Friday, March 17, 2017

The Independent Network Charismatic is the new Moral Majority, and they have ties to Rick Perry, Sarah Palin and Donald Trump.

Courtesy of The Conversation:

INC Christianity is led by a network of popular independent religious entrepreneurs, often referred to as “apostles.” They have close ties, we found, to conservative U.S. politicians, including Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry and more recently President Donald Trump. 

Charismatic Christians emphasize supernatural miracles and divine interventions, but INC Christianity is different from other charismatics – and other Christian denominations in general – in the following ways:
  • It is not focused primarily on building congregations but rather on spreading beliefs and practices through media, conferences and ministry schools. 
  • It is not so much about proselytizing to unbelievers as it is about transforming society through placing Christian believers in powerful positions in all sectors of society. 
  • It is organized as a network of independent leaders rather than as formally organized denominations.
INC Christianity is the fastest-growing Christian group in America and possibly around the world. Over the 40 years from 1970 to 2010, the number of regular attenders of Protestant churches as a whole shrunk by an average of .05 percent per year, while independent neo-charismatic congregations (a category in which INC groups reside) grew by an average of 3.24 percent per year. 

Its impact, however, is much greater than can be measured in church attendance. This is because INC Christianity is not centrally concerned with building congregations, but spreading beliefs and practices.

Apparently this group has been making millions through seminars, web sales, book sales, music sales, and DVD sales.

And they have been using that money to spread influence.

Most Christian groups in America have seen the role of the church as connecting individuals to God through the saving grace of Jesus and building congregations that provide communities of meaning and belonging through worship services. They also believe in serving and providing for the needs their local communities. Such traditional Christian groups believe that although the world can be improved, it will not be restored to God’s original plan (until Jesus comes back again to rule the Earth).

INC beliefs, however, are different – their leaders are not content simply to connect individuals to God and grow congregations. Most INC Christian groups we studied seek to bring heaven or God’s intended perfect society to Earth by placing “kingdom-minded people” in powerful positions at the top of all sectors of society. 

I will assume that at this point many of you are starting to get a familiar feeling as to where this is all going.

INC leaders have labeled them the “seven mountains of culture.” These include business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion. In this form of “trickle-down Christianity,” they believe if Christians rise to the top of all seven “mountains,” society will be completely transformed.


If you are not yet familiar with the Seven Mountains mandate, then you must be new here as we have talked about it multiple times.

In short:

Seven Mountains dominionism seeks to place Christians in control over the seven forces that shape and control our culture: (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion. The reason for this, as Lance Wallnau, the leading advocate for Seven Mountains theology, explained is that Jesus “doesn’t come back until He’s accomplished the dominion of nations.” And the way “dominion of nations” is accomplished is by having Christians gain control of these “seven mountains” in order to install a “virtual theocracy” overseen by “true apostles” who will fight Satan and his Antichrist agenda.

This same philosophy has turned up in a number of religious organizations, and was especially impactful during the Bush Administration.

Sarah Palin is of course an adherent as are many other highly placed politicians, many now it seems working for and with Donald Trump.

Now does the Muslim travel ban make a little more sense?

Currently we are seeing church attendance in America hitting all time lows, but this group does not care about congregations, their goal is to put true believers in positions of great power, and apparently they are succeeding.

So yes Sarah Palin maybe yesterday's news but those who helped to foist her upon us, are getting closer to their ultimate goal everyday.


  1. Anonymous4:06 AM

    Some good old tar and feathers will help them.

    1. Anonymous5:38 AM

      I always wonder... if the Bible says the rise of the antichrist is the precursor to the return of Jesus and his glorious 1000 year reign, why are "Christians" always trying to stop it?

    2. Anonymous7:45 AM


      HA HA HA HA! Damn, good one!

    3. Anonymous11:53 AM

      Christians that I have spoke to says they welcome it. They have no fear. And there is always evil lurking and trying to fight justice, fairness and truth. And some say they wear sheep clothing.

    4. Anonymous12:17 PM

      You have a religious private school background, don't you?

    5. 5:38

      Actually, I think they are trying to hurry it along.

      Seems like most of what they do is designed to bring on the End of Days.

  2. Anonymous4:07 AM

    Fu^ked up con artist suck.

  3. Anonymous4:09 AM

    May the Earth shake them to their bony knees today and the Sea wash them to their miserable failed fate tomorrow.

    1. Anonymous4:36 AM

      So, you're commanding natural disasters now?
      You know they're NOT target specific, and kill innocent people along with the guilty sinners?

    2. Anonymous11:48 AM

      Maybe they should start by mowing their own back yard.

    3. Anonymous11:50 AM

      And so 4.36 you seem to know them well? Was that a threat? Do they like to threaten innocent humans that don't agree with cults?

    4. Anonymous11:58 AM

      "Kill" innocent people along with the guilty sinners? That would mean everyone on earth. Watch out!! There may be a knock on your door. The FBI cybercrime unit may want you to explain that.

    5. Anonymous11:59 AM

      May a 1000 camels fart in their face. Today.

    6. Anonymous12:23 PM

      11:50 & 11:58, one and the same.

      Can you even comprehend one thing you read? Or does it sound in your head the way it does in your comments?
      The FBI will come knock on my door for me to explain to them that natural disasters aren't target specific? BWAHAHAHAHA!
      You're so fucking stupid! You've no idea what a threat sounds like? I don't think you do. No wait, yes you do, you think you have the power to call up earthquakes and tsunamis, maybe the eefa-bee-eye will come a callin' at YOUR address, Fool.

  4. Anonymous4:10 AM

    I smell evil.

    1. Anonymous4:37 AM

      Got THAT right.

  5. Anonymous4:28 AM

    GEE sheriff nano nano, I must have missed this 7 mountains of BS for years now. Sounds like cast offs of the going down scientology cult.

    1. Grey One talks sass4:56 AM

      Not cast offs. They are in the military in positions of authority. They are in our government, our schools. They are here and many have been fighting them for years. The threat to the We the People democracy is real, just as is their need for their Revalations End Times Review and Talent Show.

    2. Anonymous10:25 AM

      It's the Mercers, the DeVos and many other people either pulling Trump's strings from behind the curtain or people he's placed in visible positions of power.

  6. If Jesus were ever to actually return, the bible says he would ally himself with the poor, the sick, the downtrodden, not to be confused with participating in a Dominionist hostile takeover of civilization.

    1. Anonymous5:09 AM


      Jesus himself warned against people like these.

    2. Anonymous7:44 AM

      There's no scientific proof that this Jesus actually ever existed.
      No proof either for the Hebrews who escaped those mean, nasty, bad Egyptians and fled into the 'wilderness'. Not one potshard or rock carved on by what was estimated to be over half a million people who were within 100 mile radius of the starting point for 40 years. Hmmmm.

      We had the technology to bump into the corpse of Autsi and figure out what killed him(not who, though, the trail's too cold), AND that he was infected with Lyme disease to boot. Still no historical archaeological, scientific proof of jesus or too terribly much else in that collection of much translated pieces of desert lore that the Council of Nicaea (all men, all human, none gods) allowed to be called "holy scripture"...
      But ken ham would disagree, and we MUST give his 'opinion' extra weight, too mustn't we?

    3. Anonymous12:47 PM

      Jesus died--'dust to dust'. He's not coming back.

    4. There just a little or actually, very biblically off base.

  7. Anonymous4:37 AM

    I HATE seeing people with their hands in the air like that.
    Looks like the Nazi bellamy salute.

  8. Anonymous4:53 AM

    Always finding new ways to grift. The scum of the earth , like "thinkers", that don't think.

  9. Anonymous4:53 AM

    See !!See!! This just seals the deal for me, that my theory of we humans being an alien race's reality game.
    They bet on how many times we make the same mistakes.
    They bet on how long it takes us to get to a worldwide theocracy.
    Then they come back and turn the game off.

  10. Anonymous4:56 AM

    Let's see if the trump administration takes away their tax free status, it would be a great way to pay for the wall!!!

  11. dlbvet5:43 AM

    Egads. The FIRST thing I read this morning and I'm already nauseous.
    Thanks Gryphen. (That was sort of snark...not meant to harm though.)
    There are more of us than there are of them. I keep telling myself that is an important point.

  12. Anonymous5:53 AM

    Dominionists by any other name

  13. Anonymous5:54 AM

    Jesus “doesn’t come back until He’s accomplished the dominion of nations.”
    Show me in The Bible where it says this, dominionist fools! Here's a hint: IT DOESN'T.

    Quite frankly, any so-called "religion" that holds up the likes of Palin, Trump, and Perry as paragons of virtue is as nutzoid as the Jim Jones/David Koresh/Hale Bopp Comet crowds.

  14. Anonymous6:10 AM

    After reading this, I long for the good old days when the "religious wackos" were content with just bombing abortion clinics.

  15. Grouchodawg7:40 AM

    I think that this group should be called Christianity, Inc., instead.

  16. Why it's our very own Red White and Blue Sharia law!

  17. Anonymous7:46 AM

    Somewhat off-topic: Now it appears as though Dumbkota has hopped onto the grifting bandwagon.

    He's pimiping "Megafit Meals" on his Instagram page.

    1. Anonymous9:32 AM

      Poor barstid has to have something to eat whilst he boozes it up! We all know his 'wife' cant or wont cook.

    2. Anonymous12:15 PM

      A meal prep service. It seems strange, hey, what happened to his heroic planned adventures in rescuing trafficked minor children? Dah was asking for money once or twice and then nothing but crickets. Did Dah throw that cause over in favor of finally getting some food in the house? I guess. You can't eat LV iPhone wristlets and torn up blue jeans.

    3. Anonymous9:35 PM

      Funnier than hell! Oh how the mighty have fallen to become glorified Amway salespeople!

  18. Anonymous7:52 AM

    The Dominionists have won the battle, because those who saw what was happening were too apathetic to stop them.

    It is now up to the millennials to throw them off their friggin mountains and stomp them into the dust bowl they want to create.

    Religion is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind, and it will be his downfall.

  19. Anonymous8:25 AM

    “Kill them?” Guilfoyle responded to chuckles from her co-hosts. “Kill them.”
    She then pivoted to a more serious remark: “I think it would be fantastic if Snoop and wannabe-Snoop got a visit from, like, the federal marshals and let's see how tough and gangster they are then.” KILL THEM?

    ted nugget?

  20. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Are the seven morons from Uranus suicidal or what? I have never heard of such nonsense! But have heard of morons like them.

    1. Anonymous8:30 AM

      Hey, I got one, have you ever heard about that virgin who gave birth to some 'savior' or somethin'? If THAT aint some nonsense.

  21. Anonymous1:02 PM

    The original article was written by Brad Christerson, Biola University and Richard Flory, University of Southern California and was published at UPI.

    As far as I could tell, failed to give proper attribution.

    from the article:
    "...a movement that we call “Independent Network Charismatic,” or INC, Christianity in our recently released book, “The Rise of Network Christianity.” "

    It seems helpful to know that INC is a term coined by the authors and not one used by the various groups--the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and those who have adopted NAR's 7 Mountain doctrine which Gryphen has been writing about since 2008.

    1. Anonymous1:14 PM

      To does have an active link to the book.

      The book looks pretty good. If anyone is interested, google books has an extensive preview:

    2. Paul in Minnesota8:50 PM

      Thank you for mentioning the book via the link. I made a suggestion for my library to purchase some copies of it so that I and other people can read it. Thank you, Paul in Minneapolis.

  22. Anonymous9:57 PM

    Thank you for posting this information, Gryphen.

    It is intriguing as some of the most corrupt and unChristian people who are flaunting how supposedly "Christian" they are (which is, not really) to the point I call them Christianists.

    They're it (Christian) in name only; not in deeds, nor actions nor in helping people less fortunate as Jesus would have done so. The Christianists also do more bad spiritual craft in their churches than any pagans or other people I know of (from what I've read about Dominionism) as the Christianists (like Palin) are often mean, petty, vindictive, focused on themselves and to the point of even being evil people.

    They are not pro life. They are not even pro fetus. They stand in the way of life in all forms. Especially when it's out of the womb. They're pro-war, yet for everyone else and everyone else's family's.

    I've also never met a bad pagan or witch. Yet I've met many awful Christians.

    I'd wish Christianists all the best, yet I don't want them to be the best at what they do which is often bad; I would prefer that they could turn themselves over to a better side of life and be something more in light such as Jesus is portrayed by most Christian religions. Problem is I think they portray Jesus having a machine gun, driving a Hummer and conquering the world and not giving a damn about anyone who isn't straight, male, white or into their specific kind of Christianity.

    When I read the Bible through from cover to cover in high school, I was a bit dismayed as Jesus wasn't the nicest guy either. And God was a real jerk (especially in the old testament) and that's saying it politely.

    The Dominionism (Seven Mountains) movement is in government and also ...
    now they're in the military (aka if you read Mikey Weinstein's blog).

    Meanwhile, I'll naively go on trying to live my own best life. Hopefully under Trump, he won't drop the nuclear bomb, trying to speed up the Armageddon nor the rapture somehow to please the Christianists. Yet I'll bet that's what they're rooting for, their end coming sooner than later. Sigh.

    At least, the more the rest of us know the Christianists lunatics are trying to escape from their asylum, we can try to get them back into it and regain our government and society again before it's too late. Though they're already doing much damage. Some of them should be brought up for war crimes and more.

  23. Anonymous11:28 PM

    Ted Cruz is heavily involved with the dominionists, which is why he's so tight with faux historian David Barton. Barton is notorious for promoting a revisionist history of America as a Christian nation, trying to deny Sally Hemmings bore children fathered by Thomas Jefferson, and other extreme far right nationalist myths.

    Barton also ran Cruz's super-PAC. I would be far more worried about the Seven Mountains bull if Cruz were President, or even in Trump's administration. Let the happy-clappy evangelicals foam at the mouth, speak in tongues, or whatever gets them off.

    Trump is probably atheist. If he has any real religious leanings, it's most likely some form of the prosperity gospel, rather than the Episcopalian faith he claims.

  24. Anonymous5:43 AM

    So...explain to me why this is different than ISIS trying to take over the Muslim world

    1. Anonymous8:29 AM



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