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| Hey I don't care how deformed your baby might be, I'm telling you to have it anyway. |
Gov. Mike Pence signed a bill Thursday that prevents women from aborting a fetus due to Down syndrome or other genetic abnormalities.
The measure also prohibits abortions sought on the basis of gender or race.
Abortion providers could face wrongful death lawsuits or professional sanctions if an abortion is performed solely on the basis of a genetic condition.
First off I want to say that I could not imagine feeling that I had any right to insist that a woman give birth to a child with birth defects, Down syndrome, or any other disability.
Secondly does Mike Pence not realize that the children born with these challenges also place a heavy burden on the states in which they live, and on the government as a whole?
It is NOT only the families of these children who are forced to meet what can sometimes be overwhelming challenges, but they also need Medicaid to help them pay for services, the public schools to accommodate their child's educational needs, and access to mental health facilities, nurses, physical therapists, caregivers, physicians, and many other services the bill for which the federal or state government must pay.
Now of course THAT is no reason for a woman to choose abortion over taking her baby to term, but for a so-called "fiscally conservative Republican" you would think that might factor into forcing a woman to give birth to a baby she may be unfit or unable to care for effectively.
I'm sorry, was I being too logical again?
Just another example of 'get the government out of my life unless it pertains to my lady parts.' How does any female vote for this crap? This is not Biblical. Not logical. Not even reasonable. A woman and her doctor should make all medical decisions, not some dictator in a nice suit pointing his finger at us and demanding we do what he says. I love how the RW hates Obama because of the 'mandates' in the ACA, but are gung-ho behind these sorts of dictatorial laws that are all over the country now. We have to vote these people out. They are eroding our rights every single day, not Obama.
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monthly social security disability for life
ReplyDeleteMy DIL has a handicapped sister who is now 32, and yes, her father gets a check every month. And will for the rest of her life. He is a retired corporate attorney-you think he needs the help?
DeleteI doubt her mom would have aborted her anyway, and I don't know if they even knew back then. But the woman is barely reading, will never hold any kind of job, and is hard to understand. When her dad dies, it will be up to my son and his wife to care for her, along with the two kids they have.
How unfair to your son.
DeleteYour DIL's father needs to set up a trust fund account with a neutral trustee for his disabled daughter and let the married couple get on with their own lives. It is HIS responsibility to care for her not the married couple with two kids. See Rain man for an example of how it is done.
DeleteNo one should complain about Social Security disability payments. It can happen to anyone. We have retired friends with a middle-aged son who receives SS disability payments. His parents could never afford to continue his care and upkeep after their deaths. It is important that he receive this help. It is the least that we, as a humane society, can do for others.
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12:34. Having been the niece of an aunt with Down’s I know what you are talking about regarding care. It does not go away when the parents die or become incapacitated, it becomes the responsibility of the next generation. When one decides to birth a child with Down’s they must make provision for this child for the rest of its life. Maybe churches could stand up and take this on?
DeleteNo complaint about SSD as a program. However when the government makes it mandatory to give birth to DS and other babies with severe birth defects, and then at the same time make dire warnings about the health of the SSD fund, ....I cry foul. You can't impose draconian programs on women and children without even mentioning the funding, how we will keep paying.
DeleteAnon at 2:34 pm. You are right but the GOP politicians who enact these draconian measures have absolutely no interest in the child once it has been born. Yet most of them claim that they are religious people who are willing to spout the one or two Biblical passages they've learned by rote, always from the OT, to support their cruel and vicious positions.
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I am so sick of men ordering women what to o with their bodies & life! It's none of this man's fucken business what I chose to do! I don't tell him what todo.
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me the adoption rate is going to go up in about nine months.
ReplyDeleteOh, that's right. Hardly anyone wants a baby with severe problems from birth.
So more abandoned, more put into adoption, some snuffed all because this dildo wants to get re-elected by the God people.
ReplyDeleteGreat! Force women to not only carry and give birth to unwanted infants, but even severely disabled infants? Neglect, abuse, overwhelmed social services, foster homes, etc. Great.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't even about "unwanted" but many genetic abnormalities are "incompatible with life" essentially this forces a woman to gestate to stillbirth. If a woman is older, it robs her of precious fertility months.
DeleteAbnormalilties like this are a true medical reason for abortion. 90+% of the time, the human body will spontaneously abort. Failure to do so surely is a medical malfunction and using artificial means to do what a normal body would naturally do is legitimate cause to abort.
Sounds like Puke Pence just wants to torture women.
In many states that have passed these types of laws, a woman who miscarries is in danger of being tried, convicted, and sentenced to prison for years. I remember reading about a woman who fell down some stairs in her home, miscarried, and was prosecuted for deliberately killing her child, even though it was an accident. These tools want every fetus carried to term and don't seem to be in the mood to believe that a woman can miscarry. I just cannot understand them being opposed to making contraception easily available to women and forcing women to have kids they may not want at the same time. There's something seriously wrong with these folks, and they're not only sitting in state legislatures, they're sitting on the SCOTUS. I was appalled when I read earlier this week that the so-called conservative justices think a woman can buy a contraception only insurance healthcare policy on the Obamacare exchanges. Justice Sotomayor had to tell them that these types of policies aren't sold on the exchanges and that what they believe is a falsehood.
DeleteDon't forget, part of this law is the requirement that if you have an abortion or miscarriage you are forced to legally bury or cremate the remains, no matter if it is a 1/4 cup of bloody tissue.
DeleteEveryone needs to google the article about the "gift" the fairygodmother at Disneyland gave to this woman.
DeleteHer fetus was diagnosed with a severe birth defect at 21 weeks. She opted to carry to term, with all the expense and heartbreak that entails. The baby lived for 85 hours. (No telling in how much pain it suffered.)
The parents had their daughter cremated and a grief counselor suggested having the ashes bagged and sewn into a teddy bear. They also recorded their daughter's heartbeat and put that in the bear too. They take this bear everywhere with them. They sleep with this bear. And they presented the bear to the fairygodmother at Disneyland for an autograph for their dead daughter.
Now I know people grieve in different ways but this is just plain sick.
I have to wonder, if the guilt the god-people lay on their believers were NOT at play here, if that couple would have been better terminating the pregnancy at 21 weeks rather than live the rest of their lives with this overwhelming grief. And the mental illness this grief may lead to.
You're gonna have it even if it kills you. I'm totally disgusted with these Government officials shoving their religion down the throats of citizens.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest that the good governor in all his ~wisdom~ open an adoption agency and become responsible for All of these fORCED pregnancies.
ReplyDeleteProblem solved, yes?
Problem solved, NO. Being forced to gestate is in and of itself slavery. I would be sick on a daily basis knowing that any biological offspring of mine where in the hands of one of theses Christo fascists.
Deleteguess you missed the sarcasm.
DeleteTotally OT, but from the "what could possibly go wrong?" dept. there's this:
ReplyDeletePetition pushes to allow guns at GOP convention
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/guns-petition-republican-national-convention/index.html
Sounds good to me!
DeleteI think it's a great idea. If something "goes wrong" at this convention, maybe the GOP will see their sacred 2nd amendment in a whole new light.
DeleteI think the petition was started for the fun of trolling the GOP, but the number signed is going up because both trolls and ammosexuals are want as many up votes as possible.
DeleteThe convention venue is "gun free" per the owner, but the state of Ohio has liberal gun laws.
John Kasich wants the same damn thing and he's the only sane and moderate appearing GOP candidate now. Actually, he is anything but.
DeleteKasich is just another teabagger GOP governor, now masquerading as a "moderate." Our governor, Snyder in Michigan, pretended to be "moderate" until he was in office. He's been showing his true Tea Party colors ever since.
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I signed - it leaves room for comment - and I did - calling out the TeaTHUGS as hypocrites- guns at YOUR party, but not at ours.
DeleteAll righty then, since there are laws in place that say women can drop their new born babies off at certain places with no questions asked. The Governors MANSION should be the first on the list.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant!
DeleteHopefully this bowl of F will be gone by then but we can always use his own home as a drop off point.
DeleteWas thinking the same! Let him take care of them.
DeleteExactly.
DeleteBut I think it should be at his office.
Just go into the Capital building and up to the main desk or whatever. Say you have something for the governor and hand it over. Then walk out.
They should give him the bill for all of the medical appointments and procedures they had to pay out of pocket too.
mlaiuppa, love the billing idea!
DeleteAs a former Hoosier, let me share a few more disgusting things about Mike Pence and Hoosierstan...Pence was one of the TeaTHUG governors who refused the Medicaid expansion. So there are many, many Hoosiers who had no insurance (making over $5K but below $20K) Their Family and Social Services is completely dysfunctional - giving our ocntradictory information that does 180's depending on the day of the week. NOTHING is online, so poor people have to track to centralized offices that are open bankers hours only, and often de facto closed for lunch.
ReplyDeleteThen, until a couple of years ago, if you had a mentally ill or handicapped kid, even a violent one, the parent had to abandon and allow themselves to be charged with neglect and sign away parental rights to get residential care.
Education is also a crapshoot, as funding often makes kids take long bus rides daily, to programs that can accommodate them.
And, there is more...but enough for now.
Fuck Pence and his TeaThuggers too.
DeleteRight off the top of my head I say move the hell out of Indiana.
ReplyDeleteI have, and couldn't be happier about it. Last one out, please turn out the lights - there is a mass exodus of college educated from Hoosierstan. Nothing but service sector jobs unless one is in Indianapolis, or can commute outside the state.
DeleteThe law has no impact for women with the funds and leisure to travel to a place that allows safe, private abortions. (Canada, Europe, etc.
ReplyDeleteThe sole purpose of these laws to force women in lower economic levels to produce babies.
The Governor gets political points for "protecting the unborn" while blatantly ignoring which women retain "choice" and which women are simply objects for his political gain.
If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
The expression "protecting the unborn" infuriates me. I agree totally with you, Anon at 1:05 pm, especially your last sentence!
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Gryphen, Pence doesn't give a shit for the costs. Thump that damn bible like it mad is all they know. One day the non religious will turn the tables on the thumpers once and for all. Just a matter of time.
ReplyDeleteA pre-teen or teenage girl is supposed to be feeding her own body, not a fetus. There is physical, emotional, economic, psychological COST to bring a child to term. No one can compensate a girl/women for that cost. To demand it in order to bring a damaged fetus to term is simply torture.
ReplyDeleteAre the Republicans in Indiana going to provide better care for children with disabilities, more support for their working parents, more educational opportunities for everyone? Obviously the answer is a resounding "no." There is only one thing we can all be sure of: Republicans are wiling to commit themselves to support human beings only before they are born.
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Not if they continue on their path to drowning the government in a bathtub by funneling money out of the public domain and into the hands of the one and two percenters and corporations.
DeleteIndiana has a waiting list that would require the program to grow by 83% on average to accommodate the need.
Deletehttp://cfi.ucp.org/state-scorecards/
No man will EVER tell me what I will or will not do with my body.
ReplyDeleteNO man should have rights over my body and what I want to do with a fetus. There are many reasons for abortions and I'm glad I chose that route once many years ago.
ReplyDeleteFuck Governor Pence and all other white politicians just like him! Could he be Republican by any chance?
ReplyDeleteThey HAVE to get Trump, Cruz and Kasich to comment on this publicly. Kasich already said awhile back that he too would sign it in Ohio. Somehow get the question to the sunday shows.
ReplyDeleteI believe Kasich also signed or expressed support for a similar law in Ohio. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/john-kasich-abortion-2016-campaign-218846
DeleteI wish someone would list all the government programs we pay for. I know that some local ones will vary. I do not begrudge this help to people who feel they have to go through with it, or don't know. But I definitely begrudge it if the republicans are still going to snarl about reducing entitlements. And if the person with the DS child, getting lots of help from the government is constantly on a soapbox trying to get ObamaCare taken away from OTHER families.
ReplyDeleteUnlike Sarah Palin, most families with DS children/siblings are not opposed to the ACA. In fact, the national DS advocacy organization was one of the only such organization that supported the ACA. Obviously they were not paying attention to Sarah Palin's nonsense about "death panels."
DeleteBeaglemom
Well, one silver lining -- there will be no more need for the amnio testing. After all, if you can't act on the findings, why even bother? Or, maybe that is also being outlawed in Indiana? So, this law is considered a cost saving measure, perhaps?
ReplyDeleteI grew up there, in Indiana, but right after college returned to my birth state, NY. Both my sisters also left right after college. Guess we knew it was not a welcoming state!!
Good move. It isn't, not to women and not to the educated.
DeleteCare of Down’s afflicted people is not only the responsibility of the parents, it usually extends to siblings and, ultimately, as people afflicted live longer, grandchildren. This is not a trivial undertaking. It has torn families apart. Few people have any idea what it takes to be a vigilant caretaker 24/7, the rest of your life. I do.
ReplyDeleteDo we have the Wasilla Wendigo to thank for all the worship of Down Syndrome people? DS is a disability that causes families financial ruin and divorce just like any other physical or mental handicap. Some afflicted with DS can't even be toilet trained and live their short lives being taken from medical appointment to medical appointment, yet all the wingnut states fall to their knees in worship of DS.
ReplyDeleteYes, I thought that "Celebrate Downs Day" was insane. They almost sound as if someone came along with a cure, they'd refuse.
DeleteThe fake "celebration" of DS by the Palin tribe is all the more despicable because they have failed Trig so miserably since his birth by seeing him only as a toy, a source of comedy, a small person to make fun of. Had Sarah Palin resigned the governorship when Trig came into her life because she was determined to make his life the best it could possibly be, people would have understood and admired her. As it is, he became her photo prop for years and now, for some bizarre reason, he's Bristol's sympathy prop. Next, when his next court date gets closer, we'll probably see him in photos with Track.
DeleteBeaglemom
They don't celebrate Down's Day. People like the Palins celebrate themselves for being such noble wonderful martyrs to care for someone who is defective.
DeleteThey don't see their family member with DS as an individual with special needs, who with help can make the most of whatever skills, talents, and abilities they have to live as full and independent a life as possible.
They see themselves as wonderful because they are taking on the care of someone who they see as a burden. Oh, they claim to love their little burden, yet they do nothing to help their burden.
After all, if Trig were receiving the best of care and was living a life not very different from any other kid, his family couldn't keep going on about how noble they are for "accepting" him, could they?
The reason a woman chooses to have an abortion is no one's business. I'm so glad Democrats are finally, without apology, standing up for abortion rights. I hope this issue is central in all state and federal elections this fall.
ReplyDeleteThis cocksucker should have his dick cut off and fed to wolves. The sheer crust of this half a motherfucker is beyond comprehension. Beneath comtempt, a puss filled sore on the face of humanity.
ReplyDeleteCan someone please answer my question - "how would THEY know your choice of an abortion was due to fetal abnormalities?"
ReplyDeleteIf I recall correctly, at age 39, over two decades ago, I had amniocentesis around 14 weeks. The results were in at 15 weeks. I would've been scheduled for an abortion at 16 weeks if the results were not good. But I never had to give a REASON.
Since when do you need a reason to have an abortion before 20 weeks?
Once again, the idiots who support these invasive fake bills will be on the hook to have their state's attorney general argue it. Yet be thrown out by SCOTUS for being unconstitutional.
"Indiana Governor Mike Pence signs bill making it illegal to get an abortion based on fetal abnormalities."
ReplyDeleteExistential murderer of the highest order.
My daughter is a nurse.
ReplyDeleteShe used to be anti-abortion, now she knows better.
She spent a year in the NICU.
Every one of these ignorant people that insist on women bringing EVERY fetus to term should have to spend at least one year in the NICU - taking care of those poor, unfortunate babies born with terrible birth defects for the duration of their sad little lives - the entirety of which often consist of a few weeks (or, sadly, sometimes days - or even hours) of screaming agony.
If you callously think every baby should be brought to term - YOU should have to spend a year - hell, a month - a WEEK - in the NICU, taking care of these tiny, tiny babies whose entire lives are screaming misery.
...Because there are obviously holes in your education.
Wow. Thank you for your comment.
DeleteWhen my son was born, over 40 years ago now, he was in the NICU for a week. He was sharing the space with another baby who had been there for a month and was about to be moved to a different part of the unit - for babies for whom there was no hope. That poor baby's mother was there all day every day, never with the father, watching through the glass and hoping for a miracle. i tried to convince myself that the father could not come because he had to work but I don't think that was the reason. So, she waited for a miracle. Sadly no miracle had happened by the time we took our
Deleteremarkably healthy baby home.
At the time I had never thought much about abortion. I had been so desperate to have a child but, between my complicated and challenging pregnancy and the experience of watching this devastated woman outside the NICU window staring at the tiny baby who barely moved, I became a real believer in a woman's choice. A choice that no man should be allowed to interfere with - ever.
Beaglemom
The "moderate" Kasich signed a bill that there was No exceptions including rape incest or life of the mother. He has signed 16 different bills limiting abortion. Nicky Haley will sign the just passed no abortion after 20 weeks because of "fetal pain".Woman's right are being systematically stripped away by Repuklicans.In France, this "terrible Socialist "country, the Gov't PAYS for your abortion!Vive la France.
ReplyDeleteDown's Syndrome is the best know, but some of the other genetic disorders are even more devastating. These are the reasons that women regretfully abort a fetus they really wanted. The cost, just money here, of care is more than most families can manage. Many of the children are eventually placed in a residential facility for the rest of their life. We are talking about teen-agers so retarded they have NO self-help skills. This is a crime.
ReplyDeleteWhere the hell do these pukes get off practicing medicine without a license? I thought that was illegal.
ReplyDeleteUmmm... Let me get this straight. A woman cannot get an abortion if the fetus is non-viable because of genetic defects.
ReplyDeleteIssn't the main reason of women getting an abortion because the fetus has some genetic defect? So, IOW, no abortions allowed anymore in Indiana.
Got it.
No, the main reason for a woman getting an abortion is because she doesn't want to have a baby at that point.
DeleteI don't know why women are not in the streets protesting this complete invasion of our rights. The right to abortion is settled law in this country. How can we sit back and just allow our rights to be taken away?
ReplyDeleteI marched on Washington twice in the mid 80s when I was in college for reproductive rights. Abortion was legal and under attack. And now, when there is even more national support for safe, legal abortion, we still see this kind of legislation. People are too complacent.
DeleteWomen have a choice when it comes to abortion. The best scenario is a safe, local, private abortion. For rich woman Canada and other countries is ALWAYS an option. For poor woman, more and more, the choice is becoming a back alley abortionist.
ReplyDeleteLaws like these condemn more women to death from botched abortions.
And Pence and his ilk get fundie cred at the ballot box.
Maybe Planned Parent Hood , in some
ReplyDeletelegal way could set up a donation plan
for people to travel elsewhere from Indiana for abortions. Put the person
with the abortion doctor , date, time
and that the person had a caregiver to
be with her.
abortions.
In Florida Rick Scott just signed a devastating anti abortion bill based on the one in Texas,which is currently before the SCOTUS.ALL of these bills will be challenged. One was just overturned in Louisiana.We can only hope the new restrictions are overturned as well.
ReplyDeleteRick Scott signed this Florida bill in private, without any fanfare. All the other bills he signed this term were with reporters and cameras, but on this one he didn't want anyone to notice. He is a totally useless sick dude. POS.
DeleteThese bills are just a form of communism. If the government of China could tell women they MUST only have one child (The One Child Policy), then the government of the USA can tell women they MUST have a child (wanted or not). In either country, the government is in charge of the decision. And this is why Roe v. Wade was decided on a fundamental Right to Privacy. Because the government has no business telling women when to have a child. We are not much different from China now. The government is in charge of your reproduction.
If men got pregnant, getting an abortion would be like getting a pedicure...easily procured.
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And we're gonna cut your state benefits.
ReplyDeleteLive with it!
(We need the mindless, poorly cared-for soldiers for our wars to come.)
Love Jesus.
Bitch.
I believe that I have a moral obligation not to impose the consequences of my choices on others. When you listen to the TeaTHUGs, they certainly seem to agree. But suddenly it's A-OK to have children you know you will not be able to support financially and likely will not be around to provide the care for their lifetimes. Only a matter of a few decades until we have homeless DS people on the streets in places like Indiana.
ReplyDeleteGee, Mr Pence, glad to see your mother's choice to have you despite your disfigurement seemed to have had a happy ending. Did they chain her to the plumbing and make her suffer? How about those circumstances when the placenta tears from the uterus, and the baby dies in utero? Should we risk death of both the child from starvation and the mother from infection/sepsis? Thanks, but no thanks. Stay out of people's private discussions with their doctors, or their circumstances when pregnant with ANY fetus.
ReplyDeleteUnless, of course, women can drop their children at your door and sign adoption papers. Just think of all the dependents on your tax returns! Hospital bills, day care, food, clothes, medicine, etc. Would you sign a paper saying it's the law that you personally adopt all these forced births?
Proceed, Governor.
Are there ANY brain cells left in the GOOP (yes, that's spelled right)? Most of those who think they should dictate what a woman does with her womb should have been aborted.
ReplyDeleteWhere does he think all these non-aborted disabled people will be housed? Going back to the shitheap 'homes' for disabled and mentally ill from the 19th century?
Here comes ZIKA...and Indiana will be the Republican flagship state of 24-7 health care and compassion for those babies and their families. (sarcasm off)
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This GOP dweeb is cut from the same Tparty cloth as those GOP dweebs in Michigan and Wisconsin. For them, it is more important to rule rather than govern. Not unlike the mullahs they like to threaten us with.
ReplyDeleteThis "law" should immediately be enjoined by the IN federal court pending federal review. It will be struck down as an unreasonable restriction on a woman's right to choose. A waste of taxpayer dollars from the self-proclaimed party of fiscal responsibility.
ReplyDeleteIf I thought it would pound any sense into this pinhead's brain, I suggest that he spend a day (if he could last that long) taking care of a severely deformed baby or make him sit there and watch it slowly die.
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