Monday, June 28, 2010

New post up on the Daily Dish about the Trig Palin birth story.

(Photo taken on March 26, just eighteen days before Sarah gave "birth" to Trig Paxson Van Palin)


From Andrew Sullivan:

Trig's political salience is obvious, and critical to Palin's brand - in fact, the only thing, apart from her amazingly good looks, that keeps her in the game. For generations, pro-lifers have voted Republicans into office on a strong anti-abortion platform. For forty years, they have been largely let down. They understandably feel as if the leadership condescends to them, exploits them and does not really believe in the cause. This was true of Reagan, Bush, and the second Bush. So how does a Republican politician truly convince the base that he or she is a true believer on the life issue? Nothing does that like walking the walk of carrying a special needs child to term. (And indeed, if that is the case, it speaks enormously highly of Palin, in my view, as I have said from the very very beginning.) The way in which Palin has not let this speak for itself but has relentlessly exploited her story and child makes this an even more salient political issue - and one which deserves appropriate press scrutiny, as with any other core campaign platform.

But there has been no press scrutiny. In fact, there has been enormous pressure from the press not to investigate the story and to mock anyone who does so. No MSM interviewer of Palin has ever asked a single question about the bizarre stories that Palin has told about her political prop - not Oprah, not Couric, not Gibson, not anyone. Newsweek has reprinted minute details of Palin's story as fact with no independent confirmation but Palin's own words. No MSM newspaper has asked for or demanded easily available proof of the pregnancy and birth - except the Anchorage Daily News, after the election, which prompted Palin not to quietly offer proof to an editor keen to put the entire controversy to rest, but to explode in rage.

Excellent post! And I encourage all of you to click the link provided at the top and read the entire thing for yourself. 

I really appreciate that Andrew Sullivan still has the balls to pursue this story.  Sometimes it feels as if one by one, those of us who had doggedly pursued the real facts behind this story, simply dropped by the wayside from exhaustion leaving just a few hardy souls left to carry on the fight to reveal the truth behind Sarah Palin's mythological fifth "pregnancy".

83 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:57 PM

    Wonder if McGinniss is covering babygate. I'm guessing he and Andrew have spoken.

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  2. "Dropped from exhaustion" is a diplomatic way of saying "threatened with bodily harm and/or death."

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  3. Anonymous1:04 PM

    drip, drip, drip. Hear that Ms. Palin? It's the sound of the truth edging out into the full glare of public scrutiny. You did a pathetic job of faking a pregnancy but you were given an amazing free ride. Now it's time to tell your puppeteers to get the story out and try to bury it. Won't work, but, hey, give it a whirl.

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  4. FEDUP!!!1:15 PM

    "Sometimes it feels as if one by one, those of us who had doggedly pursued the real facts behind this story, simply dropped by the wayside from exhaustion leaving just a few hardy souls left to carry on the fight to reveal the truth behind Sarah Palin's mythological fifth "pregnancy". "

    That's EXACTLY what $P and her handlers were counting on, and that's exactly what they got!
    Give it a couple more years, and ALL will have shut up, because there is only so much ridicule people are willing to take. :(

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  5. Anonymous1:17 PM

    Yet, it is story that must be verified and told. The nation cannot afford to allow a pathological liar to come anywhere near the Presidency. Palin is already doing untold damage to the nation through her vicious lies and ignorance of history, science, and the world.

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  6. Anonymous1:21 PM

    When this comes out, it will give new meaning to the word EPIC.

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  7. Anonymous1:24 PM

    If you click on the photo, and then magnify it using the zoom feature under "view" you will see something very strange on Sarah's abdomen. It appears as a square under the thin sweater that she is wearing. There is a strange white spot in the middle of it. (Is that a hole in her sweater?)

    Some time ago, there was a short-lived blog which examined every photograph of Sarah that was taken between January and April, 2008, using high contrast techniques. Other than two staged photos taken in a deserted hallway, bearing a questionable time stamp, every other photo showed a slim Sarah with none of the appearance of pregnancy. For a nice set of pictures which really raise the question of Who's Trig's Mama?, please check out http://palindeception.blogspot.com/

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  8. Anonymous1:28 PM

    Would someone please tell me why no one involved in this cover-up has come forward. All the whodoo voodoo about threats just doesn't ring true, after this long a time. Someone at the hospital must know that SP wasn't there and didn't have a baby--in fact, many many people would have to know. Lots of people in Wasilla have to know. How is it possible that no one has broken the conspiracy of silence? That's the only part of the whole nutty tale that I don't get. I get that she didn't have the baby; I don't get why no one is talking. SP isn't Pol Pot; she can't torture and wreck mayhem on entire populations. Someone please give me a plausible reason why this nuttiness is not all behind us. Please.

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  9. Anonymous1:29 PM

    Any explanations here Sista Sayrah; Bristol; anybody?


    "On July 5th, Bristol Palin makes her television acting debut. The young mother of Trigg and Trip Palin, will appear on an episode of ABC Family’s “The Secret Life of an American Teenager.”

    http://thefastertimes.com/tv/2010/06/28/bristol-palin-makes-her-acting-debut-its-even-better-than-you-imagined/

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  10. Anonymous1:32 PM

    Just a couple of thoughts:

    Jonathan Bernstein didn't even consider the 4th and most disgusting possibility - that SP adopted a Down Syndrome baby strictly for political expediency (and not to cover for someone's inconvenient pregnancy)

    Which reminds me.... where is Ruffles?

    Also, I adore you Gryphen for your persistence and conscience, and as long as you follow the trail, there are many of us who will be right here with you and not drop by the wayside! xo

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  11. Pat in Branson1:36 PM

    True about those that have dropped out but let's don't forget the ones who were threatened and for whatever reason could not deal with it. I wish you had Morgan and Bree and Palin Deceptions working with you again. My only hope is that the 3 of them are working with you behind the scene and commenting here at times as "anonymous" Please keep on fighting. I am ashamed at the way people look at Alaska now and have made Wasilla a scum pond.

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  12. Anonymous1:46 PM

    Andrew Sullivan's

    "And only Joe McGinniss seems to give a damn."

    will certainly crank up Sarah Palin's mental instability problem.

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  13. Anonymous1:46 PM

    Wish Andrew would do a book on this...

    MSM has too many brown nose wimps afraid to touch this story...

    Keep the pressure on... Sarah will crack.

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  14. Anonymous1:53 PM

    Trig truthers are just as goofy as the Obama birthers or those who think NASA faked the moon landings.

    Doesn't anyone think that if there were even a shred of truth to this, someone would have come forward by now? Wouldn't some anonymous clerk sneak a copy of Trig's birth certificate and leak it to the press?

    You folks are so desperate to believe this story it is amusing.

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  15. Anonymous1:53 PM

    I just finished reading this Gryph before heaing over here. Andrew is so right. This whole drama of Sarah/Trig has been completely taken as given. Never have we allowed one person to get away with more. I saved the video of him from Joy Behar's show when he was stating the very same things. Maybe hilight that video again Gryphen considering he speaks about Margaret Thatcher as well.

    It's just a matter of time now. Between your site and Pgates getting linked to quite a bit here lately someone will finally realize just how important and VALUABLE this story is, especially if you're the one or one(s) to break it wide open.

    Maybe just maybe the people with the facts will realize they have everything to gain by outing her and what they know.

    Protecting Sarah Palin is not patriotic, it's spineless. She doesn't need protection now she has all the money in the world while the ones with the truth probably could really use something positive in their lives & the true satisfaction of knowing they stopped someone who is behaving in such a way from further damaging the political spectrum not to mention the money Mrs. Palin is happy to grift from poor Americans who foolishly think she really cares about them.

    Keep at it Gryph! Thankfully we always have Andrew Sullivan to remind and shame his colleagues & to keep the story alive. The truth will eventually be known........think of the affairs, dirty deeds, lies, gay lovers, etc. that we eventually ALWAYS learn the truth about.

    Tick tock Silly Sarah just a matter of time.

    Oh yeah and before I forget regular readers please do yourselves, Gryph and me favor and stop responding to the troll that always leaves one lone comment per post. It's obviously Todd, Sarah or one of her children, Meg, RAM, etc. so just ignore the tool. They don't need/want education nor repsonses other than to get you away from talking about SARAH! Stay focused and you Todd go get a job or do something positive with your life.

    Maybe work for a charity helping the disabled, maybe deliver some meals to the elderly, go help the Natives with all your great building skills. Your pitiful defense of Sarah doesn't matter to us, we'll never be convinced something is there when it just isn't.

    Just as we all knew the Supreme Court's appointment of a total fraud, idiot and criminalas President of The United States would lead to bogus war, financial collapse, broken laws, tarnished relationships with allies, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, etc. we also know that your wife Sarah too is a fool, a fraud and a liar.

    MCitychick

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  16. Anonymous2:04 PM

    I agree. Gryphen and his "bots" are pathetic. You even have Mercede Johnston stating that Sarah gave birth, who by all means Gryphen says is credible and we should believe all that she says. I guess that means everything except the Trig Truth that puts food on Gryphen's table.

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  17. Anonymous2:08 PM

    Thanks for this post.
    Some journalist or lawyer or a person with a conscience will eventually realize that Sarah's tale needs investigating. HIPAA can be overridden in cases of fraud or national sceirty issues. The FACT that Palin used the fake pregnancy to give her street cred as VP candidate shows she is one crazy mofo. If her being one crazy mofo isn't a threat to national security, then what the hell is??

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  18. Anonymous2:09 PM

    Actually, there's a very plausible explanation for why this hasn't been made public. If this was a private adoption (perhaps from a different state than Alaska), arranged through church, etc., the birth parent(s) would be unlikely to have a clue what happened to their baby. The people who arranged it would be precisely the ones who'd keep it quiet. The notion that "something would have leaked" is based on an unfounded assumption as to the circumtances of an adoption.

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  19. Anonymous2:14 PM

    1:32 said:
    Jonathan Bernstein didn't even consider the 4th and most disgusting possibility - that SP adopted a Down Syndrome baby strictly for political expediency (and not to cover for someone's inconvenient pregnancy)

    I believe this theory.

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  20. Anonymous2:18 PM

    Yes, 1:53 - where's that pesky birth certificate? And why did sarah wait until the last minute to release a very suspicious health statement? If Palin had nothing to hide, why not let the world see the real bc?

    Palin was running for VP, a public office. You can't run from public scrutiny.

    BTW 2:04 we know you are 1:53 - haha!

    There's an old saying, "If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch." Now big dogs are nibbling her naughty monkeys and they are circling her. Too bad Sarah, too bad.

    Jaye

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  21. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Anonymous 1.52 PM,

    I disagree with you. We are not goofy....Sarah s rise ( with the word "LIAR" behind her), is discrediting women in general. She needs to show the world that she is not telling lies, by providing a birth certificate. What is so hard with doing that. Instead of going after every persons who questions this saga.

    As a mother, I do not believe Sarah Palin's baby story either. I am not a Liberal. I am a Republican.
    The difference between the 2 is. Obama proved to the world that he was born in US. A birth certificate plus the records from the hospital where he was born were published all over the internet. What is so hard for Palin to provide records of pregnancies and birth certificate. If she does not have it, then she has to do a DNA testing.

    Where is Trig's birth certificate? and a record of birth from the hospital? Sarah should provide to shut the critics.

    Otherwise, even I doubt that she gave birth to Trig. The baby story of breaking water and flying, sounds too odd. I am a mother, and I do not believe her story.

    How about DNA to put all this to rest if the hospital is still manufacturing a birth certificate?

    I can list all GOP elected officials who demanded President Obama's B/certificate, and he did provide.

    Since Sarah is so aspiring to be president, she can not step in that sit without proving to the world that she is not a liar.

    Birth certificate please. Actually DNA would be great.

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  22. icstraights2:28 PM

    To Anon 1:53/2:04

    All us folks in Juneau, AK here saw her 'instant' pregnancy first hand up close and in person.

    You just keep telling yourselves whatever you need to ;-)...

    Rupert Murdoch has the doe to suppress a lot of info/people, but not forever...tick, tick, tick...

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  23. Anonymous2:33 PM

    "Wouldn't some anonymous clerk sneak a copy of Trig's birth certificate and leak it to the press?"

    Exactly... wouldn't they? This whole Trig story is amazing in the fact that it has gone on as long as it has when all Sarah Palin would have had to do is show a birth certificate of Trig or have the 'mysterious' doctor sit down for a legitimate interview (without an attorney) and explain how darling Trig was delivered into this world to Sarah Palin.

    No one can tell me Palin likes having all these blogs popping up all the time with the 'rumors' about Trig. We know how paranoid she is about bloggers. So logical people have to ask themselves, why in hell would she allow nagging persistent rumor to just hang around. And every time someone like an Andrew Sullivan posts his well-reasoned complete legitimate posts asking very simple questions, a few more logical individuals scratch their heads and says, "Yeah,what did happen? Why doesn't she just prove Trig is hers?"

    Why does she let these rumors hang out there in the blogosphere?

    IF Trig is hers, it is the simplest thing in the world to prove - the simplest!!!!

    If Trig isn't hers, well then everything becomes very complicated. Nothing is simple. Everything must be done through obfuscation, diversion and ad honimem attacks which leaves logical people asking even simpler questions.

    Sarah Palin. Are you nuts? Why do you abuse your family and special needs child this way?

    Remember this is a woman who has USED that baby to validate her very political existence. This is also a woman who threw her 17 year teenage daughter to wolves in front of the world as if that somehow proved that Trig had to be hers since he couldn't be Bristol's.

    This is the woman that is honestly being talked as a legitimate political candidate for President of the United States.

    Keep the pressure on - EVERYONE!

    With someone like Sarah Palin being touted as a legitimate candidate for one of our two major political parties, we are the laughing stock of the world!

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  24. Anonymous2:42 PM

    Andrew Sullivan is right.
    Media is to blame for not investigating this story.
    Although I am not suprised with that.

    Gryphen, just to back track, did I read some where way back in 2008 that Sarah Palin had some witch finder from Africa who prayed for her success?

    If that is the case, then Media is just as blinded as her followers who do not see through things.

    There is no way, Sarah can get away with all the scandles, unless....someone signed a deal with the devil...I mean spiritually, like they do in the voodo world. I can say Africa, because I know many in this country both women and men who believe in Psychics. So No PRs of saying Sarah did not counsult one. (witch finder)

    I am one person who witnessed the power of Voodo, If what I read was true that Sarah hired some Witch founder from Africa to pray for her, then guys you have a big dance to do.

    The good part is, once you are aware of it,and keep pounding on it, it starts losing power. Those who believe in Prayers, should start praying about it in spirit like she does.

    I am not bullshiting, I have witnessed black magic.
    The only advise I can give you is something many of you do not believe in. Evil done in sprit is stopped in spirit.
    Those things are real trust me.

    Let me dig the witch finder story, Sarah used who came all the way from Africa. I will be back

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  25. Anonymous2:42 PM

    I'm 2:04, but not 1:53 as you guessed.

    I can tell you why there's not DNA or a birth certificate. It is because Sarah Palin owes you people NOTHING! Why would she go through that just for you drama lovers. It would never be enough. You still would believe someone produced a fake birth certificate or lied about the DNA results. Why don't you all post your kids birth certificates and have DNA tests done on your own children since you think she owes this to you. I haven't seen anyone ask for the DNA of Obama's children. How do we know Michele wasn't getting busy with another man?

    Why are you truthers ignoring how every Johnston claims that SP gave birth too?

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  26. Quiet12:47 PM

    I've always felt the big cover-up points directly back to McCain and his operatives. They couldn't have the truth come out, no matter how horrible, because it would reflect even more poorly upon McCain, and in turn, the Republican party. Fast forward to 2012, McCain won't have a place in the election -- or with any good favor in the upcoming Senate run, the political scene at all, and whoever is vying for the Republican presidential nomination will spew whatever dirt it takes to win over Sarah. My theory : )

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  27. Anonymous2:49 PM

    It is very difficult to prove a pregnancy that never happened.

    It is very easy to prove a pregnancy that did happen.

    There is no proof that Sarah Palin was pregnant in 2008 and that she gave birth to Trig. None whatsoever.

    It would take Palin seconds to make this story go away forever. Then again, it is impossible for Palin to prove something that NEVER happened. That is why Palin remains silent.

    Palin is a coward and fears the truth more than anything else.

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  28. Anonymous2:54 PM

    I bet there will be warnings and rumblings before the mainstream media finally pick up the Sarah Palin fake pregnancy/fake labor story. Probably similar to how John Edwards's affair was divulged. There were little leaks before the deluge, sort of like Palin's dripping fake amniotic fluid. Let's not forget the fellow who spoke to Todd in the airport while the "laboring" Sarah placidly read a book. That's the kind of labor most women would love to have. My husband clearly remembers how I grabbed his collar and nearly asphyxiated him during labor with our first. He's probably lying. I'm sure I must have been lolling in a hammock reading a Daniel Steele novel.

    But how long do we have to wait. I'm fearful, too, that five years, then ten years will pass and nothing will ever come to light.

    If Palin were black or Hispanic, all of this would have been verified and reported on 18 months ago.

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  29. she's a fraud2:59 PM

    Sarah Palin is a confirmed liar.

    Therefore, anything and everything Palin says and does must be questioned. Otherwise, she gets away it.

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  30. emrysa3:02 PM

    yep that was a great post! interesting too that he didn't have a jump. put the entire thing right on the front page.

    "No one in the McCain campaign asked for confirmation and some in that campaign now privately wonder if the whole thing wasn't and isn't a scam."

    even though that doesn't do any good now, it's still good to know.

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  31. Okay to the "Anonymous" poster who keeps trying to make the case that "all" of the Johnston family say that Sarah gave birth to Trig, you are quite incorrect actually.

    Number one go, back and read Mercede's answers more carefully.

    And number two, Sherry has never gone on record with her opinion, but I know it, so be careful about including her.

    And as for Levi, well he has been very careful in divulging what he does and does not know. And as for his appearance at the hospital on the day of Trig's birth, well the word that has been used to describe that by people in the know is "staged".

    And just to let you know, the people who visit here are pretty bright, and it is very unlikely you would have convinced them that Sarah is telling the truth about her pregnancy.

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  32. Anonymous3:13 PM

    The difference between me and Sarah Palin is this. I still have the plastic ID wrist bands from both me and my daughter from the day she was born. I have the presentation birth certificate that the hospital gave, with both finger prints and foot prints that match my daughter. I have photos taken of her in the little hospital bed with her name displayed above. There is an official copy of her birth certificate stored at our country records office; I can get multiple copies of it if I need to. She has a passport in her name, which she could not have obtained without legal ID. I'd consent to a DNA test if anyone ever disputed the fact that she was my daughter. And, we are not public figures.

    If Sarah chooses to run for President, I suggest that she start working on the fake birth certificate and get her fake witnesses ready because Sarah is going to get much more scrutiny that she ever got from the McCain people. I would also like to suggest that Sarah get her accounting in order. She receives $18,000. in travel expenses for each speech that she gives. She will have to prove that she spent $18,000. in travel expenses. If she only spent $17,000. then she has to declare $1,000. income, or return it to the place that paid it. A presidential candidate's IRS records are going to be raked through with a fine tooth comb. And, there is that house that looks like the sports complex. Records, records, records, tricky tricky tricky.

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  33. emrysa3:26 PM

    two assumptions that people should question:

    1) there is a birth certificate, and

    2) there are official adoption papers.

    neither one of those things has to be true, and in my opinion, neither are true.

    no papers.

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  34. Anonymous3:38 PM

    Some commenters are saying the wild ride is the truth.

    No NICU for premature downs syndrome baby is enough to eliminate Palin from consideration for public office. Anyone that says Palin "gave birth to Trig in April 2008" is stuck with an insane wild ride.

    So Palin is either a fraud or indifferent to the life of an unborn child. Who in their right mind could let her run USA government?

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  35. I have great hope (there's that word) that the bloogers who have endured the blowback for exposing the SP deceptive practices will be there to ensure that this does come to fruition. Please carry on for all of us who wish you success in this difficult mission. That is true love of country. Her reckonin' day can not come too soon.

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  36. Anonymous3:40 PM

    "Yes, we have three photographs of her looking slightly pregnant (though much less so than in her previous pregnancies) toward the end of her term, but we also have photographs, like the one above, from the same period revealing almost nothing at all."--sullivan from the link provided


    the clothing she chooses to wear is finely tuned---certainly, this has been noticed before, but as it is, backing it up more and more---the horserace wear and then from this weekend's speech---this photo kinda like the latter--

    i guess it is all just image/photos...but what does it mean

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  37. Sorry this is off topic but found this video of Scarah in Tyler Texas. She seems to be more open among her "fans". Again same old lame stream media remark, Willow is her entourage, and criticizing our President.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=576BEGCmEDw&feature=player_embedded

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  38. Anonymous3:42 PM

    Anon 1:28: You are only assuming that Trig was born in Wasilla. Could have been a home birth, could have been a preemie in an Achorage hospital or one in Washington State where she has family, and she wasn't famous then. We don't know the truth about any of it so that may be why no one in Wasilla talked, they don't know anything!

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  39. Anonymous3:46 PM

    I staged a fake wedding shower, with photos. I married an English friend for his Green Card (no felony, he went back!) so we staged this lovely shower with all our waiter friends dressed up, borrowed kids to make it look family-like and there were mounds of empty Tiffany Boxes and other "gifts" so, it does happen, people stage baby showers in real estate offices, new baby presentations, whatever....

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  40. Anonymous3:47 PM

    the clothes chosen---the racehorse outfit to this weekend's one...micromanaged to 'benefit' the most from each appearance-according to a rollercoaster deference--but i think glenn beck is comedic genius so....

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  41. Anonymous3:47 PM

    John McCain certainly has the experience to execute a cover up of humongous proportions. This one would be small potatoes for him. Who knows about documents being manipulated or forged? Clerks may not be in a position to know the truth. When people get more into the background and atmosphere of what Wasilla is like, they would not even ask about why no one has come forward. Wasilla is not like most places that people are comparing this to.

    Also, remember that SP made an announcement about being pregnant early March and alleged to give birth the end of April. It was only two months when people would have seen her in the pregnant mode. Most of those two months she was trim. At times she did expand and go back down. Examine the above photo on March 26. By April 13 she was photographed looking large. The only real big pregnant look was that photo, she was in a hall after a session in Juneau. That picture has a strange history if you care to know details, look it up. After she was so big she again lost that stomach and was thin.

    In 2 weeks she went from flat stomach to large stomach. Later to be less large and to where no one could tell she was pregnant by April 17th. The flight back to Alaska she should have the big stomach yet no flight attendant saw a pregnant Palin. If you believe Sarah was pregnant you don't want to go there it will shatter your illusions of love.

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  42. Anonymous3:50 PM

    second one is better :) i don't mean to fill up your comment box, but this last time i just noticed the yellow box 'your comment will be visible after approval' didn't think it worked the first time...keep on with your good work sir.

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  43. Anonymous3:56 PM

    Almost forgot, another Alaskan blog said this: "FYI....People are finally talking around here!!! This week has brought to light for me a confirmation from two separate people that Bristol indeed has been pregnant twice.... Thats all I'm sayin for now."
    Syrin is from Wasilla and has close contact with people who are in a position to know. Not saying we know what it means yet but it is an intriguing twist.

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  44. Anonymous3:56 PM

    I recommend the zoom option on the photo. I enlarged it and zoomed in and realized that it's not so much the weird front under her coat, it is that the little girl is right up against her and if there were a real belly there, Palin's arm would be curved out and she would have to lean a bit to get her arm around the girl.

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  45. womanwithsardinecan4:06 PM

    Excellent summary of why this story matters. Whether you lean toward the wild ride, as I do, or go with the faked pregnancy (I have an aversion to conspiracy scenarios, but this one remains to be proven or disproved), the simple truth is that Sarah is a liar. Whether she gave one last try at a fundie abortion or concocted the entire thing out of whole cloth is not as important to me as finding out the truth and sticking it in that nutball bitch's face. The "lamestream" media is indeed lame, and getting lamer by the minute. Epic fail on their part.

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  46. Even IF it was her baby once her water broke the protective barrier for the baby is broken. It takes very poor, let me go further and say even negligent judgment to not go straight to the hospital.

    With my second baby my water broke. Sorry for being graphic but I leaked so much that I had to place a towel to get to the hospital. My doctor told me to get in there right away. I had spotting during my pregnancy and it was considered a risk factor. Sarah supposedly knew her baby had DS with that can come physical problems, and she took a plane all the way back home, then went to an out of the way hospital?? It doesn't make sense.

    The hospital I went to was only about 10 min away. Even with that my doctor told me to go in pronto! Being a person with COMMON SENSE something Sarah brags about that is exactly what I did. Her story does not add up to any woman who has had a child. Especially with risk factors involved.

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  47. SME1314:24 PM

    Forget a birth certificate people, it will name her and todd as the birth parents just like ALL adoption birth records show. The original from whoever did give birth is sealed and cannot be unsealed without a hell of a good reason.

    Her medical records which she NEVER disclosed or DNA testing is the ONLY thing that will put this to rest. Chances of getting either are slim to none.

    That is why we don't have to ever worry about her running for president. She cannot risk anyone seeing those records.

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  48. Anonymous4:24 PM

    At 32 weeks pregnant.

    Photo of Sarah with big stomach on April 13, 2008 34 weeks.

    Sarah was pregnant with Track. Don't know how many weeks. There is also a picture of Sarah pregnant with Piper where she is in proper shoes and looks pregnant.

    I don't care if she wants this to go on and on, the longer it takes the harder she falls. Whatever you believe it is welcoming to think that a serious investigation will be soon. With enough circumstancial evidence it will open the door to legal probes.

    "For me, the issue here is about the political-media system that now operates in America. It was a system that never challenged the facts about the rush to war in Iraq - something I take personally as a failing of mine as well as of everyone else. It was a system that allowed a vice-presidential candidate to be selected by a Google search, with no vetting, and didn't insist on an open press conference for the entire campaign. It was a system that gave a pass to a candidate who could have become president if a 73 year-old cancer and torture survivor were to become incapacitated, and who had a long, documented record of crazy lies, tall stories and a chaotic family life, because it was too unseemly to ask such a question and because asking it would have provoked an uproar from the heartland." Andrew Sullivan

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  49. icstraights4:30 PM

    Bravo womanwithsardinecan!

    Yesssss, the media dropped the ball big time on the Palin Wasillbilly Clan.
    Hey pussy-cats; why don't you guys grow some balls?!! Where is that guy that outed McCrystal in the Rolling Stones? We need that guy investigating...something has ALWAYS stunk here. A bow and applause for Gryphen and other blogger's dedicated to exposing the 'retarded' Alaskan Gimmick for what she is: Nothing.

    Do your fucking job mainstream media! We double dare you.

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  50. Okay, I am sure this has been discussed before....but is Trig receiving care due to his Alaska Native American blood? Now I don't know if it matters what percentage of bloodline.... So I would assume if Sarah had thought this whole baby thing thru she'd make sure to register this child. In other words baby would have to be part Alaska Native American....so are there stats on adoption of children with Alaska Native American blood? And is this handled totally thru the Alaskan tribes?
    I don't know how well thought of Todd is with his piers in his tribe. Hope I'm making sense.

    Also there's that request from state personnel regarding Trig's birth certificate for state medical insurance purposes....... So a hospital bill had to be submitted by Sarah to cover birthing...and without a baby birth certificate...fraud.

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  51. Anonymous4:43 PM

    I have 2 observations/scenarios:
    1. Bristol supposedly wrote on myspace the mother duck comment, which implies to me that she isnt pregnant but there is a baby involved somewhere down the line
    -Ivy frye writes on twitter about mcleod accosted Sarah at the repub thing and mentioned it was just weeks before trigs birth. ??? which wouldve been march sometime.
    -from bristols comment in june to trigs alledged birth month is 8 mos. still leaves room for the premature birth.

    - if a baby was born in march sometime, did he die? whered the triggybear baby come from, who obviously looks like today's trig?

    To me, someone not from anywhere near alaska of the NW, Sarah looked pregnant. going through official pics n order from nov- april, something happened with her. you cant really fake a personality change. (yes I said it even about sarah).

    we shall see wont we. personally I couldnt care less as long as all babies get tlc. I just like drama

    2. Sarah was pregnant and miscarried/baby died from whatever postpartum; she is on video getting teary while discussing Trig (have no idea whereI saw this, but there was at least one instant. There was another instance where she said "I have great respect for women who have lost child." or something like that. whether her miscarriages happened or BRistol lost a baby, idk, but I know that happened as well

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  52. Anonymous4:53 PM

    Forget that this is about Sarah Palin. Whoever your Governor is, can you imagine they would do that? It is the most incredulous ass clown thing I've heard in many moons. If not criminal for elected officials to go after a private citizen in Alaska it should be. What she did is awful and not to be tolerated. That is not the only time she targeted and violated Gryphen. Is it the last? No one turns her in and she will repeat. What if Mercede does continue to speak up and it is not in accordance with how Sarah wants to rewrite her history?

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  53. Anonymous4:55 PM

    The birth certificate may show them as parents if they adopted him, but the problem would be the DATE of Trig's birth would be off. THAT'S why she doesn't want to release Trig's birth certificate. It would open up a whole can of worms.

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  54. I was thinking about the Trig mythological story the other day. What if Palin had actually been pregnant, but her actions during the wild ride and nutritionally during the pregnancy were so horrendous it resulted in the baby dying? What if her behaviors during the wild ride finished the fetus off resulting in it's death before or shortly after birth. I also have a very strong suspicion there is substance abuse on the level of the parents, most likely alcohol and perhaps prescription drugs. SP may have wanted the baby to die due to fetal alcohol effects, possibly not looking like her husband, or something else. So, elimination of the baby she was carrying would cover up some information she would want to keep from the public. Trig may be a replacement baby with pure Down's which paints a different picture than an FAS baby, etc. Something is not right with her story, otherwise she would have produced a birth certificate.

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  55. Anonymous5:01 PM

    true, an "adoption" BC would show Sarah and Todd as parents BUT would also show Tri-G's birthdate as January.

    Also remember, this would have been SP's SEVENTH pregnancy, not her alleged fifth. She had two miscarriages/abortions. As a high risk mother who had previous problems with pregnancies, she would never have gotten permission to fly when pregnant with a DS child.

    However, none of it is true except in her head. She covered for Bristol's pregnancy....nobody seems to know what happened to the preemie shown at Cole's baby shower. What people DO know is that THAT baby is not the healthy and HUGE preemie presented by old Chuckles and then again a couple days later by Todd and Sarah.

    The feminine Todd lives separate from Sarah. They do not live together and haven't lived together since Todd rented the house McGuinness now rents.

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  56. SME131 and others who think Sarah can't run for the presidency without disclosing medical records or having press conferences -

    Oh, how I wish I could agree with you. Unless the press changes the way they cover her, Palin can get away with anything. Hopefully, the citizens won't allow her to be elected; but she can run. Don't forget that then-Candidate Obama only submitted a medical letter, although his doctor did take questions from the press.

    I am encouraged by Andrew's post. This statement was very intriguing: "No one in the McCain campaign asked for confirmation and some in that campaign now privately wonder if the whole thing wasn't and isn't a scam."

    I didn't think McCain's staff would be able to question the pregnancy but this seems to set the stage for that to happen.

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  57. Janet in Texas5:18 PM

    Palin's days are numbered. And she knows it.

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  58. Gryphen - I forgot. I also want to thank you for sticking with this story.

    And, also too, the Obama birthers based their charge on thin air and various faked birth certificates. Asking questions about very real photographic evidence and a nonsensical story does not make one a conspiracy theorist.

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  59. Anonymous5:35 PM

    One of the biggest clues of "babygate" for me is SP's LOVE of being "persecuted" and playing the victim.

    If there was the smallest chance of pulling out documentation that would prove she was TriGs birth mother, she would call the press to say of the bloggers who point out the all the odd circumstances of TriG's birth "Oh! Those HORRID bloggers! They are being so mean to me and my iconic baby!"

    You can bet she would be making a HUGE fuss about this story... and threatening to sue everyone for defamation.. but all we hear is silence.

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  60. Anonymous5:39 PM

    Andrew Sullivan is right - the press is doing a wretched job of asking the hard questions and keeping at it, until something approximating the truth is uncovered.

    I salute the memory of Steven Colbert kicking ass and taking names during the Bush Press Dinner.

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  61. Anonymous6:03 PM

    The only thing that bothers me, is that Anne Kilkenny said Sarah gave birth to Trig. The pictures of Sarah and the fact that people in the legislature (and others) were surprised when she announced her pregnancy at seven months, however, makes one re-consider. And the fact that Levi said he knew something that would be damaging.

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  62. Anonymous6:06 PM

    "I'm 2:04, but not 1:53 as you guessed.

    I can tell you why there's not DNA or a birth certificate. It is because Sarah Palin owes you people NOTHING! Why would she go through that just for you drama lovers. It would never be enough. You still would believe someone produced a fake birth certificate or lied about the DNA results. Why don't you all post your kids birth certificates and have DNA tests done on your own children since you think she owes this to you. I haven't seen anyone ask for the DNA of Obama's children. How do we know Michele wasn't getting busy with another man"

    First Anon 2.04, you sound like you are Sarah Palin answering this. The reason is,we know how obsessive you are with President Obama.
    The jump to Michelle Obama. LOL.
    Listen.

    Hey just provide a DNA and a Birth certificate. Someone seeking a higher office, I would guess, they should be ready for scrutiny.

    Many immigrants like myself have provided birth certificates and DNA to the state department. It is one of the requirements if the consular officer is not satisfied.

    I am a mother who was asked to provide birth certificates for my children, and DNA tests when I imigrated to USA. I provided both.

    So Sarah, you are no exception if your are aspiring to run for president, instead of bashing your president, can you do us a favor and prove to the world that you are not telling lies.
    Being nasty is not a good atribute to leadership.
    You brought your children on the nation stage, but the entire world doubts that you gave birth to Trig.
    You see it is complicated to lie.

    Birth certificate please and DNA test like I did

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  63. Anonymous6:08 PM

    from andrew sullivan:
    "No one in the McCain campaign asked for confirmation and some in that campaign now privately wonder if the whole thing wasn't and isn't a scam."

    McCain staffers were discussing whether Palin was "mentally unstable" but we're supposed to believe that they bought into the baby scenario. Unbelievable!!! This is just staffers trying to pretend they didn't run an IDIOT for VEEP.

    Andrew Sullivan doesn't even mention the people with the biggest stake in continuing this fraud. The GOP and its big money backers are still hoping to dodge the the "treason" label.

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  64. Anonymous7:01 PM

    Yes, anon 6:08. The GOP and [some] big money backers, including a few foreign interests, have a big stake in continuing the fraud. But at some point, Sarah will outlive her usefulness to enough in the GOP that she will be thrown overboard.

    Hope that it happens within my lifetime!

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  65. phoebes-in-santa fe7:01 PM

    I think the posters who wrote about the Republican primaries and exposing Palin are right on. The press may not want to do it - or maybe go the "John Edwards" route, BUT, you'd better believe the Romney campaign or the Huckabee campaign would leave to stone unturned to find out the truth and blast it out.

    That's why she won't run. Not the press, but her Republican opponents.

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  66. Anonymous7:25 PM

    When (if ever) will Andrew Sullivan's comments appear on Huffington Post? Is the article that radioactive? Come on, already! Grow a pair, Arianna!

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  67. Gryphen,

    I *heart* you and your dedication to this issue! Keep on it!

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  68. Anonymous7:44 PM

    I can look pregnant too. And I have a penis!

    It's not hard to fake it. I have one of those fake pregant bellies to prove it. Pretty damn convincing with the right clothes.

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  69. Anonymous8:06 PM

    Where's the proof that Sarah Palin was ever pregnant with Trig?

    She has rabid followers - nutso, crazy, fanatical followers - that will do almost anything to defend their Queen.

    They even troll around here.

    Yet not a single one of them has any real proof that Palin was pregnant with Trig. They don't have anything. I'm sure Palinbot mothers could prove that they gave birth. Why not Sarah, also, too?

    Why don't they just show the evidence and be done with it already?

    Like others have said, it's way easier to prove a pregnancy than to prove a non-pregnancy. In fact, it's the law to be able to prove the birth of a child.

    I'm sure Palinbots have mentioned to their Queen that if she just proved it already it would make things easier for her and her children.

    I guess there are no Palinbots that really believe her otherwise they would come forward and show proof and make the rumors go away.

    Where are they?

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  70. AKRNC8:41 PM

    To the Anonymous Posters who believe that $arah gave birth to Trig and wonder why we don't believe it, where are all the people who could easily confirm that she gave birth? Why aren't there nurses and nursing assistants, ultrasound techs, phlebotomists, and hospital staff coming forward to say they saw her at any of the places at which they work?

    What nobody wants to realize in regards to the group that believe $arah gave birth to Trig is that the story is INCREDIBLE, absolutely unbelievable, patently false and filled with enough holes to easily chalk it up as a LIE! The flight attendants did not notice her as being pregnant. She was not an anonymous passenger, but the Governor of Alaska, someone they were familiar with and who they knew would be boarding their plane. If you look at the only pic where she appears pregnant, you cannot tell me that she would be able to hide a pregnancy of that size. Pregnant women do not go up and down in size as $arah appeared to do in her pics. Women in their 8th month of pregnancy do not sit for four or more hours without having to use the bathroom at least once or twice. Do you think the flight attendants would not notice her getting up and down to use the lavatory on board? Other people on board would also notice because the majority of adults know that women that far along in their pregnancy are not supposed to fly.

    I found it odd that when Todd spoke to her office via email, he told them the speech was great but never mentioned their change in flights or her water breaking. Why wouldn't he take advantage of her office and have an ambulance waiting in order to expedite things when they got to Anchorage? I certainly would have if I had been in her position.

    The hospital at which Trig was allegedly delivered is so small and unqualified as far as neonatal problems go that they do not even deliver twins. Yet, they chose to have their Down Syndrome son who had a known heart defect at this hospital when there was another close by with a neonatal unit?? Any of you who believe her, would you take that risk with one of your children prior to birth? I don't know anyone who would. How about the fact that CBJ was not an OB and had only delivered 3 babies in the two years prior to Trig being born?

    I'm a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner and there is not an OB I know who would have told her to give the speech and then fly back. They would not have cared if they were talking to a patient they had known for years, that the patient was a high profile patient, that the patient had experience with four previous deliveries or any other reason. They would have told her to go to the hospital immediately to be examined and to find out how far along she was in dilating and whether the baby was in any distress, remember the heart problems???

    Now, try and provide me with an answer as to why she handled this in the incompetent manner in which she behaved or whether the story is a load of B.S. and she was never pregnant to begin with. Either way, she's a fool.

    By the way, I've asked this before when those who believe her to have given birth have been here and no one has ever come forward to answer me. You don't have to but your silence indicates you are unable to answer me.

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  71. Anonymous9:04 PM

    Excellent, AKRNC. Really.

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  72. Anonymous9:14 PM

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I wonder if Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson disclosed to her malpractice carrier that she delivers high-risk infants in community hospitals that lack neonatal intensive care units?

    Dr. Cathy is the key to whole sordid scandal and I hope her medical career is in tatters by the time this breaks, as it will inevitably. Maybe Dr. Cathy can then retrain as a psychiatrist and provide round-the-clock psychiatric care to Sarah. Or maybe the good doctor can retrain as a plastic surgeon and provide Sarah's next facelift.

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  73. Anonymous9:57 PM

    Why did everyone ignore those huge boobs up to Bristols chin while she was standing on stage during the elections. She was nursing a damn baby.

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  74. SME13110:00 PM

    Very well said AKRNC, of course we know why none of her cult members have responded......they are blind to their leaders deception.

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  75. Anonymous10:16 PM

    It's very obvious why plain's followers don't require any proof of trig's birth and just take her word on blind faith. Remind you of another story? A virgin mother who claimed a god was the kid's dad to avoid a scandal. If they can believe that, they can believe anything.

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  76. Anonymous10:46 PM

    @ AKRNC

    Excellent post. As a physician, I agree with your assessment. Without a doubt, no physician would have ever approved extended airline flying if a patient had reported amniotic leaking and new-onset contractions in an advanced pregnancy with a pre-term special needs fetus. Prompt monitoring to rule out fetal distress was absolutely indicated. Period. Unbelievable story, in my professional opinion.

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  77. mommom12:43 AM

    The trolls prefer to believe that she used poor judgment ,recklessly risked her precious childs life,recklessly forged ahead and risked the passengers on the plane,recklessly chose to ignore risks to her baby and drove to an out of the way birthing place,recklessly endangered her childs,life,health,and development throughout her pregnancy and during labor.

    Fine.I believe it.I also believe she would recklessly forge ahead and open her foolish,loud,nasty mouth and plunge us into world war 3.

    Of course,I am sure she has no idea that it is Congress who must declare war,so I can just see her haranguing them with her fishwife mouth.

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  78. Anonymous4:44 AM

    Gryphen, I thought you had the details on the real story or knew someone who does.

    Am I wrong in this? I seem to recall a post months pack where you were confident that the detes were soon to be revealed.

    What happened?

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  79. Randall5:15 AM

    Don't listen to them, Sarah.

    We want you to run for President in 2012!

    All this baloney about TriG is just nonsense, and none of your Republican adversaries will even bother with it during the Republican pre-nomination debates. I'm sure Mitt and Huck, Pawlenty and Newt will all just give it a pass - won't even mention it. (Just like on Fox News.)

    Same with your word-salad and your blatant conflict of interest with Todd working for Big Oil and all...

    None of them will even challenge you about any of that. Because they're good, conservative Republicans and thus, they love you. And patriots, too. Also.

    PALIN/BACHMANN 2012!!!

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  80. Anonymous7:06 AM

    "I'm sure Mitt and Huck, Pawlenty and Newt will all just give it a pass - won't even mention it."


    ROFL - you just keep on believing that! Palin/Bachman Crazies for 2012!!!

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  81. Anonymous11:13 AM

    I think Randall was posting tongue in cheek!

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  82. Anonymous11:50 AM

    B.I.G. belly suddenly, now look at the governor's conference in Texas the day she went into "labor". Uh mmm, not so much. She must have been exercising those famous abs she is so proud of 24-7. I believe there is a 2-week? difference in the time the photos were taken.

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  83. OMG, Palin/Bachmann 2012! Randall@5:15 AM, I know you're being sarcastic, however, there are 'bots who actually believe that is an ideal ticket. Rather than being happy that over 70% of the voters in this country find $arah unqualified, it's the people who believe she is qualified that are scary. I never would have believed there are so many stupid people in this country.

    I don't think the media will do anything in regards to the "Trig story" unless Palin decides to run for 2012. If they were to go after her now they would be accused of attacking a private citizen, not an elected official who owes answers to his constituents. However, if she runs, I think there are going to be inquiries into her background that she never could have expected. They actually went easy on her in 2008 since she wasn't at the top of the ticket,
    $arah has not done herself any favors with the constant bashing of the media and her stupid "lamestream" comments. They are not about to go easy on her if she runs for President, especially since they know her background is filled with skeletons and a pile of bodies she has left by the side of the road with the knives still in their backs.

    $arah, please, run in 2012. It would be so worth it just to see you end up in the gutter where you belong.

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