Saturday, May 06, 2017

Donald Trump's former choice for Army Secretary has stated that the government helping people keeps them from seeking God.

Hey, don't look at me. If you want help pray for it.
Courtesy of the Washington Examiner:  

President Trump's now-former pick for Army secretary once said government-assisted healthcare is an "injustice" because it hampers church-affiliated providers from converting people to Christianity. 

Mark Green, a state senator in Tennessee, told a church group in 2015 that sickness is one of the main avenues that bring people to religion, but that citizens in the United States now instead rely on the government to help them, limiting the Christian church's role. 

The comments shed more light on the conservative religious views that led Green, a physician and former Army flight surgeon, to withdraw his nomination on Friday after Democratic lawmakers and progressive advocacy groups raised an outcry in advance of his Senate confirmation hearings. 

"The person who's in need … they look to the government for the answer, not God, and I think in that way government has done an injustice that's even bigger than just the creation of an entitlement welfare state," Green said. "In this setting, I'll share the story, I think it interrupts the opportunity for people to come to a saving knowledge of who God is."

Most of the time these Fundamentalists are not dumb enough to say something like this out loud, but yeah I think that a lot of the religious Republicans have this as one of the secret reasons that they do not want the government to provide people with affordable healthcare. 

Are you sick?

Sounds like you need a little faith healing from Dr. Jesus.

Actually if they miss the chance to indoctrinate you into a religious faith as a child, their only real opportunity after that is if you become sick, or poor, lose a loved one, or experience some other catastrophic event that leaves you feeling vulnerable.

Religion is essentially a parasite that feeds on the weak.

If you are well cared for and filled with the confidence that you have the help you need when you need it, then why would you resort to seeking solace from a primitive superstition?  

I have to tell you that this statement makes a whole lot of things start to fall in place concerning the Republican's disdain for big government, Planned Parenthood, and Obamacare. 


  1. Anonymous4:19 AM

    OT: Another woman-hating Wasilla politician:

  2. Anonymous4:23 AM

    How did this guy remotely qualify for the position of Secretary of the Army? He sounds like a perfect right-wing Republican who has no business at all in any political office. Of course, since we've now eliminated the clause in the Constitution about separation of church and state according to the Attorney General who announced recently that there is no separation of church and state in the US Constitution, we are likely to see many more like this guy.

    I read in a letter to the editor (local paper) that Rep. Jack Bergman's only "town-hall" type gathering anywhere near where we live was begun with a prayer. Now there are lots of events that merit an opening prayer but a town hall with political constituents is not one of them.

    Especially when the member of Congress is a weasel-y, cowardly, lying Republican. I got a prompt response yesterday to my emailed letter complaining about, as E. J. Dionne calls it, the Anti-Health Care Bill just past by the House. I had complained about the treatment of women and naming domestic abuse, sexual abuse, C-section birth, and postpartum depression as "pre-existing conditions" with all of the onus that such categorization implies in that bill. Mr. Bergman insisted that people with pre-existing conditions will continue to be covered just as before. What weasel-y, cowardly, lying excuses of humanity those GOP members of Congress are! All of them, with no exception. Any Republican who voted against the bill either wanted no healthcare bill at all or something even more vile.

    Sorry this became a bit O/T but Christian virtues are absent in the Republican gene pool. Only greed and selfishness are there.

    1. Anonymous5:03 AM

      You might wan tto ask him as publically as possible in letters to editors why the Congress is exempted from the pre-existing clasue in their insurance. And reference the exact site in the bill.

    2. Anonymous9:46 AM

      Beaglemom, I completely emphasize. Bergman has thus far blown off all of my concerns with his lying, canned replies. Either he lacks reading comprehension, just doesn't give a damn, or both.

      I have no idea who you are, but hope we run into each other at some march for some Trump absurdity in TC. Your measured, rational words here in Gryphen's living room have helped keep me somewhat sane in the past six months. I'd like to, at the very least, buy you a coffee some day.

  3. Anonymous4:32 AM

    I read that in countries with national health care, and other citizen aides, religion is declining. The US and Muslim countries are the opposite. Seems like churches are losing their congregations - BIGLY. The more we see of the godless repubs. the less likely people are to put their faith in idols. $carah PayMe is a prime example of GODLESS repubs. tRump is another.

    1. Anonymous6:26 AM

      OT?" As Kennedy grimaces and tries to dissuade him from such vitriol, he continues, stating that one of the accusers is a woman who founded a lesbian nightclub in Gothenburg (“she’s in that circle”)—the implication being that this proves she’s an untrustworthy liar—and then refers to his two accusers as “running as a tag team.”from start to finish, he comes across as the same individual: detached, pretentious, paranoid, nasty, and so sanctimonious it’s repellent."Residing since 2012 in London’s Ecuadorian embassy in order to avoid extradition to Sweden to face rape prosecution (and, he fears, transfer to the U.S. for violating the Espionage Act), Assange is a man boxed in on all sides, raging against a machine for a cause that—from the outset—seems mostly designed to stoke his own massive ego."Risk suggests the hunger for celebrity that drives Assange. The latter sequence is one of almost staggering cluelessness, but it’s in keeping with the general, naïve cult of celebrity that’s emerged around him, compelling one protestor to blindly pledge his allegiance to Assange regardless of the ugly allegations against him."

    2. Anonymous6:32 AM

      "When Labrador spoke, reiterating his position that 'health care is not a right guaranteed in the Constitution, the crowd raised red construction paper cards with the word “immoral”

  4. Anonymous5:07 AM

    Look at this

    1. Anonymous6:13 AM

      the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

  5. Anonymous5:18 AM

    There is NO place for religion in politics. Just like health care there is NO place for religion in healthcare. It is NObodys business your religious beliefs nor your healthcare decisions.

  6. Anonymous5:45 AM

    I seriously doubt that the repubs. are truly religious. They pander to the bible thumpers for their votes. THAT is why they are dismantling separation of church and state, so pastors can campaign for the gop. If churches were full of democratic voters, the gop would leave that rule in place.

    1. Anonymous7:36 AM

      For most, their true religion is money.

      It's just convenient that the bastardization of religion their supporters follow also helps produce the accumulation of money and power the politicians crave. It's merely a means to an end and a way to manipulate their constituents.

  7. Ain't jeebus that swarthy looking, brown skinned Middle Easterner that practices medicine w/o requisite permits from the United States?

    Bet that bastard has never been vetted. What are wingnuts thinking? He could be one man's terrorist and they act like he is some kind of a saviour. What dumbasses these wingnuts be.

  8. Anonymous6:13 AM


  9. Anonymous6:50 AM

    OT:"“In my view, there was a complete lack of evidence presented by the state that the marijuana was not for personal use,” Johnson wrote, adding that there was no evidence presented of cash or scales to weigh drugs found at the house. Johnson also argued that the fact marijuana was found in multiple baggies doesn’t necessarily mean Howard was packaging it himself; it may have simply been the form it came in when it was purchased, she wrote, noting that the state’s expert witness conceded the same.

    She also criticized the sentencing ― exactly 18 years in prison for 18 grams of marijuana, or one year per gram ― as suggesting the court acted arbitrarily rather than as “the result of careful consideration of the appropriate sentencing factors.”

  10. Anonymous7:05 AM

    His>"degree is actually in religious education from Oral Roberts University"
    "In fact, they don’t come close to saying the same thing, which is why David Barton had to resort to some sleight of hand and bald-faced lies to support his ridiculous claim.

    And his method is convoluted as hell:

    First he makes the claim that “the Bible was the most frequently cited source in the Founding era.”
    Then he misquotes a study by Donald S. Lutz published in 1984 that doesn’t say anything like that to make his case."
    " Enlightenment rationalism"
    "“Barton, in his ‘study,’ added things like the founders getting the idea for the concept of the separation of powers from the Book of Isaiah, because Isaiah 33:22 says, ‘For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, and the Lord is our king.’ So, there you have it: three branches of government, and they’re all ‘the Lord.’”" Barton’s thinking is entirely convoluted and deceptive, twisted to get the results he wants in complete contradiction of the facts set forth in the study."


  11. Anonymous7:16 AM

    Does anyone else wonder if these Rebiblican ghouls are smart enough to be heavily invested in funeral homes and cemeteries?

    There may be a sudden increase in demand!

  12. Anonymous7:20 AM

    These people are mentally unstable. Look at VP Pence who does not sleep with his wife because that might tempt them to have sex, and sex should never be used for pleasure, only for procreation. According to Pence, trump's cabinet and advisors are mostly these ignorant religious nuts, so Mark Green would fit in nicely.

  13. Anonymous7:41 AM

    He's so anti education. In the true sense of that word. Thinks Lear omg about something is the same as indoctrination. Fearfilled little wimp for an army guy, ain't he?

  14. They use religion as a form of extortion.

    Like missionaries.

    Sure your kids are starving and we'll help, but you have to convert to our religion and bring your children to church every week for indoctrination or we won't provide you with food. Your children are sick? Well, if you don't want them to die, convert to our religion and bring your children to church every week so we can make sure they remain faithful to our religion.

    It's why I've never supported any form of missionary work. No matter what they claim, they are always using food and health care to convert people who love their children and have to choose between religion and their children dying.

    Do they really think their God wants people converted by extortion? I guess so.

    It's just a modern form of the Inquisition.

  15. Anonymous8:26 AM

    "Religion is essentially a parasite that feeds on the weak."

    And the top levels of the US government is filled with Dominionist parasites.

  16. Anonymous11:12 AM

    OT?"One legislator even suggested the lack of disclosure was akin to political money laundering.

    “Creating a nonprofit to act as a washing machine for donations and gifts wouldn’t be stopped by any of the ethics reform bills we’ve debated,”


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