Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Todd Palin was not only the "Shadow Governor" he also occasionally signed his wife's name to his e-mails. Update!

So this poor woman, Georgette Kozloff, is VERY upset that, then governor, Sarah Palin endorsed her high school friend Joe Schmidt as Department of Corrections Chief despite a vote of "no confidence" by the Alaska Corrections Officers Association. And she sends the following e-mail to express her frustration.

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:34 PM
To: Governor Sarah Palin (GOV sponsored)
Subject: Corrections

Web mail from: Georgette Kozloff

Governor Palin,

I have long supported you and have absolutely been in love with how you
conduct yourself and conduct business for our State. I have been behind
your husband in his desire to go back to the Slope, stating it's no
one's business but yours and his. I have applauded you, flying out to
be at your son's graduation (my son serves in the U. S. Navy). I have
laughed and cried, and more recently read and viewed the pictures of
your newborn son, adoring how precious he is and knowing he's being born
into a loving and strong family.

Having said all of that, Governor, this time you have missed the mark by
a mile with your "unconditional support" of Joe Schmidt. All the good
things you've done.. .have been undone in one fell swoop in my eyes.
Everyone knows you went to high school together - so what are you
saying? That all of these people are liars and have some ax to grind?
I do not have family members who work in corrections - this is just
plain old common sense. You seriously need to rethink your stance on
this issue. Corrections is in a world of hurt. This man not only
didn't ask for more money for corrections (that's fine), but he GAVE
some BACK? And now you don't believe the people who have given him a no
confidence vote? Come on!

I didn't even write to you when you cut the DPS budget by 1.2 million
dollars, and I DO have a family member who serves this State as a State
Trooper. That was bad enough.. .but this .... this is just wrong and
believe me, you need to seriously think about rectifying this situation,
despite the fact that this jerk is your long time friend. Do the right
thing. Practice what you preach, Governor.


So here is a Palin fan who is suddenly VERY discouraged to learn that her idol is more interested in giving important government jobs to her trusted friends than in appointing people who are actually equipped to do the job.

For some reason Palin assistant Janice Mason sends the e-mail to Sally Heath (?), cc's Todd Palin, and also claims to have sent it to Randy Ruaro her Deputy Chief of Staff, even though it was obviously written to Sarah Palin concerning her decision to endorse Joe Schmidt.


From: "Mason, Janice L (GOV)"
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:14:02
To:Sally Heath
Cc:Todd

Subject: FW: Congrats/Corrections
This email has also been sent to Randy Ruaro (DPS). Thanks, Janice

However the really interesting part of this exchange is the e-mail Ms. Kozloff received in return.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, wrote:
Georgette,

Thanks for the "congrats"! Trig is amazing.

Re: the budget, not sure where you got the information or numbers you mention in your email,but we invite you to look at the actual DPS budget and the growth you'll see there. For further clarification on the numbers you seem to be referring to, feel free to contact my special
assistant on DPS budget, Mr. Randy Ruaro (he's cc'd in this email).

Thank you for contacting me, have a good weekend.
- Governor Sarah Palin
(WTF?)

Couple of interesting things here.

One, it appears as if this email were written by a ret....oops sorry...person of limited mental capacity.

Two, we may want to assume that this e-mail was written by Sarah Palin, but in fact, as the e-mail address fek9wnr(@iyahoo.com tells us, this email did NOT come from Sarah Palin's e-mail account but rather that of her husband, and shadow governor, Todd "Iron Dog winner" Palin.

Three, apparently Todd not only wrote this completely unresponsive e-mail but also signed it using HIS WIFE'S TITLE!

Perhaps we can still argue whether it was okay or not for Todd to be involved in state business. And argue the legality of allowing him to be cc'd on so many important e-mail communications concerning the state of Alaska. But I think almost anybody would draw the line at excusing a governor's spouse from signing e-mails while posing as the Governor of the State of Alaska!

The response from Ms. Kozloff is simply too good to leave out as she is clearly stunned by the fact that Todd/Sarah did not seem to even understand what her e-mail was addressing!

From: Jodie Kozloff Okozloff@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 4:50 PM
To: fek9wnr@yahoo.com
Cc: Ruaro; Randall P (GOV)

Subject: Re: Congrats/Corrections DPS budget

Governor, I will respond to this and then I won't be writing again.
My email to you was entitled CORRECTIONS and had to do with your unconditional support of your friend, Joe Schmidt. Your response addresses the DPA budget.

I won't respond as to the DPS budget numbers or Corrections for that matter. My email was
clearly ALL about your response and how bad it looks. You know that. Your response, or lack
thereof, only showed me that what everyone is now talking about is exactly true. You don't care what the residents of this State think. You don't care what the employees of the State think or feel. It's all about you and your friends. I am so disappointed.

Georgette Kozloff

It is kind of interesting to read the actual e-mail exchange that caused somebody, who was clearly a support of Governor Palin, to suddenly learn that the woman is a fraud.

There would be nothing wrong if Palin's staff (And let's remember that Todd was NOT on the Governor's staff!) were to answer an e-mail on her behalf, and sign their own name at the bottom. But it is quite another for Todd to answer that e-mail while posing as an elected official.

How many other times did Todd Palin pose as the governor? Let's remember that Todd Palin was not elected to any office! He should not even have been reading state e-mails much the less answering them while posing as Sarah!

I think we need to dig through these other e-mails, and see just how many times Todd wore the Naughty Monkey pumps and skirts in the family. Just WHO was actually running the state of Alaska?

P.S. For those who are claiming that Sarah herself might just have sent this response using Todd's Blackeberry, I have to say that you do NOT know Sarah Palin very well. She is NEVER without her TWO Blackberries, and it is very unlikely that she has ever needed to use Todd's to answer an e-mail.

Update: It looks as if Todd did indeed commit a class B misdemeanor.

AS 11.56.830. Impersonating a Public Servant.

(a) A person commits the crime of impersonating a public servant if the person pretends to be a public servant and does any act in that capacity.

(d) Impersonating a public servant is a class B misdemeanor.

(H/T to Smokeandmirrors)

107 comments:

  1. Anonymous3:11 PM

    Isn't she just going to say she wrote this from Tahd's blackberry? It really does sound like her whackjob vernacular.

    As much as I would LOVE to nail this on Tahd, I think they're both just gonna say she sent it from his BB b/c hers were not charged or something stupid like that.

    Urgh.

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  2. THANK YOU!

    Sorry for the shout, but had noticed that one myself, and just ... wondered.

    I wonder what the disappointed constituent would feel once she realized it was Todd's email address that her reply came from.

    So, thank you, thank you!

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  3. sme1313:18 PM

    I can guess there are most likely a LOT of emails Todd replied to on her behalf, but you (unfortunately) won't be able to prove it since she will just twist that lie hole she speaks out of and say she replied from his email address. Any idea what email address Georgette sent the original email too?

    Also, so she doesn't get bombarded by the palinistas maybe you could xxx out this woman's phone number and email address.

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  4. Aussie Blue Sky3:24 PM

    Let's not forget that the original complaint was posted on the STATE OF ALASKA WEBSITE - not sent as an email.

    A constituent using the government website does not expect to receive a rambling excuse from a fellow constituent - and should not!

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  5. Anonymous3:25 PM

    What's the big deal? How many times did Sarah pose as an elected official? Remember the "Where's Sarah" buttons? Etc.

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  6. Anonymous3:29 PM

    No one knows who was sitting at the keyboard sending e-mail from Todd's account. It could very well have been Sarah Palin. You can not say for sure whether Sarah Palin typed the e-mail and typed her title and name. There's no indication of an electronic signature or other proof of identity.

    Although you may have never told someone your password, never left a keyboard unattended while logged on, or never chose a poor password, you must admit that others do these things.

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  7. Anonymous3:31 PM

    Was this from the MSNBC e-mail database? I feel badly for this woman.

    And I still giggle whenever I see Toad's e-mail address because I read it as "feckweiner".

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  8. Anonymous3:34 PM

    What are you gonna do about it Gryph? Are you angry enough yet? We are.

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  9. Anonymous3:38 PM

    The GOVERNMENT released the e-mails to MSNBC with citizens' private contact info and MSNBC released that contact info via crivellawest.

    Any person that contacts any government official via e-mail or hard copy can and should expect to see the entire thing on the web for anyone on the planet to read.

    The "redacted" parts are to protect the government, not the private citizens.

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  10. BAustin3:40 PM

    Sally? why would they copy Sally?

    Any Alaskans know MS.Kozloff? I would love to hear what she thought when/if she noticed Todds email address on the response.

    Hope the MSM media picks this up!
    Even the faithful can see thru the shenanigans!

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  11. Anonymous3:43 PM

    Joe "Can I Call You Joe?" Schmidt, another Wasillan BFF rewarded with a job.
    Did Curtis Menard get a job too Sarah?

    Hey you bloggers, keep it clean!

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  12. I'm sure Sarah will use the excuse that she was only using Todd's Blackberry. I don't know anything about blackberry's, but when using a blackberry for e-mail, doesn't it actually say "sent via my blackberry"? In spite of all this, if Sarah was conducting official state business, she should have been using her own account. Oh, yes, one other thing...she used TWO Blackberry's, why would she need to even use Todd's?

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  13. Anonymous3:50 PM

    I'm wondering also like BAustin why would they send Sally Heath a copy? It doesn't make any sense. Did the mother know this woman?
    How odd that her family is so involved in just about everything.

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  14. Anonymous3:52 PM

    How sad not only for this woman but the entire state of Alaska. Frankly, Alaska has been diminished in the eyes of many because of that creepy Sarah and her 3rd leg Todd. it's also sad for the entire country. Sarah has made bald faced lying acceptable as truth.

    Heck and I thought it was awful here in Illinois but Alaska has us beat at this point. Now these emails make me wonder what the hell really is going on in that state. Seems your present Governor is no better than Palin and the legislature can't wait to undo any transparency that existed.

    I hope that Alaska can fix the mess Palin and others have created. It must feel awful. I know it feels awful in Illinois to have had a jackass as a Governor...Blowjobavitch...but at least he did get impeached. Geezez, politics really turns some folks into awful human beings.

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  15. Some people will excuse anything! (or not understand of what they speak)

    "No one knows who was sitting at the keyboard sending e-mail from Todd's account. It could very well have been Sarah Palin. You can not say for sure whether Sarah Palin typed the e-mail and typed her title and name. There's no indication of an electronic signature or other proof of identity."

    Really?
    For a start the reply appears to have been from which is known as Todd's account. I haven't seen the original eMail, nor it's electronic equivalent, but ALL emails also have extended headers which include the paths/IP addresses the message came from.

    Blackberries are their own device and don't use the email handle of public accounts. They have a different ID. Certainly you could probably use a browser on the Blackberry and sign on to a Yahoo account but why use Todd's? Sarah was renowned for using her own private @Yahoo.com accounts even though the Govt policy, if not legality, is that ALL communications are logged and tracked and should/would be the official gov.state.al.us account assigned to her.

    But hey, I'm sure "anonymous" is correct...

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  16. Impeach retroactively! I am SICK and TIRED of people referring to her as "Governor." SHE QUIT!

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  17. Anonymous4:06 PM

    Georgette wrote an excellent criticism of her Chuef Executives actions (her behind kissing was a little over the top but typifies the unjustified support the Palin's have enjoyed for years) - even her response to the asinine reply was perfect.

    Also, this progressing email exchange is a microcosm of the freedom loving People's legitimate complaint of Palin rule manifest there, perhaps so.

    I'm sorry Georgette was dismissed and her complaint belittled, but at least she had a breaking point when she realized Sarah was not in fact, above board.

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  18. Anonymous4:07 PM

    Is it comforting at all to appreciate the fact that Todd didn't write as God?

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  19. Was the email sent to Sally Heath to see if she knew the sender? I can't help wondering if the Heaths were keeping a list of disgruntled constituents.

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  20. Anonymous4:09 PM

    Why was Sally Heath copied on this? WTF? Was the whole damn family running the state? This just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

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  21. sally was in charge of corrections apparently as $arah tried to save the state of AK from the extra expense of using already employed state folks, also too, support the troops and free tanning beds for all, under God.

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  22. Anonymous4:16 PM

    So, not only was Toad involved in GINO buswax, but her BOTH of her parents, also, too.
    Can you imagine the nightmare these folks would represent if they ever got into some NATIONAL office????!

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  23. Anonymous4:17 PM

    I don't care who responded to this e-mail, their response was downright stuipid and didn't address the concerns re Schmidt. Sarah and Todd think alike and are both selfserving ignorants.

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  24. Whether it was SP or TP at the keyboard answering her, it came from a non-government email source. I hope the Georgette realized this and was incensed that this would not have come from an official source.

    And if she's paying any attention, now, and sees her email in these that have been released, I hope she's even more angry it was passed on to non-governmental people.

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  25. @Anon 3:31 It looks like Toad's email address reads f*** ANWR . I wonder...

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  26. Anonymous4:26 PM

    If "Sarah was renowned for using her own private@Yahoo accounts" for Alaska Gov't. business, shouldn't all the emails in these accounts be available for scrutiny?

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  27. Martha Unalaska Yard Sign4:28 PM

    It doesn't matter if she was using dumb hubby's Blackberry - that practice is just as bad. In this instance, any "reply" is going to go to Todd's email address which is improper conduct on Sarah's part. If she were really the one writing these, which she's not, Todd would have to forward ALL responses to his email acct to hers at the very least, and we know darn well he didn't do that.

    There are many people who would be quite upset to notice an email return address from someone other than the signed author - personally I would be furious! This is so unprofessional it just makes me sick. I agree - retroactively impeach!

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  28. Forever Anonymous4:33 PM

    Whoever sent the cynical response, did so using an unofficial email address to conceal their pettiness on how they handle criticism.

    Regardless of who wrote it, why is "The Governor" answering from an unofficial address to a constituent with a request to a public matter?

    Todd is responsible for its email address, so he impersonated "The Governor".

    The lady should have posted the response she got on the govt. website.

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  29. Gryphen: so glad to see this post and so timely. Now, you know I get upset about lots of Palin things. And though you may not remember this, but months ago I was ticked off about the expenses paid for by the State of AK for the Palins (travel, per diem, etc.). Again, sorry to be repetitive, I worked for a university in my state and I was also paid from federal contracts as well as state funds. I had to do travel authorizations for myself and my boss, and other staff. I know state regulations and federal on expenses. Today I have mailed letters to a couple of people in your state just rhetorically asking them their role in the ethical abuse of the Governor's Office by Todd and Sarah Palin.

    But not to my real point for replying to your post tonight: 1. Erika Fagerstrom is in a lot of those emails - to/from Todd, Sarah, etc. asking about how to charge certain things (and not just about the Governor's mansion). I was curious and googled her today, because she spent a lot of time during the Palin administration assisting them (even asking them) how to justify certain expenses -you know, like so Todd is there some event we can say Willow attended such that we can pay for her airfare? Stuff (not the word I'd like to use right now) like that! So I googled her today: the first thing that came up is actually an email originating with her, back and forth with Sarah, cc'ing Todd from early November (the 5th to be exact) 2007 to January 28, 2008 all on the topic of how to get the tanning bed installed and in what space in the Governor's mansion and how to get the wiring paid for. Why would someone pregnant (with a special needs baby) spend this much time arranging for the installation of a tanning bed? Now it could be for Todd (but isn't he away a lot and out of doors?) Could be for the daughters? Most likely was for Sarah. [BTW Erika Fagerstrom is still employed by the Governor of Alaska. Her title now is Assistant to the First Lady and Executive Residence Manager. She is the one who arranged for a Foundation to pay for a trampoline at the "House" because it would be a "fun addition," according to her emails to/from SP.
    2. Also under Erika Fagerstrom on the Google comes up an article in ADN dated 9/28/2009 concerning Todd's State Blackberry! I don't know how to imbed a link but will type it in for you: http://community.adn.com/node/131982
    3. Gryphen, somewhere in the vast emails and in one that was posted the other day either on Bree Palin's blog or Palingates, there is an email that I believe went to Sarah, maybe it went to her office, someone who claimed to know them and wanted to stop by and chat. I believe it was Erika, may have been Leighow, instead - apparently I didn't print that one - they sent it to TODD! Todd replied that he would contact the person himself to see what they wanted to CHAT about (and yes, he put CHAT in caps!) Omnious?
    4. Erika also helped procur things like tennis shoes for Bristol (emails dated January 12, 2007 - Todd and Erika).
    5. Check out the email correspondence between Erika and Todd dated April 27, 2007.

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  30. Anonymous4:36 PM

    Hey Alaskans - aren't your tired of this lying, cheating, power-abusing, above-the-law grifter and her sidekick making you look like fools?? How does it make you feel to know that Sarah and Todd are laughing about how they pulled the wool over your eyes, how they cheated the state and fooled the people? I guess it doesn't make you feel bad enough, otherwise SOMEONE would have taken them down by now.

    But...it's not too late! SOMEBODY out there has the information that will blow Sarah and Todd out of the water. The Palins have to be held accountable for their unethical (and possibly illegal) behavior. I can't believe you let it go on this long, Alaska!!

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  31. Anonymous at 3:34: I believe Gryphen is angry and has been angry and will be angrier and maybe angry enough after he reads more of the emails or we furnish him some of them with pertinent information such as what I just sent! And I am beyond angry.

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  32. Sally, Chuck Heath, Todd ... I think even Bristol and Willow were sometimes cc'd.

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  33. Anonymous4:45 PM

    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was Piper using Todd's account who answered this e-mail.

    On another note, the presence of Todd in another controversy has me looking for a good nickname for him and I think I have the perfect fit.

    re:Todd ........ Sarah herself has already said it's OK to use the term retard if it's for satirical purposes. And I'm starting to think it fits him.

    re:Todd, re:Todd re:Todd He's a re:Todd! ..... yup it's perfect.

    Rick

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  34. Anonymous4:49 PM

    This is very interesting--as the same thing happened to me. I wrote an email critical of the governor taking trip to work with her--having your kid at work with is a nice idea in theory but for all practical purposes not a good idea. My email was read I believe by Ivey and passed on to Todd Palin who responded to my email and signed Sarah's name. I found out about this by going thru the emails released to MSNBC. HMMMM interesting.

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  35. bri$tol was CC'd on some very odd stuff. is she a QIT (quitter in training), also too??

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  36. So, what now Gryphen? Another tease? Surely by now you have enough! How much longer? I don't live in Alaska, but this woman affects me as well.

    This has been going on far too long. Perhaps you could share some of this with other Bloggers who could help you put the pieces together with their sources.

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  37. grasshopper4:54 PM

    I just don't get it. There have to be dozens of disgruntled ex-Palin supporters like Ms. Kozloff just dying to tell their story about the former half Gov. Todd Palin and his (un)faithful floozy spouse. Is it strictly fear? Hard to believe. These people need to be coerced and be reminded that their info could nail these two assclowns. I'm sure they've been thinking about it for ions. Might be financially rewarding also, too.

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  38. crystalwolf aka caligrl4:55 PM

    Toad also was issued a STATE email!
    This was on Palingates via MSNBC emaiis....

    From: Fagerstrom, Erika (GOV) [/O=SOA/OU=FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE
    GROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=EFAGERSTROM]
    Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:13 PM
    To: Todd Palin
    Subject: Email Acct. on Blackberry

    Hi Todd,

    Would you like to use this email for your Blackberry or would you like a new state issued account? I need password too.

    Thanks, Erika
    **********
    I think all Alaskan's should bombard the Leg to have a SOA AUDIT and more ethics complaints about this. THERE Is still time!!!
    Impeach her retroactively!

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  39. Anonymous4:55 PM

    "FRAUD"... that's a good descriptor for sister... simple, clean and to the point.

    WHEN does the Grad Jury convene ???

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  40. Anonymous4:56 PM

    3:54 says
    "But hey, I'm sure "anonymous" is correct..."

    As it happens I am correct and you are wrong.

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  41. crystalwolf aka caligrl4:57 PM

    And WTF? Sent to Sally Heath??? A personal email she just passed around????
    Retarded! Toad $arah Both of them!!!

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  42. Irishgirl4:58 PM

    Check out the email alerts on the mudflats forum. Feel free to add anything.

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  43. Anonymous5:03 PM

    Hey gryphen,
    If you would like, I could forward a copy of emails that I sent to gov that were included in emails released to MSNBC. I would like them to remain confidential however. It is another example of Mr. Palin inappropriately involved in state business

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  44. for those wondering about Todd's e-mail addy and it's meaning:
    fe(iron)
    k9 (dog)
    wnr (winner)
    Irondog winner.

    should have been shdysdowgv -
    "shady shadow governor"

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  45. Anonymous 5:03, I would LOVE that.

    And don't ever worry about protecting your identity, I am pretty well known for never giving up my sources.

    Just send the info to gryphen2009@yahoo.com.

    Thanks.

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  46. crystalwolf aka caligrl5:29 PM

    Gryphen, tomorrow is the Quitters B-day I hope you have some special for her and us? Always the hopeful.

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  47. laprofesora5:33 PM

    Why did he bother to respond if he wasn't going to address her concerns? These idiots still don't get that when all you have to say is something stupid, it's better not to say anything at all.

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  48. Patience is paramount. Go back to Levis comments,

    Johnston went on to say, however, "There are some things that I have that are huge, and I haven't said them because I'm not going to hurt her that way. ... I have things that would get her in trouble and could hurt her, will hurt her, but I'm not going to go that far."

    He's a kid with a lawyer. If he knows, then the proper authorities know, also too.

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  49. kdusmdd5:37 PM

    I just thank God in Heaven I don't live in Alaska. I used to think it would be a beautiful place to live. Now, I believe it's Hell on Earth. but...now...it seems that the Palin Plague is entering the lower 48, Hawaii...and...the world.

    Please Please somebody stop this mess.

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  50. Yet another reason to never ever vote her in as prez.

    Can you imagine what would happen if muckmud imadinnerjacket wrote an email about uranium enrichment to her? The response would be something like this:

    Dear President Hussein:

    Thanks for noticing that I won the Iron Dog! It was a great ride and although we cut a few corners, we won! Can I send you my old snow machine?

    Thank you for contacting me,

    President Sarah Palin
    email@todd.gov

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  51. Anonymous5:41 PM

    'm looking at the PDF of this particular series of emails.
    The citizen sent the email TO the Governor.
    "Janice" screened the email and, instead of forwarding it to Sarah, chose to forward it to Sally & Todd instead.
    For all intents and purposes, Sarah NEVER saw that email and never replied to it...

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  52. Janet in Texas5:41 PM

    jeeeeezus ! So "Sarah Palin is a fuck*ing retard" obviously married a "fuck*ing retard" as well. No hope whatsoever for those poor kids of theirs, or at least "hers". I'm beginning to wonder if Toad fathered any of them ???? Not that it would matter.

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  53. Anonymous at 3:43 writes, "Did Curtis Menard get a job too(,) Sarah?"

    Yes, Curtis "got a little (job)." Then there was Piper.

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  54. Anonymous said...
    No one knows who was sitting at the keyboard sending e-mail from Todd's account. It could very well have been Sarah Palin. You can not say for sure whether Sarah Palin typed the e-mail and typed her title and name. There's no indication of an electronic signature or other proof of identity.

    3:29 PM
    -------

    Irrelevant.

    It was inappropriate to respond to a constituent's email that was received on the state server thru a private email account. That it was sent from the husband's account instead of her governor's account is doubly inappropriate.

    Now get back to the kitchen and make me some pancakes. Wipe the brown stuff off your nose first.

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  55. CGinWI5:47 PM

    I'm curious. If a person is a state employee and actively assisted another state employee (say a governor) is violating ethics regulations, could an ethics complaint be filed against that person who did the assisting?

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  56. Anonymous5:49 PM

    Seems to me she whole damn family and buddies all covered for the idiot. I'm sure most of the residents in Alaska don't even realize any of this talk is going on in the blogs.

    Someone IN Alaska needs to start a Say No to Palin protest and do it big enough to make the MSM. A lot of people in the lower 48 think everyone in Alaska are still supporting her.

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  57. Anonymous5:50 PM

    So the deal Sarah made with the powers that be (were) was she could leave her job as governor and they would not pursue charges against Todd (Chuck, Sally, Bristol, Willow or anyone else) who were cc'd on government emails.

    This is such a blatant violation of ethics and laws, I have to wonder for a society based on guns, hunting, fishing and all that other matcho stuff, how come there aren't any real men with teeth in Alaska? The people who filed the most significant ethics complaints against Palin were women.

    This is pure crap! Todd does not deserve a government issued blackberry. He cannot sign for the governor, and he cannot conduct state business. Period. One of the early excuses was that Sarah was away from home (or office) and was emailing things to Todd for him to print out since she did not have access to a printer.

    For all of the emails that Todd has received, I do not recall the heading: Attention Todd: No printer available. Pls print 3 copies and leave on my desk. Thnx

    Let's just reverse the situation. It's Bill Clinton in the White House, and Hillary is getting copied on security clearance stuff. When Bill is busy, Hillary writes the return email from her own account and signs the name of the President of the United States, using that title as well. Now think about that impeachment trial. How many people would defend this kind of behavior?

    So, get with it Alaska, you have the emails, thanks to MSNBC. What do the Palins have to do to get arrested? Cut brake lines in school buses? Break into the State House and steal flags, statues and chairs? They have already looted your treasury asking for free travel for their kids and money to stay in their own house. Where is the pride in your own state? You will go down in history as allowing some really corrupt stuff, unless that's what you stand for.

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  58. Excellent work Gryphen!

    I hope this story is picked up by that MSNBC reporter and becomes known nationally.

    Why on earth does Sally & Chuck Heath need to receive state emails? Were they working on Palin's enemies list? You've got to wonder...

    I never thought to search under Sally Heath though. That's a new one.

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  59. Anonymous6:02 PM

    Rick at 4:45, Todd the re:Todd is good.
    Sara could be Quitter Liar In Transition - QLIT.
    The QLIT and the re:Todd.
    What a pair!

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  60. Gryphen writes, "I think we need to dig through these other e-mails, and see just how many times Todd wore the Naughty Monkey pumps and skirts in the family."

    Any photoshoppers with some time on his/her hands? Here's a fun job for you.

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  61. FEDUP!!!6:11 PM

    OK. Rehashing:

    - Now we have PRIVATE CITIZENS (Toad, Sally, Chucky, Bristol, Willow, etc) being cc'd about state business, yet she claims State secrets to redact.

    - We TONS of private phone #s (including Cheney's) and private email addies of private citizens.

    -We have confirmed open attempts at embezzling money from the State for the benefits of GINOs family.

    - We have Toad (and probably others)impersonating a State Official (as per him and others signing off with her name/title).

    IS THERE NO WAY TO INDICT/PROSECUTE/WHATEVER HER FOR ANY OF THIS???

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  62. Anonymous6:17 PM

    @5:44 PM sauerkraut says:

    "Now get back to the kitchen and make me some pancakes. Wipe the brown stuff off your nose first."


    Your logic and manners are disgraceful. And your "humor" is pathetic.

    I give you no commands only my contempt.

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  63. As I look thru the emails, I am curious if any of the state employees using state email addy's questioned clearly sending state business information to Todd on his yahoo account. I would have thought state employees know the rules regarding state business.

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  64. Say NO to Palin in Politics6:29 PM

    If emails were forwarded to Sally, it was because Sally knew this person or someone in connection with this person who could influence or should know about this 'defector' citizen who had the gall to speak up.

    People, remember this is a small community environment. People know each other. Sending this on to Sally, to me, means this poor woman was now a target for a 'talk' at the very least or for Sally to use her community skills to dig in to where this supporter ties came from. Like dig out this mole and bury her.

    This is what is so fricking wrong with her administration and her, period.

    A normal citizen making an observation or expressing a concern to a government official is disrespected and investigated.

    I applaud this woman.

    And I am in total disgust with what Scarah has done in AK government.

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  65. Say NO to Palin in Politics6:32 PM

    I also wish, there was a comment accepting program that would only hold non approved or non accepted posters.

    I understand the need for moderation, but, geez, why those who are known and okay.

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  66. Say NO to Palin in Politics6:34 PM

    DaisyDem, if this gets through, you have some VERY good points. Thank you.

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  67. gregory6:36 PM

    When I think of all of the people in Iran who are bravely protesting and losing their lives (to expose the truth) - and then compare it to the people who protect the Palins because they are "afraid," I could cry.

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  68. womanwithsardinecan6:38 PM

    They are all TRASH. Plain and simple TRASH.

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  69. ...dang...
    I was thinking that "Tard" would show-up in the email trail more and more...had no idea that it would be in this way/manner.

    And to think, I heard one of her supporters (my co-worker) say that there is 'no real proof' that they actually communicate about state business thru their email accounts...it was OTHER ppl sending "Tard" the emails...not Sarah-rah...SO ONCE AGAIN, she is let off the hook in the eyes of her (sleeping) sheep...

    lucky for me - back in '08 I discovered AK Bloggs, there-by not able to sleep on the facts...

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  70. Just thought it this email was interesting.

    http://www.crivellawest.net/pdf/1104.pdf

    Her speech kicked ass....

    That was Todd's comment on April 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM.

    Wasn't she having "contractions" at that point? And his only comment is about the speech. Shit, I know husbands who would be saying a bit more at that point if a baby was on the way.

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  71. Gryphan I appreciate your analysis and the time that you have put towards this ugly task.
    I want to see the redacted emails! Everyone of them.. I hope and pray that the release of these emails help Ms McLeod's case. She is determined to make the case for Alaskans to have access to all the emails that also went to Todd. There should not be executive priviledge with this corrupt bunch..

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  72. emrysa7:11 PM

    anon @ 5:41 sez:

    "'m looking at the PDF of this particular series of emails.
    The citizen sent the email TO the Governor. "Janice" screened the email and, instead of forwarding it to Sarah, chose to forward it to Sally & Todd instead."

    this makes me think that sarah was "out of commission," and todd & mommy were handling her business so that people didn't think she was gone or having a meltdown.

    I notice the date of the first email was 4/24/08. the week after trig was presented.

    maybe the quitter was freaking because she just took on a dependent for the rest of her life and the implications of that were hitting home. funny, she CLAIMS she didn't take any time off for her new baby, but this makes you wonder...

    what other explanation is there for a staffer sending an email to todd & mommy that was addressed to sarah regarding official actions of the governor?

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  73. Anonymous7:16 PM

    Gryphen, have a look at Phils latest blogs, there is a "concern troll" trying to turn the bloggers against you!

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  74. Anonymous7:17 PM

    HOUSE OF BRAT - I've been trying to contact you via your contact page, but it doesn't seem to be working properly and the message won't send. Can you check it out?

    GRYPHEN - If you have contact with the investigative reporter at MSNBC, have you alerted him to some of the findings that are being posted? Such as the regularity of the Heaths being cc'd, Todd being issued state blackberry and email address, etc.

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  75. Gryphen, this is superb. I've emailed the link to Andrew Sullivan.

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  76. Anonymous @ 7:17 pm: The form must be malfunctioning for some reason. You should be able to access my email address off my profile. Just click on my name and it should be on the left hand side. Thanks.

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  77. Gasman8:08 PM

    If and when she actually decides that she is cut from presidential cloth and announces her candidacy, THIS is one of the issues that will come back to bite Sarah Palin right in the ass. There is no way in hell that she can justify Todd acting as unelected Deputy Governor.

    I know Palin likes to cite examples of famous couples where an unelected spouse serves as a confidant and trusted aide. That is one thing. Doing official business in an unofficial, unelected position which is answerable to nobody is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    If Todd was acting in an official capacity, he and Palin were violating the spirit, if not the letter of the law. They very well may have committed actual crimes.

    What dopey folksy bullshit will she spew to try and cover for this?

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  78. Anonymous8:13 PM

    HOUSE OF BRAT - Got it - message on its way - Thanks!

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  79. Anonymous8:19 PM

    Let's put this in context: complaints again Sarah or her style of government are forwarded to her father and brother, WHO ARE HEAVILY ARMED. Any more questions about why everyone in Alaska is afraid of this family?

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  80. Alaska Statutes

    Sec. 11.56.830. Impersonating a public servant in the second degree.

    (a) A person commits the crime of impersonating a public servant in the second degree if the person pretends to be a public servant and purports to exercise the authority of a public servant in relation to another person.

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  81. Bear woman8:29 PM

    Gles @6:28:

    Some knew state rules, some didn't, none cared because they wanted the power and job.

    When educated about things like retention schedules, it was ignored. I speak from attempting to teach....

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  82. A post from Georgette Kozloff's blog during the campaign

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/nosarahpalin/gGgyVl

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  83. First to Say No to Palin in Politics at 6:34: you are welcome! We are in this together and Sarah if you read this: for the LONG haul!

    Second, to Gryphen: Man, I apologize for the disjointed, rambling, misspelled long comment. I was excited to log on and find you had posted about the emails and I had just decided I would research Erika and her role in perpetuating the "grifters."

    Emrysa at 7:11 has a good question that had just occurred to me this evening: WHERE was Sarah? I had read right after I googled her the first time (and thank the Lord Almighty discovered these blogs) that people in AK, especially Juneau, had buttons that said "Where is Sarah?" but now this takes on new meaning. If Todd was answering emails, going to meetings, had an office in the Governor's office, and may have been for all practical purposes running the State, where was she? Mental institution? Too much meds? Initial plastic surgeries? Breakdown?

    More points I make about the expenses: in a State or Federal situation there is a chain of command (authorizations, approvals) that is usually followed. WHO, who was approving all these expenditures? Even the President of the University I worked for had to have his travel and other expenses approved by the Dept. of Legal Affairs! For us (lower on the chain) There were levels of approval: chair of dept.; Dean's Office, Research Adm. (if it involved a NASA or other governmental contract)... you get the point. Who was approving expenditures? Anyone?

    And what was/is Parnell's role in the State system? He was an elected official as Lt. Governor. Was he aware of the inappropriate level of involvement of Todd Palin? Was he aware of the unethical abuse of spending state monies? Did he speak up? Is he guilty of a dereliction of duty and perhaps aiding and abetting criminal activity?

    And unfortunately, the same may apply to Erika, and Ms. Leighow(sp.?); Janice and others in the office of the Governor of Alaska.

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  84. gregory9:06 PM

    I spent some time searching the e-mails. What was MOST glaring was that TODD (NOT Sarah) was the one being sent e-mails from State workers (Frank Bailey, Ivy Frye, many others) and VERY RARELY was Sarah in the loop. Everyone seemed to understand that Todd was in charge.
    I saw NONE with Parnell in anything, and I viewed approx. 100 e-mails.
    If this does not alarm the DOJ and AK Dept. of Law, I do not see what could.

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  85. Janice Mason. There's that name again...!

    If you are helping SLOG through the emails, keep this name in mind, and see if anything else pops up.

    Janice Mason was the Governor's SCHEDULER. In Juneau, right? If the Governor was pg with a special-needs child, shouldn't this woman know that the governor had doctor's appointments in... Wasilla? Anchorage? and had to fly to/from Juneau?

    This is the woman who, 50 days before the Governor 'gave birth', suggested that she and Piper take a ride down a 9-10' slide made of ice...

    Here is the email that was sent to Todd:



    http://www.crivellawest.net/pdf/893.pdf

    From: Mason, Janice L (GOV) (janice. mason @alaska.govj

    Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:04 PM

    To: External Emailgsp;
    fek9wnr@yahoo.com

    Cc: Perry; Kristina Y (GOV)

    Subject: Schedule - Wed. 02.27 - 03.08.08

    Importance: High

    Friday - 02.29.08 2:15 p.m. - Town Square, South Side of Performing Art Center

    - Governor and Piper Invited to ride down 9-1 Oft. ice slide. There will be media attending. This is the WILDFEST Winter Festival - a production of Alaska Destination Specialists, Inc. This is the first year of this festival.

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  86. sunnyjane11:07 PM

    I thought this comment from Ms. Kozloff was particularly interesting:

    "Your response, or lack
    thereof, only showed me that what everyone is now talking about is exactly true. You don't care what the residents of this State think. You don't care what the employees of the State think or feel. It's all about you and your friends."

    So, in April of 2008, "everyone" was talking about Sarah's "good old boy" networking for her friends. Isn't that something she was SUPPOSED to stamp out during her administration?

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  87. I don't know anything about blackberry's, but when using a blackberry for e-mail, doesn't it actually say "sent via my blackberry"?
    ______

    yes, but even if Sarah had borrowed Todd's BB, she should have signed into her own email account in order to correspond legally with a constitutent. I think Todd wrote the response.

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  88. Anonymous2:22 AM

    BUT look at all his qualifications... here is the shadow governor's work/educational background in his own words.
    (http://palinemail.crivellawest.net/pdf/592.pdf on page 5)

    I'm on the slope working night shift,here's run
    > down of my work
    > > experience's.
    > > Commercial fishing since age eleven.
    > > Growing up I worked in the family business's which
    > included,lumber
    > > yard, restaurant, hardware store, marine and snow
    > machine shop.
    > > Never attended a vocational school.The high
    > schools I attended had
    > > great wood,welding and mechanic shops.
    > > Worked in the Labors union building concrete
    > weights for the Natural
    > > Gas Pipeline from Beluga to Anchorage.
    > > Worked in the IBEW union,on the job training to
    > become a telephone
    > > wire man.
    > > Attended college for two years,no degree.
    > > March 1989 hired on with BP,on the job training
    > program to become a
    > > production operator,a total of twelve of us were
    > hired for the
    > > program.

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  89. Anonymous2:23 AM

    It takes two to "tangle"

    http://www.crivellawest.net/pdf/453.pdf

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  90. Anonymous2:47 AM

    emrysa has a good point. Sarah may have been out of commission and the family seamlessly took over. Because as controlling as Sarah is, and communicative, I can't see her telling her staff, oh sure just forward emails to Todd and mom, they'll take care of it, I don't need to see it.

    I think this is called enabling, and many of us have done it. You get sucked in, you defend the person at all costs, you cover for them, lie for them, and help them function during times they are in breakdown mode.

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  91. When I was looking thru emails, I noticed Todd did a lot of travel. I have to assume it was on the state's dime. So there would have been expenses...per diem, airfare, and other fees. Wonder if anyone thought to get an FOI on Todd's expense reporting.

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  92. Please send these email links to Bill.Dedman@msnbc.com. He is the reporter who is working on this story. The anonymous who posted above....your emails are in the database, I have read them.

    Won't post the links here, but needless to say, this person was concerned about Sarah bringing her newborn special needs baby to work with her, and she received an email back from Todd's yahoo mail address about breastfeeding, etc and signed Gov Sarah Palin.

    More importantly, we can see a pattern of family members getting involved in Mafia style intimidation...Sarah and Todd don't like what constituents are saying in emails, so they involve Sally Heath or whoever else to put pressure on them? Seems like "Sit down and shut up" was the mantra of the Palin administration.

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  93. Anonymous5:38 AM

    Thankful to MSNBC regarding this review. Say ruh probably allowed her batteries to run down once in a while and grabbed Todd's Blackberry. What a way to "run' government. When she "becomes" President this is the way she will "run" the United States. Isn't she cute? "Noboobody messes with Jo". Also, too, MSNBC has to review because the print media in Alaska is intimidated I believe. Further, the state of Alaska will not invoke any sanctions retroactively because the entire state government is corrupt I believe. Also, the feds in Alaska I believe have to some extent been coopted. "Cooperate" says the Chief Supremem Court Justice. I say: Don't Cooperate! Speak Out! Say No. I won't go along with your coopted cohesive forgive everything Say ruh did and said agenda. I say unseat her appointees. I say Alaskan bureaucrats OBEY Alaskan laws for once. Please! OBEY THE STATE OF ALASKA LAWS JUST ONCE! They are laughing their heads off at how far they can go in breaking laws up here. No laws are followed by bureaucrats. Speak out? To WHOM? Exactly? The newspaper...a-a-a. The Palin people gave the print media a "talking" too. The television media is being purchased by the repub machine. Who we gonna speak to...our Congressman and Senators? Aren't they on board with everything to date? Mark Begich would be a stand alone guy if he denounced all of this. No, the mess is much larger than say ruh and Todd. Say ruh would turn the US over to whomever. It's her modus operandi. Look at the 77,000 state employees private information. That wasn't lost or stolen. I believe that was "given" and for political purposes. Since I'm not a dirty tricks expert I can't imagine why but I'm sure there is political treachery involved. Anybody got any testosterone at all left besides me?

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  94. Anonymous5:45 AM

    The high
    > schools I attended had
    > > great wood

    Maybe AK's shadow governor should have spoken at the loggers convention?

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  95. LisaB5:51 AM

    Wow. This is huge IMO.

    Complaint from constituent forwarded to mom and husband, with a token CC to an actual government employee.

    Clearly, the identity of this person was important. "Do you know this lady?"

    The argument that it was merely sent from Todd's BB hold no weight. It still was not sent to the governor. Why? Where the hell were her BBs?

    There is a long record of intimidation when Sarah gets negative feedback. Todd and company would actually call reporters at home if they didn't like the coverage. Was this lady singled out for "re-education" from the Palin camp?

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  96. I think this has the potential to turn into something huge. Look at the evidence:

    Where's Sarah button's - she wasn't ever around. Todd and Sally Heath answering e-mails on Gov. business, many times
    No medical records shown when running for VP.
    I don't know about you guy's, but I'm thinking some sort of mental breakdown/episode, that the family was covering for.

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  97. Anonymous6:43 AM

    I mentioned this over at Bree's site and it was mentioned above - in all the months leading up to her giving birth to Trig lie are there any emails with any mention of a doctor (CBJ) or nurse or hospital appointment? Even if she wanted to keep the preg private you would think there would be some passing mention to the office scheduler, "I've got an appointment this afternoon - can't meet with anyone." It doesn't have to mention a doctor's name or clinic just that she is busy. Then she announces her preg and the emails after that would, I would think be very open to the fact that she would have doctor's appts. This was/is a high risk baby I would think there would be weekly appointments up until she and Toad flew to Dallas.

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  98. Mental breakdown (which has also been suggested by Schmidt and others on the campaign trail with her last year); drug use; plastic surgeries? I think it might be the mental breakdown (with prescription meds in the mix that maybe aren't always managed well) because of the erratic speech patterns we've seen, the changes in appearance day to day, her eyes look funny recently to me, her constant need to have one of the children with her (usually Piper) and other family members, coupled with some of the stories that have come out in her book and from her own mouth. She is mentally ill and since my husband and I are in that field, I say this kindly, not disparagingly, but she needs help. And we do not need to be seeing her on the national scene campaigning for President or even having an influence on national politics.

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  99. BAustin7:39 AM

    I agree that the family was jumping in to help cover up something.


    No one would think twice if they received an out of office reply on anything but the most important state business in the first week after the birth of any child, let alone a premature special needs baby. Yes, I know super woman didn't take maternity leave, but no one would care if she was unavailable for a few days.

    And.....doesn't ALaska have a lieutenant governor that could fill in for her on state business while she was....OH nevermind!

    When are the rest of the emails coming!

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  100. Impeach*retroactive8:06 AM

    "Impeach her retroactively!"
    Impeach her retroactively!
    Impeach her retroactively!

    Just do it!

    Get them all before a grand jury. State employees, associates, assistants, contractors, consultants, hired help and family members.

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  101. If anyone thinks for one second that the State of Alaska is going to do anything to Sarah Palin, her husband or her family you are kidding yourselves.

    She has been allowed to completely rule the roost as it were, she is consistently cleared of all wrongdoing, even when it is blatantly either unethical or illegal, so now that she is no longer in office (but her pals still are) why would anyone think that these folks will do anything to her?

    They won't. The Legislature wouldn't even go so far as to effect any punishment for the contempt of court charges levied against Todd and SOA staff.

    Nothing is going to happen to Sarah as far as the State Of Alaska is concerned.

    The best bet is to concentrate on getting this information to the public and splashing it across the media headlines to show the world what she is truly like behind those closed doors of hers.

    Make sure that people know that she is not transparent, she is as bad if not worse than the majority of the CBC (corrupt bastards club) and do your best to ensure that she is never in a position to have any say of any kind over the rest of us.

    The majority of Alaska doesn't want to hear about or deal with her anymore.

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  102. Anonymous9:00 AM

    Here is another where Janice sends an email to Sally and CC's Todd. It is interesting, because Sally admits she should not have been CC'd on it, and Todd's response to Janice is also interesting.

    http://www.crivellawest.net/pdf/1320.pdf

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  103. Impeach*retroactive9:27 AM

    I agreed, the State of Alaska is corrupt, worthless and complicit. No way will they do anything that is not Palin approved.

    I continue to support and believe in Alaskan activists, protests, street and guerrilla theater.
    "Impeach her retroactively!"
    Impeach her retroactively!
    Impeach her retroactively!

    Or anything that an give more Alaskans a voice.

    Alaska show your spine. Your state will remain corrupt and grow worse but at least you could say Alaskans did their all. The great stands on it's own and these folks need more support and legal aid. If you don't have proof or info take it to another level. Start impeachment process or file lawsuits. Activate until there is a GRAND JURY. At some point the feds will have to take over.

    No hope for Parnell, the State of Alaska and all. They will have to be removed from current positions.

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  104. Anonymous1:26 PM

    Dear 9:27 am: Alaska HAS shown it's backbone. How do you like it? Should Alaska be a state? We con't concur with civility evidently. We hate education. We dream of putting all our neighbor's kids in gulags forever and we're doing it. Step on in. Step on up. Good look. We have lots of naughty people up here. But at least they're happy. :) That's all that matters. Right? Actually, I think the law ought to be applied to government as well. Or we get...this.

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  105. Jezzz-us this state is screwed up. Many of the political appointed hacks that were installed by Sarah Palin and Lt.Gov-in reality- "Re:Todd" are still employed to serve and protect our state. Outrageous.

    Just what changes did Lite Gov. Parnell make when he took over? It has been six months and I keep reading about all these former Palin pals and incompetent hacks still employed. They should be fired and charged with different crimes or just go and work for a lobbyist or PAC somewhere already.


    This family of Sarah Sharpie and "Re:Todd" thought they were given carte blanche to get away with anything. I despise them. Pretty much from age 15 on up. And Piper is just on the borderline, when she finally is allowed to be in a classroom-she'll show her true colors and have cheat answers written on her palm too. I want an audit, I want charges filed. I am disgusted with all the legislators. I am disgusted with the attempt to weaken the ethics law here, if anything it should be strengthened.

    Andrea Mcleod is a saint. The Ralph Nader of Alaska. Thanks you msnbc for these emails, now get those other 25,000 and the redacted ones. Free the emails, the smoking bullit, since muzzled Wasillians and state employees/politicians have no balls. And we thought Paylin was better than Murkowski, we were wrong.

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  106. Was a 16-17 year old and her dimwit Re-Todd dad and the Monster family running the state while Sarah had a mental breakdown?? With all this family ccd you can only assume this was happening! And this was before/after being picked as VP candidate. Sicko. Double sick.

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  107. Anonymous8:30 PM

    Before the quitter quit didn't she talk with rovie and dickie?

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