I NEVER listen to Dan Fagan, but this was too good to miss. (click the link above for the audio)Can you believe how hard Dan works to dismiss the things Levi has said? What Fagan fails to understand is that Sarah Palin IS crazy.
And if he has trouble swallowing these allegations then I can guarantee he is going to choke to death on the next things to come out.
I stopped linking to the Alaska Standard because they started to get all wingnutty on me. But since this audio is borrowed from that site I am honor bound to provide a link. I am not a Dan fan, but he is not nearly as bad as some of the crazy radio morons around here.
Dan Fagan needs to hear Sarah regarding Lyda Green and read Lee Tompkins and others like her.
ReplyDeleteIf enough people write him he may have Tompkins on his radio program to discuss "evil" for the people who believe what Sarah is saying.
Nasty New Allegations- Coverup Charges
http://syrin.vox.com/library/post/nasty-new-allegations--coverup-charges.html?_c=feed-atom
There is a new picture of Sadie at the State Fair
Rumors say that Bristol was there. For some reason no one took a picture.
Crazy Woman Who Some Say May Have Tried To Kill Her Own Son, Accuses President Obama of Trying to Finish Him Off
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/08/crazy-woman-who-some-say-may-have-tried.html
Essentially, there are four schools of thought on how this crazy woman dealt with her most recent pregnancy, or not:
August 8, 2009
Unbelieveable that someone thinks that they can "know" another person well enough to "guarantee" that they would never say such a thing. Dude (Dan), you obviously have never had experience with someone so mentally effed-up, but believe me, you have know clue at all. My own mother has said things that are unforgivable to we, her own children. Things that her own best friends would not believe.
ReplyDeleteThis Dan guy is lucky to have never experienced someone this mentally ill.
Gryphen at al:
ReplyDeleteDid you see the new note re: Audrey being legally threatened, at PD? If there is a lawsuit, it seems that Palin will have to prove her pregnancy through the court system--including providing Trig's birth certificate, etc. So threatening Audrey could finally bring about some actions towards the real truth about who the mother of that cutie Trig is, right?
Palin is so stupid. If this is Murdoch's counsel, it is so unwise.
And now Audrey could have a defamation case against Palin or at least a prosecutorial abuse case, when vindicated? Now that will bring some MSM reports on the topic for sure! (Legal experts, pls. weigh in if so inclined.)
Please please please everybody! Read Morgan's post at PD, and the conversation going on at Palingates. Audrey, whose blog discussed whether or not Sarah Palin was Trig's birth mother, is under attack. Are these the same crazies who treated our Gryphen so badly?? Can they shut up everybody who writes something unfavorable about Sarah Palin. Levi said some pretty tough stuff in his Vanity Fair interview; are they threatening him too, or is Tank too big a body guard??? Rex too good a lawyer?? Is Sarah the new Tony Soprano, and no one can speak ill of the boss?
ReplyDeleteI don't know why this Fagan guy would think when they tried to kill the kid that that wasn't evil?
ReplyDeleteI heard a bit of the tape yesterday but I had to stop; my ears were hurting. Was that the new, kinder, caring Fagan? I've always found him to be obnoxious in every way regardless of his personality transplant. I don't know if Tank reminded him that Sarah Palin stated in public she considered "aborting" Trig....
ReplyDeleteFrom PD:
ReplyDelete**A NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR**
Hi faithful readers and friends, Morgan here.
Many of you have written expressing concern over Audrey's absence from her blog. Several of you have heard rumors that she was threatened.
Those rumors are, unfortunately, true. Audrey has been threatened. She and her husband took the threats seriously enough to seek legal advice and have decided after consulting with their attorney to suspend posting for the time being.
She has asked me to convey her deep appreciation for the good wishes and support she has and continues to receive from all of you.
Thanks,
Morgan
This is unbelievable.
What I cannot fathom about Dan Fagan's "lalalala-I'm-not-listening" is that a kid who was practically living with the Palins between June-July 2007 and August 2008, and really WAS living with them on the campaign trail and after the election until shortly after Bristol's second baby was born -- or, as Dan Fagan prefers to believe, Bristol and Levi's baby was born -- just might possibly have a bit more insight into Sarah Palin's behavior and character than someone who's "been in her house" on at least one visit for an indefinite period of time (Fagan didn't say).
ReplyDeleteFagan is basing his disbelief on the normal maternal responses of an entirely sane woman toward her offspring.
And poor Tank -- he couldn't blurt out the obvious, not on the air, in public, not without ruining Levi's case against the Palins, legally and literally (or is the word I'm looking for literaturely", as in "literature", Levi's book? [I made that word up])
.....And now I'm going over to PD and palingates to get updated there!
Right or wrong it sounds like Fagan is willing to discuss a few things.
ReplyDeleteToo bad if the opportunity is missed.
I grew up in a house with a Republican and a Democrat. If it was today that would have been a Tea Bagger and an Obama.
The Tea Bagger would have won if it came down to something legal. Not because they were right.
Here is Dan's argument, throughout the "interview" a) Sarah would never have said that, b)he KNOWS Sarah would never have said that, c)Sarah would have to be the most evil mother if she had said that, and Sarah is not evil, hence, she did not say that, d) even if two other people would testify that they heard Sarah say that, Dan would still not believe that she said that, and, to top it off, e) if Sarah herself told Dan that she said that, he STILL wouldn't believe she said that. At this point, Tank is beside himself and says (repeatedly) "You done looooost your miiiiind!"
ReplyDeleteTank also reitterates that "you don't know the whole story yet; you haven't heard all the evidence"
As for "Audrey" at PD, recently she had a post about how come if Sarah is reacting and lashing out at anyone and everyone over the tiniest little things, nobody has ever threatened Audrey or anything related to Babygate? Well, I guess the loonies took her up on that. I wish her well, because she has never ever said anything that doesn't ring true to me, and, in such a blog, of course, the expectation to all reading it is that everything posted there, including comments, are all OPINIONS, and we all have a perfect right to our opinion of how Sarah's story of Trig's birth does not make sense, and we have a perfect right to offer our theories on what may have taken place instead of what the whacked-out version Sarah has put forth. So, I don't think Audrey has anything to worry about legally, but I do see why she might be concerned about possible actions of the loonie followers of "Saint Sarah". I'm glad she has an attorney, however.
All we are asking.....is for the truth. All the people who ever voted for this woman need to know the truth about the lies of this woman, and apparently they are LEGION.
GRYPHEN PLEASE GIVE ME AN E-MAIL WHERE I CAN REACH YOU. LIVVY AKA MARGOT
ReplyDeleteAudrey vs. Sarah Palin in court? No wonder Sarah's leaving for China!
ReplyDeleteOK Gryphen, you can GUARANTEE that Dan will choke to death on the next things to come out?
ReplyDeleteNo pressure, but I'm holdin' ya to that!! Maybe a little Heimlich at the very last moment would be in order, though, for compassion's sake.
Oh no, according to TMZ (I know, I know) Levi will be posing for Playgirl. His credibility seems to be shrinking... I guess he didn't get Morgan's letter of advice.
ReplyDeleteLivvy, my e-mail address is gryphen2009@yahoo.com it is located at the top left corner of this blog under the heading "about me".
ReplyDeleteI don't live in Alaska and I don't know who Fagan is, but...
ReplyDeleteI would never say GUARANTEE about what someone may have said in private, even a friend!
Being a radio host, surely he's trying to provoke, maybe even prod additinal info out of Tank. I'm assuming Levi's team will tell a fuller story at one point, if not, they NEED to be provoked.
My feeling is that the threats against Audrey are more personal - ugh! Why isn't that considered blackmail? I am so upset for her. I don't think they would have the nerve to threaten her with libel or slander or whatever the correct legal term is regarding her website's premise; they would have to come up with proof that SP is Trig's birth mother.
ReplyDeleteMy advice is to you and Audrey and others is to take screen shots of everything and print them and fedex them to a friend, family member or some other person you trust as documentation.
ReplyDeleteGreat photo! I <3 Tank and Rex, too, for helping Levi and his family stand up to Sarah.
ReplyDeletescarah strikes again. Its MY first amendment. I imagine the threats at PD are from wingnut fringers not directly from the quitters camp...then again...that is why I am , LOCKED, LOADED and LIBERAL.
ReplyDeletefollow the money to find the truth and follow the truth to earn the money.
Dan Fagan is snowed by the red naughty monkey shoes as all the old farts are.
ReplyDeleteI damn well believe queen quitter would say that about Trig. What how she hold him when she thinks a camera is NOT around...!
Levi, Sadie, Someone, got to spill the beans on this woman! Andrew Sullivan was asking questions and the msm ignored it.
Now PD is shut down.
The truth needs to come out ASAP!
Tank also reiterates that "you don't know the whole story yet; you haven't heard all the evidence"
ReplyDeleteHe and Sadie are both backing up what Levi said in the Vanity Fair article. Which backs up that she had Trig in April of 2008.
Without getting into wiggle room and a later change, that is to say Palin was telling the truth about flying from Texas.
There is to be nothing said or written about the Trig Truther position. That is to be silenced or they are crazy.
How long until that guarantee he is going to choke to death on the next things to come out?
so another blogger runs away.
ReplyDeletelet me know when someone with some g.d. balls starts a blog about babygate and WILL FOLLOW IT THRU WITHOUT RUNNING AWAY. I can't believe people are so friggin scared of this lying p.o.s....
not seeing the threats on Audrey... can someone post a link please???
ReplyDeletesjk, If they are the wingnut fringers who are threatening Audrey and who threatened Grypen, then I can only look at Sarah Palin and admire the kind of hatred that she inspires in her faithful followers. Admire is the wrong word. She is truly frightening.
ReplyDeleteThis whole camp of loonies, t-baggers, just-say-no-to-whatever-obama-says are the exact opposite of what a democracy is supposed to be. Where is the free speech, the discussion, criticism and dialogue?
For the last eight years, if anyone said anything against George W. Bush, they were called a traitor, a terrorist, worse. The wrong T-shirt or bumper sticker meant arrest. These people operate with police-state mentality. This is not what the United States is supposed to be. Especially not this week end when we remember another group of fanatics who tried to destroy us.
I am very worried about why they have chosen to rally behind Sarah. Is she the next empty-suit that they want to see in the presidencey so they can manipulate things? Or is it just that Sarah Palin inspires this kind of hatred? Whatever she inspires, it brings out the worst in the worst kind of people.
Sarah's "retarded one" comment makes me believe she bullied Bristol and Levi into saying they'd give her the baby before anyone knew about the DS. Sarah faked her pregnancy, Trig was born, and then they discovered his problem. But by that point she was "stuck" adopting him. Her attitude toward him shows on her face and in her body language every time she holds him. Her face always scrunches up as if she's just caught of whiff of something that smells foul. I can just imagine her wishing she'd got the "perfect" one instead.
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess showing exactly how Palin faked that pregnancy for that photo-op upset the old ex. That was on Audrey's last post, photos with that empathy belly.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I don't understand is how Bristol being thin, wearing a brown jacket 07-19-08 in the Alaska Report photo, ballooned to the size she was when she walked out on stage with Levi. In about six weeks, I can't explain it. Unless there was a lot of padding up under that dress. FWIW
Morgan and Gryphen: thanks for the post about Audrey's status. Please know there are TONS of us out here who have copied every part of her site and are willing to go quite a distance to help/protect her. Just say the word. Tell us what we can do. Right now, I just want you to know there is GREAT, HUGE support for Audrey + team, plus smoke-out-our ears outrage at what she seems to be up against right now.
ReplyDeleteJust say the word about what we can do. Afer all, Audrey is 100% right. Look at the photos.
For someone asking to a link to whether or not PD is shut down...go to palin deception website, and it is in the COMMENTS section of the first visible post.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, in a previous post you responded to concerns about Audrey that you had been in contact with her and she was "fine" but busy with a project. I assume she was not yet disclosing the going-on.
I also suspect that the threats are of a personal nature concerning "Audrey" and/or her husband. Whatever's happening, scarry stuff.
Regarding the radio show as " too good to miss"... damn those are minutes I have lost for good... listening to 2 grown men yell at each other, yelling *did not - did too* school yard boy argument... too goo to miss my arse... unless one was looking for some new stand up material...
ReplyDeleteTrig is Sarah's baby and Tripp is Bristol's baby.
ReplyDeleteBristol has held that family together as best as she can. That poor girl has been Mama to her sibs while her ego driven mother is off doing her thing. When Bristol has had enough that is when things will get very interesting. Mom is throwing money her way to hold it all down, but that won't last forever, everyone has a boiling point, Bristol hasn't reached hers yet...Todd might crack first, his loyalty has to be wearing thin, especially if it's true the diva isn't even giving him any on top of all the other sh*t he has to put up with..and I saw him at Carrs a couple weeks ago...he's a very good looking man...except for the being a tool thing...Sarah said that about Trig, she got that mean girl Wasilla High mentality - she was trying to be funny...that bitch is so crazy!
The comments about Trig were not that different from her statements about someone's race. I don't recall the person's name. I think a waitress over heard her?
ReplyDeleteThat is her way and attitude that Levi describes.
10:50 AM - If you aren't up to date with what has been going on, I can understand you would feel that way.
ReplyDeleteThis is not something everyone wants to follow.
Most things around Palin are school yard stupid. Both school boys believe Palin tried to kill her baby and they can't mention that.
It is " too good to miss" for other reasons. In time people will see it different. The best is yet to come.
jeesze there are 318 comments...
ReplyDeleteit's certainly not toward the top... again you have a LINK?
PD is posting comments again. Thank goodness.
ReplyDelete10:43
ReplyDeleteHow do Ron Paul followers control a free spirit?
It is scarry because they can extort smart people like that. I can't believe it is only about some books that were written. Everyone knows who the actual people are and they don't have to keep it a secret to protect anyone's job or reputation now.
At some time soon Audrey can make a statement, vague or not. Will the site remain open or be completely removed?
Any suggestions on the best way to continue say it all goes blank tomorrow?
Where is Patrick?
Well, I finally listened to Fagan's interview, I didn't want to. I have a hard time listening to those who believe that woman. Tank seems to be a good friend to Levi. I was struck by his mentioning of PBuchanan. Those are the kind of folks that are involved. Fagan is a fan, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteI believe Tank. I do believe Sarah is a cold-hearted woman; all her actions support that.
midnightcajun @10:28
I read an article in the paper that SP visited the Special Olympics Center on 12-19-07 out of the blue, not a scheduled event, just stopped by. The kids were excited and had photos taken with her. I think she knew then the baby had DS, the test came back positive. And that is why she waited until McCain's announcement before she opened her mouth the very next day.
A little OT but funny post from EOnline regarding why SP should have been the new Idol judge instead of Ellen. Even Hollywood is making fun of her now!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b143518_ellen_shmellensarah_palin_was_robbed.html
My understanding it that the "threatening" of Audrey is not a law suit, but rather the threat to reveal her identity, as well as that of her physician husband (remember, Audrey has mentioned she's married to a physician). Plus perhaps some other details of their lives.
ReplyDeleteThis is being done by the same two scumbags that went after Gryphen.
Maybe Audrey has a legal cause of action against these two for this "threat." But filing a civil suit against them would be counterproductive, as it would just "out" her anyways in the process. So perhaps Audrey has just decided to chill for a while until the threat is overtaken by events.
This is just my own speculation; I have absolutely no inside knowledge.
@dragonflyx2, Someone writing at Palingates offered the following advice: Just Google Audrey and Palin's Deceptions to find the douchbag who is behind this. We are not allowed to use his name here, since he used the same vile tactics against our dear friend. But his method seems to be internet research to uncover embarrassing tidbits about the person he attacks.
ReplyDeleteAs for Audrey, Gryphen or another other blogger, I don't care if they are single or married, white or black, love fishing, hate guns. What I admire is good writing that is based on facts, researched and well written, providing a good forum for discussion. I found that at PD, and most of the voices there discussed things in a reasonable way.
What is scary about our creepy "outer" is that he may inspire other people to harmful acts. The laws need to be clear about using the internet to intimidate, defame, scare, threaten and harm others. I wish that a lawyer would weigh in on "using the internet to incite violence." For that matter, whenever Sarah Palin spoke at election rallies, she left crowds shouting threats against Barack Obama. The Secret Service received double the usual threats thanks to her.
I would hope that there is some way to deal with this kind of cyber-bully. (I just made that name up, but it may have come from that terrible case where a teen was driven to suicide by a rival's mother, using a bogus id.)
Cyber-stalking is a crime. And, cyber-bullying should be too. Wouldn't it be great if someone googled this loser's internet info and outed him for a change.
OK, I don't like Sarah, but so what if she said she considered aborting Trig? (I would have.) The fact that she chose to have him anyway (yeah, I think he's Sarah's, sorry) shows that she loved him enough to have him...funny how people only look at the "omg, she thought about aborting him!" and not at the fact that she decided to have him anyway.
ReplyDeleteDamned if ya do, and damned if ya don't...if you abort a kid you don't want, you're a murderer, but if you decide to have it anyway, everyone will give you just as much grief over considering it, plus you still have to raise the kid. Moral of the story: if you're going to consider abortion at all, you may as well go thru with it.
To the person asking for a link to PD site.
ReplyDeleteYes, there are currently 318 comments, but the info regarding the threat is one of the most current, September 12th ones...2nd page, near bottom. Morgan, a moderator posted this (7:44a.m.):
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Morgan said...
**A NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR**
Hi faithful readers and friends, Morgan here.
Many of you have written expressing concern over Audrey's absence from her blog. Several of you have heard rumors that she was threatened.
Those rumors are, unfortunately, true. Audrey has been threatened. She and her husband took the threats seriously enough to seek legal advice and have decided after consulting with their attorney to suspend posting for the time being.
She has asked me to convey her deep appreciation for the good wishes and support she has and continues to receive from all of you.
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She has another slightly more hopeful note (Audrey has excellent counsel) at 10:30 a.m.
Anon @ 10:14 AM said: Tank also reiterates that "you don't know the whole story yet; you haven't heard all the evidence"
ReplyDeleteHe and Sadie are both backing up what Levi said in the Vanity Fair article. Which backs up that she had Trig in April of 2008. Without getting into wiggle room and a later change, that is to say Palin was telling the truth about flying from Texas.
There is to be nothing said or written about the Trig Truther position. That is to be silenced or they are crazy..."
About the last sentence I copied from your comments above....is that a threat? Is that a threat from YOU, or people you know -- or is it a poorly worded suggestion that there are, indeed, people out there who HAVE threatened several bloggers pursuing this Palin Deception?
As for the rest of what you said, you're wrong. Period.
He did NOT say Sarah Palin had Trig in April of 2008. Period.
He did NOT say Sarah Palin was telling the truth about flying from Texas. Period.
There's no "wiggle room". Levi meant every very carefully chose word that he said in that article -- do you really think the text wasn't very carefully vetted by his lawyer? -- and if you are aware of all the details that the rest of us know who've been following the Palin Deception Saga V-E-R-Y closely this past year, you know he said just enough for us to understand what he meant.
Here's my take on Babygate and all the rest...It's time for those in the know to either put up or shut up. When Andrew Sullivan first started asking questions on his blog about whether Sarah had given birth to Trig, I thought it was ridiculous b/c who in their right mind would think they could get away with that level of deception??? Then as I realized that Sarah Palin is truly insane and I started looking on the internet and saw the conflicting evidence, I came to believe that she did in fact fake her pregnancy. But at this point, I don't know what to think and am starting to believe that a whole bunch of bloggers who (justifiably) hate Sarah Palin are either deluded or are jerking our chain. Levi is backing Sarah Palin's story and I can't see why he'd be so emphatic about it if he's just planning on saying the opposite in a book. Speculation is not evidence and despite the promises of proof, so far nothing substantial has come out. This might turn out to be a big joke on all of us who think Palin is a menace and should be exposed. I still hope she may be, but not for faking a pregnancy. Personally I've decided to assume that Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig unless someone shows me conclusive evidence otherwise.
ReplyDeleteanon 11:37, 11:52 Here's the big question. Why are the scumbags so protective of Sarah? Levi said that the Palin marriage was troubled, and they didn't pounce on him. He said that Sarah asked to adopt his baby; they didn't lash out at Levi. National Enquirer printed all kinds of stuff about Sarah. Where was the outrage? In fact, they appear to have been very selective about a couple of blogs. Gryphen is still here, and we admire him for sticking to his keyboard. (Way to go, Gryphen!) So, the question is, why just some blogs, not Daily Kos, not Huffington Post, not other blogs which make jokes about or discuss Sarah. Letterman has Sarah Palin jokes every night. You would think they would be trying to organize another "Fire David Letterman Rally." (That went well, didn't it?) What is their problem?? And, why are they only looking out for the insults to Sarah, and not any of their other Republican friends?? Just Wondering.
ReplyDeleteI just tracked all this back and left a very pointed comment similar to what is written above. Audrey is right. Prove her wrong if you can, but don't blackmail.
ReplyDeleteOkay, Gryphen; here's my theory:
ReplyDeleteBristol turns up pregnant in the fall of 07. Sarah pressures her into having an abortion, perhaps when they visit NYC in October.
At the same time, Sarah pulls a "Mrs. Robertson" with Levi (come into my bedroon, Levi, and look at this gun I've got under my bed). She doesn't realize she's pregnant because women at her age frequently skip 2-3 months. By the time she realizes it, it's too late. She runs her little ass off and doesn't eat, trying to provoke an fundie abortion. At about 25 weeks (January? early February? Didn't Sarah kinda disappear for 11 days in there somewhere?), she goes into labor and delivers a very premature baby that is not expected to live. Or maybe she doesn't even realize she's pregnant until she goes into labor. At any rate, she keeps quiet about the birth and goes on as if nothing happened. But the baby defies the odds and lives. Lordy, what to do now? Can't admit to having had a kid a month ago! So she announces she's "pregnant" and starts her scarf and baggy black jacket routine. She can't give Trig's true originally due date (mid April?), since Todd was on the North Slope at the critical time of conception, so she says she's due in May, fully planning to deliver "early" and trot him out as "newborn" when it's time to "deliver" i.e., take him home from the NICU. The Wild Ride was just a silly fabrication intended to back up this farce.
This explains, a) the Down Syndrome, which is indeed more common in older women; b: Levi kissing his baby at the Convention; c) that strange title of the VF article; d) Bristol, in an act of angry defiance, getting pregnant AGAIN and insisting on having Trip.
Whatchathink?
All, keep in mind that Audrey has done what she set out to do. Her final post was probably the last one necessary. I continue to say that this needs to be published in hard copy. i don't care anything about Audrey's personal life. All I care about is truth and persistence and honesty. Audrey has all of those traits.
ReplyDeletePerhaps someone should do a little digging on your know who. I understand that Steve Snyder Gadfly was recently fired from his job.
There is no way for anyone who wasn't there to be able to guarantee what was said or not said. I would also like to point out Fagan that motherhood does not equate to sainthood. There are bad mothers all over the world. I don't believe they are evil, I believe they are emotionally disturbed or culturally pressured into a role they did not want.
ReplyDeletePlus, if this is the worse thing Fagan has ever heard about what anyone has said, then he just needs to get out more, watch TV, read a newspaper, or some other radio programs other than his own. Worse things are said on a daily basis.
As for the person who is attacking liberal bloggers, there is some pretty interesting stuff about him out there in the ether also. He is certainly in no position to be throwing stones.
It makes me sad that the culture of bullying which Palin supported while here in Alaska is continuing even after she stepped down as governor. I at first thought the claims of Palin faking the pregnancy were nuts. I like to examine evidence myself and come to my own conclusions, but never bothered to look at it. I think they hoped most people would think the same thing. Someone told me to go to Palin's Deceptions Blog and I was stunned. The photo dates have been verified by a lot of people. It is clear she faked the pregnancy. If the evidence were not so obvious they would not bother to try and stop her. Her followers are people who are not capable of deductive reasoning. I suspect they have threatened Audrey and her husband with some kind of blackmail. A lawsuit could not be won by Palin on the basis of the first amendment and the fact that there is no libel. If the written information is true, it is not defamation of character. I would love to see this case go to court. Are there lawyers out there who would like to make a name for themselves? Take this case pro bono.
ReplyDeleteThat interview was rather painful to listen to, but I am glad I got to hear Tank tell Fagan he had not heard the whole story YET. If Fagan thinks there are not people who are abusive to children perhaps he should read the news more often. We just hear about the physcial abuse. The psychological abuse mostly goes unreported and actually causes unbelievable damage. People tell their kids they are stupid, worthless, and retarded even when they aren't. It is often those we would not suspect who are doing it too. He also has not seen a newborn baby in withdrawl from drugs. He has not seen children who have been living in a meth lab situation, children with bruises, or fractures in an ER. His thinking that no mother would say such a thing is not in line with reality. There are people who are raising children with mentally illness, chemically dependency or both. If a parent has been raised in an abusive situation themselves they may not know any other way to be.
ReplyDeleteI thought Audrey's real id was already out. How can they be threatening to expose someone who is already outed?
ReplyDeleteIt will be worth the wait if Audrey ends up exposing the mad outers to more people.
Cyber-stalking is a crime. I thought cyber-bullying was a crime?
Oh my! I'm beginning to think you are right, Midnight Cajun---especially re the title of the VF article. It also explains why Todd pulled the gun on Levi.
ReplyDeleteEverybody that passes through this page PLEASE read this new post by F. Schaeffer if you have not already:
ReplyDeleteGlenn Beck and The 9/12 Marchers: Subversives From Within
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/glenn-beck-and-the-912-ma_b_284387.html
It explains a lot and even answers some of the questions posed above, such as...why the culture of bullying? how could they? what next?
I know that Kathy Griffin is a comedian but she was on Larry King and on Bill Maher joking that she was pregnant by Levi. She also stated that she had a conversation with Levi before the VF article was written.
ReplyDeleteIs there some hidden message here?
Reesie in VA
midnightcajun@12:41--your theory actually sounds realistic to me. Keep at it.
ReplyDeleteOops, that should have been "Mrs. Robinson"...
ReplyDeleteWHY WON'T SOMEONE JUST POST THE DAMN link TO pd? i TOO have been trying to read the latest posts... ummm... there are 2 Blog sites, a www.com that had NO comments...and ad infinitum hits on google... neither blog has anything more recent than 7/12/09...
ReplyDeleteso why not be a lil more helpful... jeeze, what is the PROBLEM???
http://www.palindeception.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeletekajo I am not as up on things as everyone else. I am very upset today. I am so sorry if that came out as a threat from me.
ReplyDeleteIt was very very very poorly worded. Taken from what I have read other places, I would like it not to be true, but there are people who believe in taking out, threatening or what you want to call it. What I have read has been toward the Trig Truthers and Palin Deception blogs. It may include anything that is not what they want to hear.
I haven't been near a magazine stand for weeks and I am attempting to catch up on Levi's writing. I thought Tank and Sadie had said they backed up Levi. I thought Levi said he had been at the April birthdate in the hospital. I thought Sarah flew from Texas.
I would like to hear Mr. Fagan and Mr. Jones clear up their positions. This whole thing is confusing. I can see why people just don't care if Sarah Palin did or didn't have a baby. It is too crazy and mixed up. I'm not going to try and understand all that is going on or any of the subplots again.
My deepest apologies for very poor wording and anything that sounded like a threat.
May all who are seeking the truth have abundant blessings. 10:14 AM
You know what, midnightcajun: I'm not interested in your theories. There have been too many of these scenarios floating around in comments, and they don't mean a thing--they're just a lot of soap opera plots that get in the way of real facts. I read this blog to learn what Gryphen and other bloggers have found out. Period. Finally, it's Gryphen's forum, not yours. Keep that in mind.
ReplyDeleteANON 1:46
ReplyDeleteHere ya go
palindeception.blogspot.com
Hey everyone, I hate Sarah's guts, and I hate the wingnuts too. They are ruining our country! But lets keep it in perspective. What percentage are they of our country? The real far right - maybe 10%? Only 20-25% of people in the country affiliate as Republicans. This is STILL a huge number of people and of course we have to fight back and continue to expose Sarah for the evil witch she is. Sorry Dan Fagan, OPEN your eyes for God's sake! Anyhow, we have to remember that we are still the majority by far and we should stand strong and proud! Screw those low class bullies who went after Gryphen and now Audrey. They have a serious problem.
ReplyDeleteI know they read here, so hey ugly bullies...why are you allowed to bash Obama as you do and to make horrible disgusting racist comments, yet we are not allowed to discuss the unethical things we believe Sarah has done? Go away and fight your fight jerks......we have as many rights as you do......and more people think like we do.....
Anyhow, that is how I feel reading this. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that if babygate was not true, Audrey would not be being threatened right now.. Sarah has to tell the truth about who she is, because the rest of the country is never ever ever going to let her win any office without answering many many pointed questions as to her history, beliefs and positions. She won't do this. She can't even come out from behind Facebook. It is because she is incapable of intelligent discussion on complex topics - everyone knows it. And also she will never allow herself to be deposed about anything related to Trig, so I am sure her thugs were the one doing the threatening and ignorant bullies, plain and simple.
WE WILL FIGHT BACK - everyone remember that. I am SICK of these stupid nutcases trying to take over the country after our candidate one. We nuts and generally pretty dumb - don't forget it.
You can't copy and paste on this site. Just google Palins Deception. Go to the last posts...I think it is around 304 mark.
ReplyDeleteYour theory @ 12:41 PM would be fine, midnightcajun, except in the time frame you suggest Sarah Palin "might" have been pregnant @ about 25 weeks -- late January, early February 2008 -- she was documentably still quite slim and not wearing any disguises at all.
ReplyDeleteMeantime, Bristol was nowhere to be found....
Speaking of Sarah Palin, not Bristol, I find it hard to believe a woman who's only 5'3" or so with a casual-runner's body would be able to wear normal everyday clothes in January and February 2008 -- not the huge black jacket and the all-black wear she adopted for daily wear in February, March, and April 2008 -- and not show a 25 week pregnancy.
Especially when she wasn't even showing any plumpness until the last 2 weeks of the pretend-pregnancy -- no doubt from eating a lot of those Crunchwrap Supremes Levi mentioned.
The first theory that explains all the conflicting statements is that Sarah gave birth to Trigg, but Levi is the father of both Trig and Tripp.
ReplyDelete--Sarah and Bristol have always been in competition and so Sarah pressured her to give up her baby b/c her own had DS.
--Sarah paid Levi 500K-1 million to keep quiet and let Todd be the father of the baby.
--Sarah hid her pregnancy, even contemplating abortion b/c Levi was the dad. She took reckless risks like the flight to Alaska hoping that she would even have a miscarriage.
--Animosity between Levi and Todd because Todd knows or suspects the Trigg isn't his.
--Sarah treatens to sue bloggers, but not Levi b/c she knows that he will out her if she goes too far.
--Levi states again and again how Todd and Sarah didn't sleep in the same bed and that he had never seen them do so. Now that's a hint of further revelations to come.
Anon, for crying out loud it is posted on this blog. Look on the left hand side of your screen. Gryph has it listed under Sarah's Least Favorite blogs or something to that effect.
ReplyDeleteT don't know the rules of this site, whether or not we can post websites; that's why I previously said PD.
ReplyDeleteThe other site is Palin Deceptions, if that's not clear enough just put it in google. The website/blog will show up.
http://palindeception.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteFor some reason, I can't post the link. But that's the URL.
Another piece of evidence that supports Trigg being the child of Sarah Palin and Levi--it explains why Palin's pregnancy/delivery dates doesn't make sense. When she found out she was pregnant, maybe after a couple of months, she had to sleep with Todd so he would think the baby was his.
ReplyDeletei've been reading a book on the NAZIS.
ReplyDeletethese 2 quotes sound contemporaneously ominous:
" A time of brutality approaches... indeed, we are already in the middle of it. We shall only reach our goal if we have enough courage to destroy, laughingly to shatter what we once held holy, such as tradition, upbringing, freindship and human love"
–GOEBBLES
"Hitler wielded the spoken word like a blunt instrument, bludgeoning his enemies into submission. He shared Goebbles's belief that if one told a lie often enough and with conviction the public would eventually accept it as truth."
–Paul Roland
Hey, Anon at 2:02: what's your problem? He was just throwing out an theory, and an interesting one at that. Lighten up. If you're not interested in a comment, skip it! But why try to dictate what the rest of us can read?
ReplyDeleteANONYMOUS 1:56 PM, can you expand on what you're hearing/reading re Team Truther and PALIN DECEPTION?
ReplyDeleteJust a thought re Midnight Cajun's propsed idea:
ReplyDeleteI've often wondered why Bristol was sent to live with her aunt when she had "mono". I figured she was pregnant, why else would she live with her aunt? After all, the aunt had kids, too, so she wouldn't want them exposed to mono.
But, a second thought is that if Bristol found out about Levi and Sarah, she got super mad and threatened her mom and mom sent her away.
Sadly, I've seen mother/daughter relationships like this before -- with the kind of jealousy and sexual competition this situation would require. Heck, Freud wrote about it endlessly.
It's sure sick...but I also believe that Sarah would cover up a pregnancy date to hide the truth from Todd, since their relationship is not one of trust and they have both obviously had brushes with infidelity.
WHo knows, Sarah may have done it to get back at him.
No matter how you look at it, there is no GOOD answer for the wild ride, a faked pregancy, or a pregnancy by someone else. Sarah is a loser any way you look at it.
As for the bloggers threatening Audrey, cyber stalking is a crime. A judge recently ruled on this against a blogger who wrote nasty things about a model the blogger was "cyber stalking". the blogger was relentless in her stalking of this model, so the model sued.
That clown who "outed" Grypehn and his ilk are cber stalkers/bullies and they could be sued successfully.
But we all know that they don't fear law as much as they fear not getting attention. So, let's take that to heart and NOT go to their blogs, etc. Let PD and the rest of the courageous bloggers handle this as they wish.
Look at the body language between the family members. It tells a lot about what is going on in the family.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous 2:02---are you plant? Layoff Midnight Cajun. His theory is the first one I've heard that puts it all together. Does he have it right, and are you trying to put a damper on his ideas? Do you know something?
ReplyDeleteYes, it's Gryphen's blog, but he built this comment section in for us---so we could be a community and share our ideas. I'm a PD fan, and although Audrey hasn't been posting lately, I've kept visting the site because I know that sooner or later, somebody is going to come up with some theory or see something that solves the SP birth mystery.
If Sarah had truly given birth to Trig, she would offered up a birth certificate or some other proof. No matter how embarrassing the actual circumstances -- Todd not being the father, not realizing she was pregnant, whatever -- she, and Todd, would have come up with some lame-ass cover story.
ReplyDeleteAlso, even though she's not particularly bright, missing a couple of periods, and having at least 4 previous pregnancies -- well, even Sarah could add that up.
Im ignorant in how blogs are written, so forgive me if this is a stupid idea. If Audrey at PD has been threatened, and will no longer be writing for the time being, why can't all the regular readers each take a week and "guest host" the blog. It would be impossible to "out" every single guest host, and impossible to threaten each annonomous host. It seems to me there are ways around these cyber bullies.
ReplyDeleteEvery week another "conservative" Republican politician is exposed as an amoral hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin's turn will come.
please, people. stop grasping at straws.
ReplyDeleteit is obvious that sarah was NOT pregnant. it is obvious. so quit with the "levi and sarah are trigs parents" crap. you're ignoring your own eyes in order to start a new theory because the other ones didn't pan out. don't ignore your own eyes.
she was not pregnant.
Oops --in regards to Midnight Cajun's interesting hypothesis, I should have written, "if Sarah had truly given birth to Trig months earlier than claimed" she would have come up with a better story. Or, knowing Sarah, maybe not. Pathological liars think all their stories are great stories.
ReplyDeleteWhile I still think Trig is Bristol's child, it's a fascinating theory, and much more plausible than the goofy one-baby notion.
Midnightcajun, you may be on to something. It's so obvious that there is a cover up in this dysfunctional family; its just getting to the truth. Sooner or later, someone will start talking. She can't keep this under wraps forever.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry about Audrey. I hope she and her family are safe. I know her work will not be in vain.
Kallie in Texas
Keep 'em coming, midnightcajun. I'M interested, too.
ReplyDeleteAnon@4:39pm: I agree: it is impossible to avoid the rock-solid conclusion that SP WAS NOT PREGNANT with T1.
ReplyDeleteAmong all the lies, confusing factoids, red herrings, and inconclusive data, the photos make this one point bedrock clear: SP was not pregnant with T1.
At this point, after seeing all the flat-belly photos of SP within weeks of the supposed "birth" of T1, it would take more than a document (BC) or an MD's sworn statement to convince a normal person that she was ever pregnant with T1. If SP now presented us with some kind of "proof," she would still have to give a convincing answer to "what about those photos, then?"
It really defies belief to think that Bristol would behave so maternally
ReplyDeletetowards a child (Trig) born to her mother and her (Bristol's) boyfriend.
I just can't see that happening. Or for Bristol to even be able to be in Levi's presence if that were the case. I think the VF article was playing on its readers' salacious imaginations. That's what sells copy, after all.
Sarah is not a very big person. It's pretty hard to hide even a very premie baby inside of a 5ft 3inch body. There are only two possibilities. One was me : I have a very long torso and short legs and, at 5ft 6in really did not look very pregnant even at term. But I did look at least five months along by then ! (Babies were seven pounders). The other possibility (and actually they go together) is that the baby is VERY far down in the pelvis with the head engaged deep in the pelvic girdle.
But guess what ? If that is the case, then every step you take the head
will literally rock back and forth as you walk. Your behind spreads and it is very uncomfortable to wear high heeled shoes. Now go back and watch the video of Miss Sarah hoofing around Juneau in mid - February and ask yourself it that slender looking woman has a baby's head engaged (they can descend early, my daughter did a good three months before I was due) in her pelvis. I don't think so. (And this would have been the time period where either Sarah was about to go into labor or was early postpartum according to the theory that she really was pg and delivered early.)
Sorry to be graphic about how it feels to walk around with a baby's head engaged in your pelvis. But if the baby is not popping out in front, that is where it HAS to be. And if it is, you don't run around in high heels while wearing tight skirts. Not physically possible.
Look, I hate to say this because I would love for SP to get caught in something as devious as faking a pregnancy, but where is the evidence besides the photos? Yes, they look incriminating but with a lie that big, too many people should know and no one is telling, and why not when they could make hundreds of thousands selling the story to the Equirer? I'm wondering if you took a picture of a pregnant woman in different positions with different clothes, if she would look as pregnant in each one. No one can explain why if Levi is the father of Trig, why he lied in Vanity Fair????? If he was going to save the whole truth until later, why not just leave the whole SP getting pregnant part out instead of going out of his way to confirm her story? It just doesn't make sense. I think there's another secret out there b/c of what Tank said, but SP faking the pregnancy ain't it. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteNothing makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI finally read the whole Vanity Fair article. It is clear that Levi dislikes Sarah and sees her for the colossally self-involved, lazy, stupid, greedy phony that she is.
And yet, I have to agree with Anonymous at 7:28 p.m. that Levi goes out of his way in the Vanity Fair article to confirm Sarah's pregnancy story. Why would he go out of his way to bolster the story if it weren't true? You can spin the Vanity Fair article, but, to me, the article said in clear English: (1) the Levi and Bristol believed Sarah was pregnant even before Sarah announced; (2) that Sarah gave birth (I'm sorry to me "had the baby" means in plain English "gave birth") on April 18th; and (3) that two weeks later, they found out Bristol was pregnant.
I've read the speculation - Levi's under a confidentiality agreement, blah, blah, blah. But if Levi can't talk, why wouldn't he just ignore the subject? It also seemed odd that if Levi had a big story to sell, Rex and Tank would be squandering him with Kathy Griffin and Playgirl magazine. The only logical conclusion is that Levi doesn't have a big story to sell (other than the tidbits he gave to Vanity Fair) and thus he has to settle for whatever B list gigs he can get, such as Kathy Griffin and posing in Playgirl.
And yet my head spins. The numerous non-pregnant pictures of Sarah when she should have been visibly showing; the crazy "wild ride" story which cannot possibly be true; Sarah's clear lack of maternal affection for Trig.
Perhaps one day it will all be explained.
You guys. Please. I know Sarah and the Heath clan and live in the Valley. Sarah is Trig's mother. Trig was born from Sarah's body. Period. Todd fathered Trig. Please.
ReplyDeleteThere is so much energy and anger and emotion on these posts b/c we all know Sarah and Co. have not been forthcoming with all the facts surrounding the pregnancy - and certainly not the birth event. But the parentage of Trig Paxson Van Palin in Todd Palin and Sarah Palin.
Sarah was deeply distraught at learning she was pregnant. She was the hottest gov in the land - and hot governors don't sport massive bellies full of a baby. If you will all recall, she trotted herself with her one state trooper escort to DC for the annual Gov meeting in early '08. She was the "hot governor" toast of the town with all sorts of tantilizing interviews about being a possible VP pick (it was all parlor room speculation at that point - but we know our Sarah - she relished all the limelight). It was only after that trip that she disclosed she was pregnant. Even when she slipped the news in, at the end of a briefing, she tried desperately to downplay it. By this time she knew Trig was most likely DS - and this was just one more thing that shook her world. And, true to form, she kept this little bit of info close to her vest - in the event he wasn't - as I recollect, her other four kids didn't even know of this likelihood.
I think Sarah tried her darn level best to keep her figure as sleek and trim as possible throughout the pregnancy - incl the final trimester (which really just amounted to two months since Trig was a month early).
It was foolhardy of her to travel to TX for the meeting - no doctor in his or her right mind would have agreed to this arrangement - knowing Sarah's advanced age, the baby's likely condition and the fact that it was late in the pregnancy.
But Sarah will do what Sarah will do. Other's opinions mean little to nothing. This trait of hers comes through when you hear her father speak, legislators speak and the McCain campaign speak.
I think she conferred with only herself when deciding to scrap being governor. Her own parents didn't know her decision until they were standing on the lawn at her house, hearing it when the rest of the country did.
That is the story in the middle of all of this: a staggering and total lack of even the most basic decent judgement.
Did she put her unborn child's life at risk by traveling as she did - in and out of state? Yes, absolutely. Just like she put her oldest daughter's reputation at risk when she "you betcha'ed" John McCain when offered to run with him as vp nominee.
She is reckless and heedless and headstrong. She thinks of herself.
Her children and her husband have borne the brunt of her choices. Willow has endured a very difficult year.
Bristol and Sarah's arguments are legendary in the Valley. Bristol and Track esp have felt resentful to their mother. Now Bristol has to put up with being the world's most well known unwed teenage mother - thanks to her own mother's blind ambition.
This family needs support. While they limp along, exposed and fractured, Sarah remains "hidden away" (no mystery - she's here in Alaska - most likely at her own house) trying to get all primed for her coming out appearance as the new Rupert puppet in Hong Kong.
What if the people posting on your site, Gryphen, put all their anger and energy and emotion into brainstorming why Sarah won't just release Trig's birth cert? Clearly there is something fishy - I don't know if it's where he was born - like maybe in the car on the way to the Valley. Who knows.
Once Sarah realized she was the new toast of the Right to Lifers all over the country - she quickly realized maybe Trig wouldn't hinder her political ambitions after all - maybe he'd help them.
And the rest, as they say, is history.
Anon 7:28 did you even read the article? Levi NEVER said that Sarah was pregnant with Trig and he never said he wasn't Trigs father!!!! It is clear that you have no idea of the history if you say the only evidence is the photos. There is so much more than that and if you took the time to read it all you would know that.
ReplyDeleteThis is another reason that everyone should stop with their guessing games. It is bringing out the loonies!
Thanks Anon 9:12! Reasonableness and common sense have returned. SP is a horrible, selfish, irresponsible unbalanced person, but we need to stop acting like Obama "birthers" and think logically instead of emotionally. It reminds me of how everyone was convinced that there was a deep dark secret behind why SP resigned so suddenly. It was dark, but not that deep--she wanted out to make easy money. People thought it was something bigger b/c normal public officials have more of a sense of duty than to behave that way for no real reason. Now we know the real reason why she flew back to Alaska, she just didn't care about anyone but herself and what she wanted to do. I think the problem is that people are trying to figure out the motives behind her actions as if she is a normal, logically-thinking human being, but she's not. Most women aren't able to hide a pregnancy for seven months, but because of her vanity, Sarah was. I'm still hoping that her pride and recklessness will do her in for the sake of the country, but if there's a scandal brewing out there, it's not the Trig story.
ReplyDeleteAnon@9:12: How can you explain these photos, then?
ReplyDeleteAnon 9:12 I am sorry but I don't believe you. How do you know this for sure-exactly who the parents are. Are youva close friend or relative?
ReplyDeleteGryphen, what do you really have to lose at this point by just telling all that you know. I don't get it anymore. If you write that you Gerard x y z then it's just heresay. You've already been threatened. And why are your sources waiting or afraid to come public?
Tank saying we haven't heard the whole story yet is a big clue. But Ian tired of clues and speculation. It's very frustrating. You even hinted /teased in this post about more coming out.
I don't see that Geoffrey Dunn ever mentions babygate. Is there a reason for that?
Hang in there Gryphen. I know you have been trying.,it's just becoming old and we all want the truth.
Anon 9:12 - Except for the fact that SP did not give birth to Trig and all the circumstances surrounding that, your analysis of SP's personality seems about right.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, how could you "recollect [that] her other four kids didn't know [of Trig's DS at the time of the announcement]" but you did? If you are going by what SP herself said, she apparently knew back at 13 weeks pregnant that Trig had Down Syndrome.
OK, I have been following this story for months...and after the Levi article came out where he does state that SP was pregnant, I kind of think she was. I don't think that it was Levi's but it may have been someone other than Todd's. But I agree with the theory that she hid the pregnancy and tried to remain small by any means possible...excess exercise and poor nutrition. She may have even bound herself. It is possible to look very small very late in pregnancy - it is called pregorexia. Here's a link to demonstrate how a woman hardly shows.
ReplyDeletehttp://photos.momlogic.com/galleries/pregorexia
I think this may explain Palin's small size.
In addition, I think if you go on the premise that she knew she was having a Down's baby, and that she was purposely withholding calories to stay small, it is not a stretch to say that perhaps the wild ride was true and was a last ditch effort at ridding herself of a child she knew would be a lifelong burden.
To me, if that version is true, it is far more scandalous than SP pretending to be pregnant for Bristol or political reasons.
I like this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ottoline.net/PalinHoax/noLie.shtml
Anon @5:19am,
ReplyDeleteEvery pregnancy is different, but not this different...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3045075839/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/sets/72157612980318309/
just saying,
Mother of three, one of which, arrived five weeks early.
How do you explain the "rectangular pad" on Palin's mid-section? Something isn't adding up here.
ReplyDelete5:19 AM
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin does appear to have an eating disorder. Her fluctuations could also just be an addiction to diet pills.
In the photos taken before Trig's arrival she does get pudgy around the face (I didn't see that in the pregorexic). That could also be from junk food and too much fat and salt in a diet. Perhaps bulimic.
A miraculous physical characteristic would be when she went from flat to the one and only posed round pregnant look.
Sarah Palin April 13, 2008
http://www.ottoline.net/PalinHoax/art/gusty.jpg
No one has picked up on her miracle. She has a religious following that you'd think would be all over that.
Is there anyone one in media bringing up that she is pregorexia?
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=pregorexia&sa=N&tab=bi
There is a list of other celebrity pregorexia. At her age she would be a pregorexia to know more about.
Momlogic's pregorexia:
first daughter: nine months pregnant
second daughter: nine months pregnant
Palin pregnant? Palin pregorexia?
http://www.ottoline.net/PalinHoax/5weeks.shtml
26 March 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/sets/72157612980318309/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3068746423/sizes/o/in/set-72157612980318309/
April 2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/sets/72157611103159527/
Sarah Palin says she wants to progress Alaska. Her hometown is abundant in pregnant girls and women.
It is incredulous that there is no inquiry about Palin's miraculous physical transformation during a pregnancy. Caring pregnant females are very much into the body changes and what to do. Whether they believe it is a miracle with Palin, or a serious exercise program, there would be talk and questions. A conscientious leader would pass on details and tips of how she did it.
When there is silence on what women would regularly discuss, that becomes suspect.
No one has been concerned for pregorexia. No one mentions this looks like a miracle, if you believe she was pregnant. Very little is said about her staying in shape, it is not pursued as if anyone believes that was what happened. Where are her work out partners from the exercise class?
Has anyone that thinks Sarah Palin was pregnant talked directly about the March 26 pictures and how she got to the April 13 picture? There are other pictures. Her stomach seems to go up and down. What do they say about that?
Palin's Dr. Baldwin-Johnson never mentioned a problem like pregorexia.
If you believe Palin and Baldwin-Johnson please contact the Alaska State Medical Board with your complaints.
If you believe one of the worst frauds in Alaskan history took place, contact the Alaska State Medical Board.
http://www.commerce.state.ak.us/occ/apps/CmpltFrm.cfm?page=MEDICAL
Dr. Baldwin-Johnson's behavior in the events surrounding the Palin flight is alarming. She might be part of a hoax or other criminal actions that could do more to damage children. It is too much to go into but it is critical people start to care about the children involved. Cindy McCain committed her worst crimes under the guise of a charity for children. Just because a person has a ruse to help children does not mean they are worthy. Dr. Baldwin-Johnson needs to be thoroughly investigated.
Whatever happened, children were put in grave danger and it is likely that continues to this day. This needs immediate attention whatever version of events you believe.
Anon@ 7:28, there are some things that you aren't explaining to make what you say believable. For one thing, why would a selfish woman put her own life in danger? Flying from TX to AK while have amniotic leak and possibly in labor with a DS baby 5 weeks before due date is DEFINITELY a risk to the mother's life, and I'm sure she would have known that!
ReplyDeleteAnon@ 5:19: Palin did not look anorexic in any of the pics in which she was "pregnant" with Trig. Her face never had the gaunt look of the mother in the link you give. I don't buy that.
I am wondering if we are thinking backwards about Levi's statements in VF article about Sarah "having" Trig. We keep thinking he is being forced, blackmailed, bound by some legal document, etc. Instead, what if HE has the upper hand? What if he told SP, "if you resign as Gov and stay out of politics, I'll keep the secret about Trig. I'll even make statements about you giving birth to him." Just speculation. The timing of her resignment of Governer coincides with when the VF article would have been "dictated" from Levi to the his VF ghostwriter.
Is it possible that a really crazy scenario occurred: SP and BP were pregnant at the same time. BP went into seclusion with that bad case of mono, dropped out of school and continued to see Levi, delivered her baby and allowed (under protest) her baby to to be adopted by another family. BP is depressed and finds her only comfort in Levi. Out of concern for her maintaining her silence about the adoption and to force her to comply with the legal sign off, Levi is allowed to move into the house with Bristol, to keep her content.
ReplyDeleteSP, who has been hiding her pregnancy due to NPD and pregorexia, delivers her baby quite prematurely, very small and with typical DS medical complications. She essentially abandons him to an NICU for several months. Few people know about this, her children do not, her parents and sister do not know, perhaps Todd does not even know.
Now speculating that an adoption can not be arranged for Trig due to his condition or he was not expected to survive but he does, now SP struggles with what to do? So, she announces her pregnancy, but has already delivered, so she has to fake the pregnancy. The wild ride coincides with Trig's discharge from the hospital.
Bristol is angry, depressed as she was forced to give her 1st baby up, so she and Levi create a replacement baby. Thus, there are 2 Tripps -- the adopted baby that in their hearts was named Tripp and the second baby that they will raise. It is the second baby that SP tries to adopt for political expediency.
Because BP and Levi are close, capable of genuine emotion and still mourning the loss of the adopted baby, they naturally bond with Trig, love him and nurture the infant. This is seen in the photos in the kitchen, and the tenderness on the campaign trail. Who can or needs to make sense of what a teenager (Mercedes) posted as photo tags on a Facebook site.
Crazy, but there are many crazy theories out there. Such a scenario would lead to "sources" swearing SP was never pregnant -- or that she was, because really, only a very few know the crazy truth that she "was" and she "wasn't". In this crazy scenario, there are 3 babies - 2 mothers, God only knows how many fathers (and does it really matter). Would explain a lot, including Todd's relationship with Sarah -- after all, how much can one man tolerate. This would also explain why SP never bonded with Trig. I do concur with another commenter along the way that Piper and Trig have a striking resemblence.
If you look at the 1984 Miss Alaska swimsuit competition, you will see that Miss Sarah, at 5 foot 3 inches, has long legs and a fairly short torso.
ReplyDeleteThere is simply NO WAY to hide a FIFTH pregnancy past about the fifth month of gestation in a body with that configuration. Not and end up with a 6-plus pound baby delivered five weeks early, as per Miss Sarah.
Anon@2:02pm...Who pissed in your cornflakes? That was rude,rude, rude!
ReplyDeleteYes this is Gryphens blog and he allows different viewpoints to be discussed, including yours!
To midnightcajun from Anonymous 2:12PM--My apologies for personalizing for my remarks. I meant no offense, truly. Anonymous 9:12PM expressed what I was trying to get at.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone believes Sarah Palin's pregnant questions can be explained by a serious disorder like pregorexia why are you not all over her doctors?
ReplyDeletePeople can die and the damage done to an unborn can be life long.
I am repelled by a doctor that would conceal a condition like pregorexia, anorexia or bulemia of a potential candidate. McCain did not hide his cancer.
The McCain campaign would have known about a condition like pregorexia. Do you believe McCain is a part of this deadly neglect and incompetency? Would you take as a running mate a person with critical cancer and hide that from the public? If you believe she is pregorexic, anorexic or bulemic please do something to be certain the public gets the whole story. Those conditions have a gigantic mental heath component. It is not as easy a cancer to treat.
It is lifelong to care for the ravages of an eating disorder.
It is bad enough Palin goes around trying to hurt babies, her doctor and others are involved with the trip to Alaska and a possible cover up of a deadly condition like pregorexia. There are citizens that show total disregard for the consequences of Palin's actions. Citizens whose own ignorance and neglect will fall onto the most innocent children. Anyone who believes Palin was pregnant needs to get off their ass and try to get the facts out about the risk the Palins took to get to Alaska. If you believe she was pregorexia don't sit around supporting a doctor like hers. The campaign had to know too, also. Rip those cons a new one!
If you care about Palin you realize pregorexia would also mean anorexia or bulemia. She will die if not treated.
She has lost hair and had her teeth worked on, both signs of an eating disorder.
Report her doctors. She continues to run for an elected office. The campaign boards need to know she may have a deadly condition that she is trying to hide. This is more than the a state matter. There was a candidate that was once taken out of running for a national office because he had a mental health treatment. This is far more than that. If she continues to run for office have her reveal her health issues. It did not stop Cheney from being VP because he has a bad heart and is on medications.
It is possible Sarah Palin does have a eating disorder. For all we know that is why she is missing now.
Does anyone know where we can write to be sure the political campaigns are looking into all the medical questions?
Where can we send complaints and requests for investigations into committees and candidates that are hiding information?
She may know now that she will later come out later and say she will not run because of the health problem. That isn't right if they know now that she has a medical condition that takes her out of the race.
She has already fooled a state and a nation. It is wrong for her to continue to collect money at the same time her people know she has medical problems that they hide.
Where do we contact the campaign committee overseers?
Oops. At Anon 10:29AM above, "Anonymous 2:12PM" should read "Anonymous 2:02."
ReplyDeleteThe "death panel" lady that wants to end Medicare and didn't care about who died when she messed with her state is hiding a chronic mental sickness?
ReplyDeleteRick Joyner on Sarah Palin a video. http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/9/15652/45618/Front_Page/Palin_Pastor_s_Re_education_Scheme_May_Seem_Like_Totalitarianism_
"The kingdom of God will not be socialism, but a freedom even greater than anyone on earth knows at this time. At first it may seem like totalitarianism.... Instead of taking away liberties and becoming more domineering, the kingdom will move from a point of necessary control while people are learning truth, integrity, honor, and how to make decisions, to increasing liberty so that they can."
Anon @ 5:19, I followed your "pregorexia" link, but had to do some searching around to find a picture which actually TOLD me something. I found the picture of the woman described, wearing a bathing suit and showing her bony chest bones as well as a very obvious baby bump.
ReplyDeleteSignificantly, she states she's 5'8" in height, (which allowed 5" more inches of torso than for Sarah Palin) for her undernourished fetus to (attempt to) grow in her uterus.
Google links suggesting "pregorexia" is a celebrity phenomenon also show us pictures of the pregnant ultrathin celebrities with very obvious baby bumps at every stage of pregnancy.
Even if Sarah Palin starved herself into an anorexic state -- and yes, I do believe she may have a longstanding eating disorder -- her shorter stature and short torso never would have hidden a baby the way the other woman's physique did, not at 7 or 8 months of gestation (remember how Palin could both cross her legs AND bend forward so easily in early March, in that LA interview video? That was supposedly at 7 months gestation).
Sarah Palin herself said her expected date of confinement (EDC) was mid-May 2008 -- the most questionable pictures of her between February 2008 and April 2008 show even less of a pregnant belly for Palin than the bathing-suit picture of the anorexic woman does.
This does not compute.
Anon 10:45 you make many good points. Sarah does have many symptoms of someone with very serious bulemia. Just look at the photos of her during the NRA speech and when she resigned compared to photos during the campaign. She looks in very poor physical condition.
ReplyDeleteWhy would a medical board though look into letters sent from anonymous people? I agree that ALL of her health problems / history should have been released, but I just don't see that reporting this now will do anything. Maybe I am wrong - I am just cynical.
Anon at 9:12, I have a question for you. If Sarah Palin was really pregnant as you say, and if she is sporting a real baby bump in the photo dated April 13, then what happened to make that very noticeable bump invisible to the flight attendants on Palin's flight from TX to AK just a few days later? How could the flight attendants who were quoted as saying they noticed no sign of pregnancy possibly have missed that big bump?
ReplyDeleteWill you answer my question, please? I'll even put it in simpler terms: What happened to Sarah Palin's extremely visible (on April 13, 2008, anyway!), baby bump between *that* date, and April 17, 2008, when she supposedly began leaking amniotic fluid while in Texas and hopped on the first flight back to Alaska. You know, the flight on which the attendants didn't even *notice* she was pregnant?
I'm going to post this anonymously and I apologize in advance.
ReplyDeleteTank says at least 4 times while talking to Fagan that plenty of crazy women kill their children so why not believe that Sarah merely called hers retarded?
This entire interview seems to be based on a truth that will come out that will be much more disturbing that a child merely being referred to as retarded.
lisabeth McCain has cancer, when it is on his face everyone can see it. He can't hide that.
ReplyDeleteI am not an expert on eating disorders but they are complicated and dire. They can be hidden for years.
That does not make them less of an affliction or less problematic. We elect people with cancer, heart problems and other disease. The point is they need be open and honest about a condition that could effect them or the office they are after.
Other than the pregorexia, I think it is reasonable to consider that Sarah Palin does have an eating disorder like anorexia or bulemia. It has some visible signs but not like cancer on McCain's face.
I am not saying anorexia or bulemia is like a mental disorder along the lines of schizophrenia, but there are mental distortions and it is very severe and serious.
If we want to elect schizophrenics, bulemics or others we need to know they are in treatment. That's what we do for heart or cancer patients.
As I understand Sarah Palin is going to run for an office. Is there another reason she has SARAHPAC at this time? I don't know that she would be required to tell the election committees if she learned she has cancer and was given 6 months to live. She may know she would never be able to maintain an elected office but would want to keep the money coming in. It would be honest to tell the committees that she is sick and wants to run but won't be able to maintain. It could be fraud if she hides certain things.
There were questions about Palin's medical and physical history before and at the last minute during the '08 campaign a letter cleared her health. the letter was flawed, it proved we have flaws in our election system. I hope we can improve. What a waste of time and money if people can collect money running for an office when they know their health won't let them go the whole 9 yards.
Now the suggestion that pregorexia is why her last pregnancy was not noticeable brings up more questions. It could be pregorexia or something else Palin and her doctors are hiding. The questions reach so far that many people believe fraud and other crimes are involved in their cover ups.
I didn't mean to say a medical board should look into letters from anonymous? I don't know the official names, whoever watches over elections and the committees that are set up for candidates. At a federal level, those are the people I'd like to complain to. Not as anonymous. It seems wrong for a person to have a political committee if they would know they have to hide a heath problem because they aren't electable.
I think Palin has been hiding her medical history. It still matters because she could be doing it again. There must be more evidence than pictures of her strange pregnancy, her odd weight, hair line and the videos of her unhinged speeches that the election people could investigate. Either for a previous fraud or current.
I would like to complain with a name to a federal election committee or board. The people who deal with the health of prospective candidates and organizations like SARAHPAC. Who oversees what they are up to? Excuse me for not knowing how to better say all this.
There are flaws in the system. An investigation into Palin could bring out more detail on what the flaws are. Candidates and their physicians don't have to reveal all details on health but before they start collecting hard earned money they need to pass better scrutiny with the election people. Someone like Palin could have been lying to the committees all along. Whether she was hiding a pregnancy, hiding pregorexia or other health problems, she needs to be investigated. She was and is hiding something critical. It needs a federal investigation.
I don't have the words and I'm sorry if this is hard to understand. If McCain was saying he didn't have skin cancer someone might complain at a federal level to ask for an investigation based on pictures of his face and any other pertinent information. I was thinking of a complaint like that for Palin.
Anon 10:45
These are great questions IWorshipCats. I don't know - maybe she had a large sweater or jacket on? Probably she was trying to conceal her condition so she wouldn't be pulled off the plane along the route and forced to seek medical assistance in another state. We all know Sarah loves attention and drama - and she loves developing her own mythology - so perhaps this was part of her unthought out plan (there is precious little pre-planning with her). She couldn't lose - she'd either create drama in AK by delivering Trig after the crazy flight home - or she'd create it in another state by giving birth.
ReplyDeleteLook: trying to make sense out of the narrative will only drive one to distraction. That's part of the point - IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. And when rational, objective people point out the obvious serious judgement issues with this narrative - Sarah clams up - because what can she possibly say that will make it make sense? No matter how you spin it - traveling back to AK from TX made zero sense. I really don't think it was until she was in AK and after giving birth when - it was BLOGGERS - who started asking the obvious questions like, what the heck was she thinking?
I assume when she started speaking with CBJ in TX before getting on a plane to come back, she purposely didn't tell CBJ that she was leaking fluid - just that she was starting to have mild contractions.
It was probably her dad in the lobby of Mat Su Regional on the KTUU news the night of Trig's birth explaining the REAL story - that indeed her amniotic fluid was leaking in the morning in TX. Then the real story came out.
I assume CBJ could have lost her license if she hadn't told Sarah to get to the nearest hospital asap when she first called her in TX if Sarah had told her the truth about the leaking fluid.
Hmmm.....
(and remember how Sarah's old buddy John Tracy and Friends at KTUU ripped the story from their site just as soon as they realized how damning it was for what it really revealed about the time line? Yep. The good old Alaska press covering for the nation's hottest governor - once again)
I posted the 3-baby theory at 9:05, and in response to questions from Iworshipcats at 2:41, I would theorize that SP was inconsistent in wearing any prosthetic pregnancy devices. On a long flight, or during several long flights, to be comfortable and among total strangers, she did not wear any apparatus to simulate the appearance of a pregnancy. Seems more than reasonable to me.
ReplyDeleteA note from personal family experience. A family member had a 2.8 pound premie, at 30 weeks. Other than jaundice, he had none of the problems that little Trig had. He just needed to grow and learn to feed and be able to maintain his body temp. He was discharged from the NICU at nearly 4 pounds,which was I remember around 4 weeks, and he was transferred by ambulance to the local home town hospital until he could come off supplemental tube feeding and maintain his body temp. He came home about 6 weeks after birth, from the home town hosp, at about 4.5 pounds. He easily could have passed as newborn based on size and cry. However his skin, eyes, etc were not that of a newborn. I think, looking at the earliest photos of Trig, that he was many weeks past birth. His skin does not appear to me to be the skin of a 3 or 4 day old jaundiced infant. Just some experience that could offer corollaries.
ReplyDeleteWas baby Trig born at home, and stay at home for several weeks without hospital care? If he lived it would be God's will, if he died it was also God's will? Is that why he looks so much smaller in the photos from the kitchen than the triumphant photos at his unveiling in Sarah's office? No way, not even SP would be that callous, would she?
Anon at 3:54, typically before a flight takes off, the flight attendants will walk down the aisle to make sure everyone is buckled up. A pregnant woman would have to buckle her belt beneath her pregnancy bump. A flight attendant would definitely notice a bump hiding the belt. That would hold true whatever she was wearing. A bump of the size Palin is sporting in the April 13 photo is too big to be concealed under even a heavy sweater or coat, if one is being examined by a professional safety-conscious flight attendant to make sure one's seat belt is fastened across the lap *under* that bump. Either you have a flat stomach or you don't, regardless of what you are wearing.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 3:57, I think that is the inescapable conclusion. Palin is wearing a pillow in the April 13 photo, and she did not wear it on her flight home to AK on April 17. No way would she have risked going through security wearing that thing. What if they'd patted her down?
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ReplyDeleteVery, Very, interesting....
I am a retired flight attendant and can say from personal experience that flight attendants take note of many things about passengers, particularly on long flights. Pregnant women we take note of because if there were a problem we may have to help out and/or seek help. We receive basic training on what to do if a woman goes into labor. The flight attendants on that long flight would have been aware if Palin was pregnant.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your take on this, Anon@6:38. I've always thought it was incredibly unbelievable that the flight attendents would not have noticed SP was 35 weeks pregnant. If you look at the pic of her at that Repub. gov. convention in TX, she is clearly "looking pregnant" (whether real or fake). No way if that were real it would have escaped the FAs notice on the plane! I say she took off her "belly" for the flight home, because of course, she didn't want to be kicked off of the flight.
ReplyDeleteI think the quote from the flight attendant was, "the STAGE of her pregnancy was not apparent by observation". Very interesting choice of words ! Also that Miss Sarah was pleasant and not in any discomfort.
ReplyDeleteIf you have ever been in early labor or had amniotic fluid leakage, the idea of climbing on not one but two planes (Dallas - Seattle, two hour stopover, then Seattle - Anchorage) is absolutely ludicrous. For one thing, you have to pee ALL THE TIME and we all know what airplane toilets are like. Sitting in an airplane seat and not being able to move around to get comfortable would be torture. And if you truly were leaking amniotic fluid, you had better have a towel under your butt.
I think the Wild Ride story is what alerted lots of women to the fact that there was something really fishy going on. That's what did it for me.
To be honest here, the Huff Po reported the interview with the flight attendant last September. In response to a question as to whether or not the crew knew the governor was in labor, the FA replied, "the state of her pregnancy wasn't obvious--she didn't appear to be in any discomfort." That doesn't really say that they weren't aware she was pregnant at all.
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ReplyDeleteI have been a follower of PD and other truther blogs. I have so much distaste for Sarah Palin, that I will admit to reading these things. I keep hoping that something..anything will trip her up.
After reading your post, I have to admit...I believe you. I know you most likely don't have all the details...but I believe SP is wee Trigs mother, (not yet sure if Todd is dad) and I am willing to wait and see.
There is something so disgusting about that woman. She is the antithesis of everything I learned in life about womanhood. She is vile..and in my humble opinion a lousy mother.
I feel badly for her children..I truly do. The oldest have had problems...but is it any wonder? Willow...poor Willow. I really have been remiss in giving much thought to that poor girls life. It is I am sure...awful on many days. Piper...needs her mom and dad.
Good post...thankyou.
According to ADN in an article dated 4/22/08:
ReplyDelete"The stage of her pregnancy was not apparent by observation. She did not show any signs of distress," Boren said.
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
PS to my previous post. There is also this quote in the ADN article I linked to (http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html):
ReplyDelete"Palin never got big with this pregnancy. She said she didn't try to hide it but didn't feel a need to alert the airline, either."
So....
"Never got big" -- except in that 4/13/08 photo in which she is shown to be VERY large with child (or pillow).
How to explain that little discrepancy? I'll answer my own question. You can't.
Exactly, IWorshipCats! The statements don't match up with the the RepGov Conven and the April 13/Gusty pics! I think that the flight attendent statement may have been purposely worded carefully: don't want a lawsuit, or even bad publicity for that matter! (Look at what happened to United after the guitar-smashing video came out on youtube!).
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ReplyDeleteI can't see how she was pregnant. Can anyone give a plausible explanation for the photos? Her fluctuations?
The "wild ride" does not pass the smell test. Why did she pat that rectangle thing in the one video? Did she hike pregnant in high heels in the Juneau video?
I need someone to help me comprehend what was going on in those incidents if she was pregnant. There are several red flags as to how she was abusing and putting her unborn in danger. Her doctor was the most honored physician for abused children in Alaska, she didn't notice anything?
Palin would be pregorexia. That is serious. Her doctor missed that one?
@9:12 I am willing to believe that Sarah is the mother for a couple of reasons. I faced a similar pregnancy and knowing that I would have to be tested during term, I refused to tell even my closest friends of my condition. My baby faced a lot of possible problems including DS and I knew that I could have to abort the baby because of the deformities. There are a lot to Right to Lifers who want to preach their ideas to everyone. I did not reveal my pregnancy until after the test results indicated the baby was fine.
ReplyDeleteIn Sarah's case, she knew the baby had DS. I imagine she is very thin skinned and she didn't want people to criticize her getting pregnant at her advanced age. Voters in AK might have wondered how she could handle the office and a special needs child at the same time plus her fight to keep her girlish figure.
Do I think she wanted the baby? Absolutely not! If the baby had miscarried or died at birth, she would not have been the least bit unhappy.
As a photographer, I have always noticed her lack of maternal attention toward Trig or any of the other children. She holds the baby awkwardly and feeds the baby so that he is sucking air not milk from the bottle. She is all about herself and she reminds me of an old cow we had on the farm. This cow would have a calf but never claim it and we would have to bottle feed the calf each year.
Sarah's medical records were never released and I am sure there are plenty of notations that would answer some of our questions. Will we ever know about her medical records? Probably not. She will change physicians and some doctor somewhere will sanitize the records removing any of the derogatory issues.
Anon at 1:50, how do you explain the fact that in a photo dated April 13, 2008, Sarah looks ready to pop, yet a newspaper article published just over a week later claims (in what seems to be an indirect quote from Palin herself) that she never looked big?
ReplyDeleteIf Palin was pregnant then her putting an unborn in danger and the pregorexia must be addressed.
ReplyDeleteFile complaints in regard to Dr. Baldwin-Johnsons recklessness. Both Palin and Baldwin-Johnson are evil monsters if they did that to a defenseless unborn.
Trig's life is in danger right now. This maybe why we haven't heard from her. Was there another attempt on his life?
Levi may want to go along with the Sarah had Trig story. Tank says there is evidence to whatever they know. Rex said it is something to take down a political career. We know she and Todd could have killed Trig on the flight. What they are talking about now is worse. Is there another baby that was killed? Or did the baby just have brain damage and is now in a special institution?
I think Tank and Rex are holding back some nasty evil doing on Palin's part.
If she was pregnant, I would doubt that anyone knew - perhaps not even Todd knew right away. After all, how long have they been estranged. Levi suggests a long time and questioned how she could have gotten pregnant in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIf she was pregnant, did she have prenatal care, perhaps not. Did she have an amnio, unlikely in my view, esp if she suffered with pregorexia. I contend that she could have been preg, was successful in hiding it, delivered prematurely (maybe as early as January) some time well before she announced her joyful news. Then when the baby lived, she had to fake a pregnancy to explain the presence of a new infant in the house. Coincidently, Bristol is pregnant at the same time. Bristol delivers around the same time as Sarah, B's baby is term, healthy and adopted out. The wild ride is nonsense and never happened. Who knows why she told her father this lie. Not all crazy acts can be explained. She came back before the conference was over in a planned way. She picked up Trig from the hospital because he was finally ready to be discharged. Sounds crazy, but isn't that what we are dealing with, at its core.
She never bonded with Trig, regardless of whether she is the bio or adoptive mom.
I am sick that a doctor like Baldwin-Johnson is licensed after her part in this foul series of events. None of this would happen if the doctor was a decent person.
ReplyDeleteNot a fake decent, the real deal. I don't feel sorry for her if she is hiding behind fear of loosing her license. She might be one of the crazies from the hospital or church.
She has no business with a license in medicine. Help the kids and get her out of business.
Report Baldwin-Johnson to the medical boards for malpractice in Texas and Alaska.
I don't care how sweet her bed side manner, she is a fraud. If she gave bad advice to a politician make this a federal complaint. She is as bad as it gets.
3:31 PM _ I am disgusted with everyone that believes she was pregnant and they do nothing about Dr. Baldwin-Johnson. The Todd and Sarah Texas "wild ride" is all you need to know to know the Dr. needs to stop practicing medicine. Everyday she is out there a child is at risk.
ReplyDeleteNow we are to believe she concealed a fatal condition? Is she too incompetent and did not notice the pregorexia? I don't think so. Sarah and Todd knew the baby was at risk and they took the flight. They all knew the eating disease is a brain killer as well. They all conspired to do away with Trig and no one is reporting the Dr.?
All the people who believe Sarah gave birth to Trig believe she had a flat stomach on March 26 and was ready to burst on April 13. By April 17 she trimmed down again but looked pregnant like. Not enough for a flight attendent to notice. That is what they believe and they can stick with it.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't they answer questions?
Why can't one of them explain one little thing? How did she go from flat to bursting, to pregnant like to not to be noticed as pregnant on long flight. I want to know how she stayed so comfortable.
If she was pregnant someone could make a fortune if we knew her secrets.
For the most part, don't many of us agree that SP faked a pregnancy from March-April. Doesn't that hold regardless of whether or not she previously had delivered Trig prematurely -- the photos clearly show that she was very inconsistent in using a pregnancy prosthetic. She seems to have used a retangular shaped pillow as well as the more sophisticated pregnancy belly. Why is her inconsistent use of a prosthetic so hard to figure out? Demands to file complaints against a medical professional based on speculation and theories derived from reading blogs are inappropriate.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 9:12 - I found it interesting that you know the family, and you make such a point of saying that Willow had such a hard year. Why? I would put her last on the list of Palin kids having a bad year! Bristol had her second unwed teenage pregnancy, Track is in Iraq, presumably in harm's way every day, and Piper is too little to have her parents be arguing, sleeping separately and allegedly divorcing. Willow seems to be the "good girl" to me (despite her recent drinking episode). So why call her out as having a hard time? What is affecting her so much? Can you expand for us please?
ReplyDeleteIt just occurred to me that Levi backing up SP's story might have nothing to do with SP. We have been told over and over that the truth is far worse than we could have imagined, that this has the potential to be the biggest political scandal of our time and that we will be shocked when it all comes out.
ReplyDeleteSo maybe the truth really IS so awful that Levi doesn't want it revealed either. Maybe he is protecting Bristol from something horribly embarrassing if it were to come out. Maybe Bristol was sexually abused by a relative or something. I know this has been speculated on before. But now Levi is making me wonder if maybe it isn't true. There has to be a reason he is lying. And that reason is NOT to protect SP or his rights to see his sons (which he would have, regardless). Hmmmmm
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ReplyDeleteThere is a voice recording of the Palins telling their version of what happened. Also other interviews and documents. There are medical professionals that are disturbed by what they know. It is not only reading blogs.
It is never inappropriate to investigate crime or file complaints against criminals. In this situation where children's lives are at risk something must be done. There are medical professional that know Dr. Baldwin-Johnson and write about how serious what she did was. Sarah Palin would not have put Trig's life on the line by getting on the plane if Dr. Baldwin-Johnson did what any other doctor would do. If you believe the the wild ride version and Sarah. It is very serious and must be looked into further. Talk about abuse of power. Tell a pregnant woman like Sarah was the night she flew that it is alright to fly. If they lied about that night, the truth must come out. Dr. Baldwin-Johnson should loose her license in either situation, if the wild ride is true she needs prison.
Tank claims there is more evidence to come out. It could be more damning of the Sarah and Dr. Baldwin-Johnson relationship. We won't know for months. Complaints to the medical board can start before. I hope is doesn't take a dead child to wake sheeple up.
I don't believe the wild ride story and never have. For some crazy reason, SP told her father a whopper and he repeated it, perhaps with some elaboration to brag up his tough daughter. When questioned, SP had no choice but to continue the myth. I think the Dr has been sacrificed by the Palin myth making machine. I also question the validity of the MD's letter released the night before the election. I have seen posts reporting that the letter has been critically evaluated by some who point out suspicious flaws. Publically the MD has been cautious and made a single appearance in conjunction with her attorney. Her professionalism prevents her from speaking out. Why on earth would anyone go full speed ahead with a complaint against the MD based on SP's version of an event. Is it because SP would never lie about the circumstances surrounding the birth of her latest child?
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ReplyDeleteWhy on earth would anyone go full speed ahead with a complaint against the MD based on SP's version of an event.
Read the Lee Tompkins, BSN, letter.
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/06/saradise-lost-book-2-chapter-71.html
Saradise Lost - Book 2 - Chapter 71 -- Delivering the Real Issue
She writes too much about Elvis and aliens in this piece. She is protective of the medical profession, but she gets the danger of the flight involing Sarah and the MD.
"In my opinion I believe Governor Palin's actions indicated she knowingly and recklessly endangered the life of her unborn child.
Because of this failure I believe the ADN is partially culpable for this whole conspiracy theory. If they had done their job right to begin with, the details of the birth would have been more clear and this nonsense about faked pregnancy would have been supplanted by the clear realization that Palin risked the life of her unborn child, took absolutely no prudent precautions for reasons one cannot even imagine, all to avoid having a fish picker born in Texas." Lee Tompkins, BSN
More information with focus on the perilous flight would be helpful. It is pathetic so many have turned their backs on a child like Trig.
What is full speed about a year and a half of a child left in a threatening situation?
You can't trust the parents, the MD or Anchorage Daily News.
No one can say exactly what happened because there hasn't been the necessary investigation yet. One way or another a child is in a place no child should have to endure. The world knows a version of the wild ride and no one cares to look further for the sake of an innocent child?
The MD has a front as someone capable of knowing and caring for abused children. The MD is associated with a center or someplace for children who are victims of rape and incest. Her work also includes the deadly drug problems that effect families.
There are times the best boy scout leader turns out to be going after little boys. We know of Catholic Priests that hide behind the clothe and use children. Other priests don't have sex with children will turn away and they don't report the abusers. Those are ways that many children stay in patterns of abuse. In a place where drugs, incest and sex abuse is prevalent it takes the whole community to keep it's secrets. How ideal for the perpetrators to have a "perfect" MD helping to keep the abuse activity going. All she would have to do is not report certain things and keep the children under control. Similar to what appears to have happened when she was helping the Palins.
Just because we don't have all the details doesn't mean crimes weren't committed. Everyday it is more obvious this is a crime. If nothing else the wild ride must be investigated. That is the official story version. There is evidence. There are also occurrences where information was covered up.
The MD is in a perfect position to help cover up what is going on in Alaska. After years of being awarded and working with leaders like the governor, why is there no sign of progress in the area of drugs, child abuse and incest? Why is the town only hiding more? Something is tragically wrong.
Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, the MD, is at the center of the wild ride episode.
For anyone that cares for children it is inescapable, that must be investigated.
Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, the MD, can no longer get by with her atrocious disregard for Trig Palin. She also put the mother and passengers on the flight at risk.
It makes no sense to let that monstrous MD go to commit more harm towards innocent children.
The people of the small town are trapped in their disease and the complaints must go to the state and federal levels.
The sooner the better. Think of the children in harms way first.
Patrick has an update at Palingates regarding "babygate".
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