I don't always agree with Sarah Silverman on everything, and don't always laugh at her jokes, but at least she is being a grown up and realized what is at stake in this election.And if that day comes when Bernie is officially no longer an option, I will cast a less inspired but fully confident vote for Hillary.— Sarah Silverman (@SarahKSilverman) May 7, 2016
It seems that lately there are TOO many folks on the Bernie of Bust bandwagon, and that is simply a recipe for disaster.
Why must you call Sanders supporters "petulant children"? And you wonder why you're alienating some people with your full throttle support of Clinton. Must you be so divisiveness?
ReplyDeleteYOU are forgetting that Gryphen was very excited about Bernie Sanders but was then turned off of Bernie Sanders himself. Gryphen didn't choose Hillary Clinton as much as UNchoose Bernie Sanders.
DeleteLike so many of us did.
Must you be so devisiveness?? Really?? Must you be so illiterateness?
DeleteRight, IM's are leaping from the fold in a case where the new GOP ticket is as horrifying as what unified us in 2008? Bernie is a flight of fancy, an indulgence, he's as old hat in Washington as McCain, and you want us to surrender 4 years to a Male Sarah on principle for a no-accomplished grump? Bernie is not going to happen. At best, he can inspire a left Tea Party that will muck up the establishment for Hillary's 8 years if you are that inspired.
DeleteLOL, "divisiveness"! Even I have to laugh at that one. No, that is the computer picking the word it wanted and me not being smart enough to re-read it. Anyway, I agree with everyone's replies - even that I'm illiterate - but Hillary will need to unite America and I think that discussion begins with us. I'm just (gently I hope) pointing out that this blog has, on occasion, a militant tone that denigrates anyone who still supports Sanders as a "petulant child". It's your blog, use the tone you want, but sometimes solutions begin at home, with the words we choose to use in our daily discussions.
DeleteBecause they are. If they weren't they would realize that Gryphen was refering to the Bernie-or-bust supporters, not all supporters, and not post petulant comments.
DeleteI have to wonder if some of these people are Republicans trying to divide Democrats. They make no sense.
ReplyDeleteI believe so. Divide and conquer. Sometimes they slip up by parroting a RW meme, something that no Democrat would ever say.
DeleteI'm sure many of them are Republicans.
DeleteHowever, many of them are democrats bringing up Monica Lewinsky, drooling over Clinton's emails, and making lists of the Clinton's "scandals."
Socialist President Bernie Sanders became popular for saying things he did not deliver because he died of old age while in office.
ReplyDeleteBasically Sanders is the Democratic Socialist Independent Party Senator from Vermont wannabe presidential candidate version of the Republican Party presidential nominee Donald Trump who will say and promise everything they can't deliver so they can get votes to get elected president of the United States of America.
Sanders says he will get free college for everyone, $15 minimum wage for everyone, put a shiny new coal stove in everyone's house to put all the West Virginia coal workers back to work, give away pots of gold at the end of a rainbow for everyone and a partridge in a pearl tree for everybody in the United States of America if he is elected POTUS.
Hey if Bernie Santa can deliver all that, Sanders has my vote too.
But I live on planet earth and realize that this 74 year old - 25 year Independent Party politician from Vermont who just recently switched political parties is at the end of his road and eventually his wife's excuse when her president husband failed to do everything he said he would do is because he died in the White House of old age within the first year of his presidency.
Now the American taxpayers has to shell out a lot of money for a presidential funeral after recently wasting lots of money on Sanders' inaugural parade and pay for his wife's yearly president's death benefits until she dies sometime in around 25 years.
If we give Bernie Sanders $2,000,000 to go away just like Burlington College gave Jane Sanders $200,000 to go away, will Bernie Sanders and his wife go away?
The reason I was never going to vote for him is because he has done nothing for 25 years except grow old. He's a non-achiever who doesn't even have any support in congress. He wouldn't even get an interview for the job of POTUS- I don't care how many frat boys and political radials support him.
DeleteIt isn't so much that Bernie Sanders "changed" parties in 2015 as he JOINED a political party in 2015. He is a neophyte to party politics, having shielded himself from competition in his home state from both national parties.
DeleteWhat amazes me is that Bernie Sanders obviously never paid any attention to presidential primary races in all of his 74 years. I'm 72 and I learned a lot about national politics from my parents when I was a child: my father was active in the UAW and both my parents were active in the Democratic Party. At the age of eight, I attended my first political party rally and saw former Pres. Truman at an area whistle stop. Before the conventions were televised my parents listened on the radio. After the mess of 1968 the primary elections were restructured and we have the compromise mess of today. It needs to be honed (with many fewer televised debates among wannabes) but it basically works. That's democracy in action. It's messy. If Bernie Sanders had ever paid attention he would know that.
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VT Digger confirmed the nefarious role played by Jane Sanders, noting that she “overstated donation amounts in a bank application for a $6.7 million loan that was used by the college to purchase a prime 33-acre property on Lake Champlain in 2010.” Jane Sanders “resigned under pressure from the Burlington College board of trustees nearly a year after obtaining the multi-million dollar loan,” the site reported. “After both sides lawyered up, the board gave Sanders the title of president emeritus and a $200,000 severance package.”
DeleteA Republican activist named Skip Vallee produced a 60-second television advertisement entitled, “Bernie’s Golden Parachute,” describing the nature of the $200,000 severance package and making the point that while Sanders was planning a presidential run “on a theme of railing against golden parachutes and excesses” on Wall Street, he took “his own golden parachute” through his wife’s curious dealings with the cash-strapped college.
The ad features the “S” in Sanders in the shape of a dollar sign and shows Sanders saying the rich in America “manipulate a rigged system” and benefit from “golden parachutes.”
On top of this scandal, The Washington Free Beacon has reported that Senator Sanders used campaign money to benefit members of his family, and that Jane Sanders directed six-figure sums from Burlington College to her daughter and the son of a family friend.
“Getting money out of politics” is one of the planks in Sanders’ presidential campaign platform.
I heard that he also was at Donald Trump's wedding to melania!
DeleteIf we have to move to Canada because they can't live in the real world, the berniebros should be forced to live in trump world.
ReplyDeleteSilverman's view is no doubt shared by a majority of Sanders' supporters. The continued disparagement of Sanders and his supporters here and in other media outlets has done much to antagonize voters who have the right to support whomever they wish for as long as they wish. Bullying Sanders supporters will not result in a moment of sudden clarity on their part.
ReplyDeleteSupport for Trump is not the same as support for Sanders.
Trump is not a backlash against a do nothing congress. His support is the culmination of years of television and talk radio hate speech, racism, bigotry, and contempt for anyone who may be considered "the other." Whereas other candidates have used code to denigrate others, Trump dispenses with the code words and gets right to it.
Sanders supporters believe there's a better way of doing business. Priorities need to be re-evaluated. He's not about free stuff. He's about a renaissance in the way we tax and spend in this nation and who benefits.
One candidate taps into hope, another into anger.
For me Trump is a typical republican, only without his makeup on. Sanders is a guy with some policy ideas a weak-kneed Democratic party needs to listen to.
Yes, I'll vote for Hillary. She may turn out to be a great president. If that is the case, I will be effusive in my enthusiasm and support and proud to say I misjudged her.
Go and look at the footage of your tender-hearted Sanders supporters attacking women and frightening children, THEN come back here and whine.
DeleteDisparagement? HA!!!
Well stated.
Delete5:23, the majority of people at East LA were there to protest her role in the overthrow in Honduras not Sanders supporters. Local media reported that. No one was "attacked". The idea that free speech ends where it conflicts with your candidate is pure bullshit. Women and children who are frightened of loud voices, crowds, horses, and banners aren't ready for political events. The thing you Clinton supporters should be asking is why your candidate invokes as much outrage in people as Trump.
DeleteAttendees as a Clinton speech were forced, when they left, to walk down a gauntlet of screaming protestors.
DeleteIf I were there with my children this would be a lesson about how not to persuade others. I would be pointing out the ones shouting "Bernie! Bernie!" and reminding my children of how positive the Clinton rally had been.
I would be pointing to the ones shouting "Fuck you! Fuck you!" and asking my children if they feel like they want to be part of whatever group was doing the protesting.
There were plenty of Sanders supporters there shouting at children.
DeleteThe antagonizing and "bullying" goes both ways. I've been called a shill and a low information voter because I prefer Hillary Clinton. Somehow, this didn't result in a moment of clarity on my part.
Delete"Bullying" on national blogs is an impossible concept. One is usually anonymous. One doesn't know the other posters. One does not see the other posters outside said blog. Participation in the blog is in no way a part of required social or communal life.
DeleteIn short, take yourself and your feefees to whatever safe stroking space your infantilism requires, and let the adults continue the discussion.
I might agree with your view of Sanders IF he had spent his time in Congress accomplishing (or at least proposing) great things. He's had 25 years through four different administrations and what great progressive legislation has he ushered through to law?
DeleteI am grateful that he has nudged the discussions and party policies leftward, but I KNOW what Clinton has accomplished as a Senator (for my state) and Secretary of State, and I trust her to keep this country on the right track.
"One candidate taps into hope, another into anger. "
DeleteIn Sanders' supporters' eyes, it didn't do Barack Obama much good to tap into hope. They don't think he accomplished much. As for not tapping into anger, I disagree. Both Trump and Sanders supporters are tapping into anger.
5:52 You lie. They wore Sanders T-shirts and their signs had nothing to do with Honduras.
ReplyDeleteBut nice try.
I'd like to hear Sanders supporters condemn the harassing & bullying of children that is being done at Clinton events by people wearing Bernie shirts and holding Bernie signs. I'd like for them to rise up to stop the attacks.
ReplyDeleteAll right, then. I condemn the harassment and bullying. Seriously.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/california-high-school-claims-muslim-student-identified-as-isis-in-yearbook-was-a-misprint/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/professor-math-terrorist-flight-delay_us_572e41e6e4b016f3789617f7
DeleteThis reporter/ pundit predicts that Newt Gingrich will be Trump's VP and that Sanders will not endorse HRC: https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/729327215003852800
ReplyDeleteHere's her prediction on Trump-Gingrich - https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/729344655058329600
ReplyDeleteThis is what I've been saying all along, but it's kinda hard when I keep getting called names for supporting Bernie. I'll hold my nose and vote for her and her, "we just gotta settle motto".
ReplyDeleteIt's not a "we just gotta settle motto". Maybe if you didn't continually and deliberately mischaracterize her level headed incremental progress for "we just gotta settle", you wouldn't be called names.
Deletea large number of Americans think Hillary Clinton would be a disaster. Her supporters have become nasty, she has turned off independents, and they are taking Trump too lightly. Bad idea to nominate a candidate with such high negative ratings and such a bad history. I will never vote for her I don't care who she is running against.
ReplyDeleteThen you are part of the problem, IMHO.
DeleteHER supporters have become nasty? So we are just supposed to read the nasty misogynistic names and lies that are continually written about her and not respond? Have you SEEN what she is called by many of the Bernie supporters?? It's disgusting.
DeleteBernie's Golden Parachute
ReplyDelete(Huh? But Bernie is against Golden Parachutes.)
https://youtu.be/Lvyuoh_eU1s
If we give Bernie Sanders $200,000 to go away just like Burlington College gave Jane Sanders $200,000 to go away, will Bernie Sanders go away?
DeleteThe Hill:
ReplyDeleteMay 08, 2016 - 07:00 AM EDT
Dem convention host: Sanders supporters better 'behave themselves' when he loses
“I think it’s gonna be a great convention, but of course the key to it is the Sanders people. Bernie’s gonna have his name placed in nomination; we’re gonna have a roll call; there’s gonna be a demonstration in support of Bernie; he’s gonna lose the roll call,” he said. “His supporters have to behave and not cause trouble. And I think they will, and I think Sen. Sanders will send them a strong message.”
Sanders is trailing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton by 774 total delegates. Clinton is just 155 delegates from clinching the nomination.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279136-democratic-national-convention-chair-sanders-supporters-better#
Bernie Sanders Revolution is to politics as the TEA Party Revolution was to America in 1978.
ReplyDeleteThe TEA Party just faded away. How often have we heard the term TEA Party in recent years?
Just now
DeleteHillary Clinton wins Guam caucus
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton won the Democratic presidential caucus in Guam on Saturday with about 60 percent support to Bernie Sanders' 40 percent. The Democratic frontrunner leads the Vermont senator by roughly 300 pledged delegates. Neither candidate visited the Western Pacific
http://theweek.com/5things/623181/donald-trump-calls-minimum-wage-increase
Clinton supporters have to understand that they have one vote. Everyone has one vote to use however THEY chose to. I accept that people vote the way they want to. You have to accept that I won't vote for Hillary, not because Sanders lost but because I dislike her at such a high level I was never going to vote for her now or in 2008. Respect one man one vote. My vote is not your choice.
ReplyDeleteMeh, go vote for Trump or Dr(!) Jill Stein or stay home. Nobody cares. If you're a lost cause, you can simply ignore anyone trying to get you to vote for Clinton.
DeleteFuture supreme court appointments mean so little to you that you will not even vote? Egad.
DeleteBefore Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) wins me over, I want to know where did Senator Bernie Sanders get the money from to pay for a round-trip chartered Boeing 767 to fly the senator, his wife, his four children and four grandchildren to Rome. Who paid for room and board for the Sanders, children and grandchildren during their stay in Rome? What reason can the Senator give and explain to us if he used campaign money for his boondoggle?
ReplyDeleteHere's the deal. You can ask him, and he'll tell you the truth. And why is it a boondoggle? Do you think he just flew over and hid in the hallways, waiting to ambush the Pope? He was invited, to a conference on the writings of a previous Pope. A Pope who had the same ideas about helping the less fortunate as Bernie does. Hmm...why do I think he's not going to "win you over" no matter what he does?
DeleteTalk about petulant children. Have you met all of Bernie's supporters? I think not. Your attitude is getting tiresome.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree. This is becoming ridiculous rhetoric. Your brush is too broad, Gryphen. I would vote for my party's candidate no matter which person it is, and I think only a small percentage of Bernie's supporters feel the same way... we all know how very important future Supreme Court appointments are, and no one wants to jeopardize them. Please stop broadly attacking those who currently do not prefer Hillary.
DeleteThank you for your consideration.