Now I know it will not be anywhere near as entertaining as the GOP debates, but it WILL be more coherent.
I will update this post throughout the debate, and be drunk tweeting it as well. (That part will be somewhat less coherent but probably a little more entertaining.)
Here is a newly released "How to beat Clinton" memo from 2008 that was supposedly co-written by several of Barack Obama's close aides:
Update: Bernie Sanders is causing a spike in searches for the word "Socialism."
Update: Best line of the night so far.
Bernie Sanders "The American people are stick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!" #DemDebate
— Gryphen 2009 (@Gryphen2009) October 14, 2015
Hillary and Bernie are BFFs now.Update: For those who missed it.
Bernie and Hillary agree 'enough of the emails.' pic.twitter.com/Z9LJi47lnw
— POLITICO Video (@POLITICOvideo) October 14, 2015
Update: Really Hillary? You NEVER tried pot?
I find it interesting that most the candidates and others want more than 6 debates, except for Hillary and Debbie Wasserman.
ReplyDeleteWhat's your point? Hillary is the only one on stage that has a grasp of all the issues. She has the most experience, is probably the most intelligent, and why should she want more debates? They become a sideshow after awhile. She and the rest need to be meeting the people, refining their messages, and getting ready to fight hard. Six debates are plenty when we only have this number of candidates.
DeletePay attention. Hillary said a couple of days ago that she would welcome more debates.
Delete5:40... what she says and what goes on behind the scenes are two totally different issues.
Delete5:24, how is the air there, all the way up there in Hillary's ass?
Just fine 6:29. You're losing when you have to resort to nasty comments.
DeleteLosing? Didn't know this was a competition!
DeleteIt isn't surprising you like the air up there, all the way up there in Hillary's bunghole.
Some people are only liberal/progressive when it comes to lesbian millenials. After that, not so much.
DeleteI didn't watch the debate, but just for my two cents, I agree with Hillary, Debbie, and 5:24 about the number of debates in the primary elections. Better to leave voters wanting more, than having them feel like they've had too much.
DeleteI think six could be too many.
It makes sense that the front-runner wants fewer debates.
DeletePlus, I agree that six is too many. After a while, it's the same questions over and over again. Plus, who wants the ultimate Democratic candidate raked over the coals that many times by her (or his) Primary opponent?
President Obama's opening message featured Joe Biden as well. Tricky.
ReplyDeleteDamn Sheryl Crow kinda weak.
ReplyDeleteLet's hear it for Sheryl Crow.
ReplyDeleteDamn hard song.
I thought the song was fine.
DeleteChafee fires the first shot "I've had no scandals".
ReplyDeleteSomeone would have to give half a damn about Chaffee for there to be a scandal. He was in way over his head tonight.
DeleteNeither has Bernie.
DeleteBernie sounded good, Hillary not so much
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of people are going to feel the Bern tonight!
DeleteBernie and Hillary both strong with their opening statements. I think Bernie did slightly better, Hillary sound like she was reading off a can of liberal peas.
ReplyDeleteOh liberal peas that sounds good right now.
DeleteAnderson - let him finish a sentence!
ReplyDeleteLet EVERYONE finish a sentence!
DeleteOooh, talking about guns.
ReplyDeleteYou just know that the Ammosexuals are screaming at their TVs right now.
Martin O'Malley getting loud at Bernie over rural vs urban guns. Shout out for Western Maryland \o/ (had to say that since I live here. lol)
ReplyDeleteI'm not watching tonight. I'll vote for whichever Democrat gets the nomination.
ReplyDeleteThat's a great plan.
DeleteI'm watching yet share your plan to vote for which ever Democratic candidate is our nominee.
DeleteHear, Hear! I'm not following this very closely as we just have to vote for whomever gets the nod. It's terrible not to care, but I can't feel enthusiasm for any of our candidates except for Bernie and America just isn't ready for him, unfortunately.
DeleteWhy has Jim Webb not gone back to the GOP?
ReplyDeleteToo scary---even for him?
Sanders came across the strongest about some gun control.
ReplyDeleteYES Bernie! Promises no more quagmires for our military.
ReplyDeleteSo far Hillary and Bernie looking good.
ReplyDeleteO'Malley has a story for every occasion.
Lincoln Chaffee looks lost.
And I think Jim Webb might be a Republican.
Oh yeah, Webb is GOP. O'Malley handles himself well. Chaffee? Who?? I think Hillary is coming off well.
DeleteWebb too pouty...
DeleteLincoln Chaffee reminds me of Colin "the points don't matter" Mochrie.
ReplyDeleteJim Webb takes the high road on Bernie's conscientious objector during Viet Nam. Good for him.
ReplyDeleteYeah Webb impressed me with that response.
DeleteGood on him.
OT-But YES!
ReplyDeletehttp://abcnews.go.com/US/jury-finds-gun-shop-liable-sale-illegal-gun/story?id=34453531
Bernie mentions Climate Change.
ReplyDeleteWeb cyber warfare with China
Hillary nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands.
Chafee blah, blah, blah
Didn't get O'Malley's
These were the biggest threats to our national security.
9:42 EST
Bernie wins.
Delete"The American public is sick of hearing about your damn emails."
DeleteBernie wins again.
5:49 Bernie is SO good. He speaks for me. I'm sick of hearing about anything having to do with Hillary.
DeleteOh please. The GOP wants you to be 'sick of Hillary.' Since they can't jail her for anything at all, they will whine and lie and call her to testify. None of this is her fault. She did nothing that every Sec. of State before her (and a couple of GOP GOVERNORS..right JEB! and Mittens?) did before her. They want to make people either hate her, distrust her, or get tired of seeing and hearing about her. Do not let them win.
DeleteSince its commercial time, can we vote one of them off the stage?
ReplyDeleteChaffee? Replace with Lessig.
DeleteAgreed...Lessig was on with Lawrence while the debate was going on..he has some interesting ideas.
DeleteDid CNN grill the Repubs with this much policy challenges?
ReplyDeleteCooper is like a little ankle biter.
The GOP has no policy plans.
DeleteLOL 6:01
DeleteI didn't watch the Republican debates but these seem more contentious by the moderators against the candidates Was that the case with the other side?
ReplyDeleteNope, I guess there was a greater need to make the GOP candidates appear sentient.
DeleteBernie standing up for Hillary's email
ReplyDeleteAw, shaking hands.
Bernie: "The American people are tired of hearing about your damn emails! loud cheering. "Let's talk about the real issues." Awesomeness over 9000.
ReplyDeleteI loved that! The headlines quoting just that lines makes it sound like Bernie was adversarial/pissed at Hillary; really he was letting the media & Repubs have it for their crap.
DeleteChaffee talking about credibility Republican then a Democrat, Which is he?
ReplyDeleteO'Malley dissing Wasserman Schultz. uh oh
ReplyDeleteBlack lives matter - Don Lemon coordinating phone-in questions.
ReplyDeleteHillary knows her stuff! She's a smart woman - not like snot nose Carly.
ReplyDeleteHillary is not only holding her own but she seems to be winning over the other candidates.
ReplyDeleteAnd she's stealing their ideas. That's not a bad thing.
DeleteAnderson Cooper runs a tight ship. Won't let anybody respond. Gotta get on to the next question. Gotta put the screws to all the candidates.
ReplyDeleteLot of applause.
ReplyDeleteWall Street. Bernie owns this issue. Hillary needs to change on the Wall Street.
ReplyDeleteBernie shaking his head with Hillary's "cut it out" to Wall Street. Too big to jail. Where is Elizabeth when we need her?
ReplyDeleteThe Grown Ups are in the room...!
ReplyDeleteRight???
DeleteAmen. What a difference between "You called women ugly..." and "What should we do about climate change." Is the GOP really as shallow as they appear to be?
DeleteYes. The GOP is so shallow if they were a pool you couldn't even get your knees wet.
DeleteWhich one is running for VP?
ReplyDeleteElizabeth Warren is.
DeleteI refuse to let the dream die.
Elizabeth Warren as VP would be a waste of talent. She's either at the top of the ticket or stays put in the Senate.
DeleteTotally with you, my brother!
DeleteMy pick for VP would be Julian Castro.
DeleteAgree, 7:15. He is a really good speaker and has lots of good ideas. And he's Latino, obviously.
DeleteHillary hitting her stride. She's getting stronger in her responses.
ReplyDeleteJail Wall Street!
ReplyDeleteWall Street pay for "free college." Bernie
Uh, oh, Chaffee voted for bail out?
ReplyDeleteWell at least they're talking about actual issues and problems instead of confabulated fairy tales. Yes, the grown ups are in the room. Having only 5 people on the stage helps, having a focused, bruque take no prisoners moderator helps.
ReplyDeleteCollege affordability? Trump pay a helluvalot more in taxes. Every kid should get a free college education to a state college. He pays for that with a tax on Wall Street.
ReplyDeleteDefending Social Security caucus started by Bernie. Good on Bernie.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know Webb married to an immigrant.
ReplyDeleteProbably why he left the GOP.
DeleteAre they all agreed on comprehensive immigration policy? Glad Hillary is pointing out that they are all so much better than Republicans on immigration. Take that, Trump!!
ReplyDeleteO'Malley calls Trump a carnival barker. nail + head.
ReplyDeleteTrump's twitter account burning up with O'Malley hate??
ReplyDeleteHaha! Trump the Carnival Barker!
ReplyDeleteAnd Jim Web is a Republican plant.
Patriot Act? Everybody makes mistakes and there were a whole bunch of people making mistakes on any Bush shit.
ReplyDeleteOh, Hillary!! Why aren't you sorry you voted for the Patriot Act??
Hillary knows the ins and outs of government. She realizes the threats. She did say she was sorry that Bush took the PA and turned it into his own spy system.
DeleteBernie shut down NSA surveillance. Good!
ReplyDeleteSnowden. Hillary doesn't support. Says he stole. Wouldn't bring home without consequences. O'Malley same. Sanders says Snowden a hero in educating us but needs consequences. Webb says too much information collecting. All these guys WAY DIFFERENT than Repubs.
ReplyDeleteAnderson, SHUT UP. Let them answer!
ReplyDeleteIndeed... he sounds so angry when he talks.
DeleteElizabeth Warren "too big to jail, too big to fail" banks. O'Malley echoing her.
ReplyDeleteWebb poo pooing Bernie's dream of a revolution.
ReplyDeleteNow we're talking: How many of you used marijuana?
ReplyDeleteClimate change and getting stoned are the upcoming topics.
ReplyDeleteI actually think that Lincoln Chafee might be high right now.
That's how i grin, too hahahahahahahahaha
Delete: )
Marijuana legalization after the commercials. Peter Tosh listening party anyone?
ReplyDeleteO/T Hope Bernie wins. My husband does a fantastic impression and it would be 4 years of giggles for me.
ReplyDeleteFinal block after quick potty break - it takes Senator Clinton a little bit longer. hahaha
ReplyDeleteO'Malley stories. ARRGGGHHHH!
ReplyDeleteI know. He had a "when I was Governor" story about every damn issue, didn't he?
DeleteNew leadership? All of you guys are insiders.
ReplyDeleteBernie no super PAC. How come I didn't get invited to a Bernie house party?
ReplyDeleteWish Bernie would talk about how huge corporate profits (spurred by the tax breaks) are not re-invested to increase size of the business (creating new jobs) but rather used to buy back massive amounts of stock. Increases share value.(CEO's salaries are bases on stock appreciation) Not creating new jobs
ReplyDeleteMartin O'Malley, when you just cannot afford Ambien.
ReplyDeleteZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It worked on me.
DeleteI thought he was fabulous, very charismatic and earnest, well spoken. I'm just concerned about lack of foreign policy creds. Maybe a VP?
DeletePlan of 100% green energy by 2050. Where have I heard/read that before?
ReplyDeleteWebb, nuclear power??!! Ugg!
ReplyDeleteWebb loses on climate change.
ReplyDeleteHillary gets my vote. I was waiting to see this debate. Hillary sticker going on my car tomorrow! She WILL be the next president 2016 without a doubt! Love Bernie don't get me wrong, he makes some very excellent points. But it's Hillary all the way.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Bernie. Tax on carbon. Fossil fuel funding Repubs. Work with all countries to work on climate change. Good on Hillary and Obama finding where the Chinese were hiding and secretly meeting. I can picture that happening.
ReplyDeleteYeah Bernie about Clinton's emails!
ReplyDeleteHillary contrasting with Carly on paid family leave. Carly - yuk! Hillary - great!
ReplyDeleteIt must really be cold there. No one is sweating.
ReplyDeleteI was on the fence Clinton vs. Sanders. It's Hillary for me. I liked her answer about it was I think what is the biggest threat to America....Clinton said nuclear...Sanders said climate change.
ReplyDeleteThough as a flaming progressive I love Sanders ideals and wish we could achieve everything he says, but I believe Hillary has the more rounded out experience. Plus I believe she is more concerned about women and families. She knows the ins and outs all the way around and with her record could get much more done knowing the ropes even though Bernie is great.
It was an awesome moment when he backed her up and shook her hand. I respect them both greatly but it's time for a woman who will stand up for woman and make sure we don't have a political party's hands up our vaginas. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world so GO HILLARY!!!
Bernie is right. Climate change imperils the planet, and fuels political unrest in ways we're just beginning to comprehend. You think political tensions are bad now? Just wait until that many more billions are feeling the effects of drought, sea level rise, food insecurity, etc.
Delete6:43 I agree w/ you.
DeleteIf nukes fall into the wrong hands, climate change will be the least of our worries.
DeleteHow can anyone pick just one? There are multiple threats to our security.
DeleteYwc2- am I alone in not seeing any of the gop clowns surviving the pace, depth & toughness of this debate. Imagine the twitter whining.......
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing is so many in this country support the clowns... embarrassing to be an American
DeleteBut proud to be a Democrat
DeleteYea Hillary Repubs against big government until it comes to choice and PP. She's sick of it and so am I!!!!
ReplyDeleteShe delivered quite a blow with how she said that pointing out double standards of Republicans. It was a WOW moment.
DeleteWell, G. thanks for covering this. I was all set to watch at the start and we found a stupid rat in our garage. I was running around with a shovel trying to lure it out, but it's nested up in the rafters - I'm grossed out. Must get traps and stuff tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteOk, now am into the debate.
That was Donald Rat.
Delete7:32 get out of my head! :D
DeleteHillary and Bernie have left the rest of the candidates in the dust.
ReplyDeleteThe next debate will just be the two of them agreeing on everything, and high fiving each other.
They might need to get a room
DeleteBernie was right, G. Just like Obama, thw GOP will undermine everything. Vote the pubes OUT on every level!
DeleteHaha about high fiving each other.
Delete6:48 LOL LOL.
DeleteWhat's wrong with that?
Deletelegalizing recreational marijuana? Bernie says he supposes he would vote yes. What?! Hillary never tried pot? She's for medical marijuana but want to study legalizing.
ReplyDeleteNot everyone in the world has smoked a joint, I am one of them and I grew up in the 60's.
DeleteUnlike when her husband was running, it's wouldn't be a big deal for her to say she tried smoking. She seemed to have been a very serious student. That's not to say serious students didn't (and don't) smoke, but it could explain why SHE didn't.
Delete10:50. Same here. Never tried it, nor other drugs. I would probably vote for legalizing it and do strongly support medical marijuana. Rarely do alcohol either and no, I am not a prude. Grew up in the 60's but I was too busy trying to figure out how to support myself and figure out how I could pay for college, work and raise two kids. I figured it out, have my masters and my kids do as well. I love Bernie, but will be voting for Hillary.
DeleteI'm in Atlantic Canada and my neighbor has a VOTE TRUMP sign on his lawn.
ReplyDeleteSneak over and take the T off of it. lol
DeleteThere goes the neighborhood.
DeletePlease excuse my ignorance if "Atlantic Canada" is some town in the US and not Newfoundland or something, but does your neighbor know that Canadians can't vote in the US presidential election? Then again that's about the intelligence level of the typical Trump supporter.
DeleteBOO Hillary. She won't take a position on legalization. Supports medical though.
ReplyDeleteAn intelligent person does want to evaluate data and that takes time. I'm always happy to see someone not jump to conclusions.
DeleteThey've been evaluating for years. Legalize it, tax the fuck out of it and create more jobs. win-win
DeleteOHHH COME ON 6:53....
DeletePEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR CENTURIES.
IT IS A COMPLETELY NON-TOXIC PLANT THAT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ETC.
THERE IS NOTHING NEW, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN POLITICS AND A WAY TO CONTROL PEOPLE.
I NEVER USE CAPS, BUT THIS JOKE OF MORE STUDIES AND INFORMATION IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!!
Medical has saved my husband's quality of living.
DeleteIf states put it on the ballot and it gets passed like Colorado then she doesn't have to decide, I guess. Can people get arrested for using recreational marijuana in Colorado since the Federal doesn't support legalized use? I don't know.
DeleteI'm in Colorado and, yes, technically people can still get arrested if the feds decide to crack down. But, they won't.
DeleteYwc2 - adults exchanging ideas not insults. So happy I'm a dem.
ReplyDeleteYwc2 - adults exchanging ideas not insults. So happy I'm a dem.
ReplyDeleteHow to work with Republicans? Vote them all out and get a Democratic Senate and get more seats in the House. That's every Democrat's dream.
ReplyDeleteObama had it in the palm of his hands...
DeleteObama had it in the palm of his hands...
Delete… and the Democrats, seeing that, failed to turn out in 2010, a census year, for FSM's sake!
No, no he didn't. He never had a veto proof majority in either house. Not for a day.
DeleteOverall they are respectful of one another when they disagree.
ReplyDeleteWinner NRA O'Malley
ReplyDeleteEnemies: Republicans Hillary
Chafee Coal
Bernie Drug companies
All the good answers taken when Webb gave his answer.
He looked like a good little Republican, answering that question.
DeleteSounds like an intelligent debate. Read discussions, no fluff. Democrats are the real deal.
ReplyDeleteOops, that should have been, "real discussions".
DeleteMartin O'Malley points of the differences between the Dem and Rep debates. Good.
ReplyDeleteO'Malley has cute pointy ears.
ReplyDeleteO'Malley running for VP. I liked his closing statement contrasting the Democratic debate and the Republican debate.
ReplyDeleteI did, too!
DeleteThanks for hosting the thread tonight Gryphen. Couldn't imagine a better place to hang out than IM for the debate :)
ReplyDeleteTwas fun, was it not?
DeleteI don't post a lot but rest assured, I read every day and have been here since 2008. You are the best!
DeleteAmerica is Already Great! Take that Donald Trump!!!
ReplyDeleteWinners: Clinton & Sanders
ReplyDeleteRunner-up: O'Malley (good VP possibility for either of above)
Can't win: Chafee (too soft, almost mushy)
Drop out now: Webb (just a loser)
I think Webb might be the most electable in today's climate...
DeleteRight. Webb doesn't believe in climate change, wants more nuke plants and coal and oil drilling. He'd be better off had he stayed in the GOP.
DeleteYwc2 - 6:58 ++++++++++
ReplyDeleteI think Hillary set her first place position in stone tonight.
ReplyDeleteI loved, I loved, Bernie Sanders, but Hillary did what she needed to do, and unless something really damaging comes out in the next few months this is hers for the taking.
Agreed, and is Webb suffering from PTSD?
DeleteWell, Webb did say he was wounded in Nam.
DeleteBe honest Gryphen, like there was ever any doubt that your conclusion was going to be "Hillary the victor".
DeleteI believe the damage you are talking about has already started rolling down the 'hill' (so to speak).... and enter Biden from stage right.
But Bernie recognizes the need for a revolution of voters turning out in order to turn the tide in the Senate and hopefully the House. Without this, Hillary as President would be Republican-lite. (Maybe even with this.) Bernie is stressing the need for millionaires and billionaires to get their money out of politics, while Hillary needs that money. My money's on Bernie.
DeleteHillary doesn't 'need' that money. Bernie cannot, repeat, cannot compete with the GOP when there is ONE nominee and the attack ads start airing. They already write him off as a socialist, and it's one small step to convincing the low-ed voters that he's really a communist who will take their guns and their money. Seriously. Hillary can fight that, and the GOP has already taken away most of the ammo they had against her, all on their own. I love Bernie too, but he will not be our nominee.
DeleteI believe Hillary when she says she never tried "pot". Neither did I.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of sharing a cigarette with someone you not only wouldn't kiss in a fit but who may not have even cleaned their teeth.... was the best turn-off my mother could have wished for.
In this day and age there would be even more reasons not to do it.
You roll your own and then don't share it with anyone. Problem solved.
DeleteYou roll your own and then don't share it with anyone. Problem solved.
DeleteI believe that Hillary never tried it either. Same as she does now, she probably just looked and acted the part and pretended to be hippie, just to be accepted. Frankly Hillary would be a classic paranoid narc.
Delete7:20.... lighten up Francis.
I'm with you 7:20. I am in my mid fifties and have never tried it. Both my parents were smokers and idea of smoking anything is a big turnoff for me.
DeleteI'm dissapointed that Gryph made it an update! whether Hillary smoked pot or not. Not an issue in my book. It's legal where I live.If that's all you have to pick on about her then move on...she's not Bristol!
Delete@anon 8:01 pm
DeleteI was a hippy and never did drugs including marijuana, I didn't have to pretend to be a hippy like todays hipsters. Maybe you missed the 60's by not being born yet, but the 60's was more about personal choices than anything else.
POTUS HILLARY / VP BERNIE 2016!
ReplyDeleteTonight's BIGGEST LOSER:
ReplyDeleteTHE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernie and Hillary came out on top. I would love to see them together as President/Vice-Pres. in whatever order.
ReplyDelete*seriously*
We need Bernie in the senate if he doesn't get the nomination.
DeleteI'm of an age with Hillary and I NEVER tried pot - spent 3 years at university - guess it was there - but I never saw it.
ReplyDeleteIt was only a matter of a few years. You must be 4 years older than I am, and pot was everywhere. Hillary is much too serious about her mission in life to have ever let herself be distracted by drugs.
DeleteI was in college for five years in the early 70's. Lived in a dorm the whole time, and yes, there was pot around, but I did not try it. Never drank either. My dad was a heavy smoker (of tobacco) and drinker, and ruined my parents' marriage with both. I still do not drink alcohol, or smoke anything at all. None of the six kids from that angry household do.
DeleteI gotta sign up for this dude's campaign, sorry Hillary fans http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/09/10/martin-omalley-makes-1-74-on-wall-street-playing-guitar/
ReplyDeleteHillary nailed it. I was waiting to see her shine and she did. Don't get me wrong I love Bernie, but it's not his time. I'm with Hillary 100%. She will be the next POTUS without a doubt!
ReplyDeleteI think you're right. I'd have preferred Bernie over Hillary yesterday, but I have much more confidence in her today. I saw a lot of respect between the two of them; I think President Clinton will find a good spot for Bernie in her cabinet.
DeleteWho freaking cares if Hillary tried pot or not? Is it really such a big point on who to vote for? Whether someone did or not is NOT the issue! You think Bernie never lied about ANYTHING??? That is naive!
ReplyDeleteAs much as I like Bernie and his ideological progressive ideals which I agree with he WILL NOT NEVER IN NO WAY be able to accomplish as much as Hillary will because simply he is seen as a LWNJ by Americans. Sorry but I don't care if Hillary may have taken a hit of pot at one time in her life. That is such a small issue to pick on if you need something to make her look like a liar. Maybe you should go back to Ben Ghazi or E Mails if you don't like her that much. Maybe you should have included a picture of Chelsea looking like a hippie?
IMO Bernie will just not be able to accomplish what Hillary can. Things often most happen for the best in small steps. I love progressive idealism but it just aint a gonna happen yet. Small steps. Hillary has power. I'm going with her this time around!
Hillary is an unaccomplished boob.
DeleteShe will drop out of this race with scandals. Better get ready with another horse. Hillary has power lol!!
Well I'm in my mid 50s and have never smoked pot. But I'm also a Texan and I love beans in my chili. Maybe I'm some sort of mutation.
ReplyDeleteO/T: Brad Scharlott, who has posted articles such as "Did Sarah Palin Hoax the Country About Trig's Birth?" has just made his first post in quite a while, about his representative Thomas Massie and the "Freedom Caucus". http://scharlottsbeacon.blogspot.ca/2015/10/its-time-to-go-after-u.html
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