Monday, September 19, 2016

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump on gun control.

So CBS News has a new feature where they post the policy positions of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump on various issues.

I think that is very helpful and cuts through a lot of ridiculous rhetoric and circus like atmosphere of this political season.

Today's topic is gun control, which just so happens to be one of my top concerns.

First up Hillary Clinton: “I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets,” Clinton said in June. “We may have our disagreements on gun safety regulations, but we should all be able to agree on a few things.”

Here are her proposals: 

Clinton advocates for “common sense gun laws” 

She wants to expand background checks 

She is pushing for comprehensive background check legislation, which would include banning all domestic abusers or the severely mentally ill from buying or possessing guns. 

She wants “no fly, no buy” policies, which would prohibit people on terror watch lists from gaining access to guns. 

Clinton pledges to close loopholes in existing firearm laws 

She wants to close the “Charleston loophole” which allows a gun sale to proceed without a completed background check if that check is not complete within three days. According to the FBI, it’s how Dylann Roof -- the shooter in Charleston, South Carolina who killed nine parishioners at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church last June -- was able to get his gun. 

She would ask Congress to close the so-called “gun show loophole” and require any person engaging in a high volume of gun sales -- particularly at gun shows and on the internet -- to be held to the same standards as sellers at gun stores.

Clinton would repeal immunity protections for the gun industry 

She would repeal the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which prevents victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns.

I find many of these stances to be pretty courageous considering that they are guaranteed to fire up the NRA and 2nd Amendment types to work against Hillary's campaign.

Now let's see what Donald Trump has to offer:

Trump pledges to defend the Second Amendment 

His campaign website says he would “enforce the laws on the books” 

Trump wants to appoint a justice to the Supreme Court that would also uphold the Second Amendment 

Trump is open to “no fly, no buy” policies (Well that's something at least.)

In a “Face the Nation” interview in June, Trump said he was open to “no fly, no buy” policies to prevent people on terror watch lists from buying firearms, in a seeming break from his party. Of discussions with the NRA, Trump said “I’m talking to them about the whole concept of terror watch lists. Should we take somebody directly off it -- if there is a terror watch list and if somebody is on, should they be allowed to buy a gun? Now, we understand there are problems with that, because some people are on the terror watch list that shouldn’t be on. You understand that. And that’s happened. Maybe you can reverse it.” 

Trump wants to expand mental health treatment programs 

He wants to create a “national right to carry” 

Trump believes concealed carry permits should be valid in all 50 states. 

His campaign website says that “a driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state.” (The hell it is!)

Trump would get rid of gun-free zones (Oh shit!)

Under a Trump administration, military bases and recruiting centers that are now “gun-free zones” would allow the use of firearms. 

Trump would do the same for schools. After Oregon’s Umpqua Community College shooting where nine people were killed last October, Trump suggested that the outcome would have been better if teachers had been equipped with firearms. “It was a gun-free zone,” Trump said at a rally shortly after the shooting​. “I will tell you -- if you had a couple of the teachers or somebody with guns in that room, you would have been a hell of a lot better off.” 

He would enforce existing laws. (The President actually explained why this does not happen:"One of the most frustrating things that I hear is when people say -- who are opposed to any further laws -- 'Why don't you just enforce the laws that are on the books?'" Obama said. "And those very same members of Congress then cut (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) budgets to make it impossible to enforce the law.")

So does this mean that Trump is planning to override the GOP led Congress and force them to increase the budgets for these law endorcement agencies so they can do their jobs more effectively? Of course not.

I am not a single issue voter by any measure, but if I were this would likely be one of the issues at the top of my list. And after seeing these two compared side by side, there is no doubt who I would vote for in a heartbeat. 


  1. Anonymous1:43 PM

    The ammosexuals will only believe Hillary wants to overturn the 2nd amendment. They are blind to any reason. I applaud CBS more doing this kind of presentation. I just hope that between now and the election, the news media will start exposing Trump for the crazed demogogue that he is. Certainly they must realize that if he is elected, their very livlihoods are at risk.

    1. Anonymous3:39 PM

      I won't even visit the pee puddle anymore for grins and giggles. They are off the rails the closer November 8th gets.

    2. Anonymous7:20 PM

      They have no problem with Trump overturning the first amendment as long as they get to keep their guns.

    3. 66gardeners7:51 AM

      Hell, I love going to the pee pond to understand how to engage those people, using their own rhetoric against republicans when I engage them in debates. I already know what they believe and can have an argument at the ready of why they are idiots.

  2. Anonymous1:51 PM

    Exclusive: New survey shows just 3% of American adults own half of guns in the US, as part of most definitive portrait of gun ownership in decades

    1. Keep posting this. Important information.

    2. Anonymous5:04 PM

  3. Anonymous1:57 PM

    Fear of Other People Is Now the Primary Motivation for American Gun Ownership, a Landmark Survey Finds

    A momentous shift in what kinds of firearms Americans are owning — and why — has huge implications for public health.

    ...The survey findings illustrate a sharp cultural shift in American gun ownership patterns. As recently as two decades ago, the last time a survey of this magnitude and accuracy was conducted, the primary reason people cited for keeping guns at home was for recreation, which includes hunting or sports shooting.

    Gun violence researchers say the rise in handgun ownership has public health consequences.

    Studies have found that people who live in homes with handguns are twice as likely to take their life compared to those who live in homes with other types of firearms, such as shotguns and rifles. (Seniors are the population at the highest risk of using a handgun in a fatal suicide attempt.)

    Domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun, research shows.

  4. Anonymous2:00 PM

    NRA’s Ted Nugent Unleashes Disgusting Attack On ‘Pathetic’ Unarmed Mass-Stabbing Victims (SCREENSHOTS)

    1. Anonymous3:16 PM

      Well, well well, look who's crawled out from under the slime. No comment on the NYC bombings, Ted? NFL players kneeling for the national anthem?

      Of course not. America has always been a cesspool to him and he urinates on the flag.

    2. Anonymous5:10 PM

  5. Sunny Schlampe2:00 PM

    Gun control and preserving women's right to choose are the most important issues in this election. We cannot go back to the 50s or before.

  6. Anonymous2:17 PM

    As soon as one of his cage attendants tells Trump to say otherwise he will say otherwise.

  7. Anonymous3:24 PM

    Article 1, Section 3.

    tRumpy needs to be asked about his understanding of this vital part of the original Constitution, which pre-dates all amendments by a few years, in relation to militias and what they are for as per the words of the Founding Fathers.

    .....To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

  8. Anonymous3:29 PM

    I'm worried about drunks with bad tempers who are suicidal. One day they will snap and kill everybody in his household and then put the barrel under his chin.

    1. Anonymous3:43 PM

      They do not have to be drunks. Just egos like Trump. They steal.

    2. Anonymous3:46 PM

      Don't piss him off Toad. Then again .....

  9. Anonymous3:44 PM

    Did Donald and or his father had their apartment employees put a C on apartment applications? No, C on an application doesn't mean Confidential. Isn't that a form of profiling?

    If a Mexican Americans looks and sounds like they should be on the other side of Trump Wall, the law should demand their neighbors say "Papers please"?

    What about Americans with the name Barack Hussain?

    Can European women who passes the Trump test automatically get a Green Card?

    Washington Post
    Donald Trump calls profiling Muslims ‘common sense

    After doubling down on his proposal to ban some immigrants by including those from countries with a history of terrorism, Donald Trump is now doubling down on another controversial idea in the wake of the Orlando massacre: profiling Muslims already in the United States.


  10. Anonymous3:59 PM


    While Donald is afraid of his Mexican employees he offended

    Donald Trump Only Eats on The First Floor Because He’s Afraid He’ll Get Pushed From Upstairs
    by Dana Eisen

    ..... Donald Trump Only Eats on .... Apparently, Trump refuses to eat upstairs. Sietsema continued, “For security reasons, he adds, the mogul didn’t venture higher, out of concern that someone might push him.”

    Um, what? Paranoid much?.....

  11. Anonymous4:14 PM

    Is there anybody Donald hasn't offended?

    Answer is YES

    Putin and the entire country of Russia

  12. Anonymous5:07 PM

    Will someone please define "severely mentally ill" and how a patient's right to privacy would be protected under this "what the people want to hear" proposal?

    It is the intent to commit suicide that leads the person to the gun. The presence of a gun in the house does not create the suicidal trance.

    There are three issues here. One is gun control. One is mental health. One is domestic violence.

    How anyone believes that putting someone on a no fly list will keep that person from getting a gun is a fool, or a candidate who will say anything necessary to get elected.

  13. Anita Winecooler5:14 PM

    The deplorable Donald Trump suggested Hillary have her bodyguards drop their guns and "see what happens". You first, Donald, you first.

    1. Anonymous6:20 PM

      If he's worried about being assassinated, he should be. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing.

  14. Anonymous6:57 PM

    That's all well and good as long as you use their quotes from interviews etc. Asking Trump for his position on anything just gets you a mouthful of blabber aimed to please whoever he thinks the audience is. The more broad the audience the less he actually says.

    Now they should do the first amendment. Because Trump is *really* against the first amendment. And not only for the media. He is against it for everyone.

  15. Anonymous7:06 PM

    Yeah Donald you are presidential material

    Trump insulted "The Blacks", Mexicans, Women, Handicap

    But if you are Alt-right, Nazi, KKK, inbred, who am I missing... Oh Slovenian, Russian and Scottish then you are okay.

  16. Anonymous3:46 AM

    It is good if news outlets post and discuss policy positions and tell people where to find the campaign websites.

    1. Anonymous7:08 AM

      Here we go again with the bullshit.
      Umpqua College was NOT a gun free zone. As a matter of fact, people who were carrying that day on campus were scared shitless that the cops might end up shooting them. So they hid and did nothing.
      Not to disparage those people. They were quite right.
      Just goes to show you what a joke that statement is.

  17. 66gardeners7:48 AM

    Is it wrong that I wish all gun violence be perpetrated against 2nd amendment remedy believers? Wouldn't that be the natural selection of evolution anyway?


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