I just purchased the Vanity Fair article that contains Levi's article.I laid on my bed and read it in one sitting, occasionally stopping to slap my forehead or call my sources to yell at them. After I was completely finished I just sat there trying to make sense out of what I just read.
But I couldn't.
Essentially much of what Levi says in the article is in direct opposition to things I have learned over the last five months. I don't know what that means yet.
I am still very confident in my sources but I also had a lot of faith in young Levi. So now I am going to have to try and get to the bottom of why there is a disparity between what he reports and what my sources report. I hope to have that figured out to my satisfaction in a day or so.
On the plus side there are a few things that Levi shares which serves to validate my earlier reporting.
For example: "After the nomination, Sara hand Todd wouldn't go anywhere together unless the cameras were out. They're good on television, but once the cameras would leave they didn't talk to each other. In all the time Bristol and I were together, I've never seen them sleep in the same bedroom." (I don't know how she got pregnant.) Yes that is one of the parts that is making my head hurt. "Even during the Republican National Convention they slept in different bedrooms at opposite ends of her suite."
There are other portions that I will share later. But right now I need to digest what I have read, talk to some people, and try to get some things straight in my head.
Is it too early to start drinking?
Gryphen: I read it on Tuesday when it came out. If you'd like to email me, I'd love to discuss. Sometimes some back and forth is a good thing and people read things differently. I found that most of the article reinforced many of your ideas.
ReplyDeleteI also have a lot of faith in Levi - I don't kmow what he would have in the way of agenda or what he gains by going against the PalinRage Machine?
Seems to me Levi is probably the better source
ReplyDeleteOne of my theories is that when Sarah & Bristol went to New York in October 2007, Bristol's pregnancy was terminated, but when Sarah was being vetted for VP, McCain asked the deal breaker question: "Have you or any family members EVER had an abortion?," Sarah choked on her Diet Dr. Pepper, and said, "No!" Thus Sarah faked a pregnancy knowing she was going to adopt the only child that was available on such short notice, which was a DS baby. This even explains the wild ride - the baby became ready to go home around the time of her TX trip in April 2008. Sarah faked being pregnant so that everyone would think she was faking a pregnancy for Bristol's baby. She wants everyone to think that. Otherwise, everyone who had seen Bristol pregnant in late summer 2007 would figure out that Bristol had had an abortion.
ReplyDeleteI like to call this the "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" theory after the movie.
I take the "I don't know how she got pregnant" as a snide remark (likely cleared or even crafted by someone's lawyer) reinforcing the improbability that this well-over-forty fake was ever pregnant.
ReplyDeletePlease don't worry. You are absolutely right about the essentials.
IMHO, there were 2 "versions". One if Sherry got the book thrown at her and one if she didnt. Hence the discrepancies. Levi is looking out for his mother and that is why we'll never get the truth.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not too early to drink. Just pace yourself.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he is saving it all for a book? Just a teaser in the VF article to generate interest for the book?
ReplyDeleteThe interview was actually months ago, right? Was Sarah still in office at the time? If so, I agree that he was holding back to protect his Mom.
Some of what Levi says has the ring of truth to it. And some of what Levi says in unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteFor example, Levi is the boy friend of a girl whose mother (the governor) is having a baby, and he's theere, 6 AM, remembering the exact time of birth. Come on, it's not very likely. I asked my husband if he remembered what time our first child was born. That would be something he should remember. Afternoon? Evening? He got it wrong.
Levi's inserting details like Bristol was 17 when she got pregnant or had a baby-- boys don't remember dates, numbers, ages. They remember ball scores, who got traded two years ago, how big the fish was that they caught last summer, but they just do not have that kind of recall for ages and dates of girl friends, or girl friend's mother's fifth child's birth.
Oh, I forgot. Levi tenderly kisssing the baby of his girl friend's mother at the convention. Hmm.
Yet, we want to believe the stuff about the Palins in separate bedrooms, fighting, Sarah wanting the money. Here's an idea for Gryphen: why don't you share some of your inside material with us, and we'll decide where the truth is-- with Levi, with your informant(s) or someplace in between.
The reason I've been hoping for the truth ASAP, is that I'm afraid Murdock will put the kiboosh on everyone who might in fact talk, such as Levi. I think it's time to lay out what you have, or it might get swept under the rug. What a shame that would be.
ReplyDeleteAs a researcher, my first and mort important concern is always DOCUMENTATION!
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter what Levi says - what he claims to have seen or heard. If he can't document it, or at least bring forward other witnesses to verify his claims, it becomes his word against Sarah's and he'd be leaving himself open for a lawsuit.
So having said that, I can imagine a couple of scenarios.
1. sjk's suggestion of there being 2 versions and the tale he tells depends on how his mother fares in court.
2. he's playing games and baiting Sarah for some other purpose, perhaps relating to Bristol or the boys.
3. he's told his tale but it has been redacted/edited/or completely altered by lawyers or editors and the version we got doesn't even resemble what he actually submitted.
It is only hearsay but I hear Lansia Garcia is back in the picture. She knew the family for years. I am curious to know why no one is trying to talk to her? Or have they? There are a few good rumors about the old chums. The informants that turned on Levi's mother are a key part. Don't you think Levi knows them by name? He is a simple guy that does not want to leave Wasilla. In the articles I've read he is playing to his small town group back home. It is ruled by Palin's Wasilla mafia. Does Levi read the bad press his mother gets up there? He may think he is doing what is best for her but it looks like he tossed her under the bus. Who has successfully gagged the sister?
ReplyDeleteSarah was not pregnant with Trig, so obviously Levi is not being straightforward. Someone has gotten to him. Murdoch?
ReplyDeleteIt's really very simple. Levi told US the truth, (the part about the covering up Bristol's pregnancy). And lied for Sarah, (the part about being at the hospital when SP "had" the baby.) The inconsistency is perfectly consistent with everything we've ever experienced around Sarah Palin. As for why Levi did this, I have two theories. A) That Levi is trying to reassure Sarah that he'll keep her secrets, while simultaneously giving them away. B) That Levi has become infected with the same dysfunctionality that everyone who gets close to SP experiences and can no longer tell the true from the false. (Like Bristol saying abstinence is "unrealistic" one month, and the next, campaigning for abstinence.)
ReplyDeleteI too was amazed at some of the statements in the article, initially. But like basheert, I also found that most of the article reinforced your ideas.
ReplyDeleteSome of the wording regarding "having the baby" etc is VERY specific. It reads like code. Some things seem very carefully worded, perhaps so nothing is said that might violate some agreement in place???
Bear in mind that just because Levi was in the house and with Bristol doesn't mean he knows everything about Sarah's secrets. Or Bristol's, for that matter.
The article said Sarah kept wanting to adopt the baby, and Levi and Bristol kept saying no. Sarah may have decided to start the fake pregnancy so she would be ready when she convinced Levi and Bristol, and initially Levi and Bristol were taken in. I think the reference about Todd and Sarah not sleeping together is a snide remark that also draws attention to the underlying truth.
And the nasty comment Sarah made about Trig's condition is disgusting and unpardonable. That was one of the biggest bombshells in the story, and I find it completely believable. The look she has on her face when she holds him and the way she hands him off as quickly as possible back up that remark.
I think Audrey at Palin's Deceptions has been suffering from the same headache you have. She hasn't posted since the preview of Levi's article came out.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I don't know WTF to make of all this. If I had never heard the insane birth story and seen the photos of Palin clearly not pregnant in March 08 on the Anchorage Daily News' own website, I'd say Levi's clearly telling the truth. But now it's just cognitive dissonance. I can't make any sense of it.
Is there some benefit to Levi in being the one to throw the babygate theorists under the bus? To separate himself from that story is supposed to benefit him somehow? Is that the advice he's getting?
It's just so effing weird.
Funny, I almost bought VF today and decided no, I won't. I must've had a premonition. Anyway, very weird and I'm curious to hear what you have say, Gryphen. For my part, the whole ghost-writing thing is making me want to vomit. Someone needs to challenge the newly brilliant "Governor" to do an on-camera interview and share her extensive knowledge of health care policy. Otherwise, she should shut up. I should say, the person writing for her should.
ReplyDeleteAm I the only one who sees the fact that Quitter did get pregnant at least 4 times? Maybe Levi's statement would be better if it said"I don't know how she EVER got pregnant? Unless he said "with Trig" it means nothing.
ReplyDeleteYes, it makes my head hurt, too. Why didn't he just not talk about Trig if he didn't want to/couldn't tell the truth? Why come out with statements that seem to support a pregnancy that never happened? So much of what he says has the ring of truth, but if he lied about this, it will undercut everything else he had to say.
ReplyDeletehow do we know that the statement about her getting pregnant wasn't a generic "How on earth did those two EVER have children?" sort of statement rather than being about Trig?
ReplyDeleteIf Levi really had a story to tell, the book deal would have been made by now. Not magazine articles, not TV interviews, but a real book with big bucks. Since we do not see any evidence of a book, we have to question why Levi selectively leaks tidbits here and there.
ReplyDeleteIf Levi is really the father of both Trig and Tripp, he risks losing access to his kids. Sarah and Todd may have offered to adopt a child that he and Bristol had; he never tells us which child. If we give the matter one minute of thought, Sarah could gamble on adoption before being selected as VP nominee. For her to offer to adopt a baby that would be born a month after she took office, that story just doesn't make any sense at all.
I really want to believe Levi, but from the moment we saw him do TV interviews, we knew that he was holding stuff back. Some of what Levi says sounds absolutely right, while other statements might have been written by his lawyer.
Maybe Gryphen could do us a favor and point out which of Levi's statements don't ring true.
Levi may also have to protect his mother. I think that Sherry is awaiting sentencing?
Anon @12:09: Very interesting theory! It actually does make some sense to me.
ReplyDeleteLevi kissing the baby during the convention might be a tender kiss, because he knows the baby needs extra love and does not get it from $arah - I seem to remember that he went to volunteer for the Special Olympics.
So, Trig just *might* be a random baby, one that $arah 'had' (handed to her) on April 18, around 6 am...
The whole problem with this saga is that there are just so many inconsistencies between what the parties say, and sometime between what an individual says. If I were retired and had the time, I would create a matrix going through every interview/article to track the statements and the inconsistencies. For example, in this article, it states Willow found the pregnancy test, yet in Sarah's speech in Indiana, she stated she found out she was pregnant while in New Orleans for a conference. So now we're expected to believe that not only did she keep the pregnancy test (most likely urine-based), she carted it home with her on the plane?
ReplyDeleteLevi will need to protect himself if he is indeed a part of this charade. I maintain that Trig was not officially adopted but in Bree Palin style they are trying to fool the system and simply claim him as SP' without any paperwork. Then all involved could be charged with Fraud and they can hold over his ignorant little head that Levi could face jail time too.
ReplyDeleteso now the question is:
ReplyDeletewhy is levi lying for sarah? she obviously wasn't pregnant. he's lying.
why?
I don't think it has to do with his mother. I think he is protecting someone else.
Just want to let you all know that your Senator Begich was one of a group of about 14 Dems called to the WH for a meeting with the Pres today at 4:15 est. No word out yet as to what went down.
ReplyDeleteI had hoped there would be more truth about Trig. I believe Levi when she referred to him as the "little regarded one". That woman absolutely has the coldest heart. You can see on her face the total disgust when she holds him and then quickly passes him back to Piper. Maybe he is saving the best for his book, however if Murdoch has his way, we may never know the truth. Murdoch has managed to keep Sarah and Meg's mouth shut regarding Levi and his revelations, so I guess money can buy just about anything.
ReplyDeleteWell, Gryphen, you have your work cut out for you. National Enquirer is now running the Levi VF story, and they have interview Mercede who stands by her brother. Now, you have to wade through some more stories and sort everything out. Good Luck. And, please give us some stuff to chew on. Too. Also. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIt's 5:00 somwhere
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin first sparked my interest when I read the Governor of Alaska recently had a DS baby. Not knowing anything about SP, I read up on it because I thought it was an interesting choice for someone in her position to make.
ReplyDeleteVery quickly, I knew something was amiss in the official story. The SP version of childbirth never happened -- not in the history of the world. And I say this as someone trained to deliver babies.
When I read that SP's husband worked far from home, the logical answer to all the discrepancies and vagaries seemed pretty clear. In a situation like this, it's usually the standard answer: the woman was having an affair and she's had to fudge details to build a believable case that her husband is the father.
Just read it.
ReplyDeleteI found the story about how Sarah revealed her "pregnancy" such an outrageous lie. And I am actually someone who believes the baby was really Sarah's. She didn't tell the family until a day or two before she made a public comment, which was when she was 7 months pregnant, and she still had the pregnancy test lying around? For her kids to discover? It's been peed on...you're going to keep that around for months? Was she hoping for a different outcome? Okay, so maybe she thought for the first few months that she wasn't pregnant, that she was going through "the change"...still it seems like a big lie. Who keeps their pregnancy test lying around?
this is off-topic - but do you realize that ever since you mentioned that you thought it was kind of funny that the ads being placed on your blog were pro-palin ads, EVERY SINGLE ONE has been pro-palin. is there anything you can do to stop that? i am actually quite offended to see her stupid face on your site, unless you, yourself, are referring to her.
ReplyDeleteWhat is effing weird now will one day make more sense. I am sure some crazy has been going on.
ReplyDeleteSome of those Silla parents are squawking about the oxycon threat to their kiddies. No one can talk about it, they do lie and they do keep their pie holes shut.
Gryphen, what are the chances your sources are tweakin you? Don't ring their necks just yet. I know when Rush Limbaugh was on oxycon it didn't effect his job. I asked a friend and I was told that it is hard to detect when someone is using. If the oxycon in Silla is half of what they say, you need to take what anyone from there is telling you with a grain of salt. Not even love for Sarah Palin is stronger than love for oxycon. I'd like to learn more about the drug because it is not as popular where I am. We have other drug lords and popular drugs.
GenieO is right DOCUMENTATION! I go with #1 and #3 scenarios.
There is no way that Sarah was pregnant when she claims. I haven't read the VF article. Does Levi set up the environment that he is coming from? Does he fill the reader in on the drinking he and Bristol did? I know his mother is in pain. I know people who have come off of opiates they were on for pain. Something is not right with the way they are dealing with that.
Levi in the house doesn't mean he knows everything. Sarah may have let her guard down at times, but no one knows how much she set up. A central part of what Levi knows could have to do with the drinking scenario he and Bristol did. He was a friend of the oldest son. Sarah did all she could to hide it all. Would she want it known her daughter got pregnant during her wild party time? Levi is taking protecting Bristol's drinking. He would protect the son, Willow and everyone else, only mentioned Todd had to drink beer alone. They do sound like teetotalers or closet abusers. Unravel the oxycon grip on people and you will unravel the rest of the story.
Yeah, it is truly a crazy maker. The entire situation is a crazy maker. I really don't understand the whole Wasilla mafia thing. I mean if it is known that they will actually have people harmed or killed for telling what they know, well, sounds like we need some witness protection programs and some safe houses up there.
ReplyDeleteVery regrettably i think the truth will never come to light, just like the truth about JFK assasination, just like the real low down on 9-11 and every other incident that pushes forth an agenda that we are not to know about. Clearly Scarah will be used as a pawn for whatever the stringmasters wish to use her for, and most of America and the MSM are complacent enough to just keep wathcing American Idol. Move along. nothing to see here.
I think i need to go to rehab for following this story so closely for a year now. I;m seriouly addicted to these blogs. For nought.
I think Levi has signed something and/or been paid to keep his mouth shut.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the SP pregnancy pics. In some she looks small, in others she looks chubby without a baby bump. I don't know about the dates of all the pics. I just don't know much about this stuff but I do think something is fishy- especially the airplane story. Remember that pic of Trig with Levi's sister captioned something like Triggy Bear my baby brother- or whatever, I always thought that was mighty strange. Somewhere I read an opinion that Bristol got pregnant by Levi's father, thus causing his parents divorce. That seems farfetched. But how about this- SP gets pregnant by Levi's father. Levi's affection for the kid would be explained as would the Levi sister picture caption. What do you think? Does it work? Oh wait. Maybe Todd had the affair with Levi's mother and she is the one who actually had the baby. I'm giving myself a headache.
Audrey and her family have been threatened to not write on her blog any more. Not physical threats, others.
ReplyDeleteI can see why you might have a headache Gryphen.
One thing that is going to go against Levi, is that if he comes out and makes statements later contridictory to what was written in Vanity Fair and other places, he will be branded a liar later and not believed. This is already happening with the current article. Either way, whether he is telling the truth now or later, it isn't going to look good for him.
I hope that you are not using Levi or those closest to him (who might be getting statements from him) as a source if it isn't going to be dependable.
I hate to say start over, but maybe cultivating other sources that can independently verify what you already have, might not be a bad idea.
My theory: Levi agreed to a TriG story when he signed away his rights to TriG to Sarah and Todd. He is putting the agreed TriG story in VF as a message to Sarah that he is keeping to his word -- for now. Remember: the fact that he gives so many details increases the chances that it is a rehearsed story.
ReplyDeleteBut by telling unflattering things he hasn't agreed to keep secret, and by telling elements of the TriG truth as if it happened with TriPP, he's reminding Sarah that he can still spill all. He may be shopping a book to get a price and then demand Sarah pay him that amount not to write the book.
Even if Levi doesn't write his book, one of these journalist/writers on the Palin story are bound to tell at least parts of the secrets. But I hope before long Levi himself will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Hang in there, Gryphen. Darkest hour is before the dawn.
What about the insurance fraud aspect? I think Levi lied about Trig's birth in order to protect his son. Levi and Bristol can't afford health care for a special needs child. If he tells the truth then things would get seriously ugly at Chez Palin. Someone else is going to have to tell that secret; my hunch is that Levi never will.
ReplyDeleteOK. I haven't read the article yet so I don't know Levi's exact words. But one theory that has never been raised (except within the confines of my own mind) is that Trig is someone else's baby. . .like, someone OUTSIDE of the family. A friend, a congregant at the church, or some other twisty relationship, who confided to Sarah that she didn't want the DS baby she was carrying. And Sarah then decided to take in the baby as her own, faking the pregnancy, as an opportunistic political ploy. Covering for the real mother, making herself look all Christiany and ProLifey.
ReplyDeleteThat has been my assumption from day one, long before I joined the anti-Palin posters, when I watched the video of her skippering flat tummied all over Anchorage with that Alaska Outdoors (sp?) reporter in late February in high heeled boots. Photos are easily faked, but videos, not so much. That and the comparison to the photo of her in late pregnancy with a previous child.And the extremely peculiar behavior when her water broke. Entirely unbelievable, unless you accept her as a viciously cruel and heartless woman who really didn't give a cold damn about the baby she was carrying. Either way, she is damned.
I think she necessarily kept this secret from her own children, knowing she couldn't trust or control them in the future, if she was beholden to keeping someone else's secret. And staged the whole hospital visit/birth even for them.
Too bad Levi is not a postpartum mature mother, who would have been able to detect the merest whiff of deception during the day when Trig was ostensibly born to Sarah. He's an unreliable witness in this regard, due to his youth and gender, regardless of what actually went down, whether he intends to be or not.
Message to Morgan.
ReplyDeleteThere are blogs that I will not allow to be mentioned on this site, and there are subjects that I do no want discussed here. Not to hide anything but out of deference for our friends.
I understand that you are worried, but Audrey is just fine. She is working on something that is taking her away from her blog right now. That is all I am at liberty to discuss.
And remember trying to reason with certain people is a complete waste of time and only makes them feel more important due to the effort.
But your heart is in the right place and your concern is very much appreciated.
I have been wanting to say this for a while now, but can someone research the fake pregnancy padding purchase? I doubt you can walk into a Wasilla store and purchase those - she would've needed to order one from most likely an online retailer. There can't be too many sources that sell fake pregnancy padding (like Audrey posted on her blog). Google the top 2 or 3 vendors and call them and ask them to search their records for an order shipped to Wasilla in the March 2008 timeframe.
ReplyDeleteI think you are going to have to go at this in more roundabout ways, but I am sure that she has left a trail somehow.
Did she get a bikini wax while "pregnant"? Has anyone researched the flight crew on the airline and talked to them?
People LOVE to talk...maybe not in Wasilla, but in general. Keep going.
Dr. Baldwin-Johnson knows the truth, you can bet on that. The insurance company who insures Trigg knows the truth or they are complete idiots. Someone needs to play hardball with the good Dr. What kind of medical professional is she anyway? Let's see some birth certificates. Alaskan not Hawaiian.
ReplyDeleteFor those of us that don't have the magazine, was there something really unexpected there compared to the previews?
ReplyDeleteI just can't help but wonder about what the different stories are from your sources compared to arrive.
I hope you can tell us more soon. I am not upset I just don't see what is taking so long,,, why is it ? Before it was to protect Levi and his book. And now?
It is also strange that Sarah has not made one single comment about Levi's most recent article. She has lashed out in the past, or her father or spokesperson have challenged Levi on previous comments. So, then, everything Levi said was OK?
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking that Levi had made a deal with Palin to never reveal the truth about Trig. It could be that he signed some kind of confidentiality papers and he will lose visitation of both his children if he speaks the truth.
ReplyDeleteCome on...Palin is the one with lawyers. That kid would have signed anything she put in front of him. It could be that he is being held hostage to some former legal "agreement" to keep his mouth shut.
Somthing like this:
I, Levi agree to give up all legal rights to my child to Todd and Sarah Palin who will raise him as their own. It is my decision for the Palin's to adopt my child and have them take full responsibility for his upbringing. In doing so, I agree that under no conditions shall I lay claim to said child and reveal the details of this legal agreement. I understand that if I break the legal binding confidentiality clause, I will lose any and all visitations (or whatever Palin threatened him with).
Gryphen, I'm so glad to see your 3:29 post. I've been concerned about A. Hope to see her back on line soon.
ReplyDeleteI doubt that even Charles Dickens or Mark Twain could do justice to this deranged story. Maybe Mitchner with his huge staff of researchers. Or maybe Gore Vidal. Or maybe Oscar Wilde.
Thanks for embedding the cover of this infamous Vanity Fair issue, Gryphen. I've admired Jackie O for a very long time; she shines.
ReplyDeleteAnd for a little humor about this Levi article, here's my odyssey in trying to find myself a copy of October Vanity Fair. On Wednesday, I checked both nearby grocery stores. Usually reliable, both of them. Neither had the magazine. One helpful young man told me that their magazine vendor was due in on Thursday (today). Well, I needed a few items, so I went back. No Vanity Fair. There was obvious replenishment of all the other magazines, plenty of shiny new covers. No photo of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis. No article by/about Levi Johnston. I'll check again tomorrow. By the way, I'm in Atlanta, not in Lower Podunk. chuckling, grammy
Well, Manxmamma, Michener is dead. And his researchers didn't delve into things like this, anyway. Trust me, I was married to one of them.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteI think the people sitting on the mother lode of information are those in, and or around the Mat-Su clinic. Either that or someone in town government who has access to or information about such documents as birth certificates.
ReplyDeleteWhere's Orly Taitz when you really need her?
Oops--last anonymous comment was mine. Sorry--I just saw your message to Morgan and realized that I spoke of one of the blogs not to be named. Sorry. That effer.
ReplyDeleteI read the VF article and ??? I need to read it again. It seems like dates are blurred and as someone said "Levi is dropping crumbs in the sand to follow"
ReplyDeleteI think what he said about Queen Quitter wanting to adopt a baby is true. I'm just not sure it was the 2nd baby of Bristol.
Also he says "her daughter preg at 17" which could be in 2008 in both cases. Trig & Trip.
Now him saying he was at the hosp when Trig was delivered... I don't buy that unless Trig was delivered to Bristol or Trig was delivered to sarah to go home after being born earlier.
I need to read it again.
The problem with Levi, is quitters worshipers take everything "literally" They don't seem to have intellectual ability to "read between the lines" So Levi saying he was there when Trig was delivered is concrete in their mind.
I heard Desperate housewives had a plot about a woman faking a preg. I wouldn't put it past Quitter to see than and Do it! Alaska is very corrupt. Look what just happened to Andree during the APOC meeting. She was threatened by one of the personnel board!!!!!
Its that bad!
You guys need Bob POE!!!
Levi is keeping quiet about Tr1g because if he admitted that he was he and Bristol's #1, then he would be deomonized in a heartbeat for giving him up to the devil herself, who has done nothing for Trig except use him for her personal gain. He's in CYA mode there.
ReplyDeleteThe theory about Palin adopting whatever baby was available last minute to fit her timeline is a stretch- but to cover up an abortion? I can see that. I know DS babies have similar physical features, but what are the chances of Palin getting her hands on one that is brunette and actually looks like a Palin/Heath? Slim to none.
When I was a student many years ago at a prominent journalism school, the professor of my class in investigative journalism use to scream at us: "Follow the money."
ReplyDeleteI would wager that there is definitely a money angle here, and I think it probably has to do with insurance (ironic, since Sarah is actively trying to thwart efforts to ensure that everyone, regardless of health status or income, has access to decent affordable healthcare).
If Bristol birthed Trig, as I believe is highly likely, she probably had maternity coverage, although someone should check whether maternity benefits are covered for minor dependents under Alaska's government health benefits. But Trig himself wouldn't have been covered - a very bad thing for a baby with serious health issues (but hell no, we don't need healthcare reform).
Now, of course, if Sarah adopted Trig, he would be covered, but here's the kicker -- insurance coverage wouldn't be retroactive until birth and wouldn't kick in until the adoption was finalized.
So when was Trig adopted, or has he been? If he was adopted, who paid for his pre-adoption medical bills (which I assume were astronomical). Is anyone, including Levi, a party to insurance fraud?
Follow the money.
To Anon 1:42. Begich is going to be on Rachel, shortly to expressly talk about that meeting.
ReplyDeleteAlso. Question for this thread.
Why so many Anons. Just askin'.
Wow Keith Olberman is slamming Republicans including Palin! I love it! It's too bad more people don't have the balls to talk about how stupid and inappropriate they are. Wow.
ReplyDeleteAnd Begich will be on Rachels show. They are still being such assholes!! The Republicans McCain and Boehner are making awful statements about Obama. They must not want to lose their health business money. The fringe are taking over the Republican party. What an embarrassment the Republicans are-they just are clueless how low class and stupid they are.
You know have any of you wondered if Levi and Mercedes have taken money to be quiet about Trigs real parentage? For some money can buy anything
Does Witchy Pants and her whacko Jesus church use the Gothard method of discipline?
ReplyDeleteWould explain the lack of tears or any fussing from that little baby of hers.. and the stone faces of her kids looking like they are afraid to speak or even crack a smile most of the time
I know this is mean.. but I could see Palin believing a child crying is a form of rebellion and his rebellious spirit needs to be broken!
Creepy things go on in wing nut churches
One discipline I am not very familiar with but have heard about is a form of pinching a nerve.. when a child acts up in public, you bring them close to you "quietly" as to appear the loving christian mother.. and pinch a spot on them.. it hurts like the dickens and is a form of discipline that doesn't leave scars
They are firm believers in making sure children don't allow satan to get in them.. if a kid acts up (or just is a normal kid.. ) it is their parental duty to step in .. spare not the rod
she just seems so twisted .. I would not put it past her to use these type rearing principles
I posted this on Audrey's blog a few months ago. It's really easy to log onto the Alaska State board of licensing a lodge a complaint against a professional. I wanted to lodge acomplaint against the license of Cathy BJ. You can do it online or in print and mail it in. I never did it because 1) i chickened out and 2) Audrey said since it didn't happen to me, i have very little justification. However, what if we inundated the site eith complaints? Wouldn't the board have to investigate?? Maybe CBJ will honor her profession and clear her good name??
ReplyDeleteI was pregnant and chose to keep the "memento". It's not that far fetched. HOWEVER, if you were not happy with the resulta and wished to keep it a secret, well then I'd throw the stick in a can and recycle the can!!!
Clue X Four
ReplyDeleteIt might be confusing that Levi doesn't know how Sarah got pregnant, if you know that he (Levi) is the father of Sarah's baby (and that he knows that he is).
Do possible sons-in-law go to the hospital and get a bracelet?
Me and Mrs. Jones/ we got a thing going on
I can only post as anon as for some reason my google account isn't working. i tried changing passwords and still no help. I was posting as comeonpeople.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing could drive anyone to drink. The only thing clear is that SP did not give birth to Trig. Trying to figure out anything else makes my head spin. I do think Kassie's theory--that Levi is afraid of being charged with fraud, could have merit. So does the possibility that Trig is not Bristol's and SP lied to her kids too.
ReplyDeleteLike others I immediatley said WTF re the claim that Willow found the pregnancy test. Who would keep that?! However, Sarah is such a loon it's just possible that she got a hold of someone else's test and kept it so she could offer it as "proof" to doubting family. I wish there was a way to get some hair samples and run our own DNA tests. It may be the only way the truth will ever out.
No worries about the SarahPac ad by Goggle on this website.....every time you click on it...Gryphen makes money and it costs Sarah. Click away!
ReplyDeleteI have to chime in the Levi story. Got the magazine last week and read it all. What surprised me most was the blandness to the story. That may just be Levi, but the article was flat.
ReplyDeleteWhy would VF publish something like that without possible behind the scene knowledge that can't be revealed now, but may come with another article at a later date.
There have been 4 (?) articles about Palin, Levi, etc. Each spaced a few or several months apart. They started with the first mention of Palin in VF before the election. Since the election there have been three others. Magazines can be sued for outright libel if the article is full of lies, so rest assured there is more to come.
I feel sure that Levi has been told exactly what he can and can't say. His lawyer may have even called Palin and asked her for comments. So she knows something is coming out.
I think something or someone may be sitting on her or preventing her from speaking out. Gag order? I don't think plastic surgery would keep her quiet. That's a privilege she might want to brag about. Kind of "See me? Guess you can't notice, huh?"
Maybe the divorce is being hammered out.
All guesses, but I think we will find soon enough.
Anne S @ 5:14 - The method of discipline you described isn't necessarily something christian fundamentalists engage in. My mother used this method to disclipline. I can't tell you how many times she would draw us in close, pinch us hard (sometimes leaving fingernail marks), while telling us not to make a sound. I am sure that the casual observer would only have seen a "good" mother talking to her child.
ReplyDeleteOn the Vanity Fair site there is an article titled "A SHE-WOLF IN PARIS."
ReplyDeleteTurns out, it's about Shakira, but for a minute there, I thought XINO might have surfaced. LOL.
My theory is that anyone with real, substantial and damaging information on Palin or anyone/anything in her life is they're waiting for the BIGGER payoff. Right now any juice on her is only so effective. She decides to run for some type of office again or god forbid President, that's when they talk......when the story is far, far more valuable. Media loves to take someone down especially in the heat of a frenzied campaign.
ReplyDeleteThose with the real dirt know this too and then they'll come out with it. Until they know she's not going to go bigger they'll holding on to what they have.
I haven't read the entire VF article. I have never totally bought the BP x 2 story. I am beginning to think that little Trig is someone elses baby entirely...maybe Todd's drug addict sister? Perhaps Trigg was adopted as a political prop to impress the right wing christians. It seems unbelievable and callous, but hey, look who we are talking about. People have done crazy things for power and money. One other thing, Trig appears to have blonde/red hair. Does anyone else in the family has that coloring?
ReplyDeleteTake care of yourself first and foremost Gryphen. Cover your angles and watch your back. There's a new sheriff controlling Namebrand Palin and he's a media kingpin. You'll have to outsmart Doc Murder every step of the way. Get good strategic and legal advice and back yourself up in spades.
ReplyDeleteIn response to someone who asked what's going on with Lanesia--I've found a MySpace person who has a public site from whose friends collection a lot of the players can be found. Lanesia's photo a couple of months ago showed her with a baby. I've been wondering about that. She also is listed as living in Colorado. Mercede has had quite a number of photos for her site and the latest is her and another girl in sexy evening dresses in a provocative pose together. Others images have been with her family and another more wholesome picture with a girlfriend. Most of the sites are set to private so you can only see their photo and what they say their mood is. I've hesitated to post anything in case I scare them into even further invisibility. I don't know what any of it means but it's fun to check from time to time.
ReplyDeleteHow about this: Bristol was PG with T1, SP said put it up for adoption, and they did. Or said they did. So the party line could be "Bristol was never PG because no baby," right? She was just with her aunt all that time due to mono, or something.
ReplyDeleteBut the real plan was just as Levi said SP suggested: SP adopts the recycled T1 -- the baby supposedly (perhaps actually, at least per legalities) given up for adoption. Only she does not call it adoption, she fakes a pregnancy and claims she gave birth. I understand that SP's church has ways to fast-track legal adoptions in that abstinence-only world they live in.
So does Levi know about this? Of course -- he visited Bristol during her T1 pregnancy. D'ya think he might have hugged her? Did he promise to know nothing? Yes. Yes. He was not supposed to realize Bristol was PG, and he was still playing dumb and gullible, all through the VF piece. Just going' with the flow, a dead fish in the wake of SP's ambition. Smart guy.
He plays dumb also when Bristol asks him to go to the hospital with her to be there for SP's "birth" of Trig. Levi goes, because he knows how hideous it will be for Bristol, after having adopted out her baby, to be present at the "birth" of SP's baby -- again, the recycled T1. So when SP "had" T1, Levi was just going along with the party line, playing dumb to protect himself and his ticket to be with Bristol and her baby (T1). Doesn't matter who the dad of T1 is -- it's still Bristol's, so plenty of reason to love it.
So now he reported the party line in VF. Playing dumb, it was the truth. Plenty of people have been and still are taken in by the SP hoax. Why not Levi? Let's play that "disingenuous card" to the hilt. He just didn't realize -- just like the NYTimes. Are they lying to us? Oh nooooo. Just didn't realize. Sure. Levi can play that game too.
But soon, a rock-solid piece of evidence will materialize to reveal SP's duplicity beyond doubt.
Then Levi can have his official "Aha!" moment and "realize" the hoax that was perpetrated upon the American voters and also upon him. Just like the MSM who just didn't realize. Then he can sell his book.
What do you think?
why so many posting as "anon" here? I don't want to meet Rupert or his pals in a dark alley. Do you?
ReplyDeleteAttacking the Doctor: I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's a total waste of time. Patient privacy is covered under HIPPA. Even if she was sitting in her office slobbering to tell the truth, she cannot do it without written consent from the patient (whoever she is).
ReplyDeleteFor those not in the medical field, HIPPA is Rigidly enforced and fines for breach of confidence begins at $10,000 - $25,000. Hospitals, RNs, MDs - they are really really really (to quote Rachel) careful with this.
You cannot file a complaint with anyone and get any information. You're wasting time, energy and resources. HIPPA is Federal and the physician is bound by it legally. She could also lose her licensure.
I know it seems like an answer but trust me on this, as a physician's wife, they do NOT deal in patient confidentiality. It will not happen. Even if she wanted to talk, she can't. Their lips are sealed legally.
if an insurance company was defrauded, wouldn't they want to know? I mean how many medical insurance companies would be involved? 1/2?
ReplyDeleteAnon at 4:15 and other people who have expressed the idea about Levi signing some kind of contract whose breach would result in loss of visitation-- I'm a lawyer and I can tell you that no court would enforce it. I'm inclined to think he's trying to look out for his mother. He might also be trying to look out for the kids. Either way, I don't see how he can protect everyone, and in the meantime I think he's starting to look unreliable.
ReplyDelete@anon 5:37 ~
ReplyDeleteIsn't it ironic that basically BTQ$Pac pays Gryphen when we click on their ad?
Who would have thought it figured...
(my apologies to Alanis)
basheert -- as a kid in medical family, I agree with you 100%. But isn't it also true that there's a grapevine among professionals -- they share that confidential info (at times) at the dinner table with peers -- who are likewise bound to strict confidentiality -- and nothing ever does leak.
ReplyDeleteSpecifically, I am asking: isn't it likely that Dar (the former NICU nurse who died in a suspicious fire of her house) would have known through her professional grapevine all the details of various births of interest at the MatSu NICU?
I say it is 100% likely that she knew all.
Sarah had Trig. Levi is the father. Grab a dirty diaper and get a DNA sample.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we should place so much importance on what Levi does or does not say.
ReplyDeleteWe need to understand who he is and the various forces that are influencing him now.
BOTTOM LINE--SARAH PALIN DID NOT GIVE BIRTH TO TRIG.
I don't care who did. I wish all the children and young people well.
BUT SP is an unhealthy, dishonest "would be" leader. Her lying about the pregnancy must be exposed.. just like her lies about so many other issues. This is where the focus should be.
My second thought -- just as there was a
"Where's Sarah" button campaign in Alaska when she was GINO but MIA most of the time, how about a "WHY did Sarah Quit---Really?" campaign.
This might shed some light for those who are not ready to look at babygate and it would also clearly show how phony her current efforts are.
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ReplyDeleteThe National Enquirer has a new story up on its website about Levi and Palin, including an interview with Levi's sister Mercede.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 3:47 re: Dr. CBJ's knowledge: Because of HIPAA regulations(Basheert is right on the money re: fines/loss of license etc), Dr. CBJ cannot disclose anything, even if she materially knows it is untrue, without the patient's express written authorization. For that matter the same regs apply to all healthcare professionals - nurses, lab techs, housekeepers at the hospital, insurance company workers, claims processors, etc.
ReplyDeleteI actually maintain that all the knowledge Dr. CBJ gained and put in her infamouse letter came well after the fact, and was provided by Sarah herself, without independent corroboration of Dr. CBJ having seen any medical records regarding SP's self-alledged pregancy. It is extremely common, especially with OB/GYN history, for patients to disclose prior medical history (like if you see a new physician for example) and that info goes into the physician's chart/medical record for that patient, becoming part of the legal medical record. This could have been how it occured that Dr. CBJ was given the info, wrote the letter about SP's medical history, and would not be technically "lying" or defrauding anyone. No where in that letter did Dr. CBJ say she actually delivered T1. I think Sarah later told her because of the alleged pre-knowledge that T1 also had DS, Sarah had to see a high risk OB/GYN (instead of Dr. CBJ), and gave Dr. CBJ a rundown of history according to SP - the DS testing done, issues at birth, etc.
Anon @ 5:00 - re: insurance fraud - specific insurance benefit information has been forwarded to those working on the babygate issue. I strongly believe that no fraud occured, and can assure you that if there was high dollar claims involved for T1's hospital care, any fraud would have been caught - like trying to add an ineligible dependent to someone's insurance plan. Trust me on that - signed a health insurance company veteran x too many years to count.
anon@6:46: Yes of course physicians talk among themselves especially when people are seeing multiple physicians in (for example) a clinic setting.
ReplyDeleteThat wasn't what was being discussed - it was trying to get the doc to talk via some type of complaint.
I actually know a ton of hubs patients - and their stories - but he is in kind of a unique field and my Foundation Work dovetails with his professional life. It's hard to explain but our Foundation provides family support for patient families. Frequently I end up telling him about someone he will be seeing - that I know about and he doesn't.
But never ever ever beyond the two of us. I was an Admin to a Chief of Surgery and I learned my rules well.
It's HIPAA.
ReplyDeleteCan't anyone complain anonymously to a health insurance company about fraud? I am pretty sure you can. But what was Sarah's and Bristols health insurance?
ReplyDeleteI think the strangest thing of all is that Sarah has not been seen now for what 6 or 7 weeks?? That is very very strange. For someone who loves the camera and thrives on drama? The obsession and taunting of President Obama and the facebook notes and oped are also beyond creepy and strange! There are hundreds of real examples of her writing and speaking. They are trying to put her snark in but it's not her. Plus since when is Palin such a Republican-she hasn't been. I think the 1000 speaking engagement number was made up and the posts are by Meg with someone helping her.
I think Palin is in rehab or locked up in a mental ward and until she can have live real two way discussions about these issues, she should not be given a voice. Report her facebook site as fraudulent. If she gets an op Ed in a paper write the editor and forcefully state that Palin did not write it.
The defense that other politicians have ghost writers is bullshit because Sarah doesn't even have a job. And those other politicians still appear live and have some understanding of the issues.Sarah doesn't like details or policy -those are her words. We have to demand an end to this lie to the public. I cancelled my WSJ subscription and I told them why. One person doesn't matter but thousands/millions do. Let's nab this phony bitch. Forget waiting for Levi.
Who is Lanesia?? Can someone fill me and others who might no know about her, in on the details?
ReplyDeleteLanesia was seen in Wasilla. I don't know when. I hear she move back ad did nursing school, she and Bristol kiss and made up. I don't know how reliable that is. I think she saw Bristol and ababy. Levi was dumb to dump her and make her a scorn woman. She has more to her and for all time that is who she will be forever. Poor forsaken and forgotten young love, first cut hurt deepest Lanesia. She and Bristol together would be trouble for Levi. Mercede is smart enough to have her own advice for teen show. Why isn't she moving up from the tabloid leak noise. She and Levi are both losing cred. Todd will buy them both a car if they do porn. Why did Levi leave when his mother went to prison? That boy better have good reason. I won't buy his book if he got nothing to proove what he say.
ReplyDeleteGoogle Lanesia Garcia during 2009 and you'll get some info about her being arrested as well as her getting a scholarship.
ReplyDeleteTo Dr. Who at 7:37 p.m. - Sarah is recovering from a face lift.
ReplyDeleteWhen looks are your only currency, you betcha that you are going to fight to the death to lift that sagging middle-aged face.
We will see a new "refreshed" Sarah soon. As stupid as Sarah is, I assume she was smart enough not to use Greta Van Suck Up's surgeon. Greta has one scary face.
Agree about the facelift--the recuperation is long, and people tend to look pretty severe for a few months/years after they have them.
ReplyDeleteI predict that Sarah will re-emerge with a brand-new hairstyle, new glasses (or no more glasses), and different makeup. It is standard for actresses to change everything up when they have had facework, so that folks concentrate on the other things (like a new 'do) instead of the tight face.
Another point to consider. I'm not convinced that Trig is a Down's Syndrome baby as opposed to a fetal alcohol syndrome baby.
ReplyDeleteIf the latter is true, that would be another reason for Levi to be complicit -- to hide that terrible secret. I can't think of anything worse than a fetal alcohol syndrome baby, other than perhaps a "mother" calling her son "the retarded one."
EVER SINCE SARAH RESIGNED: Someone has taken over, such as Murdoch, & he's not going to let the truth out. Thus, the threats to Audrey. And paying everyone else off, or theatening them as well.
ReplyDeleteSomeone else is pulling the strings now, not Sarah, & I fear the truth never comes out. Her power broker obviously can't have that. After all this time, I thought we would finally hear the truth, very disappointing.
@ claudianyc:
ReplyDeleteI remember one of the stories about Bristol telling SP she was pregnant, maybe the story as told by Sherry Johnston, who would have been reporting secondhand presumably, went that Sarah didn't believe Bristol and started laughing. (I think this was the one in People magazine?) Then Bristol supposedly started waving the positive pregnancy test in her face. I am assuming this was one of those home pregnancy tests.
If this version is true, I can see Sarah snatching the test away and not giving it back. Perhaps even forcing Bristol to take another test to prove it for sure.
This could have been done back in a master bath off of the bedroom Todd apparently doesn't share. Then later on Willow may have found the test that was actually Bristol's. I wouldn't have put it past Sarah to keep the test as she was starting her fake pregnancy, then leave it so Willow could conveniently find it.
Because one thing I do think is that Sarah put the fake pregnancy over on all the kids, except Bristol. The older ones may suspect, but even they may not know for sure, depending on what the missing parts of the puzzle are.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/levi_johnston_coverup_charges_ignites_palin_war/celebrity/67283
ReplyDeleteMercede Johnston told The ENQUIRER in an exclusive interview: "I stand by what my brother says."
In one bombshell, 19-year-old Levi charged that the former vice presidential candidate wanted him and her daughter Bristol to take part in a shocking cover-up after learning Bristol was pregnant with his baby.
While the claim sparked immediate reaction, Levi's sister insists: "It's absolutely true that Sarah asked Levi and Bristol to give up the baby, and she wanted to cover up the whole thing by having her and her husband Todd adopt the baby.
"This should show the public that this woman was not fit to be the vice president - she's a liar and a manipulator. Her (plan) was calculating, devious and irresponsible."
Lanesia is the hot one. The real deal. Not like Bristol. i can't see how they were BFF. She aren't stupid, she took in everthing and smarter then Levi or sis. Pay no attention to sis.
ReplyDeleteI am not as familiar with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. I do know Palin stated several times stated the week she had amnio and many people said that the date was wrong. I wish I could remember the details but it was something like Sarah had her amnio in week 15 and all these experts said that couldn't be-that that was a very dangerous time to have an amnio and no woman would havebit then. From this, it was obvious Sarah was lying big time... Does anyone remember this or know the details?? And why does a pro life woman have an amnio??
ReplyDeleteFacelifts have improved markedly in the past ten years. Expect her to look plump and refreshed, not tight and pulled.
ReplyDeleteHer jawline will be the tell all. No more double chin, no more folds around her mouth.
She will have had facelift with fat transfers, most likely. Meaning, she'll look like she did in her mid thirties.
Yes, 6-7 weeks recovery time is normal. Also, if she had fat transfer work to her lips, she won't be able to show her face for at least 8 weeks.
Used to work for famous plastic surgeon:-)
Gryphen, I am somewhat puzzled by your reaction to the VF article, as it has been out for over a week now in NY and LA. With so much of it transcribed on other blogs, and all the ensuing discussion, I would have assumed there is nothing in it we haven't already heard about.
ReplyDeleteWe already know that Levi's story appears to contradict what you and others believe really happened, and there has been much speculation in the comments over the past week about the possible reasons for that. So why the strong reaction after reading the article today? Are there some new revelations we haven't heard yet? Even in the Enquirer article where Mercede says "It's absolutely true that Sarah asked Levi and Bristol to give up the baby...", she never says which baby.
You actually sounded more confident about your sources last week when the VF story first came out than you do today. I hope that's not the case, or we may never the truth about this.
amy, she will never emerge without glasses - she may or may not have vision problems but she needs corrective specs because one of her eyes (the right, from memory) is crossed.
ReplyDeleteBasheert;
ReplyDeleteYou absolutely can lodge a claim against a doctors license for poor practice. It has absolutely nothing to do with HIPPA. You can complain that she practices unsafe medicine by telling pregnant high risk women leaking amniotic fluid to fly on long airplane rides. I was a nursing supervisor so I know that complaints are lodged against doctors and nurses' licenses regularly. I have done a ton of soul searching on this, and if I knew something, (i.e. I was a nurse who took care of Trig and the story of him going home in a day was false) I'd take my chances with Hippa fine and jailtime, especially if Palin becomes a serious presidential candidate. I care about my country that much.
Again, anyone can lodge a claim against CBJ medical license regardless of Hippa. (People need to really understand what Hippa's imtent with. Like most things, it has become this big catch all and being called on for any all reason. Use critical thinking and read what it's intent is really about).. It's public record that CBJ said ok to fly without being examined, per Sarah.
Trig is most definitely not a FAS child, they present far different facial and skeletal and developmental anomalies. He's definitely DS, and a cutie!
ReplyDeleteAs to insurance fraud, there would be none even if Trig was someone else's baby - Bristol's or someone elses - if Palin already had it set up through lawyers (and we know she's got a gut load of 'em) to adopt the baby prior to birth.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't know about Alaska adoption laws - but in NY where I was born and adopted, the original BC is put under seal, and a new, official one is issued with the names of the adoptive parents entered, and all the other hospital stuff remaining the same.
I still think it is someone else's baby, or Trig was born a few months earlier to Bristol and then Palin hustled up with the fake-o padding for (less than!) two months and then claimed him as hers.
It's possible that even Levi wouldn't know about this, as Bristol was out of town for most of that time?? Maybe not even his. . .
Then Bristol got pregnant again, and with the increased national scrutiny there was no cover up possible.
I agree with the lawyer above: no court would enforce a contract that makes child visitation the price of a breach of contract. It would be void as against public policy, as the interests of the child control in such issues.
ReplyDeleteHowever, putting aside that I hope any court would have a huge issue in the power differential (and inherent compulsion) where the chief executive of a state is involved in a contract with a teenage boy, it is possible that some contractual arrangement follows the money: what if there was an agreement to place the baby in someone's care, and the price of a breach of a disclosure agreement were that the teenage father had to compensate the other party for all the actual costs that had been incurred or might be incurred in the future in the child's care?
Gryph, I think you need to remember that the lawyer & a body guard are still with Levi. There is no way a lawyer & body guard would work for free. NO WAY.
ReplyDeleteSo why? It makes no sense unless he knows something that will make bucks for the lawyer & the body guard. There is still more to come I am sure of it.
Good luck with your sources!
Like Bristol (if true), I had a very severe case of mono in my Junior year of high school. Every morning when I rolled out of bed, I puked. I am sure my mother thought I was pregnant, but mono causes the spleen to enlarge. I was in the hospital for several weeks and forced to stay home from school (with strict orders not to have contact with any of my school friends) for nearly two months. During the ordeal, I lost 25 pounds. When I look at the pictures of Bristol before and after the mono stage, I do not see a drastic drop in weight.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at all of the Palin children, the only child that does not look like Todd is Track. This might account for the statement that the marriage was doomed from the start. I have wondered for some time whether Track belongs to Todd or if Todd ended up being suckered in to marriage. Often thought if Sarah had really loved Todd, they would have married earlier unless she was holding out for something better.
Gryph- While Levi states Sarah does not drink, I thought I read somewhere that in the early 90s Sarah had her own barstool at a place called Four Corners. What is your opinion on whether she drinks or not?
ReplyDeleteI know insurance fraud has been bantered about before, but I like the anon poster, at logic...
ReplyDelete"I would wager that there is definitely a money angle here, and I think it probably has to do with insurance (ironic, since Sarah is actively trying to thwart efforts to ensure that everyone, regardless of health status or income, has access to decent affordable healthcare).
If Bristol birthed Trig, as I believe is highly likely, she probably had maternity coverage, although someone should check whether maternity benefits are covered for minor dependents under Alaska's government health benefits. But Trig himself wouldn't have been covered - a very bad thing for a baby with serious health issues (but hell no, we don't need healthcare reform).
Now, of course, if Sarah adopted Trig, he would be covered, but here's the kicker -- insurance coverage wouldn't be retroactive until birth and wouldn't kick in until the adoption was finalized.
So when was Trig adopted, or has he been? If he was adopted, who paid for his pre-adoption medical bills (which I assume were astronomical). Is anyone, including Levi, a party to insurance fraud?
Follow the money."
Then, at 7:17, another anon responds...
"Anon @ 5:00 - re: insurance fraud - specific insurance benefit information has been forwarded to those working on the babygate issue. I strongly believe that no fraud occured, and can assure you that if there was high dollar claims involved for T1's hospital care, any fraud would have been caught - like trying to add an ineligible dependent to someone's insurance plan. Trust me on that - signed a health insurance company veteran x too many years to count."
Really?
In answer to the skepticism some of you expressed, I will admit to having a kid in college and the pregnancy test for her conception on my bookshelf (it's a test tube in a special stand). I'm an artist, in a way it's kind of like the documentation for a performance art piece. But mostly it's sentimental, as a totally unique memento of a very exciting time in my life.
ReplyDeleteI don't see Sarah Palin doing something so life-affirming regarding her kids.
I also have a bedroom separate from my husband as he snores badly. I recall that Todd told Fox News at one point that he and his "buddies" built their 4 bedroom house. So if Sarah has one, and Todd allegedly has one, and presumably Track had one, did that mean the girls all shared a room when Track was still living at home?
The NE with Mercede is feeding a feud. Something isn't right. If Levi and Mercede were willing to talk with people that know the right questions I might believe what they are selling.
ReplyDeleteI would think better of a publication that was asking better questions. If they want to save the best for the book that is what they do. It could be handled with better tease questions and answers. No one is asking Levi if there have been any DNA tests around Trig or Tripp.
No one is going to produce an official birth certificate. Someone needs to start answering or trying to answer other pertinent questions. The Johnston's are looking like sell outs with no intention to help deal with the loose ends. It benefits to have a "feud" but that is showmanship to sell their books.
This is far from over. I hope everyone ends up in a court room and gets their due for perpetrating a dangerous hoax.
I looked up Lanesia and she did get a scholarship from
Valley Hospital Association, Mat-Su Health Foundation
950 E. Bogard Road Wasilla
http://www.matsuhealthfoundation.org/scholarships.php
Is that part of the church that Palin attends?
Didn't Bristol wanted to be a nurse at one time? Mercede strives to be a surgeon. Those are good aspirations. The young of Wasilla have some good mentors and teachers to encourage them.
Lanesia was close to Bristol and her family until she lost Levi. She may not know first hand details and who was pg. She may have forgiven Bristol or not.
If she doesn't have any reasons to protect someone she has an valuable pieces to the puzzle.
What kind of influence does the hospital and church in Mat-Su deal?
If the Token Hippie is right this is the biggest political scandal in our lifetime. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/09/token-hippie-has-some-very-important.html
If anyone likes the information or photos on a blog, you might want to download it, in case it disappears.
I am troubled with the church and hospital. Dr. Baldwin-Johnson won't go against HIPPA. That doesn't mean there aren't other ways to deal with her. If TH is right, the Dr. is just another criminal. As it is now all her honors don't vindicate her from what we are told about the birth of Trig. She was part Sarah's abortion scheme if we are to believe the "official" version. From what I understand, she is a religious woman and killing in uterus is murder. Are we to believe she is a well educated good Christian woman who is a complete incompetent idiot when it comes to her field of expertise?
Gryphen, keep well and safe. Might you be able to do an update soon?
I don't understand the comments about not discussing or allowing discussion about other sites on this site. Obviously something happened there.
ReplyDeleteSo before something happens to you and this site, why don't you tell us what your sources are saying. Just SAY IT! Then let others decide what they believe or work on it from here.
My money is on the Mrs. Robinson angle. That picture of her stroking his face at the RNC. The gaze in her eyes. The dysfunction in that family.
Finally: I've always wondered who insured T2 even! I mean how does this uneducated, unemployed, unmarried girl insure the birth of a baby, the first the second the healthy the challenged? What does it matter? Who has been paying for birthin' all these babies?
I am also puzzled by Gryphen's surprise at the VF article.
ReplyDeleteThe contents of it, esp. Levi's comments regarding Trig's birth (Sarah HAD Trig) have been blogged about for about a week now.
Lanesia is a unique name,and I know one- I'm wondering if it is the same person? Is she a tiny little thing- soccer player? The age matches up, but I can't find pics online to match up the one I know of with the Palin saga.
ReplyDelete8:18 AM ~ Are you in Wasilla? Can someone post the picture of Lanesia from her MySpace?
ReplyDeleteFrom what I'm told she is athletic. Gorgeous and all around superior to Bristol. Bristol is a jealous twerp and takes after her mother. Levi was out of his mind, under the influence of something, to be tricked by Bristol. Levi is still a tool. Does anyone notice that no one talks about the drinking part of what happened? Levi and Mercede were no saints. They were main players in the popular circle. Movers and shakers of tiny Wasilla.
Are the church people getting to Lanesia with some quid pro quo? I doubt she gets the whole situation but there is plenty she could say. It would be to Sarah's benefit for her to keep quiet or to be on Levi's leash. I've heard rumors as to who Sherry's informants are. We need to get that information and everything protecting what went down with the bust in December of 2008.
In answer to the person trying to figure out if the Lanesia they know is the one connected to the Palin's--here is the image from her myspace (which is set to private so image and mood is all that can be seen)
ReplyDeletehttp://tiny.cc/8acYt
I believe Anon @ 9:37 PM is absolutely right -- not only Sarah Palin but her ENTIRE family are under interdict by Murdoch (a new Mafia? -- the Murdoch Mafia?) to not talk about anything. With the protection Levi has, they can't do much about him or his family, other than what's already been done to them by Palin's McCain handlers.
ReplyDeleteSnow White @ 7:33 AM today, I believe Todd probably slept/sleeps in a recliner chair in his office -- my husband did that frequently, because he was often quite tired after a long day (he was near retirement age, but was doing construction in a family business), and often I didn't disturb him just to get him into bed, because he snores too!!
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To follow the thoughts amy posted @ 8:49 PM as well as Anon @ 10:29 PM, Sarah Palin has a lot to "fix" if she indeed has had plastic surgery.
She probably saw an eye surgeon to fix the wandering left eye, which would eliminate the need for her "sexy" glasses -- a big mistake, IMO, because those glasses set her apart, made her unique. And that kind of surgery at her age could be risky -- it could make the crossing worse, or have her eye go in the opposite direction, like Marty Feldmann.
She needed work on her neck, where turkey wattles were beginning to appear, so she's probably all tucked up there now, but with some hideous post-op bruising.
She's probably had the crow's-feet at the corners of her eyes treated with injections of silicone or fat from her belly, and the same procedure done on the bracket wrinkles from her nose to the corners of her mouth. I hope she was smart enough to refuse silicone or fat injections of her lips...IMO that NEVER improves the looks of anybody who has the procedure done.
If I were advising her about any one procedure, I'd suggest she have something done about her monkey ears -- they need to be pinned back a bit, or made smaller.
Lastly, her hair loss as reported by her loose-lips-and-regretting-it hairdresser was probably fixed, too, by a series of hair plugs, as well as laser treatments to remove the incipient mustache and chin whiskers that frequently sprout in women nearing menopause.
Any one of these procedures, one at a time, probably wouldn't be noticed...but if she's been under wraps since early August recovering from ALL of them, she's got to be a mess to behold, and it's no wonder she hasn't been seen.
And there's always the chance that any one of the procedures done in such a short time has over-challenged her body -- which was already under a great deal of stress -- and she's had some unfortunate results or delayed healing.
That would be too bad.... :/
Thanks for the Lanesia photo. Did she have a baby? Is that Bristol's son, Tripp or Trig?
ReplyDeleteI am curious about the baby in the Lanesia photo as well...IMO it looks strongly like Levi.
ReplyDeleteWhy would Levi know so much about Sarah's pjs( (has every possible color from WalMart)? How many mothers parade around in their pjs in front of their daughter's boyfriend?
ReplyDeleteThe October Vanity Fair finally showed up here in Atlanta. I'm stunned. Frankly, Levi's article is either a masterpiece of coded information or it's 100% bullshit. On page 218, not 10 paragraphs into the article, I read: "Throughout the years I spent with them, . . . " Years? YEARS??
ReplyDeleteDoes that cover the years when Todd and his buddies were supposed to have built that house? Maybe Levi is quietly begging for some law enforcement agency to subpoena him, so he can finally tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Although even the chicanery involved in that apparent crime wouldn't be enough to bring down a huge chunk of the Republican party. Maybe it's back to an earlier thread: just exactly what are the many interlocking connections between the Johnston and Palin families?
Now I'm going to soothe my soul with some of the story of an elegant lady and how she coped with the nation's nightmare in 1963. grammy
I have no idea about the baby--can't see her page as it's private. She does post party type comments on other people's pages. She looks radiant in this photo so I just don't understand why these kids are wasting themselves the way they do according to their comments... By browsing the friend collections I frequently come across pregnant teenaged girls proudly showing off their bellies. It must be a subculture I know nothing about. Reading the comments and looking at all the photos where the girls look like, well, prostitutes is so depressing. I can't look for very long....
ReplyDeleteHow many teens and young ladies are having babies around Wasilla? They would worship a preggers figure like Sarah Palin with Triggy Bear. Mercedes Johston is up on style and fashion. She and her friends would have noticed and wanted to know how she does it.
ReplyDeleteShe possibly is able to date from her camera the photos with Triggy Bear that were posted on May 5.
She could fill in some blanks if she can talk to the right interviewer. At some time they may want to sound more honest.
The tabloid and porn info has a short life.
I don't know all the times Levi was living or keeping his stuff with the Palin household. Did he see her around the time of the picture where her stomach is flat as a pancake? Did he see her two weeks later when she was large and round?
I would like to hear him talk about what he thought was going on with her changes.
As far as the hospital at 6 am. The Heath family was there. He could have been invited. He did not say in detail what he saw. The baby pictures on that day show a chubby cheek baby. The Triggy Bear pictures show a thinner baby.
Whatever the Johnstons are getting out of this it better be close to Murdock's fortune to make it worthwhile.
Lynn,
ReplyDeleteI have wanted to see a photo of Lanesia. Would you mind if I use it? She does look familiar.
Would anyone know who the baby is? What happened to Johnny Chandler? Are there photos of him?
Any third party can lodge a complaint against a medical professional's license. I still think this is the way to try to get CBJ to talk. Let me give you a first hand example I know about and then lets extrapolate it to the Palin situation:
ReplyDeleteA nurse neighbor of a sick child was told by the sick childs mother that the homecare nurse did not properly clean the intravenous site before hooking up tubing to the IV. The nurse neighbor then lodges a complaint against the nurse's license with the State board of nursing. (This is hard core and the neighbor shoudl have started with the homecare company, not the state board) nonetheless, the state board then needs to investigate the homecare company: What are the industry standards for cleaning an IV, what are the best practices, did the nurse go against policy and procedure?? The complaint is investigated and is either dismissed and no mark on the professional or it is investigated and closed and the professional always has to explain the situation if future employers check with the state board.
So for the good doctor Johnson, one could complain that she practiced poor medicine by alledgedly approving for Palin to fly while in a high risk pregnancy leaking amniotic fluid. The state board would investigate industry standards, see what standards other OBs, midwives use. The case and complaint will then be dismissed or closed. HIPPA has nothing to do with it. When you have a complaint against you , when you are in front of that board you have to give details - your license is on the line. I was always amazed that no midwie group or OB never questioned publicly this doctors alledged advice. It certainly is complaint worthy. So, why don't we start complaining????
That was always my thought as well, that no REAL OB/GYN would give such a direction over the phone. At the very least, he/she would have had told Palin to have herself checked out at an ER or arranged for a local OB/GYN to examine her before traveling.
ReplyDeletePalin's doctor was just a family practitioner, but I can't believe that even a general like her would have given that sort of advice to a patient CARRYING A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD WHO MOST LIKELY WOULD NEED CRITICAL MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY AT BIRTH, with a real pediatrician attending the delivery.
It was reckless in the extreme, if you believe that Palin really was pregnant at the time, on the part of both doctor and mother.
To me that was always the watershed moment with Palin - either she was pregnant and showed an extremely narcissistic, reckless personality. . .or she was lying. There is no other third option. Either one makes her unfit for public office.
How ProLife folks can support her is entirely beyond me.
Johnny Chandler's myspace photo shows a large posed group of teens. It's just too small and there's no telling which one he is. I'm curious about the phrase RIP mentioned in numerous names of individuals. RIP Tyler is frequent but many other RIP+ a name. I read about a Wasilla teen named Tyler who overdosed? or committed suicide? in another part of the country. Which brings up another surprising thing I've noticed--these kids seem to travel to the lower 48 and resorts much more than I would have expected. Go figure!
ReplyDeleteThe Alaska State Medical Board can take complaints about unprofessional conduct by physicians licensed to practice in the state of Alaska.
ReplyDeleteUnprofessional conduct by a physician in Alaska includes (12 AAC 40.967) any "act or omission" by a medical licensee "that does not conform to the generally accepted standards of practice for the profession for which the applicant seeks licensure or a permit under AS 08.64 or which the licensee is authorized to practice under AS 08.64."
“Unprofessional conduct” also specifically includes: "(27) providing treatment, rendering a diagnosis, or prescribing medications based solely on a patient-supplied history that a physician licensed in this state received by telephone, facsimile, or electronic format..."
(Authority: AS 08.01.070 AS 08.64.100 AS 08.64.326)
Someone in Wasilla MUST know something about something! Pregnancies and births, houses, affairs, Personnel Boards, drug busts, troopers, etc. Why is NO ONE saying anything? Even before Murdoch, how did Palin have so much power? What are people afraid of?
ReplyDeleteGoing after Dr CBJ is such nonsense: SP was not pregnant! Look at the photos. That's bedrock. So if she was not pregnant, how could Dr CBJ be guilty of anything! Dr. CBJ's role in this consists of her name used in a letter that was probably faked, and claims by SP of advice from CBJ. We have NOTHING to indicate actual involvement by CBJ: no direct quotes.
ReplyDeleteJust think a moment: SP's photos reveal she was NOT PREGNANT. It's the clearest possible proof. So how can CBJ have any role in that?
There is renegade arsonist in the area. The church fire and another that is questionable.
ReplyDeletePolice aren't progressing crimes. Critical drug problems so serious that no one can speak.
For a small town there are a lot of deaths. The kids go like flies. When I tried to find some names
mentioned on Myspace, they are not always in obituaries. Too many strange things to say here.
People go on in a happy go lucky no matter what. It is not like life everywhere. They may all
be on a happy drug. It might be the church. There is talk of the Wasilla Mafia. It will take years to
learn about it all. Since it is a big ugly boil it will lance or be lanced.
http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0608/525222.html
ReplyDeleteTyree Graham is the youth that died of an overdose.
Small town people usually don't open up to outsiders. The folks in Wasilla probably have been forced to deal with a lot of outsiders since August of 2008. When all is said and done, these people still have to live and earn a living in the Wasilla area and often are not to anxious to speak on the record. Many probably like the Heath and Palin families and holding their tongues out of respect for the families.
ReplyDeleteI believe, Sarah and Todd are very private people and probably not even close family are aware of what goes on in their home. The body language between Sarah and Todd is interesting especially during the Fairbanks transition speech.
Marcy- Bristol and Levi were on and off again since middle school. So, that is probably what he is referring to when he says, "years". They were "going out" in 7th grade I believe...
ReplyDeleteThanks for the pic of Lanesia- I believe it is the same person. I'll know for sure if she plays soccer again this winter.
ReplyDeleteTruly private people that run for office don't have a grip on reality.
ReplyDeleteSarah announced she was pregnant the first of March.
She only had to eat tacos, wear scarves and pillows for 2 months.
If she bought a strap on pregnant look, it is likely she would keep that private from friends in the house.
Was Levi living in the house during March and April of 2008?
He would have seen her during the museum event when she was not wearing anything and she was flat.
He would have seen her tummy rapidly grow and change and within 2 weeks how remarkably different.
That would get the attention of most people.
He could at least tell us what he thought was going on. Did he ask anyone if that was typical?
There are many people having babies in Wasilla, Levi wanted a hockey baby after his MySpace that said no kids.
I can't believe there was no talk about babies and pregnancy.
If my friends mother was in particularly good form, we talked about that. If they suddenly had a huge tummy it would have
been the talk of the town. If we believed she was pregnant we would want to know how she exercised and how we could do that when we had kids.
Most pregnant women look like Sarah Palin did in the picture when she is huge with Track. That doesn't happen over night or suddenly within 2 weeks.
If the people of Wasilla believe it does, they can explain it to the rest of us. When they won't discuss things they are hiding something.
In this case it is fraud and serious what went on for a federal election. It is serious what she did to her constituents who were tricked into believing she had a Down baby and that she cared for special needs.
If they believe her they would know she put an unborn at high risk when she went on a log flight. The Dr. Baldwin was in on that.
She is the worst Dr. and must be called out on the attempted homicide charge. What kind of evil would allow anyone to get by with that?
I checked again and found a Tyler Beckham who died in a snowmobile accident in 2008. That makes more sense--right name and close to home....
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ReplyDeleteCBJ is involved because Sarah Palin has implicated her as being involved. She has done nothing to clear her own good name. Nothing. It is all over the papers that Sarah said she gave the ridiculous medical advice. That is very poor medicine and as a mom, nurse, thinking human I think CBJ should be held accountable. There is no doctor I know, and i know a hell of a lot of them, who would let bad medical advice on their part be on record without clearing it up STAT. Soemthing is amiss. Something is not as it seems. WHY??????
Let's go!!
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There is no excuse. Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnston must be held accountable.
ReplyDeleteWhatever you believe, either way she is a criminal and has left a child in danger.
Dan Fagan has taken an interest in airing these issues. He believes in the flight where Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnston was consulted.
The more people that get into the discussion the better. He should not be allowed to ignore the flight and claim she couldn't call her child a name, because she is not evil.
Isn't trying to kill a baby evil? If the Tompson lady doesn't want to go on his radio program, perhaps another qualified person would talk about the flight risks on air.
MEANWHILE:
Let's go!!
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some of you commenters are pathetic. You will not believe the truth told by an insider. you are a delusional and pathethic groupd of people. Come on Levi knows the danger of being caught in a lie and the financial threat of libel. He has told the truth and no it does not make him look good.
ReplyDeleteSarah's facade is crumbling. She was no soccer mom, no gun advocate, no hunter, no mother, and no wife. Accept the truth and move on.
Sarah is a fake and a quitter. She is only interested in what she can get out of a situation and wants to be served.
She is nothing like any of you.