Sunday, August 21, 2011

The arrest of Shawn Christy. Was the FBI justified?

As many of you know Shawn and his father, Craig Christy, were arrested on August 18th.

Courtesy of The Daily Beast:

But Shawn and Craig, 47, are accused of being interested in technology as well. On Aug. 18, the day after a federal grand jury in Alaska indicted the pair, agents at the FBI office in Allentown, Pa., arrested the father and son and charged them with making hundreds of harassing, expletive-filled, and threatening phone calls to former Alaska governor Sarah Palin's attorney John Tiemessen and employees of his law firm in early August. The calls were placed after Tiemessen and Palin, the 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee and potential 2012 presidential candidate, obtained restraining orders against the two men in the last year because of what they said was harassment, including text messages and phone calls to Palin family members and friends. 

Shawn Christy reportedly admitted in court to having threatened to rape Palin, and sending her numerous emails and gifts. Following their arrest, Craig and Shawn appeared in U.S. district court in Allentown. "There's a level of obsession here that elevates the conduct from merely creepy to truly threatening," Assistant U.S. Attorney John Gallagher reportedly said in arguing for the men to be held until they're transported to Anchorage for further court hearings. They face up to two years in jail, U.S. Attorney Retta-Rae Randall tells The Daily Beast.

I had written about Christy two times in April. Once essentially calling Sarah out for publicly playing the victim over these phone calls rather than handling it quietly (Like President Obama would) and then again later in the month after Christy lost his job, possibly over this same publicity.

I spoke to Shawn on the phone and though I did detect some difficulty separating reality from fantasy, I did not believe that Shawn posed a viable threat to the Palin family at that time. (An assessment also shared by the FBI, Secret Service, and Alaska law enforcement.) I did however tell Shawn that he should NEVER come to Alaska again, and that he needed to stop making any calls, or sending any e-mails, to the Palin family or friends. He agreed that was a good idea.

However clearly he did not take that "good idea" to heart.

In an affidavit dated Aug. 12, FBI Special Agent Jacqueline DeCou details the quite disturbing calls that the father-and-son duo allegedly made to the offices of Tiemessen and his family members. In an Aug. 1 call that Shawn allegedly left Tiemessen, he says: "... are you just a little fucking Semite kike that likes to get a dick up your ass and likes to fuck people over? Well, surprise, for the first time in your life, John, somebody small, some little dick fuck from McAdoo is going to ram it up your fucking ass and take everything away that you ever fucking—everything you fucking love ..." 

On Aug. 4, Craig allegedly left Tiemessen a death threat, according to the affidavit, in which he said: "I tell you, motherfucker, you're playing with the wrong fucking boy. I tell you what, you want to play fucking games like that, I'll fucking kill you. There's a fucking threat now, fucking bring it on, motherfucker. You got that? You wanna fuck with my boy like that, I will come and fucking kill you ..."

I am sorry, but there is just NO excuse for making these kind of threatening phone calls, or sending e-mails with a similar content.

I also spoke to Shawn's mom, Karen Christy, about the situation (Before I knew anything about the above exchanges.)  I chose to talk to Karen instead of her husband because I believed she was the most rational person in the family.

I talked to her about getting Shawn counseling, but she said he had passed a psychiatric evaluation with no problem, and that Shawn only had problems stemming from his exposure to Lyme disease.  She spoke about his gentleness and intelligence, and seemed to believe that the REAL problem stemmed from Sarah Palin and her family. Sadly there seemed to me to be a certain disconnect for Karen when it came to her son and husband's behaviors.

Anyway after that phone call I severed my communication with the Christy family.

Listen I know that it is very natural for those of us who have watched Sarah and her crazy antics all of these years to almost automatically take the side of anybody with whom she has a conflict.  But if what is described in the above affidavits is accurate, and I am sorry but it is hard to believe at this point that it is not, then as rational people we have to recognize that in this circumstance Sarah Palin might actually have really been the victim.

In other words, to answer the question posed in my headline, yes, it appears that the FBI was probably justified in their arrest of Shawn and Craig Christy.   I may wish that such were not the case, but all of the evidence seems to suggest that they had little choice.

97 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:28 AM

    Thanks for posting this. As you state, there is no excuse for this behavior. I'm not a Palin fan by any means, but this is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

    The transcripts from the phone calls to the attorney's office are truly disturbing. I hope both men get the help they need.

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  2. Anonymous8:29 AM

    I am curious as to who has actually seen these threatening emails.

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  3. Thank you. Be careful the masses will turn on you.

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  4. A speech by the Progressive Party candidate for President, 14 October 1912:

    "Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best.

    "And now, friends, I want to take advantage of this incident to say a word of solemn warning to my fellow countrymen. First of all, I want to say this about myself: I have altogether too important things to think of to feel any concern over my own death; and now I cannot speak to you insincerely within five minutes of being shot. I am telling you the literal truth when I say that my concern is for many other things[...]

    "I am in this cause with my whole heart and soul. I believe that the Progressive movement is making life a little easier for all our people; a movement to try to take the burdens off the men and especially the women and children of this country. I am absorbed in the success of that movement.

    "Friends, I ask you now this evening to accept what I am saying as absolutely true, when I tell you I am not thinking of my own success. I am not thinking of my life or of anything connected with me personally. I am thinking of the movement. I say this by way of introduction, because I want to say something very serious to our people and especially to the newspapers. I don't know anything about who the man was who shot me to-night. He was seized at once by one of the stenographers in my party, Mr. Martin, and I suppose is now in the hands of the police. He shot to kill. He shot - the shot, the bullet went in here - I will show you.

    "I am going to ask you to be as quiet as possible for I am not able to give to challenge of the bull moose quite as loudly. Now, I do not know who he was or what he represented. He was a coward. He stood in the darkness in the crowd around the automobile and when they cheered me, and I got up to bow, he stepped forward and shot me in the darkness.

    "Now, friends, of course, I do not know, as I say, anything about him; but it is a very natural thing that weak and vicious minds should be inflamed to acts of violence by the kind of awful mendacity and abuse that have been heaped upon me for the last three months by the papers in the interest of not only Mr. Debs but of Mr. Wilson and Mr. Taft.

    "Friends, I will disown and repudiate any man of my party who attacks with such foul slander and abuse any opponent of any other party; and now I wish to say seriously to all the daily newspapers, to the Republicans, the Democrat, and Socialist parties, that they cannot, month in month out and year in and year out, make the kind of untruthful, of bitter assault that they have made and not expect that brutal, violent natures, or brutal and violent characters, especially when the brutality is accompanied by a not very strong mind; they cannot expect that such natures will be unaffected by it"[...] [emphasis added]


    http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/research/speech%20kill%20moose.htm

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  5. Anonymous8:40 AM

    Sarah has only herself to blame for people not believing her. Like the little boy who called wolf, she's made so many false claims it's only to be expected. I'd hope she'd learn a lesson from this, but I know she won't. Now she really can claim she is a victim. Karma really IS a be-otch.

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  6. Anonymous8:40 AM

    They obviously need mental help.But before the bots show up shrieking about them being Liberal nut jobs,I want to point out they are not Liberals.Also,they were not arrested for harassing Sarah,it was for harassing Tiemesson and employees of his

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  7. WakeUpAmerica8:42 AM

    For those people who are going to attack the Lyme disease remark, it's possible that it had a negative affect on his personality. Once the spirochete gets into the brain, it can attack actually destroy parts of it, before the disease is irradicated. Some people can only knock back the disease but not remove it. This is especially true once it gets into the brain.

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  8. ManxMamma8:43 AM

    Those transcripts were horrifying. The arrest was absolutely the right thing to happen.

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  9. Anonymous8:43 AM

    I will not judge the parents at all. It is impossible to get mental health help for a person 16 and older without their okay. You cannot medicate, force into counseling, any person over 16. You may only have them held on a 72 hour hold if you think they are an emminent danger at the time--they will then be released as soon as they are determined NOT to be a danger.
    The parents , like many others, live in a world where every good day for their mentally ill relative is a relief, and the bad days--well you sometimes justify them and hope tomorrow will be a a better day.
    I have a seriously mentally ill niece, I will call her "Abby". She has a Borderline Personality Disorder and it is made worse by illegal drug use. I love her, and though I tried never to have favorites, she was always very close to me as a child.
    We have tried to keep her on the appropriate meds, tried to keep her in long term therapy( I have personally paide for many stints in different settings. But she does not comply.
    We take every day that she isn't arrested, isn't causing a scene, as a good one. It's sad in a way when her parents, siblings, and other extended family think that any day that does not involve the authorities as a good one for "Abby". Any day that "Abby" is not high, suicidal, or overly reactive is a good day...any day she is still alive is a good day.....


    I will not judge the parents. They have learned to live with their sons issues and just adjusted their standards of what a "good day " is.
    And in all fairness, why would his mother have released ANY info about his mental health to a person over the phone from Alaska. There is most likely much more we are unaware of. We have no idea what the family has been living through.

    That said ,
    I DO NOT condone threats on ANY level to anyone. I just hope that whatever the judgement meted out to this young man includes a psych exam and maybe a longterm commitment (where he would receive mental health help) in a state facility instead of jail.
    Sorry if this sounds like a rambling post, but my sister called earlier and its not a good day for her daughter "Abby".

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  10. O/T but Globe tabloid I saw at grocery had Palin on cover with Sadie's allegation about her using cocaine. Story also discussed Track.

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  11. Anonymous8:45 AM

    I admit that I am not as certain as I would like to be., given my low tolerance for threats of violence.


    Here's what troubles me: What kind of provocation would it take for me as a reasonable parent to respond in unreasonable ways to punitive action against my child, which I believed was fundamentally unfair, disproportionate, and escalating due to powerful forces.

    And if I had protected my child, with his issues, lifelong - and understood his interface with the outside world was limited in its scope and effectiveness.

    What kind of rage would result if I knew that my child was actually being victimized, and no one would listen - and what if my own ability to advocate for him was compromised by my own background, insularity, and inexperience?

    What if Willow and Shawn texted after Shawn contacted Palin's office after her VP announcement? What if he was encouraged by Willow? What if sexual messaging was part of that encouragement? Read the interview: this is the nugget that popped out.

    The Palins are capable of this and worse.

    I remain unconvinced. Even though my automatic response is that this language and threats are never justified.

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  12. sewnup8:48 AM

    Sounds like it was easily justifiable, but the part that seems to be swept under the rug is that Sarah's past behavior has been the precipitant to drawing these people into the daylight...the same behavior that is clearly a sign of mental illness to the rest of us seems far more "normal" to another person whose reality is skewed.
    They are two (or three, counting the mother) fish in a pot, stewing together. Brings to mind the old playground taunt "Takes one to know one".

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  13. FloridaDem8:53 AM

    Agreed. And I think the family's fb page is also nuts.

    But at the same time, you sleep with dogs you get fleas. Unfortunately, Palin flirts with the dangerous fringes of society. Of course I wish her well in terms of safety, but some of what she deals with is a result of her actions.

    By the way gryph, I sympathize with you in what's being said elsewhere, it's quite distasteful. But what can you do, people are human and make bad decisions at times.

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  14. Balzafiar9:05 AM

    They are guilty of being very foul-mouthed, abusive and threatening but they haven't taken any overt action that I know of.

    In addition they are quite some distance from Alaska and aren't flush with the kind of funds it takes to do extensive travel.

    In my part of the country, LEA won't take any action against an accused unless the accused has physically done something -- words are just words and frequently are hurled in anger with no followup.

    OTOH, I have only read what was in the affidavit so there may be much, much more evidence than the phone calls. Given the content of the language in the affidavit, one has to wonder what provoked it.

    Is there possibly guilt on both sides?

    This entire thing may have been squelched at less expense to the taxpayers by having two FBI agents pay a visit and have a talk with them to let them know it had to stop and they would be monitored.

    If such a visit happened to me I would certainly get the message -- but then I'm not the Christy's, either.

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  15. Anonymous9:09 AM

    Nobody deserves to be on the receiving end of things like this. I did note how these attacks sound a lot like the threatening calls Palin supporters make to people that are publicly against her. What the hell is wrong with these people anyway?

    What I find really interesting is the role religion has in these folks lives. Aren't they supposed to be "Christians". These type of people are so violent, perverse and usually racist. How do you come away with all this hatred after studying Christ and his teachings? Raw stupidity I suppose.

    I think Sarah and her pals should be pretty damn grateful to the "Federal" Bureau of Investigations for helping to protect her controversial ass because even if these losers don't have the means to bring harm to the Palins and her minions they should not have to listen to crap like this. Nobody should (including our President and his administration who probably get this to the umpteenth degree thanks in part to $P). The whole thing is pretty ironic. Though, I'm sure the term you reap what you sow is lost on folks like Sarah Palin.

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  16. It is quite possible that these two won't be the last of her obsessed fans who will come out of the woodwork as they begin to realize how they've been used (Only the main parties know for sure what originally happened in the he said/she said world of the Palins). Shawn & his father may not be the only crazies who turn on her. Karma for Sarah.

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  17. Anonymous9:15 AM

    Is Sarah Palin really the victim? This Daily Beast story suggests maybe she's not:

    "Karen [Christy] says she can't comment on what led to this alleged explosion of anger due to the ongoing criminal investigation, and that it's Sarah Palin and her daughter Willow who are actually at the root of the mess. In 2008, Shawn contacted Palin's office following the announcement of her vice-presidential run, asking for information on her views. "In the beginning of 2009, he began receiving text messages and phone calls from who we believe is Willow Palin," says Karen. When asked how she knew it was Willow, Karen says, "It was from the conversations they had," and that the phone number was an Alaska number. "Shawn and Willow," Karen says, "were texting back and forth." Sarah Palin also got in on the texting, she contends, which included sexually explicit messages. "I don't know what they said—my husband knows the conversations more than I do," Karen says, "and even if I did, I don't know if I can say."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/21/sarah-palin-s-alleged-stalkers-wife-and-mother-of-accused-speaks.html

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  18. Anonymous9:19 AM

    There are poeople who have been harrassed for talking out about the Palins, also. Sorry, I have no sympathy for anyone in that family. Just read a funny article on Daily Kos. "The Palins are responsible for Borders Bankruptcy" Seems one store had lots of unsold Palin books, both Momma Grizzly and Bristles. The writer said you could not turn around without seeing a book with one of the Palins on the cover. Hopefully the message will get out to anyone thinking of writing another book for any of them.

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  19. Anonymous9:21 AM

    How did the Shawn Christy get the Palin's phone number in the first place? This whole thing seems so odd.

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  20. Anonymous9:28 AM

    I think the father may be prompting the son. Everything about them screams ¨stay away,¨ like you would stay away from a rattlesnake, Black Widow, or a belligerent drunk. It doesn´t take much to antagonize these loose cannons. Did the palin´s ¨play¨ them and bite off more than they can chew? Who knows? All we know is nothing justifies this type of behavior.

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  21. OverMountainMan9:31 AM

    Gryph,
    I really haven't followed the Christy thing but yesterday I saw n article on BI (Business Insider ) and in their comments section was a link to Mr Christys FB page that has raised a few questions for me, First off how did the Christys get the Palins cell phone numbers unless they contacted them first as he suggests that Sarah and his son were involved in sexting eachother, He also says that Willow is still contacting him through his FB page using aliases ?? It would seem that this could be easily verified ? He also says that the original threat letter isn't in the possession of anyone and that Chuck Heath has destroyed it ? Admittedly Christy seems out there but I believe there is an unlying story here that needs to be looked into

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  22. Anonymous9:40 AM

    8:45. though I agree with Gryphen, I find your words and thoughts resonating within me. Yes, the words were seriously wrong, but perhaps, given variables we might not be aware of, I too can see how the father reacted as he did and why the mother still seems unable to grasp the horrendous impact of those words.

    I was also impressed to see points made about the arrest being made because of their direction at the attorney and firm, not Sarah.

    Also, the points made about the difficulty of getting young people mental health care and the impact of Lyme disease on the brain.

    Yes, those were inexcusable threats, but given the possible contexts, I hope if the variable mentioned here have validity and applicability, that there is some sense of compassion and mercy shown.

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  23. Anonymous9:41 AM

    I wonder: Will Sarah Palin like "the Feds" now?

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  24. Anonymous9:41 AM

    This is just sad. The young man obviously has serious issues, but apparently, so too must the father. They both will undoubtedly wind up in jail, destroying the lives of their entire family. The history of the family as presented, really is curious--in terms of the father's actions. What incited him to such a degree that he would behave in such a despicable and unfathomable way? Is he too suffering mental illness?
    Or is there more to the story yet to be revealed?

    I most certainly don't condone any of this, but find it hard to understand what triggered this behavior.... Perhaps we will find out or perhaps not. Sad sad situation. I hope they both get mental health intervention.

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  25. Anonymous9:45 AM

    Same kind of crazy as the Arizona shooting. Just another classic example of why gun laws are a good thing. Words are one thing - bullets another.

    Canadian Socialist

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  26. Anonymous9:50 AM

    I have mixed feelings about this...if anyone was in real danger of course they should have been arrested. Those emails were disgusting BUT the Palin's have ways of dealing with "problems" using AK authorities so it's easy to be suspect. Hopefully at trial the whole story will come out. How Shawn came into contact with the Palins? Why they kept accepting calls? Any transcripts of texts or fb private messages. Why and if the Heaths and or Palin's sister contacted the Christy's.

    I do think Craig Christy's Lyme disease could be a factor in his inability to control his anger and ability to be rational. The fact that he is/was Shawn's primary caregiver could also contribute to some of Shawn's behavior.

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  27. Anonymous9:53 AM

    I certainly don't advocate the stalking and threatening. But this is what she signed up for. She wants the celebrity, and this is what goes along with it. But you don't hear other celebrities going on and on about what victims they are. Sure, the tabloids will give it some press, but most celebrities let the authorities and others take care of it and take the security precautions that are advised by professionals. To me, that is the main difference here.

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  28. Anonymous9:54 AM

    Anon 8:43 - Both Shawn & Craig are accused of making the calls & writing the e-mals to Palin's attorney/office. Craig & Karen have claimed since 2009 that Shawn was given and passed a phycological exam. They also claim that the most recent problems are from a letter the Palin's claim was written by Shawn but cannot be produced. They also claim Willow Palin called them in the last 2 weeks and stated Chuck Heath burned the letter. There's a LOT more to this story than we're hearing.

    Yes, they should be investigated for the harassment/threats toward the attorney's office. But, I don't believe they've contact the Palin's since the RO was issued (don't know that for sure). How would they get the Palin's private phone numbers?

    Also, the Christy's were HUGH Palin FANS. Just the kind of people Palin attracts! She has nobody to blame but herself and I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.

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  29. Anonymous9:55 AM

    It's impossible for me not to wonder if these "transcripts" are accurate or if Sarah suggested what ought to go in them.

    If I hear actual recordings...well that's another story. But as long as we're only seeing transcripts...I'm skeptical.

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  30. Anonymous9:57 AM

    Will the Christy's at least get a public defender now? I know they've been trying to represent themselves in this mess.

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  31. Anonymous9:57 AM

    It might be interesting to know if there is a story behind the story, if you know what I mean. Strange indeed.

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  32. Anonymous10:02 AM

    Palin and her daughter has created a situation where if they cry wolf, very few 'sane' people would listen or take them seriously. Thankfully the law still has to investigate but they brought this doubting atmosphere upon themselves.

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  33. Anonymous10:07 AM

    There definitely was a death threat and multiple uses of obscene and threatening language from the Christy's to the law firm, so yes, the FBI was justified.

    One thing people should know is that Craig Christy homeschooled Shawn, evidently while the mother worked.

    I don't know about you, but since it seems that Shawn and his father are in this together, I expect the father is the real instigator of this whole situation and his son is following him, just as he's followed him in everything else. The mother is just an enabler, and both parents have insulated their kid from the real world as some kind of little demigod who they have wrapped their own lives around.

    They're another dysfunctional family whose behaviors have escalated out of control.

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  34. "How did the Shawn Christy get the Palin's phone number in the first place? This whole thing seems so odd."

    Their landline number was listed for years, as we discovered during the Kernell trial.

    Poor, poor Bristol was so terrified by being stalked that she forgot they had an ordinary telephone. Or maybe she couldn't figure out how to use it.

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  35. Anonymous10:13 AM

    I speak as an Alaskan who was friended by both Shawn and Craig on facebook. I did not seek them out. I'm not sure why I accepted the fb friendship, other than I typically accept anyone's request.

    They've never appeared sane to me. All 3 family members have claimed theyve had personal and perpetual contact with members of her family, all 3 use her daughter to boister their attacks. When their comments got personal and dangerous sounding, I messages both men, saying the need to cease the attacks, never contact them again, quite friending random Alaskans, and move on from their obsession. (paraphrase. I was kind but blunt)

    Craig WENT OFF to put it mildly.

    Shawn and I began a brief convo that changed tones from day to day. One day he'd appear sane and act like he was moving on, the next he was set on revenge and acted like he would actually harm people.

    I hope they get help and fear the help will need to be mandated, not voluntary, as no one in the family shows mental clarity or sanity.

    In brief moments of clarity however, Shawn did mention how much he abhors his parents, how messed up they are, how they're imbeciles with money and have always been in the hole in some way or other. I think his dream of moving cross country to flee than is accurate. I also think he would move to AK if he legally and financially were able. He seems to like it there, regardless of where his "dream mother Sarah Palin" lives.

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  36. Anonymous10:15 AM

    It's sad unbalanced people latch onto public figures in an obsessive and often harmful way. Thank goodness for restraining orders.

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  37. Anonymous10:16 AM

    Threatening to rape someone is a very serious matter. And these two men seem to be pretty damn scary.

    I would however like to find out if their threat to rape Palin,or was it her daughter? preceded or followed her repeated claims that people were threatening,or as with Letterma had threatened or imaged a rape of/to rape Willow, Piper, etc.

    She may have been the cause of the treat by putting herself and her family in the MSM as as images of victims of rape.

    Sarah won't learn the lesson here anymore than she did with the Gifford targeting, but public figures words do have influence. Violent fictional images created by the person who has access to the airwaves may very well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Though it is usually an innocent bystander who ends of the victim.

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  38. Anonymous10:17 AM

    Bad news for Shawn is, I have him on multiple accounts saying he wants money from Sarah. I believe that to be the root. Oh - and the hope he had that she *might one day adopt him and save him from his family.

    That comment interested me greatly, as I've noticed several other (albeit saner) people obsess about Sarah because of her strong, close family unit. We all may notbe jealous, but there are people who are jealous of people who have large, wonderful families.

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  39. Anonymous10:18 AM

    Why didn't the Palins change their phone numbers, addresses (email), etc. so as not to get the calls, text messages and emails? Other folks have done that due to receiving nasty commentary from the Palin group and some of their fans.

    Palin - as well as some of her fans - have done & said some pretty horrid things to folks not on the Palin side such as Joe McGinniss and David Letterman. Why didn't the FBI go after them for slander?

    Makes no sense at all.

    What goes around, comes around, Palins!

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  40. Anonymous10:21 AM

    Thank you TheNastyLiberal
    8:38

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  41. Anonymous10:21 AM

    Wow. You're brave for calling him. Does he have your phone number?

    When he friended me on facebook, he soon after begin incessantly messaging me inane things. I replied once, he took it as the start of a beautiful friendship, and proceeded to beg me for my #.

    The boy's obviously lonely. The few things I said to him after that were things woud tell an adolescent: go out, make friends, discover passions, dream big, go to school, leave your past in the past.

    He obviously didn't listen to me either. I smell extortion via Michael Jackson style.

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  42. Anonymous10:27 AM

    They haven't arrested any of the people who threatened the President. And believe me, those were viscous threats. Why the hell hasn't anyone of those people been arrested? Or, for that matter, why hasn't Palin been arrested for inciting the hate and threats against the President? Shawn and Christy, if what has been alleged is true, were wrong. But so is the skank Palin. She has stalked the President with a vengeance since he has been in office. I DON'T feel sorry for that bitch not one little bit. If she sat her skanky ass down and took a good long bath sometimes, maybe this type of thing wouldn't happen.

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      You are making posts and pretending to be some else.

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  43. Anonymous10:29 AM

    I agree -- these kinds of threats/harassment are unacceptable, and the arrest seems valid.

    The good thing to come out of this mess is that, with a two-year sentence at risk, they should be eligible for court-appointed counsel. Separate counsel -- one for Shawn and one for Craig.

    Hopefully, that will help get to the bottom of things. If there is any involvement by $arah or anyone in her family, and there's evidence, it should come out. Even if not, at least Shawn and Craig will have someone on their side. Had they been represented before now, I doubt things would have gotten this far.

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  44. Apparently, 'ol Joe McGinniss has something to say..

    >> Andrew Sullivan, whom I consider a personal friend, and Laura Novak, whom I consider an online friend, both remain focused on the question of whether Sarah actually gave birth to Trig. I consider this a valid question. I raise it in THE ROGUE and, in fact, devote Chapter 19 to what I hope is a responsible consideration of it.

    I have found basis for questioning Sarah’s account of her pregnancy and labor that led to the birth of Trig.

    I have found NO basis for questioning Track’s parentage, but the fact that you read selectively and that neither Andrew nor Laura has raised it does not mean it’s not out there: Please see this post from one of Alaska’s most widely-read bloggers:

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-is-it-about-water-in-wasilla.html

    This blogger actually suggests that Steve Menard’s trashing of a hotel room somehow makes it more likely that his late brother was Track’s father.

    You have to pay attention, because this post is like a game of three-card monte, with logic well hidden, if not nonexistent. But the blogger’s conclusion is:

    “Some of the more egregious behaviors attributed to Track might NOT have been the result of poor parenting on the Palin’s part, but instead due to simple biology.”

    Meaning that Track’s father was Curtis Menard, Jr., brother of Steve Menard, and that both brothers came from the same bad seed.

    Steve trashes a hotel room: ergo, because Track Palin, as a teenager, had troubles with alcohol and drugs, Steve’s brother, Curtis, Jr., must be Track’s father.

    Do you think I exaggerate the nuttiness? This blogger actually wrote:

    “Aren’t there rumors that Track is the offspring of Steve Menard’s brother, Curtis Menard? Yes there are. In fact most of the bloggers and authors who write about Palin have decided that the rumor is most likely not a rumor at all, but rather a cold hard fact.”

    A huge percentage of commenters on my blog say they’ve also just commented on that other blog, or come to my blog to repeat what they read some commenter saying at that other blog, or others, and others, and others.

    So it’s not like if I didn’t mention it, it wouldn’t exist.

    Personally, I think the best thing to do with all these rumors about the Palins is to hold them up to the light of day–while there is still summer daylight in Alaska–and see which, if any, prove to have substance.

    That’s part of what I’ve tried to do in THE ROGUE. <<



    I don't know about you guys but I feel rather offended..

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  45. Anonymous10:59 AM

    Somehow I think maybe Willow had a hand in this. Perhaps she had access to her mom's BlackBerry?

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  46. Anonymous11:11 AM

    Something I do find troubling, is that this is being based on calls and threats to Tiemessen and his family. The Palins - Sarah, Willow, even Chuck & Sally and there is Kristen Cole too. Where are they in this.

    Is this the 'Palin, get a free pass card' - again? No need to testify in that she might perjure herself like she and Bristol did in Tennessee. I still believe the young man`s lawyer did him a massive disservice as the Palin`s got a `free pass` to spew lies.

    If there is evidence of the Sarah's and Willow's alleged 'drawing' the Christys into communications exchanges which has been referred to as sexting. Chuck & Sally Heath have appeared to have dialogued with them many times. Kristen Cole too is involved being she too took out a restraining order.

    Will this evidence be allowed in a trial?? In AK?? A fair trial in AK?? Being this has been based on Tiemessen -- and will be taking place in AK -- I fear not.

    I`m not saying that what the Christys did is right. Should they be charged - yes. I just am seeing this as I have the sick feeling that the Christys are going to be shafted and Palin gets to gloat -- as it may possibly be what has been said by the mother and Palin may be the one at the core of this.

    Palin - the Grizzly. NOT -- She`s using her lawyer to do the dirty work. If she was so worried, she`d be doing this instead of the usual `victim Palin. Truthfully, she`s not a grizzly -- she`s just a fungus.

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  47. I agree totally that nobody deserves that kind of threatening, and I also agree that it should not go unpunished. However, I would like to know the full story, the truth. It's always somewhere in the middle, isn't it? Mr. Christy makes some very, very detailed claims and accusations on his FB page - names and dates included. Shawn obviously had their cell phone numbers, which to my knowlege are never public. Something stinks here, and it's more than the fact that this family is obviously sick...It seems very retaliatory to me, and I'd like to know of WHAT.

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  48. Anonymous11:26 AM

    why are you even talking about your communications with S? I'd give this a wide wide berth, G.

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  49. I have to wonder...

    ...since Palin approves of rape victims paying for their own rape kits, how she would have felt had Christie followed through on his threat to rape Willow and then her receiving a bill for the rape kit. Imagine the humiliation opening that envelope and having those horrible feelings rushing back. And knowing that you actually have to spend your hard-earned money because you were victimized against your will. Then, horror of horrors, poor Willow ends up pregnant. Would mommie dearest force her to carry to term? After all, her buddy Santorum thinks its less of a trauma than taking a morning after pill.

    I would never wish any of that on the Palin family of course. But every day, it DOES happen to other families in this country. And its all too easy to pass judgement on a faceless victim and force them to abide by your views when you don't have to stare into their tear-stained faces.

    Maybe Sarah should think about that before she shoots her stupid mouth off next time.

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  50. Anonymous12:05 PM

    THERE ARE YOU TUBES. of GRANDMA Sally telling Shawn to call them and talk things over back in March of 2011.

    Her own words. They are scared but want to talk to him?

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  51. Anonymous12:16 PM

    Frank Luntz: ‘No room’ for Palin in GOP field
    http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/frank-luntz-no-room-for-palin-in-gop-field/

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  52. Anonymous12:16 PM

    What did the $Ps and their legal henchmen do to incite this type of behavior? Where is the evidence of communication from the SPs and the attorneys to the Christys? Hard to believe there is none...

    Do they mean to tell us that this behavior was ALL coming from the defendants? With no interaction from the plaintiffs?

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  53. Anonymous12:51 PM

    Agree that the Christy's behavior should be stopped and dealt with. However, just one point.....why are the disturbing messages being released for the public's consumption?

    If this were me or my family being harrassed, I'd be asking my lawyer to keep all these disturbing detailed threats out of the news. It's bad enough to hear it once, but why set off more crazy by dignifying these terrifying words?

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  54. @anonymous at 8:43, about those over 16 with mental illness… thanks for your post.

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  55. Anonymous1:08 PM

    @10:45am
    I find Joe's remarks very offensive too. It's book promotion -- he's trying to come across as "reasonable" and fact-based, so that people won't write him off as a nutcase and not buy his book.

    I hate all the posturing people do to promote their own stuff. Doesn't getting at the truth mean anything anymore?

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  56. Anonymous1:10 PM

    Personally, I think there's more to this Shawn & Craig Christy story that meets the eye. They seem crazy, but then, so does Scarah, so it's anyone's guess what really happened. Also, I'm not really impressed by transcripts - they are easily faked. If there were phone calls I want to hear them.

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  57. P.S. just for everyone's general erudition:

    "eminent" means distinguished, outstanding, powerful [land is seized by "eminent domain"], whereas…

    "imminent" means pending, about to occur, liable to happen soon.

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  58. Anonymous1:17 PM

    I went to Craig FB and would post sometime I was receiving messages from someone. Same crap, I dont know Sarah, she loves her family, shes a private citizen and a few choice words. So I'm in the same ball park as some, we know Sarah will get back at people and ruin their life by the books that have come out and by her actions the past 3yrs.

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  59. OverMountainMan1:27 PM

    So is Mrs Christy a mental case too ?? Is she a liar ? On her FB page she is saying that Willow Palin has been calling their home and they have reported these calls to officials ????
    Supposedly a Claude Kilpatrick an ex state trooper and personal security for then Gov. Palin encouraged the young Christy to make threats towards Obama to Palins office repeatedly,This was on Shawns FB page and Stand strong Shawn Christy FB page both of which have been taken down ?? I did a little looking and Kilpatrick is apparently somewhere in the southwest now ( Arizona ?? ) His FB interests include Sarah Palin & a non profit called "Matter of Trust" which on its face seems like an eviromentally friendly non profit but digging a little deeper finds it has been accused of scamming people out of their money, Kilpatricks friend list includes a few people named Johnston ( Hmmm ?? ) This trail is as icky as any Sarah lays her hands on I'm beginning to believe the Christys are getting railroaded

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  60. to anon @8:43, the aunt of "Abby". I'm also the aunt of someone with mental and behavioral challenges.
    He's younger, but my sister and I understand that we shall likely have to look forward to certain phone calls. It is never easy.

    I am convinced that these issues are largely organic and genetic. I don't think there is a ready cure yet today.

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  61. Anonymous1:43 PM

    If they did this, then they are indeed wrong. It would be crazy to e-mail and call a lawyer's office with this type of stuff.

    I think you were smart G to cut off all connections, there is just too much crazy anymore.

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  62. Anonymous1:48 PM

    I get the impression Shawn Christie was a supporter of Sarah Palin originally...can someone verify this?

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  63. Anonymous1:58 PM

    The younger Christy is clearly mentally ill. And our society has practically no understanding of, or practicable way to deal with, the mentally ill. Yes, the Palins and Heaths need to be protected from threats and intimidation and possible violence--as we all should.

    What compassion and understanding will be given to the mentally ill young Christy by the Palin-Heaths and Alsakan courts? Will the Palins try to do what they did to young Mr. Kernell- whose crime of guessing her Yahoo account password sent him to jail for a lengthy time on a first offense?

    It's more than a little ironic that S Palin, some of her adherents, and some of her family members have been recorded bullying and intimidating others, along with the use of violent imagery and agressive tactics (i.e. rifle crosshairs, "don't retreat reload" aimed at elected officials) but don't see how their own actions may be only on a more lightly shaded part of the same spectrum that the mentally ill are on. In short, mentally ill people don't live in a vacuum but refect the culture they come from.

    So the question of how much compassion will the Palins and others show for the truly mentally ill, as personified in Shawn Christy, is at play. He needs medical care and treatment. He has no money or power and a family with serious problems. If he, or his family, had influence and money this unfortunate occurrence probably would have been settled quietly with far less heat from the lawyer and the Palin family.

    I am not condoning threats of violence, or violence--quite the reverse. I'm saying let's get serious about identifying and treating mental illness. And let's not fall for Palin and others possibly trying to make hay with a situation that faces many Americans everyday--how to deal with mental illness, as well as bullying and aggression.

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  64. Anonymous2:05 PM

    The Christy family has claimed that Willow Palin is autistic. Gryphen, in your knowledge of the Palin family does Willow have a learning disability?

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  65. Anonymous2:14 PM

    11:38 Sarah doesn't think before she opens her yap!!! I see the Palins being very much involved with this and the Christys taking all the heat.

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  66. Anonymous2:14 PM

    As someone else commented, the "boy who cried wolf" (Sarah) is going to have a harder time getting people to believe/have sympathy for him/her.

    That being said, of course the harassment by the Christys is wrong and should be punished.

    However, the fact that Sarah Palin has a stalker doesn't make her any less of a despicable person. Even a hellacious asshole can have a stalker. Maybe if she weren't such a lying sack of shit, people would take more pity on her when she truly has call to cry vicitim.

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  67. Anonymous2:20 PM

    10:45 Get over it! And don't start trouble. It's just a difference of opinion and style. I think some of the Palinbots are trying to stir up more trouble.

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  68. Anonymous2:26 PM

    10:45 am nolaredhead said - Joe has something to say




    It wouldn't surprise me if ole Joe came out now and endorsed Sarah for president, lots of odd comments now over there.

    He even poked fun at someone for spelling Toad for Todd, $arah for Sarah and Paylin for Palin.


    In my opinion only, Joe has no love anymore for his commenters; he is arrogant. I do not comment anywhere except here, Gryphen forgives us our ignorance and doesn't jump on us for snarking at him or others.

    Someone made the comment here yesterday when Joe's name was mentioned - to take the comment to Joe's blog and let him cut the person down to size and not to be so petty. My question would be why should Joe be cutting anyone down to size, now that would be petty in my opinion.

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  69. Anonymous2:56 PM

    Lidia17
    Yes . I too believe mental illness is organic. My niece is adopted and came from a very disturbing homelife and we are sure her mother was mentally ill. No matter, we will always love her as you will your nephew. But yes, be aware that at 16 , even though he will still be a minor, your nephew will be made aware that he can refuse all meds and therapies.
    It's such a roller coaster, but there are also the good times and love to carry you through.

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  70. Anonymous3:16 PM

    This behavior is not acceptable by anyone neither the Christie's or the wacko's that do the same to anyone that speaks out against the palins and their absertaties. the threats are inappropriate but lets remember that MANY people have been subjected to these same acts by the palins deranged follows and possibly her own camp. I don't see them being held to account for their actions ever! Why is that???

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  71. Anonymous3:55 PM

    The liberal nuts in this case aren't the Christys. They are just plain nuts. The liberal nuts in this case are 90% of the commenters on this board who, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of the Christys' actions, are still trying to justify or dismiss those actions because Palin is the other party. I have to wonder if any of you have a legitimate, well reasoned, fact based reason for hating Palin. Most of what you've posted about her thus far has little basis in reality and seems to be nothing more than some sort of deranged hatred at a conservative woman. It would be interesting to see if any of you could come up with a legitimate reason for such hatred. Nothing Palin has done in this sitution justifies or excuses the actions of the Craig family. Only a nut would think otherwise. Being in the public eye may put one in the position of being threatened but it is not a "you get what you deserve" excuse that one is in the public eye. How about replacing the name Palin with that of a liberal female politician and re-reading the story that way. I'm willing to bet that most of you would find the situation wholly unacceptable if a liberal politician were the recipient of these crackpot threats.

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  72. Anonymous4:22 PM

    Anon 2:26

    I am one that has said that if a specific person as it was directed to a poster`s name, had a problem with Joe -- take it there. Joe had responded and she probably wasn`t going to like it.

    If that was the one you refer to -- so be it -- bite me. And if it was the one, have the decency to quote as your words are BS. I know I did not say `cut the person down` etc.

    ``My question would be why should Joe be cutting anyone down to size, now that would be petty in my opinion``

    Your question of why he should.... you have to ask him. Sorry -- I left my MRU Certificate at the office -- MRU is Mind Readers University. It`s not for me or anyone else to answer for or what he is thinking. He did post his explanation. What part of that did you not understand - Truthfully - I don`t want to know and I don`t care.

    As someone referred to it on Joe`s site -- that`s Joe`s porch. His porch - his rules. This is Gryphen`s porch. You can rework the words around however you wish but it`s not going to change. Joe makes the decisions for his blog - Gryphen makes them for IM.

    The more I see the Joe references, the more I see toddlers having a tantrum. Like someone running to tell their Mommy that Joey hit me.

    Geesh.

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  73. Anonymous4:26 PM

    Did any of the ones who threatened the Judge in the custody case get arrested.

    Didn`t think so.

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  74. Anonymous4:32 PM

    2:20 pm said Get over it. And don't start trouble.




    Are you the only one here allowed to have an opinion and a comment? Maybe you need to get over whatever! All commenters who don't think as you do are not always palinbots.

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  75. Anonymous5:45 PM

    Anon 3.55

    How about replacing the name Palin with that of a liberal female politician and re-reading the story that way.
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    I do not have to as I`m sure you take care of that all by yourself. Quite possibly with racist rants about Obama or comments about Clinton.

    The SeeofPee is over there>>>>>>>> where you can display your `lust`for your chosen one.

    And oh by the way -- should I desire to hate the Slut Palin -- it`s my right to do so.

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  76. You do all realize this was a post about Shawn Christy and his dad don't you?

    As for Joe McGinniss, he and I are still friends.

    I still urge everybody to buy his book.

    And I have little or no expectation that EVERYBODY will agree with me on any given topic.

    Offline Joe and I have disagreed many times. This is just the first time all of you were given a ringside seat.

    As for the Christy family, I will add that this was a post that I really did not want to write. I kind of liked Shawn, and hoped that he would get passed the Sarah Palin thing and move on with his life.

    I have worked with a lot of young people with mental health concerns, and so I am probably far more patient with somebody like Shawn than perhaps others might be. But when he and his father made those kinds of phone calls, regardless of their reasoning, that was too far over the line of acceptable behavior to make any excuses for them.

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  77. Anonymous6:19 PM

    Another double standard rearing it's ugly face.

    Those that don't have the connections - this wouldn't get the time of day of the police.

    I say this because I've walked that walk with a dear friend.

    She had a stalker. Phone calls, emails, threats he would murder her. This went on for months.

    She would go to the police and again and again she would be told there was absolutely nothing they could do until something happened.

    She did everything she could to be safe. You could see her looking over her shoulder even when she was out with me and friends or family. She would not go out alone. She was a prisoner in her own home in many ways.

    She moved believing if she was in another police district, she may get help. CRICKETS. They said the same thing.

    Let's just say, she finally got her police report but she'll never know. Her parents found her stabbed to death in her car in the garage one day. She was getting into her car to go to work.

    Double standard -- You're god dammed right there is.

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  78. Anonymous6:28 PM

    Anon 3:55. We don't have all night to list all the fact-based reasons to hate some one like SP. Show me a liberal political woman who behaves like SP and then we could insert her name and I would bet repugs would be all over the case. I am not condoning the behavior of the Cristys, but based on so much public evidence that scara herself has displayed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder if she or her wonderfully behaved daughters have had a hand in taunting this family. Unless you are her attorney, you have no idea what role SP has played. And if you think the majority of the public hates SP for no legitimate reason, then please explain why her approval ratings are so low and she IS so hated by SO many????????

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  79. Anonymous7:05 PM

    No one deserves threats like these. Obviously one Psychotic man homeschooling and grooming his mentally ill son isn't working out too well.
    What I find troubling, as mentioned by others, are questions that need to be answered, like how does this kid have their cell phone numbers, why the law office and FBI are handling this, when in other cases, Sarah took the initiative to announce her victimhood to the world.
    Mental Illness is a problem we've swept under the rug and ignored for way too long. The laws have to change in order to get these people the help, medication, and therapies they so desperately need.
    We have a family member who's been through the revolving door, and without his explicit permission, the most we can hope for is 72 hours and a quick evaluation before his release. It effects everyone in the family. Luckily, my family member isn't prone to violence toward others, and poses more of a threat to herself than anyone else.
    I hope this family gets some kind of support and help. I'm not sure they'll get a fair trial in AK, but whatever happens, I hope all the factors that led to these threats are exposed. Nothing happens in a vacuum, and something set this kid off other than his father.

    Thanks for addressing this matter, I learned a lot reading the post and the comments. Thanks Nasty Liberal for your comment, good stuff!

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  80. Anonymous8:08 PM

    3:55, you're a bit deranged if you can't understand why Sarah Palin is loathed. Having watched her disgusting antics for over 3 years, I can't help but loath the woman. And I stress "her disgusting antics" because my opinion is based entirely on Sarah's own actions.

    The Christys did cross the line, and until I see evidence otherwise, I'm going to believe the law enforcement reports released to date. However, considering the allegations made by the Christys, including the unanswered questions regarding how the Christys obtained the Palin cell numbers, I would not be surprised if there were more to this story. It is precisely as a result of the Palin family's conduct on the public stage that I feel there is more than we are being told right now

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  81. emrysa8:23 PM

    some jackass said:

    "I have to wonder if any of you have a legitimate, well reasoned, fact based reason for hating Palin. Most of what you've posted about her thus far has little basis in reality and seems to be nothing more than some sort of deranged hatred at a conservative woman."

    the quitter (FACT) is an irresponsible (FACT), vindictive (FACT), cheating (FACT), grifting (FACT), liar (FACT).

    and to back up the FACTS, I refer you to:

    death panels, pallin around with terrorists, writing letters to the editor and signing other people's names to them, voting repeatedly in online polls to skew results in her favor, alaska taxpayers paying her to work in her own home and for her children's travel, appointing unqualified friends to high-position jobs, illegally setting up a legal defense fund, Walt Monegan, Mike Wooten, Chip Thoma, quitting as governor, quitting the oil and gas commission post. I'm sure I've left something out. now go back to your own blog asshole.

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  82. Anonymous9:54 PM

    Anon @8:45 I am in your camp..lots of unanswered questions.

    I wonder how long her attorney's office has been taking these calls?
    Seems they should have acted immediately considering the intense and violent nature of them, unless of course they were trying to entrap them. I do not condone the Christy's behavior in any way...and wonder if they sought any kind of outside assistance or help in dealing with this situation.

    I just know that I don't trust Sarah Palin or those that surround her. And I also think justice serves best those with the most money and the most power.

    Speaking of justice, judicial appointments are extremely backlogged in the Senate costing tax payer dollars and stressing the effeciencey of our judicial system. Republicans are interferring and obstructing the the wheels of government, again. Please consider writing the members of the Senate judicial committee and telling them to get off the dime. Enough! I can only imagine where our country might be if not for a certain faction that has taken upon itself to interfere and obstruct and make governing almost impossible. IMO, we would be a lot farther down this very difficult road. Case in point Congress which is in recess, but is technically not in recess which interferes with PBO's ability to make recess appointments. I really hate the thought of my tax dollars paying the salaries and the benefits of those who refuse to do the work that they have been elected to do. That is to me the true definition of welfare fraud.

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  83. Anonymous10:17 PM

    Reading comprehension, peeps! The father-son team was NOT arrested for contacting Palin. They were arrested for repeatedly contacting an attorney and his staff with violent threats. Have you read any of the threats? Obscenity laden, anti-Semetic, and violent, including sexual violence.

    Palin is NOT a plaintiff - that would be civil court. This is criminal court, and the attorney and his staff are the victims, not the plaintiffs, of crimes against the state. The Feds brought the action probably because of interstate activity (via phone lines, internet, mail, etc.).

    And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming....

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  84. Anonymous10:31 PM

    Gryph - "This is just the first time all of you were given a ringside seat."

    Well, it was inappropriate material for his public blog. TOTALLY uncalled for!!!

    As of today, I've unliked him on FB, removed his blog from my favorites and cancelled my pre-order for 2 of his book.

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  85. GBIllinois6:02 AM

    The fun's gone out of this place the past few days. The people pissed at Joe M. dragging their anger over here need to get past their sophmoric attitudes and hurt feelings and lighten up a little. Maybe Joe IS an arogant ass, maybe he DID play your for a chump. SO WHAT? Take your complaints to his blog and let those of us who enjoy Gryphen's insights and humor do that without the crap that has overtaken Joe's comment section.

    Oh, and why do you hide behind the anonymous tag? At ther very least, if you're going to come here spewing own up to it.

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  86. First of all I do not condone violence or violent harrassment of anyone. However from what I have read on the Christys and the Palins I think there is more going on here than we as the public will ever know. The facts as they seem to me are: Willow started messing with Shawn Christy via text messaging and Sarah also got in on it. Shawn took it to heart and pursued back and therefore Sarah and Willows "innocent funny joke" turned into something more serious. I read the words carefully in that affadcait, and they are truly angry. However I founf them to be in the same tone of an irrate parent who is defending their child at the end of their rope. Feeling this angry and fustrated doesn't make it right or justified. Doesn't anyone wonder what the heck happened to make a father so angry? I suspect deeply that in someway either the Palins or their lawyers egged it on. The Christys should never have reacted like that but since it was the FBI who actually made the arrest and not state police and since the fbi got involved based off the palin lawyer once again placing calls, and now there is the sworn affadavit if an Anchorage FBI agent....well those are all red flags for me that we are not getting a well rounded version of events. Also doesn;t that particular FBI agent go to a well known salon in Wasilla????

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  87. Anonymous7:09 AM

    Since when do the FBI go and arrest people for stalking or harrassment charges? Isn't that usally what the police do?

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  88. One more thing Gryphen, these type of emails are similar in nature to the kind of emails I myself recieved when I first came out about Todd Palin. Do I feel threatened? A little but did I call the FBI? No. Did I tell people they could go do yo uknow what with themselves? YEs. Did I let my local police know and the Alaska police know? yes. Even my lawyer shave copies of all the threats but the FBI never arrested anyone for me...

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  89. I see the 'bots have been here at this topic: 10:13 AM, 10:17 AM and 3:55 PM. Certain words and phrases...dead giveaway.

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    The person who "friended" Shawn Christy on Facebook: why didn't you just promptly "unfriend" him when the messages became incessant and inane? Unless you were just stringing the poor demented kid along?

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    To address the question about why the Palins haven't been arrested: I have a feeling this affair may be the Palins' ultimate denouement.

    Despite the plaintiff being the Palins' ATTORNEY, I'm assuming the FBI will investigate EVERYTHING about the phone records and Facebook comments using what means they have at their disposal.

    I doubt the Palins have been so clever as to completely hide their tracks that led up to this present situation via hacking/routing, shell ISPs, whatever -- although I wouldn't put it past them to know someone who has the expertise, and to use them.

    If Willow really is complicit, how lame and stupid was it to simply use an alias? That can easily be proven one way or another.

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  90. Anonymous7:51 AM

    re: Joe blog and digs at IM,
    I have often thought he is a prick to his commenters and have seen a lot of disagreement with various people who have a point of view that is different from his, so I rarely comment over there because the pissing matches were so frequent I didn't want to get into a smack-down. His place, so I suppose it's whatever he wants to do.
    I do think, however, that G was over the top in the connection between Menard's drunken hotel spree and Track's alleged past and thought that comment was pretty distasteful. I started to type a comment but decided not to, though I know it wouldn't have started a big argument with Gryphen. Same rule, though, his place, his thoughts. I am free to peruse elsewhere.

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  91. Anonymous8:02 AM

    @ 3:55 pm, OK, I'll play:
    "Nancy Pelosi had a possible sexting relationship with a mentally unstable man living in another state and allegedly she or her associates/security detail encourage him to make death threats--more than 40 of them--at the president and they did not report these actions to Secret Service. The boy and his father continue to get more outlandish and the family has financial issues and several screws loose and Pelosi and her associates, attorney and security detail get orders of protection against the kid. He and his father become even more outrageous and threaten Pelosi's attorney explicitly and supposedly send a letter to Pelosi's daughter threatening to rape her, however the letter has disappeared. Pelosi's attorney correctly gets the FBI involved to protect himself from the youth and his father. Pelosi and her attorney really don't deserve to be threatened and I hope they and their families are safe from the hornets' nest she quite possibly stirred up."

    Oh, and Grandma Sarah is never gonna win the Presidency.

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  92. Anonymous9:26 AM

    There's nothing in the story about him sexting Pillow or Sarah or Sarah getting any messages from him, just that he and his family thought that he was sexting them. Could it be that somebody in Alaska decided to prank some other random person in the country and it just happened to be this nutball? I don't know. Pranking people is not illegal.

    And this whole how did he get Palin's phone no. question, I don't get how it even comes into play. But to threaten her attorney, other lawyers at his firm, his family members, etc. goes beyond the pale. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

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  93. Anonymous9:55 AM

    Great story 8:02. ;-) Bet, there would be a HUGH uproar from the Evangelical RW bat-shit crazies of Nancy had done something like that. And, Shay, yes I agree w/your posts.

    As for Joe's blog, the personal comments directed at Gryph and some posters were out of line & unprofessional. There's a "you don't have to like me and in fact I might try to make sure you don't" - like the writer is trying too hard at something. W-T-H is the point, Joe.

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  94. Shawn's MOM10:52 AM

    Hey Gryphen,
    I just finally had a chance to read the story you wrote. I was going to message you on FB but as you know our SSSC site was taken down and I didn't know your e-mail.
    I can certainly understand why you feel the way you do about what has happened. Yes, they did say what was quoted in your article. But I wanted to explain a little of why they did what they did.
    As you all well know, we have been going through this with SP for over 2 1/2 years now. If back in 2009 when we went to her attorney, her pastor, her sister and everyone else that we went to, and she would have come out and spoken to us, maybe we could have straightened this all out. But Sarah couldn't bring herself to do it.
    Next, I would like to tell you that for the past several days I have been going through thousands of pages of documents and notes to send to the attorney when they reach AK. What I have found (and already knew) has been 2 years of being dicked around by the court, her attorneys and law enforcement. And yes, I do have everything on paper to support everything I say. They have done everything in their power to not have us appear at court hearings, not sending us evidence, etc. We hear about evidence and court changes from newspaper reporters before we hear from the court. And when we do receive info from the court it's 2 days past the hearing date.
    We have been receiving calls from her sister, her daughter and drunk agents in the middle of the night! Her sister and daughter are on the RO's which means if they contact us, they should be held in contempt of court. We tell the authorities and guess what, nothing happens.
    I could go on and on about the jerking around we have been receiving but at the moment I cannot because of the court case coming up. But I am hoping that you can see why we are so frustrated and why they did what they did. I admit that what was said went over the line (I don't want to be accused of sticking up for them)but I can say they had their reasons.
    As far as Shawn goes, yeah, he could probably use some help. He has gone through more in the last few years than anyone should ever have to go through. Isn't it understandable that anyone should have help after something like that?
    And remember, when this all happened, he turned himself in to the Capitol Police and told them everything he did. He just wanted an end to this. He wanted some closure but unfortunatly he did not get it.
    If you have any questions, give me a call. (Hopefully you still have my #).
    Karen (Shawn's MOM)

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  95. Anonymous4:50 PM

    I think if you knew the Palins and that particular lawyer, you would change your mind at the type of words spoken by Craig Christy. I know I am late to the party but the Christy's were used to detract from the Shailey Tripp problem. I know for a fact that Craig Christy was extremely provoked and set up to look like a crazy person. Tiemessen has that down to an art. On the up side the Christy's lawyer should strongly push for all the phone records and texts from the entire Palin family. It would be crucial evidence in their defense to show there was a texting sexual content exchange back and forth. It would also show other important info that would show the Christy's were set up. Doesn't anyone wonder why the FBI did the arresting? The secret and most critical aspect of this is those phone records. Do not lose focus on that.
    Shawn's MOM you should have your lawyers get in touch with Shailey Tripp to be a witness of how scary and intimidating the Palins can be that may lead to the behavior of your husband and son.

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  96. Anonymous4:54 PM

    This is just coming to my attention. Shawn's MOM, you must have your attorney get a copy of all Palin family member phone records, and texting records to date. It is the single most important thing to your family's defense. Also you should think of having all the people SP went after as testimony to how the Palins vindictively go after people and set them up.

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