby.
      Also if from the US illegally gotten. What fucking bastards! I am so damn sick of repubs!
      I can't even think of them, they are the lowest bottom feeding, grubbing lying SOBS and Fiorina is right up there with "I'm right" !! Can you imagine this fucking cunt as POTUS?
      I know it will never happen but still.
      Holy shit.

    3. Anonymous6:55 PM

      @6:14 This is the same political party that smeared John Kerry's war record by swiftboating him. The guy who is about to become the next Speaker of the House just admitted that the Benghazi committee was formed to lower Hillary Clinton's poll numbers. These are the same people who would shut down the government in a royal snit. I would expect Carly Fiorino to act the same way. It's how they roll.

    4. I'm surprised they admitted it.

      Usually they just double down on their lies.

  2. Anonymous4:53 PM

    This woman is a liar and externally ugly as Donald Trump already indicated! She's not truthful about her past work history either. What a farce! She reminds me so of Sarah Palin and looked what happened to her!

    Fiorina will never be POTUS!

  3. Anonymous5:16 PM

    I want to know why the hell someone would want to "harvest a baby's brain". Perhaps a brain transplant for Fiorina? It would be an improvement if you ask me. Lying assholes.

    1. Anonymous5:25 PM

      Thank you, 5:16. The whole idea is absolutely preposterous.

  4. Anonymous5:29 PM

    Good Lord, can you imagine that thing as POTUS after President Obama?

  5. Anonymous5:41 PM

    Fiorina lied? Really? Again? I'm hoping that one of these days she tells the truth about something important.

  6. Anonymous5:42 PM

    Ms Florina is a sociopath. It is so curious how the GOP keeps magnetizing women like her to seek office.

    1. Sociopaths are the only women the party can attrack, well those and Christo-fascists.

  7. As the race gets tighter, there'll be noticeable efforts employed to try to humanize this she-swine.
    If things get that far, that should be entertaining.

    1. Anonymous6:20 PM

      I like that "she-swine." another pig in lipstick!

    2. Anonymous6:37 PM

      Don't insult the intelligent hog.

    3. Anonymous6:37 PM

      Maybe if she'd ever had a baby of her own she might have some self-respect. She is as ugly as any of her male cohort.

    4. Anonymous12:12 AM

      Carly Fiorina = demon ewe.


  8. Anonymous5:48 PM

    Again all I can say is enough is enough with the outright lies and as a woman, Carly should be especially ashamed for targeting women's healthcare.

    However she is a republican so why should I think she would be any different than then rest of the scum in her party. They will stop at nothing to propagate lies, even if it is violating a woman's privacy. Absolutely disgusting!!

    Hope PP sues the hell out of the whole group.
    The Producer Of The Planned Parenthood Videos Admits That They Are A Fraud

    1. Anonymous7:39 PM

      Anonymous5:48 PM
      They are admitting now b/c the FEDS are involved. But if you look at Dr. Jens blog idiots from beerfart are still posting "its from a abortion" unless these mofos are strung up by the balls and carly by her nose this will blow over and the repubs and money grubbing assfucks will continue to say "Obama kills babies for money" and shit like that.
      I hope they go after all of them throw them in jail and everyone who fund-raised off this including our lou sarah tried for RICCO!
      I doubt PP has the funds to go after them and this center for medical ethics is a front for one of the many anti-abortion bs Pacs.
      They get the slimes like James okeefe to do the dirtywork. Who made the Benghazi vid? We know who but who gave the money? *crickets* on that one...same shit different day...

    2. Anonymous12:21 AM

      Anti-Planned Parenthood videos are most liked supported by Bibi and buddies along with Sheldon Adelson and Art Pope ($$$ Stores) who finances the woman (can't think of her name *yuck*) who supports Muhammad cartoon contests here in the good ol' USA.


  9. Anonymous5:52 PM

    Brazen lying got Fiorina many important positions in her career, she has no reason to tell the truth.

  10. Anonymous5:57 PM

    I watched it. It is horrible the way they videotaped this, a very private moment. The other big problem I see with Fiorina's claim? They actually didn't try to keep the baby alive. Not to "harvest its brain" or for anything else. They left it in the pan to die, while someone (the clandestine videographer?) poked at it.

    1. Anonymous6:36 PM

      HenriettaLacks, anyone?

    2. Anonymous6:43 PM

      Left it to die.... Pre-term fetii are not viable. Do you have a clue what that means? Lungs are not developed enough to sustain life. If it was a video not in a developed county, there is no NICU. No nice clean suburban home to take infant to. No lung meds. No incubators.

    3. Anonymous6:51 PM

      Left to die? If the body rejected the fetus, there was something wrong with it. Nature has that way of protecting life and rejecting that which cannot live.

  11. Anonymous5:58 PM

    Adding to my previous comment that they didn't try to keep it alive, it was there for over 10 minutes. No one could possibly claim that they tried to keep it alive.

  12. Just for shits and giggles, here's one of IM's randomly generated ads, that I know you have no control over, Gryphen.

  13. Anonymous6:16 PM

    Mother Of Stillborn Child In Video Allows Carly Fiorina To Keep Lying About It

    This whole story is sad, and the only person who deserves any anger and ridicule is David Daleiden, for exploiting a mother's tragedy in order to further his cynical, misogynist goals.

    Lexi Oliver Fretz posted the story of her son's too-early birth and death shortly after he left the womb. He was at nineteen weeks' gestation and simply too early to survive. It's a sad story and my heart goes out to her.

    BUT. There was no abortion, nor was there anyone eagerly waiting to harvest "baby parts," as Fiorina has so emphatically stated. In fact, according to Fretz' story, her children were permitted to visit their deceased brother and hold him before he was buried. Hardly the cold-blooded clinical procedure CMP claims took place.

    Fretz is an anti-abortion believer, however. So when she heard that the photo of her deceased child was used in a CMP video, she posted this to Facebook:

  14. Anonymous6:18 PM

    Uh Oh, Lying Liar Carly Fiorina’s Planned Parenthood Lie Just Turned Into A Bigger Lie

    ...Now let’s wrap this up all neat and pretty and stick a bow on it, shall we? Carly Fiorina has claimed, over and over and OVER AND OVER again, that she watched, with her own eye sockets, a video of an aborted fetus, left to die on a table while a cruel heartless bastard Planned Parenthood doctor talks about how best to murder it to death and seize its brain. Not a single one of those things is true. There’s no Planned Parenthood doctor plotting how to steal BRAINZ!!! There isn’t even an abortion. And this still has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood.

  15. Anonymous6:20 PM

    Fiorina, show us the tape that backs up your gruesome abortion claim

    ...Carly Fiorina lost my support last night because she flat-out didn’t tell the truth in abortion remarks that were clearly intended to fire up the base on this incendiary topic. Referring to the videos released by the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress, which alleges that Planned Parenthood illegally profits from fetal tissue sales, Fiorina said:

    “I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

    No, Clinton or Obama would not see anything of the kind. Nor have any of the rest of us who have been looking for those images. Because those graphic visuals are not on the tapes. I’ve watched the edited (read: most damning) versions as well as big chunks of the unedited recordings. Other journalists who have watched every single minute of the unedited versions say the same thing.

  16. Anonymous6:37 PM

    The republican strategy and tactics are so boring and transparent.

  17. She isn't necessarily a liar. A liar tells an untruth that they know is false. At best she is a bad fact checker, at worst she is an idiot who passes along false information because it's what she wants to believe and doesn't care if its true or false. It fits the narrative she is trying to control.

    There are a lot of people like that on FaceBook on both sides of the aisle.

    1. Anonymous6:48 PM

      If Carly is a bad fact checker, then she has no business being anywhere near the White House. Part of being a good leader is to look at all sides of the problem, maybe asking staff to explore the background of the video the way that Slate did. It is not a sign of good judgement to only listen to one side. A good leader listens to all sides in order to have a well rounded view, not a narrow, slanted view. If Carly can't appoint staff to carry out the necessary research, she is no leader.

    2. 1. Fiorina is a liar.
      2. There is no aisle on Facebook and who cares what idiots like Sarah Palin post there.
      3. Republicans no longer operate in fact-based reality. Democrats do.

    3. Anonymous7:33 PM

      @twofux If Facebook is your source for information, you are a lost soul.

    4. Anonymous7:37 PM

      CarLIE Fraudorina.

    5. Anonymous12:26 AM

      Very good!


    6. When you tell the same lie over and over in the face of mounting evidence that you are lying, you are then unequivocally a LIAR. Bad fact-checker? Oh puh-leeze.

    7. Anonymous6:56 AM

      Carly, my advice to you is, simply, GO AWAY! You have absolutely nothing to offer the American people. We have a surplus of liars, frauds, insensitve elites and phonies in the GOP field. Just because you are a woman, are extremely wealthy, have survived breast cancer and the loss of an adult stepdaughter does not mean that you are anything other than a cardboard cutout member of the top 1%. And, by the way, how come if you were such an impressive CEO has nobody been inclined to hire you since? I am sure you have an answer for that. Just go away: you stand for nothing but you own sorry reputation.

  18. Anonymous6:45 PM

    Perhaps calling the Planned parenthood facilities another name. Because we know that republicans don't plan, they react. And they react badly. The party is so off and scattered. Awful bunch of crazies obstructing America

  19. Anonymous6:57 PM

    Unfortunately there are way too many "BULLSHIT" eating lemmings in this country, who swallow what they are told to swallow. And then they do NO followup to see if the "BULLSHIT" is true.

    Lying sociopaths seem to be all the Repugs have to offer as presidential candidates.

  20. Anonymous7:07 PM

    What a shame. I was SO looking forward to a dangerous close up picture
    of Crawly Farina on her Happy Holiday pac card. She's almost as disgusting as the palin,almost.
    Last time I saw a face like that it had a hook in it.

    1. Balzafiar7:44 PM

      I especially like the way she has trained herself to hold her mouth so the fangs are concealed.

  21. Sadly, Fiorina could have claimed she personally witnessed a Planned Parenthood worker devouring a live, screaming baby, and the jerkoffs of the right, would instantly believe that, and tell everyone they knew, that they, too, witnessed it.

    It is so telling, of our current situation, that the simpleton villagers of the middle ages knew enough to stop believing the lying little bastard who cried wolf after three times.

    Today's rightwingnuts are quite simply unable to learn that lesson, after countless cries of wolf (or Benghazi, or email scandal, or IRS wrongdoing, etc. etc.)

    All the other people have to sit by and grit their teeth, when told by those who refuse to hear the truth, that it is WE who are drinking some sort of liberal Kool-aid.

  22. Anonymous1:19 AM

    Gryphen. You might want to remove from your comments "...what appears to be an African American woman..." as that implies this video was made in America.

    Personally, I suspect it is from India and the reason the audio has gone missing is that the sound of people speaking Hindi wouldn't fit the narrative of this being filmed at a Planned Parenthood clinic.

  23. "So according to Dr. Jen this video likely does not even show an abortion, much less one that ends with a fetus having its brain harvested."

    No. According to Dr. Jen, the video ABSOLUTELY doesn't show an abortion AND was likely done at least 15 years ago AND from another country.

  24. Anonymous4:56 AM

    I am a well-educated and articulate person but when it comes to Ms. Fiorina all I can say is "SHE SUCKS!" She lies, bobs her head around, looks down at regular people and projects absolutely no warmth or empathy. Is this the best woman the GOP has? Apparently, yes.


  26. Anonymous8:18 AM

    Cariy, why the long face? You stupid liar!


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