Wednesday, July 19, 2017

During G20 Summit there was a second, hour long meeting, between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin that nobody had heard about.

Courtesy of the New York Times: 

Hours into a dinner with world leaders who had gathered for the Group of 20 summit meeting, President Trump left his chair at the sprawling banquet table and headed to where President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was seated. 

The two presidents had met earlier in the day for the first time and, as the White House put it, had developed a rapport even as they talked about Russia’s interference in the United States’ 2016 elections. 

The July 7 meeting in Hamburg, Germany, was the single most scrutinized of the Trump presidency. But it turned out there was another encounter: a one-on-one discussion over dinner that lasted as long as an hour and relied solely on a Kremlin-provided interpreter. 

No presidential relationship has been more dissected than the one between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin, a dynamic only heightened by the swirl of investigations into whether Mr. Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia to sway the election in his favor. Nevertheless, the meeting was confirmed by the White House only on Tuesday, after reports surfaced that some of the guests had been surprised that it occurred. 

The dinner discussion caught the attention of other leaders around the table, some of whom later remarked privately on the odd spectacle of an American president seeming to single out the Russian leader for special attention at a summit meeting that included some of the United States’ staunchest, oldest allies.

What was significant about this impromptu meeting, that TRUMP clearly sought out, is that it was not reported by the White House, Trump had no similar interactions with other world leaders, and no American official was involved.

Oh, and it was also weird: 

“Pretty much everyone at the dinner thought this was really weird, that here is the president of the United States, who clearly wants to display that he has a better relationship personally with President Putin than any of us, or simply doesn’t care,” said Ian Bremmer, president of the Eurasia Group, a New York-based research and consulting firm, who said he had heard directly from attendees. “They were flummoxed, they were confused and they were startled.”

We also know that the reporting of this made Trump very defensive. 
Pretty sure it the press knew, WE would have known much sooner.
I am not sure what is "fake news" about this since the White House has confirmed that it did indeed happen.

You know for a meeting that was supposedly no big deal, this seems to have really triggered Orange Hitler. 


  1. Anonymous6:15 AM

    Trump is intentionally trying to redefine the meaning of secret. The meeting was secret not based on who else was in the room, but the fact that there was no English interpreter, no transcript of the conversation for the record, and most importantly, it was not disclosed to the American people.

    When a president holds meetings with hostile foreign powers and doesn’t make any public acknowledgment of them, that president is keeping a secret. Trump called reports of the meeting “fake news,” but he confirmed that the meeting happened by describing all of the other people in the room while he was talking to Putin.

    Trump’s nonsensical contradictions while attacking the free press only serve to get him in more hot water.

    A good rule of thumb for reading this president is that the more truth there is to a story, the more he tries to discredit the people reporting it.

    1. Anonymous7:44 AM

      Froggy in 'HOT'water? Reaching soon to the boiling point.

    2. Anonymous7:55 AM

      I HATE to admit it, but I'm kinda with Orange Julius on this one. All the stuff you say sounds a lot like the kind of feeble justification that Trump's surrogates engage in. EVERY headline I saw yesterday was hyperbolic "UNDISCLOSED SECRET MEEEETINNNGGGGG!!!!! OMG RUSSIAN APOCALYPSE!!!11!11!". There were like 50 other people in the room. Calling it "secret" just sounds desperate.

      Of course, I'd like to know WTF they talked about, but still...

    3. Anonymous8:39 AM

      From what Inunderstand, there WAS a SECRET meeting with just Pooty and his interpreter, and Tiny. That meeting did NOT take place with all the other people around, but in a private room somewhere.
      Today, his 'explanation' for not using his own interpreter was, that his speaks only Japanese, not Russian. (Yeah, that is why he was present before, in the two hour meeting...)
      And NO National Security person attending, either, even though that would be protocol...

    4. Anonymous8:44 AM

      That's fine,you stay with your "Orange Julius".He won't be defeated by turning down the flame.Keep it high,when he starts boiling,he will screw up even more.

    5. Anonymous10:21 AM

      8:39 AM You would be talking about a third meeting at the G20 summit.

      The way the second meeting was known was due to the witnesses, other world leaders that saw this. They were befuddled to witness Donald Trump at his first G20 meeting and not care about the other leaders. Trump only cared to go to Putin and talk with him for about an hour.

      Trump was a slacker and did not care about anything except what he wanted. Highly disrespect towards everyone else other than Trump and Putin. What an insult for a meeting that was to include others.

      It was not an occasion where being spontaneous is appropriate. Other than being rude it is a threat that he did not cover his ass by having translator and note taker. Very stupid and incompetent.

      Trump has made himself so incompetent and useless to America that he also sent his daughter to replace him. He should have just said he was going to skip that event. It would have shown some sense had he sent someone worthy of filling in for a world leader. He doesn't even see himself as a leader if she sends his kid to fill that position.

      If there was a third meeting behind close doors, please find out more and where you are hearing about that meeting and who all was there.

  2. Anonymous6:16 AM

    Dozens Of Members Of Congress To Introduce No Confidence Resolution In Trump

    1. Anonymous8:08 AM

      His fat ass needs to be impeached! And, soon due to already ruining our country. Republicans suck - vote them out of office next chance you get! Vote, vote, vote and impeach, impeach, impeach!

  3. Anonymous6:19 AM

    Trump’s Old Words Bite Him In The Butt As He Tries To Duck Responsibility

    “Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible.”

    Trump on Tuesday ducked responsibility after it became clear that neither “repeal and replace” nor a straight repeal of Obamacare had the votes to pass the Senate.

    “We’re not going to own it. I’m not going to own it,” he said. “I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it.”

    But that’s very different from what he said about leadership and responsibility nearly four years ago:

  4. Anonymous6:20 AM

    Former Ethics Chief: Trump Is Being ‘Held To A Lower Standard’ Than His Staff

    Walter Shaub continues to warn that Trump has created, at minimum, “the appearance of profiting from the presidency.”

  5. Anonymous6:22 AM

    ‘This screams crazy for Coco Puffs’: Internet roasts Trump’s latest illiterate health care tweet

    1. Anonymous7:48 AM

      "The Republicans never discuss how good their healthcare bill is because it isn't good"

  6. Anonymous6:34 AM

    Push him!

  7. Anonymous6:35 AM

    ‘SNL’ Writer Replies To Donald Trump’s Tweets As If They Were Personal Texts

  8. Anonymous6:38 AM

    Fox News Appears To Troll Donald Trump With ‘Get Something Done’ Chyron

    “Fox News grabs the zeitgeist by the horns.”

  9. Anonymous6:44 AM

    Trumps obvious lust for putin is surfacing.
    This private rendezvous sounds pretty elicit.
    If these two are in love they should come out.
    Hard to say what took place in private. Wink,wink.
    Trump is a disgusting human!

    1. Anonymous6:57 AM

      Donald Trump goes totally berserk after word leaks of his secret second meeting with Vladimir Putin

      Now every G20 nation can blackmail Donald Trump over his Russia antics

      Donald Trump’s explosive reaction just told us we’re onto something huge

      Other G20 leaders were within earshot of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin’s dinner meeting conversation

    2. Anonymous6:59 AM

      Key detail suggests Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump choreographed their dinner meeting in advance

    3. Anonymous8:32 AM

      World OIL!

    4. Anonymous8:44 AM

      A bombshell report claims that Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), who has long been described as “Putin’s favorite congressman,” was given explicit instructions by the Kremlin for how to attack sanctions against Russia last year.

      The Daily Beast reports that “after being given a secret document by officials in Moscow, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher sought to alter sanctions legislation and tried to set up a virtual show trial on Capitol Hill” last June, right at around the time that Donald Trump Jr. and key members of the Trump campaign met with Russian nationals who claimed to be representatives of the Russian government’s efforts to undermine the candidacy of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

  10. Anonymous6:52 AM

    Former Ethics Chief: I Was ‘Horrified’ By Trump Lawyer Request

    1. Anonymous7:57 AM

      " Trump’s lawyer asked if the President could file his financial disclosure form withOUT signing it." Shaub said the request from the President’s attorney about not signing financial disclosure forms was the “weirdest moment of my entire career.”I was horrified when I sat across the table from his attorney and she asked me if he could file it without signing it to certify that it’s TRUE,” the President did eventually sign it, even though his lawyer tried to convince Shaub to accept it unsigned because signing is voluntary. He said he would like to see rules changed so that Presidents are required to release their tax forms" ‘This is the embodiment of exactly how far we’ve departed from the ethical norms that the American people are entitled to expect their leaders to live up to,’” “So we had to certify the report because it was good enough from a disclosure standpoint to meet the legal requirements, but I’m not sure that we fully understood everything in it.”

  11. Putin speaks fluent English. There was no need to have that interpreter there. I suspect he was there just there to tape what was being said to hold over Trump's head if needed.

    1. Anonymous8:18 AM

      Yes. Putin possibly realized Melania would be working for US and on another mission. She was sent into the official Putin/Trump meeting to move things along. Putin would want to have his own witness and notes.

      Melania charmed President Vladimir Putin at an official dinner, having already been sent into a meeting between her husband and the Russian premier as a messenger by the US delegation.

      Putin is not stupid and he is fully aware of how Trump has women work for him, both official and non official.

      Putin, a brilliant (KGB) spy himself that knows all about covert operations.

    2. Anonymous8:30 AM

      pooty "Caligula"
      "little soldier's boot"

    3. Anonymous9:08 AM

      Melania can speak Russian she can translate. The eyes of a spy.

  12. Anonymous7:14 AM

    In the top photo, Vlad has only a translator and Melania Trump with him.

    Donald Trump is surrounded by many people.

    Where are the photos of Donald sitting with Vlad? If no photos, Why not?

    Trump may have taken his translators with him. Melania may have moved and not been with the two men and a translator.

    1. Anonymous8:52 AM

      Melania speaks fluently Russian.
      No pix, because the hour-long meeting was held behind closed doors, with only Putin and his interpreter and Don the Con present.

    2. Anonymous9:29 AM

      Trump did have an interpreter. But according to the White House he spoke Japanese not russian.

    3. Anonymous10:07 AM

      8:52 AM
      Where are you getting this info? It sounds like fake news.

      A Trump representative said nothing about Trump and Putin behind closed doors.

      The Trump rep said Trump got up from his seat at the table and walked around to Putin's seat. That was where he claims they had the meeting. NOT behind closed door.

      Other reports said the others at the table were upset with what they saw. Trump meeting with Putin at the table.

      Check your source so you are sure not to pass on fake news and lies. Thank you.

      If your version is correct, I would like to know. Thank you for verification.

    4. Anonymous11:23 AM

      The dark web is coming up with a 3rd secret (DARK) meeting behind closed doors!
      Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump: Fake News story of secret dinner with Putin is "sick." All G 20 leaders, and spouses, were invited by the Chancellor of Germany. Press knew! 5:53 PM - 18 Jul 2017

      Dark News of dark dinner with Putin is "dark"
      What's a President like Trump to do? He claims the secret dinner with Putin is sick Fake News.
      How about getting out more Fake News and say things like there was a secret meeting behind closed doors, with only Putin and Trump during G20. If people believe that they won't believe the other world leaders when they say that Trump walked around the table to meet with Putin for an hour.
      If the closed door story is proved false later, that will help to make the actual story also look false. Win, win for Trump. He doesn't need another secret meeting with Russia in his family. He might as well make all meetings look fake, especially for the non-fake meetings.

      The White House failed and they have no records of the meeting the world leaders witnessed.

    5. Anonymous12:20 PM

      I heard that Putin interpreter was English, since he was with Melania Trump.

      Merkel and/or a committee planned the sitting arrangements and the interpreters.

      Plans were made in regard to the leaders accepting and demonstrating protocol.

      There were no back ups for anyone that would suddenly go rogue in the otherwise civil society.

  13. Anonymous7:24 AM

    Another in a long list of Xians who have run amok.

  14. Anonymous8:00 AM

    Melania Trump Sits Beside Putin "Dinner Diplomacy" at G20 Banquet
    Melania Trump chats with Vladimir Putin during G20 banquet in Hamburg. (Is that a G20 worker with the notepad?)!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/810410670.jpg

    Melania Trump towers over Putin at the G20. Melania Trump is 5 feet 11 inches tall, at 5-foot-6-inch, Putin looked up to the first lady.

    Melania Trump Sets the Bar In High Fashion For G20 European Tour. The first lady is a business woman that feels and performs best when traveling out of country. She is a well used asset for her husband. Don't underestimate how he uses her.

    Melania's failed mission

    President Trump uses his daughter Ivanka Trump

    Ivanka Trump, daughter and personal adviser of US President Donald Trump

    Funny dress for a pseudo official/business partner/employee

    Journalists alarmed Ivanka Trump took her father's seat at world leaders' table. "Ivanka Trump, unelected, unqualified, daughter-in-chief, is representing the US at the G20 summit next to May, Xi, Merkel."

  15. Anonymous8:17 AM

    Who did the dinner seating chart? Why was Melania seated next to Putin? Do Melania and Putin speak the same language?

    1. Anonymous8:32 AM

      8:17 I was wondering the same thing. There is an interpreter seated behind/between them, so apparently she doesn't speak Russian. Was she seated there simply to give trump an excuse to go chat with his boss for another hour?

    2. Anonymous8:33 AM

      Why are there no pictures of Trump going to Putin and their second meeting.

      They both speak English and possibly more shared languages.

      The pictures of Putin, Melania and an "interpreter" show the "interpreter"looking more engaged in the conversation with Melania.

      Are their photos of him taking notes?

    3. Anonymous10:08 AM

      Update: Putin and Melania both speak German.

    4. Anonymous10:40 AM

      Both speak English.

    5. Anonymous12:03 PM

      10:40 English, yes. But neither one seems comfortable speaking good ol' 'merican english.

  16. Anonymous8:17 AM

    "Mariya Putin, Vlads eldest daughter just so happens to run a children's endocrinology charity, guess who specializes in endocrinology? Spectrum Health of Michigan. The same site that all the computer traffic was going to and from Trump Tower and Alfa Bank of Russia. Spectrum Health is owned by Betsy Devos. LOL That ladies and gentlemen is called an implausible coincidence. Devos didnt get a cabinet position because she was qualified(an understatement)! She got that job because she's right smack in the middle of all this! They used her companies computer servers to communicate with the Russians and they thought no one would notice! I'm sure she's terrified right about now,"
    From a former thread... Bing Bing Ping Ping Bong Bong BOOM!

    1. Anonymous8:38 AM

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  17. Anonymous8:25 AM

    "Donald Trump’s attitude can only be described as “caviler.”"
    "here was confirmation that Trump’s motorcade left the dinner four minutes after Mr. Putin’s did"Experts in United States-Russia relations indicated that this meeting was of concern because of its length, which suggested a substantive exchange, and because there was no note taker or national security or foreign policy aide present."“We’re all going to be wondering what was said, and that’s where it’s unfortunate that there was no U.S. interpreter, because there is no independent American account of what happened,” said Steven Pifer, a former ambassador to Ukraine who also specializes in Russia and nuclear arms control."yet we have these two leaders that, for reasons that do not make sense and have not been explained to anyone’s satisfaction, are hellbent on adoring each other,” Mr. Bremmer said. “You can take everything that’s been given to us, and it doesn’t add up.”
    {CRIMEa Port$ acce$$.} is a conclusion...

  18. Anonymous8:51 AM

    Yes, Melania speaks fluently Russian, as does anyone from that era from behind the 'iron curtain'

    1. Anonymous10:00 AM

      Link please. Russia is not one of the languages on her list of languages. Fluent of not.

    2. Anonymous1:51 PM

      Oh, please, like she never had any Russian customers.

  19. Anonymous9:00 AM

    Hey the cameras were on. Zero in and lip read. Putin nor Trump will have NO privacy, the world is watching and recording everything.

  20. Anonymous10:21 AM

    They were lining up their stories. Make no doubt about it. Got to get their stories straight.

  21. Anonymous10:37 AM

    Reading the above comments, I don't see why everyone is trying to figure out what Donny said to Vlad. Now, we will never know.
    The so called thing in the White House which is acting as the president is a traitor. That's final.
    I don't know how Americans are brushing it off as maybe it's an acceptable norm. Anything that Trump does is meant to throw us off and make us confused. Vlad would have it no other way. I hardly think that Trump is the thinktank on this one. I believe that it's Vlad all the way or the highway.
    Wake up America. Or is it Amerika?

    1. Anonymous12:11 PM

      We won't know what was said but we may know what Vlad Putin wants us to 'know' about what he would say.

      He could make Trump look like more a traitor by having only a Russian statement from Russian notes, knowing America has no record, due to a leader that does not act in America's best interests.

      Whatever happens now, Vlad is the winner. Twitter Trump is the idiot clown that doesn't have a clue. American is the loser and we are stuck being shown on the world stage with a loser leader.

  22. Anonymous12:19 PM

    I heard Melania speaks another language. Doesn't she speak Gold Digger?

  23. Anonymous1:41 PM

    I am interested in hearing Jared Kushner speak at a public hearing. That will be good for him. He seems sneaky since he always avoids being heard on camera for the public. He is in a position that matters and it would be nice if he felt like Americans deserved to get to know him better. Why doesn't he want to appear like an open transparent person? Weird if you ask me. His wife isn't hiding like he is.

    1. I'm only interested insofar as experts can watch and analyze when he's lying.

  24. Anonymous3:52 PM

    " they didn’t have to worry about a president being ignorant of science, ignorant of usage of the language, disrespectful of social norms, and inexperienced at government if he was like them."the framers didn’t build into the Constitution many safeguards, impeachment being quite literally the only one applicable to the presidency. Impeachment is the solution that is being offered by people in the “Resistance,” and even by a couple of members of congress." “If it turns out that people were prevented from voting, that would be stealing an election,” Suppose they wanted to permanently damage the standing of the United States in the world by electing someone like Trump? The election would be illegitimate because it was stolen by the Russians acting alone.”

  25. Anonymous9:19 AM

    Why was melania sitting next to putin at the G20 dinner? Does she speak Russian? Does she know putin? What was said before trump interrupted? And what was said when trump was there?

  26. Anonymous9:24 AM

    You can bet other countries had the cameras and lip readers on that hour long conversation with putin at g20 dinner.


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