Did you just run over to your calendar to make sure that this is indeed 2009? Well I can hardly blame you considering the amazing superstitious nonsense vomited forth by these "critics".
At first I thought it must be a joke, but no, they are completely serious.
As evidenced by this review from Hollywood Jesus. (No, I am not making that name up!)
I also want to mention that the spirituality in this film is pretty dark, even for a Disney film. The villain sings a song about his friends "from the other side" making it very plain this isn't just magic that's being used but the powers of hell and its minions. This is serious stuff, and the light-handed manner that it was often handled with made me a bit uncomfortable. One should never lightly toy with the spiritual world, especially the world of demons and their dark powers. Having a show-stopping Broadway-like song about dalliances with dark forces in an animated movie may make it seem like doing such things is really no big deal; not something I want my kids to pick-up on.
Truth is playing around with such spiritual forces is extremely dangerous, be it voodoo, black magic, Ouija boards or whatever, a truth that is highlighted at the end of the film as the villain discovers the evil forces he thought he was in league with and was in control of were really the ones in control of him. Let's just say playing with "friends from the other side" didn't end well. I'm glad that the consequences were shown, but I still feel all of that was a bit too dark and extreme for this kind of kid's film.
This warning comes to us from a site called Christian Spotlight on Entertainment.
I do not personally recommend “The Princess and the Frog.” Practicing any sort of occultic magic is directly against God and is labeled as an abomination throughout Scripture. This movie displays that voodoo magicians hold all the power of both good and evil. A PG rating would have been more appropriate; I strongly advise that younger, undiscerning children not be allowed to see it. For older children, however, “The Princess and the Frog” might serve as an platform for parents to discuss with their children the real existence of occult practices and how to identify them.
The reviewer from Christianity Today finds fault with the movie because it suggests that problems can be solved through self-reliance.
As if this weren't bad enough, on the flip side we get mystical Mama Odie, stereotype piled on stereotype straight out of every cliché of the wise old black woman. Mama Odie knows voodoo, too, but her magic is more of the prosaic, homegrown kind. In a production number that evokes gospel music but with Jesus neatly stripped away, Mama Odie offers up a defiantly American church of the self. Just "dig a little deeper" inside yourself and you'll find what you need to achieve all of your dreams. Sure, there's magic, but it only shows up once you've done everything in your power to get what you desire. Her message is the epitome of works-righteousness, where the only counter to the forces of evil is the good inside the human heart. (And this is somehow bad?)
Sure, this is the message of just about every family film that has come down the pike since the dawn of cinema. But to see it presented in a context that evokes the style of Christianity, Mama Odie's song serves as a stark reminder as to how the American values of self-reliance diverge from the Christian message of humble submission to external grace. Just because something looks and sounds beautiful doesn't make it gospel. (So American values diverge from Christian values? Has anybody told Sarah Palin?)
Look I have not seen this movie so I cannot argue the merits of the film one way or another. However it seems to me that these critics found much to like about the film apart from the fact that it was an affront to their religious sensibilities.
They liked the music, the animation, and most of the storyline. They just got their panties in a twist when Voodoo reared its dark, sinister head. And apparently voodoo is not presented in the best light imaginable, the villain uses it for evil purposes, and yet it's very presence is of concern to these modern day Cotton Mather's.
This is one of my major bitches when it comes to the Fundamentalist Christian perspective. This idea that information which represents a view differing from, or in direct contrast to, Christianity is somehow inherently evil. This is simply not the kind of thinking that should be going on in the 21st century. It just isn't!
This movie presented the first African American female lead in a Disney film. It should be celebrated for finally breaking through the animated glass ceiling and presenting a young lady that little girls of ALL races can admire and sing along with. But instead the film gets attacked for NOT having enough Christianity in it. WTF?
Did these same critics get bent out of shape when Merlin was teaching little Arthur about magic in "The Sword in the Stone"? Or when the good fairy gave the gift of life to a puppet in "Pinocchio"? Or when Wilby Daniels used a magic ring to turn into a four legged beast in "The Shaggy Dog"? Of course not. And those films were made back in a time when we were less educated than we are today.
So what is the problem? The skin color of the main character? Well I certainly hope not. The getting to first base with an amphibian? Admittedly a little gross but he is not REALLY a frog so that should not be a problem. So if not racism or fear of bestiality then what is it?
Well than it can only be fear of the unknown, and the superstitious nonsense that permeates the thinking of these so-called "critics".
First off there is NOTHING satanic about Voodoo. It is no more bizarre or evil than Shintoism, or Hinduism, or Jainism, or Judaism, or any other religion that is not Christianity. It is simply the prism through which the people of Haiti tried to understand their world. Which by the way is the origin of ALL religions.
Now this may anger some of my Christian visitors, but I am sorry it needs to be explained.
When Christianity was still just a small Jewish cult it was in a real battle for converts. One of the tools that was used was to label the other religious practices as "evil". If somebody was seemingly cured after making an offering to a rival god the Christians labeled that the work of Satan, and cast aspersion on the entire religion.
This was in fact what happened to the so-called witches.
These were usually mid-wives, herbalists, and pre-Christian healers who were utilizing methods that had been handed down from generation to generation to heal the sick and deliver children in to this world. But early Christians felt in competition with these primitive healers and labeled them heretics which provided the biblical license necessary to justify hunting them down and exterminating them.
And before you get all defensive about my picking on Christianity I should probably tell you that these tactics were not invented by the Christians, they are a tried and true methods used by dozens, if not hundred, of religions that came before and continue to exist today. The Christians were just much more successful.
So anyhow I would encourage you to base your decision on whether or not to take your child to "The Princess and the Frog" on what you know about your child's sensitivities, the quality of both the animation and musical score, and NOT on whether it will introduce an interest in exploring "black magic" to your impressionable youngster.
By the way, I had a very good friend who was a Wiccan once. One of the kindest ladies I ever met. Did not ONCE turn me into a frog.
all I can saw is good grief...
ReplyDeleteoh, and may I add a question for those who are upset with the alleged occult in this movie...
ReplyDeletehow do they feel about SP's witch doctor meddling in the occult?
Thanks once again, Gryphen. It is apparent that you are a true educator who is interested in dispelling half-truths, misunderstandings, and superstitions that pit various groups against one another in power struggles for money or control.
ReplyDeleteYou speak the truth. I have been and still am a student of philosophy and religion. I hope all readers of your posting understanding that religions are truly conceived and shaped by mankind (with or without divine inspiration).
You are right. It is important to step back and see the impact of humanity upon these beliefs, particularly if you are believer.
Once you do that, you pinpoint all the foibles and failings we are all subject to and can more easily see how these faiths have incorporated both the best and worst of our natures.
I believe that the majority of Christians will understand what you are saying and be in accord.
Those who follow the dominionist view are those caught up in the quest for dominance. They want to quell their fears of the "other" and the unknown through control and suppression. I suspect they will not listen to mainstream voices because their fear and their greed for power is too great. Thank you, though, for trying to get through to them.
Perhaps time will tame them. Fear, hate and a quest for control eat people up. If we do not allow them to take control of our society, they will fade from internal weakness. At least that is my hope.
The primary thing though is not to let them take control. We need to keep exposing their perverted logic for what it is.
Back in the sixties and seventies, these fundamentalist nutjobs were a hoot - sitting around playing rock albums backwards at half speed and shrieking out warnings about the satanic messages they were finding. Their wacko shit was always fun to listen to while rolling doobies - a good way to junp-started a party.
ReplyDeleteI thought J.K. Rowling handled their BS better than anyone else I could recall when they launched their attacks on her Harry Potter series for promoting witchcraft. Rowling issued the best F You to the wackos ever with just two words - "Dumbledore's gay." I laughed so hard I worried my dog.
The history of organized religion is the history of self-righteously wielded repression, and every period of enlightened progress has kicked religion to the curb in favor of the freedoms and individual liberties that religion can't abide. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - but it's hard to convince some people just who it is that they need to be watching.
Of course they will find "Darkness" and his minions...oh brother!
ReplyDeleteMost Alternate practices in Spirituality are mediatation and seeking wisdom through getting to know yourself, not depending on what church you go too! So Of course seeking spirual ideas or what ever without going to church is BAD, and they will just add oija boards for good measure.. and what about those imprecatory prayers those c'hristians been doing???? That's black magik in my book...!!! And that is REALLY bad.
Gryphen I'm glad you mentioned Wiccans...wiccans are wonderful people....who wouldn't even turn grifter in to a frog!!! (Although they might do a binding spell on her) heh!!!!
I am reminded of a time in the 80's when people were hanging board games on their walls as art. One thing I picked up at ayard sale was an original oija board. I thought it was cool and a fun jab at superstition. My BF at the time refused to come in my house until I took it down. Later I understood a lot about him, his evangelical past, and our weird relationship. I still have the oija board.
ReplyDeleteHow do they feel about those Disney classics, Sleeping Beauty and Snow White? Heavy evil witches and magic in those.
ReplyDeleteCan't include Cinderella since that magic was used for good and I guess if you call a witch a fairy godmother, it's OK.
I can't help but wonder if this finger pointing from the religious right is more about the fact that the princess is black rather than white.
My personal objection to the film is that they made the black princess into a European white princess who happens to be black. There's no black there except in the color pallette. She's the same Disney princess as all of the rest. I would have liked to see them go a little outside the box.
Fundamentalist objection to Disney has been around for a long time. Fantasia was labeled as satanic way back when I was a kid, as were other things like Bedknobs and Broomsticks, etc. The rightwingnuts continue to go off the deep end...
ReplyDeleteSomebody please explain to me why religion is not treated as a mental illness?
ReplyDeleteDang, Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteI thought you were going to close with:
"Did not ONCE turn me into a frog. She DID turn me into a newt, but I got better."
Great post.
Hoken: Great post!!!
ReplyDeleteLove it!
opps sorry for the typo's sometimes the spell check doesn't work... :(
Until we get rid of all religions and their accompanying prejudices and get down to realizing that we as humans are a happy accident of biology, chemistry, time and physics, then we will never all get along.
ReplyDelete(snark on) I have to say too, that I was bummed that she didn't show as much tit as the Little Mermaid. The black princess did have a nice booty though. (snark off)
ReplyDeleteHoken, I didn't know J.K. Rowling said that about Dumbledore! ROFL
ReplyDeleteSandra, I'm SO glad you still have the Ouija board!
No offense to my religious friends out there, but I just do NOT get the over-the-top views on classic/modern literature or movies. It's a STORY - as in FICTION! Not true. Made up. Imagination!
My best friend is a Catholic. One night she and I were discussing which movie we wanted to watch for Girls Night In. I suggested one of the Harry Potter movies. She adamantly refused to watch it because of the "evil" that it "promoted." She got a bit offended when I looked at her like she had a third eye after she said that and tried to reason with her that it was a STORY about good overcoming evil.
I love her dearly, but this is from the same girl that lived with her boyfriend and had premarital sex. The hypocrisy of picking and choosing what specific parts of a religion one wants to believe/practice drives me more batshit crazy than Palin herself!
I just do not get people who believe in superstitions. And superstitions is exactly what I call religion.
Back in 1992 Denise Stephens, a longtime Republican, charged the board of directors of New Heights school (which included Michelle Bachmann) with trying to set up classes on Creationism and advocating that "something called '12 Christian principles' be taught, very much like the 10 Commandments." According to Stephens, school officials also refused to allow the in-school screening of the Disney film Aladdin, claiming that it endorsed witchcraft and promoted paganism. Along with other directors, Bachmann appeared before the Stillwater School Board to address the parents' concerns. According to Stephens, Bachmann became angry and asked, "Are you going to question my integrity?", before she and four other members of the board resigned on the spot. (the above is from
ReplyDeleteWikipedia, but there are many such references out on the web. These people find evil everywhere.....
These people's religious beliefs are pretty weak if they fear losing them in a Disney movie.
ReplyDeleteGee--why didn't these hyperventilating religious wingnuts speak up about "The Little Mermaid"? Didn't they realize that Ursula the Sea Witch was obviously meant to represent the ruler of the underworld, aka SATAN? With two evil eels doing her bidding?
Did they picket the Star Wars movies every time they were released?
For that matter, did they form a human chain to keep people from seeing Harry Potter movies? Why not? It's evil! Satanism! The Dark Side!!! eeeeeeeeee!!!!
Oh, wait a minute. I have a brain and can think for myself. *whew*
We took four grandchildren ages 7-10 to see this movie last night. We thoroughly enjoyed it, and since we have 30, count 'em 30, grandchildren, we are somewhat experts on all things kid-related. We tend to rate kid movies on a "how many times can we stand seeing this as a dvd" basis, and this is definitely a thumbs up for us.
ReplyDeleteYes, there's a villian and magic, and since it's set in Nawlins, it better be voodoo. It's also about spunk, tenacity, self-reliance, never giving up on your dreams, friendship, love of family, sacrifice, and true love. The bad guy gets it in the end, and there is a satisfactory happily ever after.
The fundies can go elf themselves...
So someone calling religion a "mental illness" is allowed to comment here, but those of us who have tried to get people to be more evenhanded in their attitudes toward organized religion are called "trolls". Sad. It seems many people at this site dislike Sarah Palin because she is a Christian (or calls herself one, huge difference). They dislike organized religion, apparently, they dislike Christianity, particularly, and they act like Christianity is mostly represented by extremist Fundamentalist sects such as SP's Assembly of God, or the people having problems with this latest Disney movie. Very few comments here, when it comes to Christianity, reflect a more nuanced or complex (read: well-informed) viewpoint. It's tiresome, it's ignorant, and there's a massive double standard at play. This site's regulars seem to have an axe to grind when it comes to Christianity, so grind away. I don't care too much about a Disney movie, and I certainly don't see what it has to do with Sarah Palin, unless she has made an issue of it. I truly won't ever comment here again, it's pointless. I may check to see if you ever put your money where your mouth is, though, Gryphen....truly, Sarah Palin is the best thing that ever happened to you, isn't she? And the truth never even has to come out.
ReplyDeleteFavorite Rowling quote:
ReplyDelete"Do my books encourage Satanism?" she asked. She then answered, "No, and you are a lunatic."
Source:http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-pittpostgaz-hoover.html
I kind of like her.
During the days when I attended an evangelical church, I became aware that the kindest, most tolerant, and most trustworthy people I knew did not claim to be Christian. Some of them were, but they didn't feel the need to sell it.
ReplyDeleteI know evangelicals who pray to God as if He/She is a money-making, safety-ensuring, weather-changing machine. Put the quarter in and get the gum ball out. If this isn't magical thinking, then I don't know what is.
Gryphen, your clear mindedness is appreciated.
Namaste
There is plenty of documentation on the link between hyper-religiosity and mental illness. A lot of folks are just plain crazy and religion is their mania of choice.
ReplyDeleteIF I believed in the occult, witches, or black magic, I might see their point. But I grew up with all of that stuff in movies and books. It made it fun because it was all MAKE BELIEVE. Oh yeah and ghosts. You have to be a particular kind of dumbass to believe in that kind of stuff and yes I am a devout Christian. What a bunch of idiots.
ReplyDeleteAnon @8:16 I don't have a problem with Sarah because she claims to be a Christian. I have a problem with her because she is a phony Christian. I don't see that she exhibits any Christian values whatsoever, and the lying bothers me the most. But she is also vindictive and vicious. I think that I am not alone when I say this.
ReplyDeletethanks for the good post gryph.
ReplyDeleteit is not any specific religion (and voodoo is in fact an actual religion) or any lack of religion which makes us mistreat others, whenever such a thing occurs we must blame the individual, not the faith they subscribed too.
and yes, this is just as true when "christians" shoot dead doctors as when "muslims" bomb a market place -people who want to do harm will do it, and if they are cowards or have some mental illness they will blame their actions on "religious convictions". they will say anything to avoid facing up to the fact that hurting other people is just wrong.
no "true" religion says that killing innocents is a good thing. and, if it does, it is in fact an evil thing. and if it does not, but you "think" it does, then you personally are evil without excuses.
you don't need god to be good, but plenty of sickos try to use god as an excuse to be bad.
in the end, all anyone needs to adhere to is the simple and universal "golden rule" -do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
or, further simplified, "treat everyone well, and hope they treat you the same".....
i think it is wacko that anyone is protesting this film on "religious" grounds. i expected it to raise the hackles of those obsessed with "race", but "religion"? that was a shock. and a sad one (the racism stuff is always at least as sad too).
just color me a fundamentalist witch who's kissed alot of frogs and loves Jesus...Disney's gender stereotyping is horrible, but my daughter turned out ok anyway, and Alice in Wonderland and Fantasia are still in play at our hearth.
ReplyDeleteGreat comments, luna1580! I agree completely.
ReplyDeleteLord just saw this post from a "Black" conservatives site. His/Her review of The Frog Princess movie. Here is an excerpt:
ReplyDeleteAs I sat through the Princess and the Frog in a theater with my son, I was struck by the striking resemblance of the villian to our Resident in Chief-Barack Obama. The villain is known as the Shadow Man. Not only was the physical resemblance pretty obvious but so was some of the underlying qualities that both Shadow Man and Obama share. As the movie continued, I felt as if I were watching the 2008 election all over again, except this time with catchy music and a happy ending.
WTF??? Wow...this is just beyond stupid. Oh yeah here is the link to the Idiots website:
http://blacknright.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/obama-and-the-shadow-man/
I have tried to post a comment but...it looks like this is a typical Wingnut site...no dissenting views allowed. I'm awaiting moderation. Looks like the dude hasn't received any comments on any of his past post. Maybe I'll be his first one!!!
Ok, Gryphen you have got to read this post by "Blacknright"...it has left me speechless.
ReplyDeletehttp://blacknright.wordpress.com/chicagosgayhighschool/why-i-am-anti-gay/#comment-1231
These folks have just become a kaleidoscope of wacky factions.
ReplyDeleteCalling different religious or spiritual beliefs witchcraft is still going on in Africa by evangelicals. I have noticed a lot of those people who hate witchcraft don't mind Santa who functions almost entirely on magic.
ReplyDeleteWhat does it say about a person who needs either a bribe (heaven or gifts from Santa) or a threat (hell or coal in the stocking) to simply be a nice and considerate person?
ReplyDeleteDid I miss something? I saw the movie with my kids.... and we're 'christian'. I did not get that it was a stanic leaning CARTOON.
ReplyDeleteHowever, as a white woman raising a black daughter - I was really thrilled to see the princess being a woman of color. I say MORE! MORE!
Whats wrong with you? Don't you know the real reason they want to censor this film? Good grief,its a black princess!! When they go to the toy stores their little girls will be clamoring for a black princess doll!!!! This simply will not do!!
ReplyDeleteTo the Talibangelicals, ALL other religion IS the occult. To them, any religion which deviates from THEIR version of Christianity is either heretical or pagan.
ReplyDeleteThey are concerned less about salvation than they are with being self appointed gatekeepers to the throne of God. THEY have decided that only THEY get to pass judgement upon who is and is not a true Christian. If you don't agree with them then it is a clear sign that you are a heathen.
Funny how their beliefs are all THE TRUTH and everybody else's are nothing but mythology, the occult, and witchcraft. The Talibangelicals are just a bunch of ignorant and arrogant clowns who have reduced their religion to 1st Century superstition.
I'm with WakeUpAmerica. I'm a Christian who can't take SP's lying and heartlessness. She has about as much in common with real Christians as Satan does.
ReplyDeleteI guess they really hate Stephen King. I'm a grown-up. I will be the one to decide what I will watch and won't. I will not allow these over-conservatives to dictate to me. If they don't like the movie then don't watch it!!
ReplyDeleteDon't children have "imaginary friends" at some point in their development? Could this be construed as some kind of demonic possession requiring an exorcism?
ReplyDeleteThese folks are looney tunes! ALL good children's books have an element of evil. Heck, even fairy tales involve chasing and mutilating three visually impaired mice... What's next?
This is ONLY because the pricess is black.
Anon 8:16 If you've followed this blog, it's not all about Sarah or religion. It's about a lot of human interest subjects, including the right to free speech.
One of my best friends "was a Wiccan, once"? That's just how we like to be known, sweetie -- as dabblers who make good friends... for awhile.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, it's about skin color.
Just "dig a little deeper" inside yourself and you'll find what you need to achieve all of your dreams. Sure, there's magic, but it only shows up once you've done everything in your power to get what you desire. Her message is the epitome of works-righteousness, where the only counter to the forces of evil is the good inside the human heart.
ReplyDeleteI KNEW it! "The Wizard of Oz" is satanism!
nice post. thanks.
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