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This country faces huge, serious problems that will require a boatload of brainpower and cooperation to fix. No one in the country should have to waste even a moment wondering whether the President wasn't born here or a former Vice Presidential candidate (and possible Presidential candidate) lied to the entire nation.
What's more, we believe both questions could easily and permanently be put to rest by us (or any other investigators) spending a few minutes with two documents:
- The original "long-form" birth certificate of Barack Obama, which is said to contain the hand-written notes of the doctor who helped bring him into the world and is said to be in a file somewhere in Honolulu, and
- The original birth certificate of Sarah Palin's son Trig, which should say where he was born and when and who his parents are.
Representatives for President Obama and Possible Presidential Candidate Palin have dismissed the theories above as vindictive, politically motivated, and preposterous. Given this, we imagine that they, too, would like to see the theories put to rest.
So we are hereby launching a mission to be allowed to spend a few minutes examining the documents above, so can put the theories behind us and help the nation move on. We will pursue this mission through a number of different avenues, official and unofficial. And if and when we are successful in getting access to the documents, we will send our investigators to Hawaii and Alaska to examine them and finally reveal the truth.
We will start our investigation by inviting the two folks who can most easily help, President Obama and Sarah Palin, to grant us access to the documents themselves. (President Obama and Ms. Palin, you are hereby invited!). If this invitation is rebuffed, we will then focus on seeking access from officials in the states involved.
I have absolutely NO problem with this approach to answering these questions. None!
After all President Obama has ALREADY provided his official birth certificate so he is WAY ahead of Palin in answering his critic's questions. If the Business Insider can gain the same access as FactCheck.org, this issue should be cleared up before the weekend is out.
Which then only leaves Sarah Palin to respond to the gauntlet thrown down by our President and Business Insider. Gee what do you think HER response might be?
But if you have as little confidence that Palin will give these guys the documentation that they are asking for as I do, YOU might be able to help BI in their quest for closure on this issue:
If you can help us get access to these documents, or if you know anything new about the theories above (actual knowledge, please, not theories), we would be thrilled to hear from you (hblodget@businessinsider.com). We'll keep all third-party input confidential.
Okay remember, ACTUAL knowledge, none of your harebrained, Trig is Elvis's lost clone, theories.
P.S. If you are thinking this might REALLY be screwing with the little Palin-bot minds, you might be on to something. (See that is the difference between having confidence in your leaders, and worrying that they might have been lying their ass off. WE welcome the scrutiny of Obama's birth certificate.)
Before he could run for President, POTUS Obama had to satisfy the requirement of being born in the US.
ReplyDeleteHe satisfied that requirement to a (at the time)republican government
Case closed.
Palin however is a proven liar.
I'd like to see the birth certificate of Trig.
Bwahahahaha!
ReplyDeleteThat's all.
I love it!
ReplyDeleteSarah will soon be known to "Business Insider" as "Stonewall Sarah"..
ReplyDeleteHow can she produce what does not exist? She has no medical records and no birth certificate showing Trig born on April 18th.
But the good news.. this is upping the ante on her FAKE birth story.
Yuck, that prom hair-d0, that crazy expression on her face.
ReplyDeleteO/T but according to Wonkette, the Koch Bros. human prank on Wisconsin is Sarah coming there.
ReplyDeleteThey say the WASILLA DINGBAT is coming to get her paycheck. She will be pelted with cheese curds as she is not wanted and a traitor to this country. Sarah is for big corporations and not the people. She is just for the RICH.
New Post up at my blog with a laugh-inducing parody photo. Bristol Palin: Not Afraid
ReplyDeletehttp://goo.gl/UQeKb
oh gosh - I clicked on "you might be on to something" and it brought me to c4p I have to go take another shower now.
ReplyDeletebut, I get your point. They refuse to discuss the BC at all, anywhere, anytime.
The whole thing about Obama is beyond stupid. Trump sounds like a petulant two year old, and Hannity is worse. "It might say he is Muslim." Really? Since when is religion listed on a birth certificate? Come on Trump. For a self -proclaimed 'smart guy' you obviously are not anywhere close to 'smart' on the intelligence meter. Much closer to 'brain dead.' Or 'brainless.'
ReplyDeleteAnd if BI does find something about Trig out there, they will be hard pressed to convince anyone that it is truthful. Her 'bots won't believe anything at all that casts the Empress as anything but Savior of the World, and the rest of us have been lied to so often that we are skeptical of anything regarding her and her soap opera of a family.
It is time for Alaskans that know the truth to speak up.
ReplyDeleteContact Business Insider or Joe McGinniss
It is time for this charade to end.
IT IS TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH
Lol... I laughed when they decided to stop speaking about Obama Birth Certificate. Why???? Because they know Palin will have to prove Trig is hers. Palin clearly said, what is Obama trying to hide with his Birth Certificate, she was willing Trump on; now when questions regarding Trig started to arrive, Ms Palin-bots decided to quelch the questions regarding Obama.
ReplyDeleteShe so have something to hide!
Sorry this is OT but the rally in Madison today is supposedly live-streaming on the channel3000 web site and live blogging is on "the isthmus.com/daily". You can comment on the live blog.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that it has come to this point is really disgusting. The American people were hoodwinked by McCain/Palin. The TRUTH has to be revealed. People who have nothing to hide, welcome scrutiny. Had this been any other woman, she would gladly produce the documents proving that she DID give birth to the child. I have three kids, anyone who disputes the fact that I am their mother had better stand back!!I would be outraged, and more than eager to produce documentaion, as most "normal" women would. Palin is hiding something.
ReplyDeleteIf Jesus Christ Himself, flanked by a couple of Archangels complete with flaming swords, stood there with "long form" certificate in hand, there would STILL be some idiots believing Obama is a Kenyan-born, Marxist-Fascist-Commie AntiChrist (tm), bent on the destruction of the US and World Domination. NOTHING is going to change the mind of these cretins. Not as long as that "nigra" is in the White House.
ReplyDeleteSarah's birth certificate should also be requested. Rumor of being born in Canada.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it HIGHLY UNUSUAL that Sarah Palin has NOT jumped on the birther bandwagon with both feet-- is NOT constantly exploiting such an easy, sleazy 'issue' with her base concerning Obama, which has otherwise been her M.O. all along.
ReplyDeleteIf she had nothing to hide Birtherism would be a "made-for-Palin" issue.
Speaks volumes me thinks.
~Canuck~
I find the idea of "the doctor's handwritten notes" on the "long form" birth certificate fantastic. As in "what a crock."
ReplyDeleteAs I understand it, a "long form" birth certificate is the state's record of a live birth, which has nothing whatsoever to do with attending physician.
So much speculation, conjecture and misinformation. Ridiculous.
Hell, I'd like to see Lou Sarah's birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteMy fear is one of her little cronies or a professional outfit has already printed a (fake) nice, new, shiny BC with all her specifications. She's certainly had enough time and the money to do so.
ReplyDeleteWe need the ladies who know she had a tubal ... or as $arah calls it "two-bull."
New "contest" for Daily Dish
ReplyDeleteAndrew Sullivan needs to post a blow up picture of Trig (where he is being held on April 18th in the hospital). Just Trig..
And ask his readers ..
how old is this child?
does he have jaundice?
Is this a premature infant, just hours old?
That photo is proof of Sarah's lie.
Excellent idea!
ReplyDeleteI am also interested in seeing Sarah Heath Palin's:
Birth Certificate
College Diploma & Transcript
Marriage Licence
Voter Registration
.....I'm NOT joking.
OT - I so wish I could be in Wisconsin today supporting the untions and enjoying what hopefully will be a huge crowd of union supporters and all with their backs turned on Palin! hahahaha hope it's covered by the news
ReplyDeletethis from a post on Facebook group Palin Birthers...
"because the tea party waited so long to negotiate a deal with Palin to come to Wisconsin, it has not left enough time for her cult to make plans to go. I expect the turn-out to be mediocre. The union supporters are bussing people in, but have been planning it all week, so I expect them ( or at least hope) to have a great turn-out. They plan to turn their backs on her and blow whistles, horns, bells, etc and to shout "we cannot hear you".
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It's about time someone one and for all took on the mess of birth certificates... it truly is NOT that hard to prove President Obama was born in the U.S. (a republican governor of Hawaii confirmed it also - so these teabaggers are calling a lot of Repbulicans Liars - including McCain because he definitely has enough money to have found out for sure - and Palin too - she must be a secret Obama supporter - she was right there in Hawaii, and couldn't spare a few minutes of her vacation to once and for all go see the document herself and save her cult followers from the "evil imposter in the white house"
Bring it on...we all want this nonsense to end.
However, we know Palin will NOT answer the challenge.
I am an adult adoptee, and I have adopted a child. Both cases involved “closed”, private adoptions, rather than more modern, “open” ones where the names of the birth parents were made known and all parties communicated openly.
ReplyDeleteBoth of these closed cases that I have personal knowledge of to took place in Texas. In both cases, the original Certificate of Birth openly named each of the birth parents. However, after the birth parents signed off and relinquished their parental rights, the child’s “original” birth certificate was sealed by order of the judge -- forever.
This is my point:
In both cases, when the adoption of the child was processed through the court system, a new birth certificate was issued naming the child’s adoptive parents as the child’s parents. Therefore, in my own specific experiences, I can say with certainty that a Certificate of Birth will not be absolute evidence of the biological parents. The date of birth will still be accurate, but the names will be changed to protect the privacy of the birth parents who have relinquished their claim to their biological baby/child.
In the Palins’ case, a birth certificate on Trig would need to be a true original, one that had not been sealed earlier by court order and then later reissued in its new form with only the names of the adopting parent(s).
Read the C4P blog. Hilarious. They will allow their tin foil wearing hat posters to discuss the birth certificate issue, until such time that it starts getting hot for Sarah and then they place a ban on the topic. Duplicity at its best.
ReplyDeleteHere's the question I have re: Palin's birthplace. If born in Canada, some have said she would still be considered "natural born," as her parents were US citizens. But what if one or both of her parents were declared secessionists, and felt they were "sovereign" and not part of America?
ReplyDeleteLOL...further down that pee thread, someone suggests taking on Robert Redford for his comments. Angry with his snobbery, wealth, and "hanging around with the wrong crowd." WTH??? Are they back in junior high/high school?
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteYou MUST bring to the attention to Business Insider and other publications that even Sarah pro blog C4P refuses to discuss Trig because they know she lied.
5:04 is exactly right. They could examine it themselves and they will never believe he was born here. Idiots!
ReplyDeleteI would be very surprised if President Obama would even pay any attention to this stuff. It would be like admitting that what any moron says would affect him. Believe me in the last election the republicans would have spent all their time & money trying to disprove that he wasn't able to run for any reason.
Now as for Palin there is absolutely NO reason she has just not shown the birth certificate. I would NEVER have let people go around talking about this forever. For the sake of my family, which has I am sure suffered from this, I would have put it out there.
I still have some doubt that she is not his mother. She is so vain that I could honestly see her wearing super tight girdles to hide her pregnancy (which would never be good for a baby) which makes all of this just as bad as if she isn't Trig's birth mother.
Yes, I have read all the evidence complete with pictures and I agree it does NOT even seem somewhat possible she is the mother. However, she is mentally ill and I could see her trying to hide her pregnancy so that she would get the VP nomination. Had they known she was pregnant before the nomination I am sure that they never would have even looked at her which gave her good reason to hide that she was preggo.
I don't know. Everything surrounding anything Palin is just so bizarre that it defies logic.
Gryphen... what do you make of Rebecca Palsha KTUU being added as a friend on facebook with "Stand Strong Shawn Christy"?
ReplyDeleteWill she be for or against Shawn and family?
In the Palins’ case, a birth certificate on Trig would need to be a true original, one that had not been sealed earlier by court order and then later reissued in its new form with only the names of the adopting parent(s).
ReplyDeleteI disagree - I don't care that he is adopted and that it lists the Palins as parents if he is. I have an adopted child, so I KNOW the BC lists the new parents.
They can't change the date of his birth though, nor the place.
I suspect he was born in Washington state and it wasn't on April 18, 2008. Considering we didn't see THIS Trig until Sept. He could have been born at anytime.
IF the Trig presented at the RNC is the same baby as the Heath hospital photo, then he was born earlier than April 18th IF he really was a preemie. At this point, nothing SP says can be believed.
in your post of 2/4/11 - who is the pregnant lady standing next to SP? Is she one of her sisters?
ReplyDeleteWas Heather pregnant in the X-mas 2007 photos?
Is it possible that TriG came from Diana Palin? or Molly Wooten?
I feel bad for Maya, Barack Obama's sister. She lost her father, she lost her grandparents, she lost her mother, and her brother and sister-in-law live 5,000 miles away and a bunch of conspiracy theorists/racists who hate her brother sling disparaging comments at the people she loves most in the world. And what the hell did she do to deserve this?
ReplyDeleteOne: The BI is only furthering the nonsence that there is a "real" "longform" birth certificate out there.
ReplyDeleteTwo: the relevant information on Trig's birth certificate is his BIRTH DATE. If the Palins have adopted him, they will be listed as parents.
Gryphen, can you please set them straight?
I have a beautiful new grandbaby, born exactly 2 weeks early, who weighed 6lb 3oz upon leaving the hospital and stayed at that weight for over a week. I also saw several of the other newborns in the hospital. At 6lb 3 oz, my grandbaby was (is) really tiny overall but has a round face and chubby cheeks, not unlike the April 18 photos of Trig.
ReplyDeleteI think the baby photographed with the Heaths on April 18 and with the Palins a few days later in the Anchorage office could easily be a newborn. He may have weighed 6lb 2oz as we've been told or he may have weighed more and they fudged his weight since he was supposedly born 5 weeks early.
What strikes me the most after my recent experience, is that infant Trig (Anchorage office) has clothes that fit. If he really weighed 6lb 2 oz, they would have to be preemie sized clothes because he'd be swimming in regular size '0' newborn.
Perhaps Palin also needs to prove she was not born in Canada. After all, she used to tell a whopper about her daddy taking her to Canada for health care ;)
ReplyDeleteHere's the perfect argument to use against birthers. It'll probably stop and make them think -- if that's possible -- because it's a little racist. Well, less racist than ethnocentric:
ReplyDeleteWHY WOULD AN AMERICAN WOMAN, IN 1961, LEAVE THE US TO GIVE BIRTH TO A BABY IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY?
Also,
Why would Barack Sr., in Hawaii to go to college, on scholarship, (btw, Barack Sr. was obviously very gifted, he never even finished secondary school and still aced the US college entrance exam) leave the United States in July or August, when he had to be back at school in August or September? And that begs the question, would airlines even have allowed baby Barack to travel on a plane when he was three weeks old, which he would have had to do, considering he was born on 8/4/61 and his dad had to be back at school. And he obviously did finish school because then Sr. went on to Harvard (also on a scholarship.)
And why would a couple with a biracial baby, in 1961, when the country was still segregated and pre-Voting Rights Act, decide to pull a bunch of illegal tricks to pretend that their biracial son was born in the United States, when they wouldn't have to have done that, because Barack Jr. would have been automatically American, as his mother was American. Were they seriously thinking, in 1961, when the country was still ignorantly clinging to separate-but-equal that their little boy would grow up to be a senator, and then president? Doubtful. I mean, they probably told Barack Jr. -- you can grow up to be whatever you want, but would they have been sooooo sure that he'd end up as president that they would fake a birth in Hawaii? No. Of course not. It's insane. Birtherism is insane and pure racism. It's gross.
I get so annoyed when people equate Birthers with Trig Truthers. Trig Truthers are on the side of rational thought -- how does a woman go from having a flat stomach to being as big as a balloon to having a flat stomach again when she's supposedly pregnant? Birthers tell themselves crazy tales based on racism.
Joe McGinniss has discovered that Jeffrey MacDonald is Trig's real father.
ReplyDeleteHis new book title is "Fatal Birth"
OK, so let me get this straight--at C4P it's a non-starter to discuss Obama's BC, because "it distracts from the real issues." And it's stated right in the same post that ANY mention of Trig birtherism will get you deleted and possibly banned forever from the site...but when you go look at the comments, they are ALL ABOUT why it's BAD for the candidates (I guess they mean Palin) to REFRAIN from discussing Obama's birth information! Double standard, anyone?! God, this bunch is dense.
ReplyDeletecuriouser, there is a large difference between 2 weeks early and over 5 weeks early (congrats on the new grand baby). We all know that babies get very much bigger towards the end of the pregnancy.
ReplyDeleteI was a full term infant, 6lb 2oz. 21 inches long (think eel). I wore regular baby clothes from day one. My daughter was 6lb 7oz, 20 inches and wore the same size. Weight matters little as length is the key. Premmie sized clothes are too short for babies much over 18 inches in length.
Does anyone think it's possible the Palin could have a birth cert. printed with basically any info she wants? Just wondering. I mean, she has been allowed to get whatever she wants in Alaska, why not this.
ReplyDeleteAbout that picture...maybe she could do a remake of Zena, Warrior Princess, when she runs out of other options.
ReplyDeleteOops, 5:54 here. I meant when John McCain got the nomination not Sarah. Once she knew he got the nomination it was a perfect time to let them know she was pregnant (specially with a Down syndrome baby even though she didn't say it then). What a great way to help him get more votes from the evangenlicals & dominionists + the anti-abortion crowd. She was a perfect fit for helping McCain because let's face it he wasn't too well liked.
ReplyDeleteAt any rate I would love to see this puzzle solved.
I am really tired of people saying that the long form birth certificate has doctors notes or his/her name on it... I have long forms for everyone in my family and they don't have that information!! They look very similar to the one that Hawaii issues and we are in SC.
ReplyDeleteNancyB in SC
I still don't know what a "long form" birth certificate is, though. I've never seen one, I was never given any such birth certificate for either myself or my child when he was born.
ReplyDeletePresident Obama bc isn't in the same categories as trig bc.
ReplyDeleteFor one President Obama has shown his bc over and over again. Only racist assholes make like they won't take a legal form that is given out as a bc to all. The short form is given to all, it isn't a special form created especially for President Obama. More importantly President Obama mother was an citizen of USA making Barack a citizen too. Case Closed for these racist assholes.
On the other hand palin hasn't shown shit...No short form No nothing. Plus her stories are far fetched and completely screwy.
As long as these assholes attached President Obama's bc to trig's lack of showing anything they feel like they don't have to show trigs bc.
So palin SHOW TRIG'S BC IN SHORT FORM, YOU RACIST RIDICULOUS CLOWN.
Aha! Trig is Elvis's lost clone! That explains it!
ReplyDeleteok, trig's birth certificate would lay to rest the date he was born, but not his biological parents' identity. assuming that the palins have adopted him, his birth certificate now contains their names as his parents.
ReplyDeleteWe don't even need to view Trig's birth certificate, we just need to see Sarah's medical records. All those ultrasounds and prenatal visits...hmmm....alot harder to fake multiple medical records than a BC.
ReplyDeleteThe original "long-form" birth certificate of Barack Obama, which is said to contain the hand-written notes of the doctor
ReplyDeleteWTF? Doctors don't make notes on birth certificates.
Anonymous 6:37 - Thanks for the congrats. Good point about babies' height although I don't think that is as much an issue with the kimono tops and diapers which were the problem for my GB.
ReplyDeleteBottom line for me is that I think Trig could have been born on April 18 and I think we should request Palin's medical records. I guess Gryphen has additional information that gives him confidence that there's no official or forged birth certificate for that day and/or place.
There are some people C4P will ban for discussing President Obama´s BC, and some people C4P will never ban, even when openly making a mockery of C4P´s no tolerance policy.
ReplyDeleteLMAO!
[As long as these assholes attached President Obama's bc to trig's lack of showing anything they feel like they don't have to show trigs bc.]
ReplyDeleteI agree and think it's a bit presumptuous of Henry Blodget @ Business Insider even if he was just trying to make a point.
Keep calling Sarah out on her lies, she is the worst one to lie.
ReplyDeleteLet's start putting the spotlight on each of her family members and let's just see who is the daddy? She keeps pretending about the President, so turnabout is fair play.
Next up, Sarah, and we have the high beam lights on you and each member of your so-called family of grifters. We will have our own investigative team shining the light in those dark corners of Lou Sarah. After all, Sarah is nobody.
Is a "long form" merely the bc application?
ReplyDeleteYou know, I just realized something and perhaps others have realized it too, judging by some comments. The GOP may very well still be wishing they could run Sarah, and so they have tried to set up a false equivalency here about the birth certificates. They are so evil.
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump didn't just suddenly decide to explore the possibility of running for President, and then additionally decide that highlighting the Obama birth certificate issue as his inaugural attempt at differentiating himself from the rest of the GOP hopeful pack would be a great idea.
Someone very high up the ladder has put him up to this. Can't you just imagine the backroom dinners where they would cook something like this up? (Don't bother to correct my grammar.) These rich white guys just want the GOP back in the White House, period. They honestly don't give a sh%& who it is. If they think a Trump/Palin ticket would do it (God we have such stupid Americans if they would vote for such a ticket), then they will jolly well run them.
This is not random, in other words. And they know Obama has done all he is going to do on this matter, and so they are basically implying that Sarah Palin does not need to do anything more about the Trig issue, either.
Brilliant and nefarious, as always. They have even planted stories that Karl Rove and Co isn't too impressed with Trump's doing this. Yeah. Right.
There are no accidents when it comes to the GOP, as hopelessly splintered as they presently appear to be.
Just imagine what Brisdull's profile would be on Match.com
ReplyDeleteMillionaire looking for short or long term relationship.
Have one child known to the public, others hidden. Have a bat shit crazy family with tons of skeletons hidden away.
Must sign confidentiality agreement before any date.
"WTF? Doctors don't make notes on birth certificates."
ReplyDeleteWouldn't think so- but I could see a doctor, filling out the form to send to the authorities, picking up a phone and continuing to fill in on autopilot, or making a marginal note when his brain switches from one task to the other.
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What a great idea! Barach will finally be forced to present the long form certificate that he doesn't have. And Sarah can easily produce the birth certificate for Trig, showing that she is the natural mother and Todd is the natural father. And that will finally be the end of the babygaters.
ReplyDeleteAnd the end of the false president that never was.
From the Business Insider quote: What's more, we believe both questions could easily and permanently be put to rest by us (or any other investigators) spending a few minutes with two documents.
ReplyDeleteIn Obama's case, this has already been done by reputable official(s) in Hawaii. The presence of the relevant document in a bound volume in the archives has been verified at least twice. How does Business Insider expect to be perceived as more reliable than that? I'm not suggesting they can't; I'm asking … how? (Note the word "perceived".)
after 3 years of this fraud I would not trust any kind of birth certificate for Tri-G. the quitter is a liar and a cheat, insane to the core, and if push came to shove I would not put it past her to produce something fake.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, SP has acquired enough money and supporters and enough time has passed for her to have had produced a seemingly valid birth certificate for Trig as being her and Todd's son.
ReplyDeleteAt this point, any birth certificate that SP might produce for Trig would be highly suspect.
Slightly OT, but part of today's news:
ReplyDeleteWatch Madison WI Dueling Protesters during Sarah Palin's appearance there at http://www.channel3000.com/localvideo/index.html?v=live
Does a birth cert of an adopted child state that the child is adopted?
ReplyDeleteRight, doctors don't make notes on birth certificates. and the certificates hospitals give are for show, not official. I worked for SSA and had to verify BC's all the time.
ReplyDeleteOne important thing, Hawaii went paperless over 10 years ago, whatever paper they had is destroyed!!
These idiots are looking for something that does not exist, good grief.
I do not think President Obama was born in Kenya. But even if he was, I believe he still qualifies as a natural born citizen.
ReplyDeleteOn its face, this request sounds reasonable. However, from what I understand, Gov. Neil Abercrombie himself cannot even access the long form certificate. He has no legal claim to request it. Also, it appears that NOBODY in Hawaii can gain access to their long forms. The law is certainly confusing and clunky, but it does not appear to be applied differently in President Obama's case than it is for anybody else.
ReplyDeleteThe birth certificate - whether it's long or short - is irrelevant to the birthers. If suddenly they had the long form and it had contained no damning information, they would shift their skepticism to something else. Their objections have nothing to do with paperwork or the use of appropriate forms, they have to do with the skin color of our president. These fuckers are racist trash whose hatred of all non-whites precludes them from every accepting a black president.
Don't indulge these knuckle dragging cousin humps by granting their argument even the slightest degree of legitimacy. They are ignorant racist assholes and should be treated as such.
Actually, Grypen this isn't good news that Business Insider is trying to equate the story of Trig to Pres Obama. Notice they say "long-form" BC, not the state certified BC he has already shown. It shows they're buying into the story Donald Trump is spewing, spoon-fed to him by World Net Daily's Joe Farah and Jerome Corsi that the one he's already shown isn't good enough.
ReplyDeletePalin could show a birth certificate for Trig and it would show that she and Todd are his mother and father. That's because if they adopted him, an amended birth certificate would have been issued. So if she were to show or publish his birth certificate, here are the things to look for that might indicate she did not give birth to him, or at least destroy her wild ride story:
- Does the birth certificate say "Amended"?
- Is the date of birth something other than Arpil 18, 2008?
- Is the place of birth somewhere other than Palmer, AK or Matsu Borough?
The other thing to keep in mind is if Sarah faked her pregnancy, it would not be the same as the big conspiracy suggested by the birthers. It would only require her and Todd to keep the secret because adoption laws and medical privacy laws prevent anyone involved in the adoption or medical treatment to come forward and say her birth story isn't true. If she shows it, she is counting on people looking at Mother - Sarah Palin
Father - Todd Palin
and accepting it as proof she's his birth mother. What's important is the date and place. There's no way the baby shown in the hallway of the hospital with the Heaths was a few hours old, 5 week pre-mature baby.
I don't think they'll show it though, because as more time goes on, I not only don't believe she's his birth mother, I don't believe they actually adopted him. I think he's a borrowed baby who goes home to someone else when they don't need him as a prop. I think if you stopped by the Palin's unannounced, he wouldn't be there. I think he lives most of his life with whoever it was who really had him or adopted him.
Gryph, you should tell Henry Blodgett of Business Insider that the magazine is wasting its time with this. But I suspect they already know it and have thrown this issue out to the public in this way to draw attention to themselves while pretending objectivity.
ReplyDeleteIn response -- if they respond at all -- Sarah will pull out Trig's amended birth certificate (unless she's also lying about the date of birth) showing her & Toad as parents, and Obama will point people toward factcheck.org. And the only thing that will have been accomplished is that people will see Trig's certificate and think Sarah's been telling the truth, because most people don't know how birth certificates of adoptees are amended.
Pictures speak louder than birth certificates. Point them toward the pre-April 18th pictures of Sarah. It would be interesting if some pix of Bristol from that same time period could be found too, just to have a look at the size and shape of her belly.
It would also be great if some of the folks who know came out about the issue of the tubal.
I agree with the person who said:
ReplyDeleteWHY WOULD AN AMERICAN WOMAN, IN 1961, LEAVE THE US TO GIVE BIRTH TO A BABY IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY?
And add that she was only 18 and an only child, and this was her first birth. Most young women in that situation would be quite frightened, and most parents would exert all their influence to prevent her doing that. It is also bizarre to think that she would go to Kenya for the very purpose of giving birth there and then turn around and go to lengths to hide the fact of a Kenyan birth.
Here's my issue w/ this BI "challenge." Why shouldn't the state of Hawaii's, the (republican) Gov. of Hawaii's, the attorney general of the state of Hawaii's, factchecker's, the FEDERAL gov't's, the FBI's, the CIA's and FFS, the McCain & Clinton campaigns' word be enough that the birth certificate they have ALL investigated to the enth degree be ENOUGH ALREADY????? Do we really think that if the FBI or CIA didn't find anything out of line with this guy's BC, that some schmuck from Business Insider is gonna go spot it????
ReplyDeleteGo ahead--look at it AGAIN. Make the same conclusions AGAIN. But it's ridiculous to issue that challenge suggesting that all the people who have already researched this beyond all shadows of any doubts still didn't do ENOUGH.
As to the other half of the challenge, it will never, ever, ever happen. Because she is a total fraud & the baby wasn't born on April 18, 2008. I don't care who he was born TO, that's not will be solved with a BC. So by issuing this challenge, they've just made it look as if one is "worth" the other. As if looking at them both would put it all to rest.
And it's already been proven (ad nauseum) that no matter WHO or HOW MANY TIMES someone gets access to the president's BC, the racist bastards in our country aren't going to accept it.
But now she can put forth one that, even if the dates are "off," will list she & Tahhhd as "parents" and the bots & powers that be will just make up some other piss poor story about how she was "protecting" someone AND the baby, blah blah blah. And she'll never do it ANYWAY, she'll just claim someone else wants to rape them all, and go give another "surveyor's marks" speech and change the effin' subject AGAIN.
Someone's gotta TALK. For God's sakes, someone with funds, get those people who can spill it into another state w/ security and let them TALK. to the MEDIA. And then they're safe--b/c if anything threatening happens once they've been in public talking about it, they're proven RIGHT, and everyone knows where to look. As it is, someone could make them unable to talk, and no one could connect any dots. And from what it sounds like up there, stuff like that happens all the time.
GAH, I'm so sick of all this I could puke.
SCmommy
QUOTE FROM TRUMP RE: OBAMA'S b/c:
ReplyDelete"It might say he is Muslim."
Since when is religion something that is bestowed upon you at birth? by your parents? accompanied by a government decree?
PRIOR: a birth certificate on Trig would need to be a true original, one that had not been sealed earlier by court order and then later reissued in its new form with only the names of the adopting parent(s).
ReplyDeleteRESPOSNE: I'm guessing a birth certificate with Palins listed as parents is good enough. Frnakly, if they have really adopted the child then he's their child and we have no business with where it came from.
ON the other hand, even if the child is legally adopted, the birthdate, which will not be chnaged, could be quite interesting.
PRIOR: But what if one or both of her parents were declared secessionists, and felt they were "sovereign" and not part of America?
ReplyDeleteRESPOSNE: It's irrelevant. We had a Civil war based on the premise (among other things) that states couldn't choose to secede. And numerous citizens have tried to argue in court that they don't recognize the jurisdiction of the US government. That doesn't work etiher.
Individuals can't decide whether they wish to be a citizen without defecting, moving, or some other things - none of which involve staying in America. (there's probably some convoluted exceptions for people with dual citizenship)
WISC Madison is live streaming the rally in Wisconsin.
ReplyDeleteI think that you are right to focus the attention on whether Sarah faked a pregnancy or not but it is also logical that if people think Sarah did fake a pregnancy that people will also wonder why. A motive is intertwined with the evidence of a fake pregnancy and is hard to keep out of the discussion. I know that some people don't like certain theories to be presented but "Sarah wanting a prop" just doesn't fly by me. Something VERY compelling must have taken place for someone in such a high profile position and on her way up the ladder would be required to take the risk of faking a pregnancy and juggling the details that it were required. Having to deal with a baby (or any family responsibilities) at that point in her life was a real imposition and if she was going to have suffer for it she was at least going to get as much political gain from it as possible. Bottom line, this story may be about unsupervised siblings, a lot of drinking, a very sick baby, and a cover-up. And that may be why this story is so hard to crack open, even if you just focus on the faked pregnancy and TRY to keep other players and motive out of it.
ReplyDeleteBecause I know multiple people in Wasilla who all believe she was pregnant - PLEASE all you truth-loving folks who are completely convinced Trig did not usher forth from her loins - just for a minute, assume Sarah's story is true - in that Trig is her baby.
ReplyDeleteThis means she worked extremely hard to not gain any weight during her pregnancy.
This means she didn't have the maternal decency to prepare her children for the fact that they were going to have a DS sibling (Willow asked Sarah once she looked at Trig). Sarah says she just, "didn't get around to it." - telling them, that is
This means all of her complaining about how she was very upset once she learned she was pregnant is true.
This means she flew to Texas at an advanced stage of pregnancy so she could bask in the adulation of others.
This means when her water broke, she travelled for close to 20 hours before admitting herself to a hospital.
Take Sarah at her word. She behaved abominably. As long as people are running around pell mell, hell bent on proving Trig isn't hers - she wins. She's the martyred mother, the Perpetual Victim. She'll never have to step up to the plate and answer real questions about her dastardly conduct (the conduct she currently stands behind in her version of events).
See: the reason Sarah loves this whole debate is because she never has to face serious questions about what she says she did.
And in her version of events she lied. CBJ would have never told her to proceed home if she had told CBJ that her water had broken, or that she thought she was starting to leak fluid.
Sarah will never have to face the music of the song she herself says is the official version so long as there is this rabid frothing that she isn't Trig's mom.
Force her to face her own words first. Then we can move ahead with questions about Trig's parentage.
In the meantime Sarah wins. Again.
Why are we back to this silly "long form" meme? I don't have a long form, neither does my child who was born in the US, nor does my husband (three different states). I do, however, have a "long form" for the child who was born overseas, which is really the application for a certificate of birth of an American citizen abroad. And that has no doctor's notes on it because we applied for it weeks after our son was born.
ReplyDeleteAnd why in the world would a couple who was so frantic to have their child be declared an American (as the birthers would have it) not simply have their child born in America, rather than flying the pregnant mother at the last minute to have him born in Kenya and then forging an American birth certificate? Both of Obama's parents were intelligent people; they'd simply have the child born in Hawaii, as they did.
Apart from which, no same woman would travel to Kenya in 1961 simply to birth her child. And exactly how are Obama's parents supposed to have gotten his first passport? With a forged birth certificate? Seriously? And how did they slip this into the Hawaiian archives?
Racism can do some weird and scary things to a person's reasoning ability.
Anonymous 8:41 - "There's no way the baby shown in the hallway of the hospital with the Heaths was a few hours old, 5 week pre-mature baby."
ReplyDeleteUh...well, it may be unlikely but it's also entirely possible. I don't understand the absolute statements. The more objective we are, the more likely others will take our questions seriously.
"Premature babies born at 35 to 36 weeks are called late preterm infants. These babies are about 20 inches long, and usually weigh between 5 1/2 and 6 pounds. Although 35 and 36 weekers look just like full term babies, they are still premature, and may face some problems of prematurity."
http://preemies.about.com/od/preemieagesandstages/ss/PrematureBabiesWeekbyWeek_8.htm
Has ANYONE seen TriG lately??
ReplyDeleteI wonder where he has been spirited off to now that he is likely an unruly "three year old" (?) and not as useful as a prop.
The last video I saw of him clearly showed him reacting in a negative way to his "mommy" when she reached out to him.
What does "back-arching" and flailing his little arms and legs suggest to you? (and it's probably gotten worse with time if he's not getting the therapy he needs.)
I agree with 4:13 am. Palin only.
ReplyDeletePOTUS provided the necessary info, satisfying the requirment, was proven free and clear at the necessary time, and anyone demanding more is demanding it from a place that is spelled r-a-c-i-s-t A-m-e-r-i-c-a.
The state of Hawaii does not allow just anyone to see the original birth certificate on file in the Department of Vital Statistics:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/
Anyone who wants a birth certificate (including the President) will only get a certified copy.
The Business Insider is sucking wind on their request.
Sarah Palin was at a rally in Wisconsin today; 500 Tea Partiers there and thousands of people protesting against Walker again: she got booed the whole time she was on stage. I watched the livestream and heard it. She did a very short screeching at the top of her lungs speech (5 - 10 minutes at most) but was drowned out the whole time.
ReplyDeleteLet's see if the MSM picks THAT up.
Earlier from AP: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdNtRDVVRBvdU87hfbovKNZJeS_A?docId=cb2300b2777b482c9ae3483e3413a63f
Neither of these documents is necessary for anything. First, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and even if he wasn't, that doesn't matter because his mother was a citizen by birth, thus, so was he.
ReplyDeleteSecond, the more important document re: Palin is a medical record indicating a tubal ligation.
Long ago the State of Hawaii's Secretary of State stated that there is no "long form". Those were destroyed when the state digitized all the birth records. There is the hospital record which the new Governor tried to get released by it is protected by the HIPPA law and can't be released.
ReplyDeleteAs for Trig, if they ever get a birth certificate, my guess is the parents' names will be Sarah and Todd Palin unless they didn't legally adopt him. Where and when he was born is up for grabs.
She did a very short screeching at the top of her lungs speech (5 - 10 minutes at most) but was drowned out the whole time.
ReplyDeleteLet's see if the MSM picks THAT up.
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would be better if they pulled a stunt like they did with Howard Dean. Play her screech without the roar of the crowd.
It really bothers me that this equating of President Obama's birth in Hawaii and Sarah Palin's fake pregnancy is gaining ground. The whole point of it is to avoid asking the questions of Sarah Palin and doing the research about her various "stories" about the period of time before Trig appeared on the scene.
ReplyDeletePresident Obama was born in Hawaii; he is a natural born US citizen just like Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, etc. He happens to have a white mother and an African father; would there be as much hysteria if his father had been from England or Canada or Switzerland? I don't think so. That's why those of us who are convinced that Sarah Palin has conducted a monumental hoax should not give in the the "birther linkers."
The questions that exist today have to do with Sarah Palin who has never proven that she gave birth to Trig, not with President Obama who has proven that he was born in the US. Don't let the right wing hoodwink you.
I love this picture. It shows how truly ugly Sarah is inside and out.
ReplyDeleteAnon 6:32: you've covered a bunch of the question I have with the whole scheme. A couple of points: both parents were students at the time, and the airlines at that time would not have allowed a woman that pregnant on such a long flight. Were Barack's parents thinking about his being President someday? Not a chance!! They were worrying about school, living expenses, how they were going to handle baby and classes etc. etc. I've been there. The thought that my infant daughter would be President never crossed my mind.
ReplyDeleteGuys, Obama info is ALL right here:
ReplyDeletehttp://truth-rocks.blogspot.com/2011/04/thank-you-donald-trump.html
A synopsis with quotes and URL to the full article. It's very clear. Hawai'ian elected public officials are NOT risking their careers to lie about this!
This made me smile.. Sister Sarah has only 8% support for her presidential run after the professor paper. YES.
ReplyDeleteShe was in Madison puking hatred. LOL
"The poll finds support breaks down among the candidates like this:"
Trump: 26 percent
Huckabee: 17 percent
Romney: 15 percent
Newt Gingrich: 11 percent
Sarah Palin: 8 percent
Ron Paul: 5 percent
Michele Bachmann: 4 percent
Tim Pawlenty: 4 percent
http://www.nationaljournal.com/dailyfray/another-poll-confirms-trump-as-republican-frontrunner-20110415
Why doesn't BI ask Factcheck.org how THEY got access?? Too simple?
ReplyDeleteObami needs to produce the birth certificate because nobody's going to believ he was born in hawyee without it.
ReplyDeleteThis is bogus.
ReplyDeletePresident Obama's birth certificate is not a legitimate issue. Those that continue to grandstand that issue are simply manipulating the political landscape and using fearful, racist and ignorant people for their weaknesses.
Sarah Palin has a litany of lies that she should have to answer for.
The questions surrounding Trig's paternity and birth are valid. There is no reason to conflate her lies with the citizenship of Barack Obama. Both the MSM and Palin owe the American public answers for their continued malfeasance.
Keep up the pressure, but don't fall for this trap. Palin and the MSM are "on trial", not PBO.
Anon @ 12:33,
ReplyDeleteI see the lobotomy was a success. Now, run along and try not to drool on yourself.
Asshole.
Anonymous 12:33 PM wrote: Obami needs to produce the birth certificate because nobody's going to believ he was born in hawyee without it.
ReplyDeleteHe had to—and did— before the 2008 election, silly. Don't you know anything about election procedures? Wake up and pay attention!
If you weren't there at the time, in 2008, you can see it on the web. But you don't want to, do you???
Hey 6:33...Grow up, your insolence reflects poorly on you.
ReplyDeleteHawaii hasn't shown up on your spelling test yet?
Here is an interesting comment on Business Insider's first article about this:
ReplyDeleteTerrie Huff Warren on Apr 15, 11:26 AM said:
@Kay O'Keefe: When Gov. Palin was announced as the GOP VP candidate on that Friday, I was curious about her and dug around on the internet. There were already suggestions that Bristol was the mother of Trig, BUT there were pictures on her older son's girlfriend's Facebook page showing the girlfriend in a hospital gown and the Gov. in a track suit holding the baby. The picture was labeled "Grandmother holding baby." The baby was Down's, so it was Trig. The next Monday it was announced that Bristol was pregnant. All the pictures I saw on Facebook were no longer available.
I think Track is the father of Trig and his girlfriend is the mother. Sarah and Todd convinced the young couple to let them raise the baby as their own. Remember, they tried to convince Bristol and Levi to do the same thing with their baby.
I have been in maternal-child nursing for 31 years, and I agree that there is no way that she would be allowed to fly that late in a pregnancy, especially if her membrane had already ruptured. It was "her" 5th baby, so she would have given birth pretty quickly.
Track went off to war, and I don't know what happened to the girlfriend.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-baby-hoax-2011-4#ixzz1JisIKvZ7
As someone born in the 40's, my birth certificate was similar to the one Trump produced and for which he was laughed at. In order to get a passport, I had to get another from the state I was born in. It is a super 'long form' - 2 pages of small print.
ReplyDelete@veracity mama. Why do you guys always pick names that are the opposite of your (lack of) character?
ReplyDeleteYou cite a no name blog talking about a low level former Hawaii employee making undocumented claims that he can't substantiat. On the other side we have the head of the department in Hawaii, Fukino, who has repeatedly confirmed seeing the birth certificate. I think I'll go with Fukino.
You may be a mama, but there's no veracity in you. I don't think you can even be honest with yourself.
6:02: Hmmm interesting. I checked the Washington Case records system. It wouldn't show a sealed adoption case, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I did find one case for 2008. I don't believe this is a family law case, which I believe would start with 08 or 08. I think "C" means civil, and may be a traffic case, but there are no records to link to.
ReplyDeleteHeath, Sarah Louise
Defendant King County District C00741934 10-27-2008
Oh, and regarding the washington case, it could be *another* Sarah Louise Heath, but the name is curious, no? Heath, not Palin?
ReplyDeleteI think they are confused about what Chiyome Fukimo said in her 4/11/11 statement ("Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims") msnbc
ReplyDeleteShe said: "She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files."
So, I don't think there were handwritten "notes." I think someone typed it up, and the doctor (or someone) may have filled out a few blanks. Or it could just be that the signatures are "handwritten."
@LisanTX. I don't believe that comment.
ReplyDeleteDoubtful anyone could look at a photo and say that a newborn was Downs. The girlfriend wouldn't have posted the photo of Sarah as grandmother, or would have taken it down, when Sarah decided to pretend she was giving birth to that baby. Track's girlfriend Britta Hanson left for Spain before mid-Feb. '08. If she had Trig first, he'd have to be noticeably tiny in that photo to pass as newborn two months later.
You know, someone mentioned again that $arah stated that when Willow first saw Trig (in the hospital on 4/18), she immediately noticed he had Down Syndrome. When I look at the baby the Heath's presented in the hallway, I don't see that at all. I don't see any DS features. Just another piece of the mystery.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, there are some great pics on the link at 11:16. Can anyone see what the photos are on the back of her notebook in the one photo? Looks like one may be of Track in uniform . . .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdNtRDVVRBvdU87hfbovKNZJeS_A?docId=cb2300b2777b482c9ae3483e3413a63f
barak hoosein obami didn't produce a proper birth certificut and won't be allowed on the ballot in Arizona until he does. That's when we will know that he isn't the president and never was him.
ReplyDeleteLike Sarah Palin, I was born in Idaho, a state which, like Hawaii, issues Certificates of Live Birth. The main difference between my document and the President's is his has more information than mine. I'd love to place the President's COLB next to Palin's and have a birther explain why hers is valid and his isn't. Demanding Sarah produce Trig's certificate because the President produced his seems absurd to me. She can always refuse to release her children's records and look like a mamma grizzly, but refusing to release her own? I don't know how she plays that.
ReplyDeleteIt's a bit disturbing to see so many posters here who sound like quasi-birthers. If you value the truth, and feel it's important to get to the bottom of Palin's lies, then you might want to read the truth about the President. He has produced and displayed, for the entire public to see, a state certified proof of citizenship, something no other president or presidential candidate has ever done. If you want the press or people like me to believe that Sarah is hiding something, then don't sound like a birther.
ReplyDeleteWTF? Oh my god....There is no such thing as a "long form" birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteMy birth certificate (with which I was able to get a passport, and entry & exit from Canada) is a ragged cut 8.5 x 5.5 inch (an 8 1/2 by 11 sheet, cut in half) that has NONE of the info that Tea Baggers insist have to be on "federal" birth certificates......
Why are only Hawaii officials decrying this? I would think various Secretaries of State in several states would be trying to put that particular fire out--at the risk of having legions of idiots all trying to obtain a copy of their OWN "long form" birth certificate....
Anon @ 4:20,
ReplyDeleteLet me guess, your mom and dad are brother and sister, yes?
Ignoramus fucktard.