Bernie Sanders predicted Monday that the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia could be "messy" as he pushed the party to adopt his progressive agenda, but added, "Democracy is not always nice and quiet and gentle."
The Democratic presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press that his supporters hoped to see a platform at the July convention that reflects the needs of working families, the poor and young people as opposed to one that represents Wall Street and corporate America.
The Vermont senator said he will "condemn any and all forms of violence" but his campaign was bringing in newcomers to the process and first-time attendees of political conventions. He said the Democratic Party could choose to be more inclusive.
"I think if they make the right choice and open the doors to working-class people and young people and create the kind of dynamism that the Democratic Party needs, it's going to be messy," Sanders said. "Democracy is not always nice and quiet and gentle but that is where the Democratic Party should go."
Asked if the convention could be messy, Sanders said: "So what? Democracy is messy. Everyday my life is messy. But if you want everything to be quiet and orderly and allow, you know, just things to proceed without vigorous debate, that is not what democracy is about."
So the question to be asked is "How messy will it be?"
Part of the answer to that question might be suggested by this Jake Tapper tweet from yesterday.
Okay well I think we all know that there is NO way that Hillary is going to give Bernie Sanders any say over who she appoints to her cabinet. And demanding that she do so is guaranteed to cause conflict.Reporter: Sanders wants say over Clinton cabinet picks https://t.co/VWi0gkPKFq - @jmartNYT & @JFKucinich on #TheLead— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) May 23, 2016
Of course the pressure that Bernie wants to apply to Hillary to get her to bend to his will is the promise of endorsing her and sending his army of supporters to cast their votes for her in the general.
However as it turns out that support may be nontransferable.
Courtesy of the New York Times:
Mr. Sanders has drawn enthusiastic support from young people, a common pattern for outsider candidates. But here, too, the impression of ideological commitment is mostly illusory. While young Democrats in the January survey were more likely than those over age 35 to call themselves liberals, their ideological self-designations seem to have been much more lightly held, varying significantly when they were reinterviewed.
Moreover, warm views of Mr. Sanders increased the liberalism of young Democrats by as much as 1.5 points on the seven-point ideological scale. For many of them, liberal ideology seems to have been a short-term byproduct of enthusiasm for Mr. Sanders rather than a stable political conviction.
Perhaps for that reason, the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues — even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences.
The illusory progressive ideals of Sanders' supporters combined with the rabid anti-Hillary rhetoric that permeates his movement, and their absolute certainty that the system is rigged against their candidate, means that counting on their votes in November may be a waste of time and resources.
The Bernie supporters who are actually Democrats will vote for the Democrat in the race, but the ones who showed up only for the revolution, well those folks will be the ones outside arguing with the cops and screaming that the whole system is rigged.
So if Sanders has really nothing to bargain with, why bargain?
By the way for those still clinging to the idea that Sanders had this nomination stolen from him, you might want to read this post from Kos.
WHY would he think he should help pick Clinton's cabinet??That is totally absurd.This man is crazy.Or senile.Probably both.
ReplyDeleteOld white man syndrome. "I'm entitled. She's a woman and should bow to my superior opinion."
DeleteI started out as a Bernie supporter, but I swear he takes white man entitlement to the farthest extreme, not to mention his barely contained misogyny.
Glad I saw his true colors early enough to avoid compromising my vote.
His acolytes treat him as the Second Coming and he always believes his own publicity.
DeleteWho the fuck does he think he is? Telling her WHO to put in her cabinet? Fuck off!
DeleteThe word is out, everyone is ignoring Bernie and concentrating on trump. He is delusional.(Bernie)
From what I see a "reporter" says that's what Bernie says. I'll wait for further confirmation before I throw a hissy.
DeleteThis is just meat for the Hillary supporters' Bernie bashing. (see choice of photo above.)
Meh.
ReplyDeleteAs long as they don't throw chairs or bombs,I'm cool.
Little boisterous dissension is ok also too!
They need to throw the chairs at Bernie! Hopefully, he'll be in attendance to the party he is trying to yank apart! Someone needs to give him a couple of shiners too while they are at it! Would be fun to watch!
DeleteVote Hillary Clinton as POTUS!
I'd like to pull Bernie's hair & put it in a short ponytail.
DeleteIf there is dissension at the Democratic Convention it will be blamed on Hillary Clinton and she'll be accused by the media of not being "tough enough" - all because she's a woman.
DeleteBeaglemom
"Down ballot"?!
ReplyDeleteMore like down the hall...
"The leadership PAC of Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D., Fla.) has paid out nearly $100,000 more in salaries than it has given to Democratic candidates during the 2016 election cycle, a review of Federal Election Commission records shows.
The Democrats Win Seats PAC, or DWS PAC, has a stated mission of directing “resources to help elect Democrats around the country.” However, records show the PAC has spent more on staff than helping campaigns."
http://freebeacon.com/politics/dnc-chairs-pac-paid-salaries-given-democrats/
1. resources doesn't necessarily equate to $.
Delete2. Those are hardly exorbitant salaries.
So fucking what? Maybe they hired more people.
DeleteI wonder how much the hair stylist gets to maintain that Top Ramen hairdo?
Delete6:55, what does Debbie's beautiful and naturally curly hair have to do with her hubris as DNC chairperson?
DeleteFUCKING.NOTHING.
But he's not running as a Democrat for reelection in Vermont!
ReplyDeleteYou can't have it all, Bernie. Either be a Democrat and abide by the rule or don't be a Democrat.
Beaglemom
Opportunistic little shits like this cretin and his buddy Trump never abide by the rules.
DeleteBernie isn't coloring in the lines, but how the hell else is he supposed to make historical changes for the good of middle class Americans?
DeleteBernie knows exactly how President Obama was shackled, taking him 8 years to accomplish what he could have done in four years.
Anon at 8:28 am. And President Obama did not exactly get great help from Bernie Sanders either. Because of his "independent status," Sanders has never had an important Congressional committee role. He brayed on and on about single payor health care until the last minute when he finally decided to vote with the Democrats, after they fought the GOP anti-health care reform onslaught for months. Bernie Sanders' biggest problem is Bernie Sanders' ego.
DeleteBeaglemom
If our party can't stand a little heat and be made stronger, then we might as well all be Independents.
ReplyDeleteBrawling is not "heat". This is not a policy contest because Sanders has no viable policies- for anything.
Delete@3:22
DeleteWho said anything about "brawling"?
Bernie's behavior makes Ralph Nader look good. It's Bernie's Last Hurrah. He will be a bothersome footnote in the 2016 historic election. Unless he can line up a reality show or two, he will be all but forgotten except by a few. Like Eugene McCarthy. Sorry, Bernie Bots. This has happened before. Please don't let your high intentions bother you so much that Trump is elected.
ReplyDeleteOh, and i hope Bernie Sanders ~ the adorable 9 month old kitten ~ is around for the next 20 years.
DeleteHe will remind me of the most interesting election probably in my lifetime.
Ralph Nader ran in a general election and this is the primaries.
DeletePlease don't let your feelings keep you from accepting the pragmatism of a Clinton/Sanders ticket in 2016.
The ticket will never be Clinton/Sanders. He would knife her in the back.
Delete@7:36 That viewpoint doesn't seem based on reality.
DeleteAs a matter of fact, that viewpoint smacks of the subterfuge and sabotage of a paid operative ~ and, if that's not you, perhaps you would think through your viewpoint.
Bernie is growing, more and more each day, in being a massive fucking asshole! He wants nothing more than to see the Democratic party torn apart!
ReplyDeleteI feel for Debbie and sincerely hope she is reelected in spite of The Jerk campaigning against her!
Kick his ass high in the sky, Debbie! His ego needs to be smashed!
Vote Hillary Clinton too for POTUS!
+1
Delete@2:55
Delete"Kick his ass high in the sky, Debbie! His ego needs to be smashed!"
So you're condoning violence at the convention?
Debbie's having to put up with so much blame that she really doesn't deserve. Once Hillary gets in I do expect her to remain a listener to liberals' view, but she won't owe Bernie himself a thing. And Debbie will be able to say F-you to Bernie. And his wife.
DeleteMy new kitty's name is Bernie Sanders ~ just to watch the face of the lady behind the desk at the vet as she recorded it. She tried to just write down 'Bernie', but i called her ass out on it and made her write the name in it's entirety.
ReplyDeleteThey blare Fox News Noise all day in all the exam rooms and the waiting room (even though it was a deal back in the day with Fox to buy the TVs and provide the programming, the vet never turned the channel when it became allowed).
I don't know where you live or who your vet is, but as a lifelong dog and cat owner as well as a pro dog trainer for the past 30 years, it is a good idea to always "shop around" for veterinarians. They are only humans and the gaps in their knowledge are not limited to political matters. Just my humble opinion.
Delete@3:16 I promise to just using the Fox News vet for nail clips, etc. cuz it's three blocks from my house.
DeleteMy spay/neuter/serious vet lives 500 miles from my house, but believe me ~ it's worth the trip. I totally agree with and hear what you are saying and am grateful for your input and don't feel so crazy, now, for planning vacations around important vet visits :)
Bernie Sanders predicts a "messy" DNC convention,
ReplyDeleteFuc_ you stubborn angry old man. That's why a 74 year old man shouldn't be president. We are all going to eventually get old and stubborn but angry old stubborn people shouldn't be put in leadership roles with power.
A "Bernie or Bust" group is coming to Philly! Yes, the senile Sanders actually has a group coming to our convention to rally people into not voting for the nominee.
ReplyDeleteAnyone not convinced Sanders is an ass yet?
And he wants four days of intense protests outside. It'll get ugly and he'll not say a word.
DeleteGood luck to them finding hotel rooms lol.
DeleteHe is an ass.
DeleteCorrection:
ReplyDelete"So if Sanders has really nothing to bargain with, why bargain" with him.
Which Hillary isn't.
Unbelievable. Let's hope that Hillary puts Bernie away (she is way up in the polls) in California and the other states on June 7. That ought to put Robespierre in his place.
ReplyDeleteWhen Hillary is President, Sanders will have a say in who sits on the cabinet right along with the other 99 Senators who must vote on the cabinet picks.
Bernie has already been put away. That's why he's making outrageous demands. What a doofus!
DeleteI don't think Sanders has ever wanted to be POTUS (if he did he wouldn't be hiding his tax returns) so what was his goal? To cause trouble? To rile up a bunch of budding communists? To capture the demographic that notoriously doesn't vote? To make money for his younger wife to live off when he croaks?
ReplyDeleteHe's a cult leader, nothing more. He has no clue about (and no apparent interest in) being the leader of the free world. I can't wait for him and his thugs to be out of my life.
He planned on collecting a "ron Paul" retirement plan but spent all the money that came in. So now he has to cause a ruckus so some of his more unintelligent supporters will send him some $$$$ thinking he can do something. Any of his more intelligent supporters see the writing on the wall and will most likely not send $$$ to the guy losing.
DeleteI seem to recall Ted Cruz warning about a Messy Convention a month before he dropped out too.
ReplyDeleteThis is no about ego and retaliation and misogyny. More and more like Trump each day. Can you imagine any candidate in the primaries telling a MALE nominee that they demanded a say in picking their cabinet??????!!!!!! Can you imagine ANYONE saying that to Trump, or Romney, or McCain, or even Obama??????!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteHow. Utterly. Disgusting. Fuckin Ass hole
Yeah, why not? Everyone in the election will be given a "role" to play in Bernie's game of chutes and ladders. And I thought Trump had hubris.
ReplyDeleteBTW the KOS link is a must read.
I'm sure Hillary already has a cabinet position picked just for him. Secretary of foot stomping and yelling "Stay off my lawn, dammit!"
What a shame, when he first came on the scene he sounded somewhat lucid. The DNC was more than fair with him, and he still isn't satisfied.
I agree! Great post from Kos! A must read!
DeleteExcellent point about the younger votes not wanting things that require spending money on them. People think the young liberals are all about wanting to do what's right using actual resources, but so many of them, when it comes to money, don't understand and don't what what implementation requires.
ReplyDeleteI've lost so much respect for Bernie. He should now be satisfied. Hillary offered concessions and then more concessions. no more. That's it. As far as the Cabinet goes, fuck Bernie! Get real,old man. If you want a cabinet choice, then win an election. Geez, he's getting grouchier and meaner every day. Who does he think he is!
ReplyDeleteFuck off, Bernie: you've lost. Maybe you and Paylin can get an Internet channel together. Asshole.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, you need do more research on the Cabinet story. Jake Tapper linked to a reporter's opinion that Sanders will want to have veto power on Clinton's Cabinet picks. This statement did NOT come from Sanders or his campaign. This is a reporter what he thinks Sanders will do. Geez, give me a break! Now, will you post this in your comments section or correct it?
ReplyDelete@4:51
Delete"This blog is dedicated to finding the truth..."
Let's wait and watch.
Blocked all my comments today. They weren't pro Hillary enough apparently, ahem. Will see about this one.
DeleteIn addition I saw this morning a video interview by Kristin Welker for MSNBC where Sanders explained in detail...over and over again to the reporter...that messy was the nature of democracy. He said nothing indicating a level of 1968 in Chicago. He did not walk anything back, just explained what he said and meant, and kept correcting the reporter as she tried to stretch the statements. Seriously, this site along with the comments are looking more like World Net Daily every day. A spirited debate is good, and there is nothing this primary that was more excessive than 2008...remember the PUMAs. As for Sanders not being a real Democrat, I strongly recommend EJ Dionne's book "Why the Right Went Wrong". Mainstream Democrats today such as Clinton (both) and Schultz would be considered Eisenhower Republicans back in the day. As the right shifted right the left filled the middle gap. So enough of this crap about Sanders having no right about running as a Democrat. He's just running as a mainstream one from back when the Democrats were actually progressive. Education is an amazing thing...
DeleteEdited my comments? Really? So much for a forum for free exchange of ideas for progressives. Like I said, more like WND every day. Shame.
Delete"We don't need no education; we don't need no self control...just another brick in the wall." -- Pink Floyd
Delete“There have been a lot of meetings over the past 48 hours about what color plate do we deliver Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s head on,” said one pro-Clinton Democratic senator.
ReplyDeleteA senior Senate Democratic aide said, “There’s a strong sentiment that the current situation is untenable and can only be fixed by her leaving. There’s too much water under the bridge for her to be a neutral arbiter.”
Another Democratic senator who supports Clinton said Wasserman Schultz will hurt her chances of rallying the liberal base in the fall.
“We need to get this figured out and come together,” said the lawmaker. “Hillary’s got the nomination. She needs Bernie’s energy. It’s time for her to accommodate. It’s time to pick hard-nosed people to cut through things and figure out a deal."
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281147-dems-discuss-dropping-wasserman-schultz
Who does he think he is? He didn't even get enough votes. Talk about what the voters want...
ReplyDelete@5:03
DeleteWhat do you think these people want from Hillary?
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/05/23/heres-the-full-list-of-companies-organizations-that-paid-hillary-clinton-from-2013-2015/
Anonymous5:28 PM,
DeleteYou realize that what you are suggetsing is illegal? You realize that if there were ANY evidence of pay to play that she would be in jail? Did you ever think that people pay to hear someone speak because they have something interesting to say? The venom just keeps on coming.
@5:56
Delete"people pay to hear someone speak because they have something interesting to say?"
Then release the transcripts so all of America can share in the "interesting" uplifting joyous musings Hillary has to share at 250k a pop.
Dang,now I feel shortchanged.
6:18 I don't want her transcripts but where are Bernie the Great's taxes? Oh, right. No one cares because he's finished. #loser
DeleteWow, he's gone from 'the real deal' to bonafide turd in the punchbowl. He's either delusional or more full of himself than Trump. Elections have consequences, Bernie. You don't get to co-govern with or issue directives to the person who actually wins. Now get off our lawn.
ReplyDeletePlease get off the FeelTheBern sign in my yard.
DeleteIt's private property.
No good enough, 5:54 PM, unless you sit on your front steps and take a hose to 'em. :)
DeleteIt Isn't Bernie Sanders' Job To Unite The Democratic Party | "It's not his job to unite the party. It's the party's job to give Sanders supporters a reason to be part of it."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bustle.com/articles/162889-it-isnt-bernie-sanders-job-to-unite-the-democratic-party
Typical of the do-nothing irresponsible firebaggers. Nothing is ever their fault or responsibility. It's a good thing there are sane paragmatic progressives to clean up their shit and that of the do-nothing irresponsible teabaggers.
DeleteIt's certainly not his job to divide it, and that's all he's capable of.
DeleteHRC doesn't need his input on anything.
ReplyDeleteShe's got all the angles covered already!
COMMENTARY ~ May 24, 2016
Hillary Clinton · Opinion
If I Could Be Just Completely Honest For A
Second, I Believe Exactly What You Believe
"[I]t’s time someone provided you with the unvarnished truth about how I’ve always put my full support behind the very same causes you support, and refuse to rest until I eradicate or reform the things you oppose."
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/if-i-could-be-just-completely-honest-second-i-beli-52979
You don't need a weatherman to
know which way the wind blows.
http://i.imgur.com/4lIqvD4.gif
Are there any Democrats running for Bernie's Senate seat? If so I think as a loyal Democrat I will have to send them some money.
ReplyDeleteNow there's an id ea I can get behind. I will go donate to a any Democrat who is challenging him.
DeleteYes! The Democrats are going to primary Bernie. Follow Al Giordano. He's organizing already for Bernie's seat. Either he will run or he will step away for a better candidate. He's run 25 campaigns and has strong receipts in Vermont.
Delete@anon 7:53 pm
DeleteThanks for the info.
I hope the DNC doesn't cave to Bernie's blackmail. "Give me what I want or suffer the consequences!"
ReplyDeleteWhat's he going to do? Not name a post office after President Hillary Clinton?
DeleteBut, but, but...Bernie isn't even a Democrat!
ReplyDeleteA "reporter" is saying Sanders wants a say. Is there a direct quote or someone's pipe dream to continue the drama?
ReplyDeletePardon me if I missed something and, that being said, if he's going full bore madman to equate Trump's lunacy, then I'm out and won't let the door hit me where the Good Lord split me.
All to replace what cannot be replaced....
@6:44
DeleteKinda like all the "reports" of chairs being thrown in NV.
Or the 12yr.girl who had her Hillary signed grabbed and torn up.
All bullshit.
Huh. Death threats on tape in NV not bad enough for you bozos...
DeleteFull of FACTS:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/hints-for-sanders-and-less-earthbound-enthusiasts_b_10057430.html
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/bernie_insults_voters_he_must_drop_notion_that_everyone_who_disagrees_with_him_is_corrupt_or_a_dupe/
DeleteHe is the #1 Duped....
Nobody is an angel here. Anyone running for President has a tough exterior and a massive ego. Now the only thing that separates the contenders is who is willing to leave a legacy of less wars and improvement for the middle class.
ReplyDeleteNot for the good of us mind you but for the good of their legacy.At least Hillary Clinton will think things through.Trump is just a power hungry player playing a game that he really does not want to win.
The most powerful Country in the world is on the brink of losing it's position to a low class braggart with no political experience. As far as i am concerned Bernie Sanders is not thinking about the welfare of the United States. He can't win so he ought to put all his energy into who is next best and push his ego aside. Leave your ego at the door Bernie and see reality.
Bernie has a right as an American to campaign all he wants to campaign.
DeleteWhy do y'all want to crush the soul of the Bernie supporters? I would be very disappointed if Bernie didn't see this through to the convention.
Should Bernie have campaigned as an Independent and really messed things up for us? He has ALWAYS hung out with the Dems.
I can hear Hillary now on the old man's wanting to dictate cabinet members - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
ReplyDeleteWTF. The poor old man isn't even a Democrat. I hope they tell him to put it where the sun doesn't shine. He's been an independent for forever. Just signed on as a Democrat a few months ago. He's a pie in the sky prostitute. Great ideas that can't be paid for and will never happen. I've been more than a little shocked at the number of his followers. Can't help but wonder how they think all his grand delusions would ever get paid for.
ReplyDeleteEVERYTHING he promises will never be done.
DeleteElizabeth Warren Has Had It With Donald Trump
ReplyDeleteSen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), amplifying her her recent attacks on Donald Trump, admonished the presumptive GOP presidential nominee in a no-holds-barred speech on Tuesday, calling him “a small, insecure money-grubber who doesn’t care who gets hurt.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-donald-trump_us_5744dc38e4b03ede441335ca
Young Republicans Chairwoman Resigns Over Trump – Here’s The AMAZING Reason Why (IMAGES)
ReplyDeletehttp://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/24/young-republicans-chairwoman-resigns-over-trump-heres-the-amazing-reason-why-images/
https://m.facebook.com/notes/katrina-elaine-j%C3%B8rgensen/resigning-as-communications-chair-from-yrnf/10155923659836515
If Trump wins the presidency he should pay for a trip to Moscow for the Sanders as a thank you for handing the election to Trump.
ReplyDeleteDoes Sanders really care about the Democratic Party? Sanders is playing the unwinnable scorched earth primary election game to the end.
ReplyDeleteSanders is playing to the last second and so what if he can't win and is destroying Clinton's chance of winning the presidency by building up hate against her and is giving Trump sound bites against her.
What does Sanders owe the Democratic Party?
Hillary uses sound bits from other Republicans against Drumpf.
DeleteWhy do you have so little faith in Hillary that you object to her opponent using strategies that the old girl uses, herself?
This is a game of Political Battleship. Hillary has sunk enough of Sanders ships that he has no chance of winning the Democratic Party primaries and she has moved on and focused on going after Trump's ships. Meanwhile as Hillary's ships are advancing forward to the General Election, Sanders ships are sneaking up behind Hillary's ships and sinking her ships from behind with friendly fire for no apparent reason since he can't beat Hillary.
ReplyDeleteAre you trying to characterize a man campaigning his heart out as a murderer?
DeleteSanders got his picks on the platform committee. The contract is signed (in blood, with the devil). It's over. Sanders was amazing, a breath of fresh air while it lasted. He brought a lot of issues to the forefront we never would have discussed. Nobody thought he'd get this far. But it's over. Time to start picking up the pieces and move on to the real contest
ReplyDeleteClinton versus Trump
Sen Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) why wasn't Burlington College tuition free?
ReplyDeleteBernie why did Burlington College pay your wife $200,000 to leave and then went under?
Bernie why did young college students give you their money for you to win the New York primaries but instead you left during the New York primaries, took their money and chartered a 767 to Rome to give a 10 minute speech and ended up losing New York?
BERNIE SANDERS YOU SUCK
Why did Jane sanders create a woodworking program and then hire her daughter's woodworking school to run it (paying her a pile of money from Burlington College's ailing budget)?
DeleteFunny, Bernie never was a Democrat before. He was an Independent Socialist. Now he wants to set the agenda for a party he just joined in order to run for president?
ReplyDeleteBernie caucuses with the Democrats and always has...
DeleteAttack his message; don't attack his loyalty to American progressives.
I think that the power of speaking to thousands of cheering fans must ultimately go to a person's head. Bernie got a surprisingly favorable response that must have gone to his head. I can hear that line from Sally Fields, "You like me, you really LIKE me!"
ReplyDeleteIt went to Mitt Romney's head so that he thought that he was going to win, no matter what the polls said. He had no concession speech; he was that sure that he would win. Even now, he still can't get the roar of the crowd out of his ears. It must be pretty heady stuff to have all those microphones thrust in your face, people hanging on your every word, and the media capturing every moment.
Bernie may have started out to give voice to his strong feelings, and now he believes that he should be a candidate. After all, if he runs, the polls say that he could beat Trump. The problem is that Hillary has been a long time Democrat who knows how to put an organization together in each key state. She can tap into a group of experts who can draft policy positions for her. Bernie may have run for the Senate, but Hillary has been down this road before, both with her husband and in 2008. It was good when he and Hillary debated each other, bringing out the best in each other. But now it has gone too far, and Bernie can't reach the magic number. The problem is knowing when it is time to swallow a little pride and join forces with her to make a strong, unified party-- a party that he never belonged to.
The reason why he "wins" against trump in the poles is because there has been little to no opposition advertisement or comments on his record, his personal life, his history, and his ideas. All we have seen are snippets of his stump speech and his adoring cultish fans. If he wins this, the whole world will learn what Trumps folks and Hillary's folks already know. He's a lazy, one issue old fart who has NO business near the White House except as a visitor.
Delete'You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away..." - do we need to get ole Kenny to sing it for ya, Bernie?
ReplyDeleteOnly one thing will make the DNC convention messy and that's this manic ego driven lunatic's desire to make it so.
ReplyDeleteBernie and his supporters are assholes. He should have no say. I was at rally in Ricerside yesterday and his suppoertrrs are the rudest people I have encountered in a long while. Simply a reflection of the man they support.
ReplyDelete@5:27
DeleteI call bullshit.
Why would you go if your mind is obviously made up?