Tuesday, October 04, 2011

More confounding details surrounding the birth of Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston. Update!

Sherry Johnston with grandson Tripp at Mat-Su Regional on December 28, 2008
So as you can see Sherry sent me the only picture she has of Tripp at the hospital on the day she was finally allowed to see her grandson, December 28. And yes, as far as Sherry is concerned he was indeed born on December 27, 2008.

Sherry tells me that she had asked earlier in the pregnancy if she and Mercede could come to the hospital when Bristol went into labor, but was told no.  She then asked if they could at least stay in the waiting room, but were again told no. The reason given was because the Palins were afraid having them there would alert the media that Bristol was about to give birth, resulting in a media circus.

If that just gave you a WTF moment, you are not alone.

I also have a great deal of difficulty understanding WHY publicity seeking Sarah would suddenly turn media shy when the impending birth of this baby was the ONLY thing that kept the media at bay concerning babygate.  As it turned out Tripp would not be seen by anybody outside of the family until February 18, when Greta Van Susteren would conduct her television interview with the new mother.

Sherry is also confused as to why in Levi's book he identifies mid January as Bristol's due date. According to Sherry both Levi and Bristol told her it was supposed to take place around December 18. (By the way that is the same date that Levi reported to the AP back in October.)

Which makes this whole episode of Levi agreeing to go on a snowmachine trip eight days past when his child was due to enter the world even MORE difficult to understand.

Why in the hell would he agree to go?

Why would Bristol LET him go?

Why would Sarah send two able bodied men away with the possibility of an impending emergency on her hands? (Okay THAT one, I might actually understand.)

And by the way WHY did Todd send Levi back to Wasilla alone, while he stayed in the cabin with Willow and Piper? Wasn't HE worried about his daughter? Didn't the girls want to be there to see their nephew?

I think we can say with near certainty that somebody is definitely covering something up here.

Do you want to hear something else weird about all of this?

If the birth HAD taken place on December 18, it would have happened on the same day that another huge event happened in the life of the Johnston family:

A 42-year-old Wasilla woman was arrested Thursday at her home by Alaska State Troopers with a search warrant in an undercover drug investigation. Sherry L. Johnston was charged with six felony counts of misconduct involving a controlled substance. 

Look I will try NOT to be too conspiratorial here, and I have locked my tinfoil hat in the closet to fight the urge to put it on, but  isn't this just a little too convenient?  Up until this date Sherry could have come and gone when she pleased, but with this arrest she was confined to her home under house arrest pending trial.

Now with her conveniently out of the way, the birth takes place nine days later.

I really wish I could tell you that soon everything will make more sense, but sadly the more you learn, the more complicated all of this will become. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Update: At this point we have to decide just when Levi was not telling the truth.

Before Tripp was born Levi said he was due in December, now in his book he claims that on December 26, Tripp's birthdate was still three weeks in the future. So was he lying earlier, and following the Palin family script?  Or is he lying now?  And if he is lying now, why?

Let's examine a couple of interesting data points.

Sarah announces to the world that she is seven months pregnant on March 5, 2008. Coincidentally this is the day after the man who will select her as his running mate wins the GOP nomination.

Sarah flies to Texas to give a speech. Coincidentally THAT is when her water breaks and she flies back to Wasilla to have her Down syndrome baby.

On the campaign trail journalists raise questions about who actually gave birth to her son Trig. Coincidentally Bristol turns out to be five months pregnant, ending most public speculation.

It is announced that Bristol is due to give birth on December 18, but that does not occur. Coincidentally THAT is the day that Sherry Johnston is arrested. (In another bizarre coincidence the snitch working for the FBI who sets Sherry up first contacts her using a phone that Sherry originally bought for Bristol, and that was returned by Bristol later.)

Internet water cooler talk starts to speculate that Bristol is not really pregnant and points out that if she does not give birth soon it will make the idea that she is Trig's birth mother seem plausible again.

(Levi's version.) The day after Christmas Todd asks Levi to go up to the cabin with he and Willow and Piper. Bristol encourages him to go, because the baby is not due for three more weeks(?). Coincidentally less than 24 hours later Levi receives a phone call saying that Bristol is in active labor.

Levi rushes to Mat-Su Regional where he makes it in time to see the birth of his son. Coincidentally nine days after Tripp's arrival Bristol decides she has had enough of Levi and kicks him to the curb. Apparently his services were no longer required.

You know, I have to say, that for a woman who claims that she does not believe in coincidence, her life is one long string of them. Or is it?

226 comments:

  1. Two For Tuesday4:58 AM

    That pic of Sherry with a baby is one of the first pics of "Tripp" I have seen where his unique facial features aren't as obvious as in other photos. This combined with the fact they weren't allowed in the _waiting room_ (they couldn't have used the back door to enter, as the Palins did when they left with Trig?) makes me think a stand in definitely could have been used.

    Bristol has always claimed a lot of her friends were with her in the delivery room. Why have none of these friends, friends close enough for Bristol to have by her side as she sweated, grunted, pushed, and poo'd out a human being (sorry guys, but that's how it goes) ever been mentioned by name anywhere? I have seen Bristol on camera twice saying she had "lots" of friends in there as she delivered (one time) and "several of" her closest friends on either side of her as she labored and birthed (the other time).

    And I have always felt 2 things needed much more scrutiny, SP saying she had only "met Levi twice" prior to B & L telling S & T about the pregnancy (someone she only met 2x is next to her in a hospital bed, holding her fragile, premature, DS, heart problem baby????) and the other thing is, WAS Levi at the birth (Tripp's) or not? If he was on the slope when he claimed, he would have had to pull a Harry Potter and 'apparate' to matsu because available flights would have not made it possible for him to get back to Palmer in time. Plus we have Bristol and SP on the record/in print telling us he was not there after telling us how he was too squirmish (or 'skirmish' as SP would say LOL) to cut the cord.

    In the end we have _multiple_ photos of Levi in the hospital with Trig, his on/off girlfriend's mother's baby.

    And _zero_ photos of Levi in the hospital with Tripp, his alleged firstborn child.

    WTF indeed.

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  2. Anonymous5:03 AM

    I want to like the Johnstons, I do. But my stomach roiled when a 42 year old woman was thrilled and delighted her yet-to-graduate and become a legal adult was expecting. I know it's normal in the Valley to aspire to teenage pregnancy, but it still depressed me. Her kids have a lot of time to make babies, why was it important now?

    Anyway, your analysis of Levi's book only makes things curiouser and couriser, if not outright bullshit.

    Media whore family says what? Everything, but not a peep about Bristol's birth or Track's quickie wedding and then another new Palin grandchild months later.

    Breeders, but raisers? I don't know.

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  3. Anonymous5:05 AM

    There's something rotten in the state of Alaska. Keep going Gryphen!

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  4. Anonymous5:06 AM

    Off topic, but Miss "I'm Not For Sale!" gets over $100K for her tea party speeches: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/palin-speaking-fee-disclosed

    Sarah Palin = Tea Party Welfare Queen

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  5. I think it's "Mitchell". You forgot the "t".

    Kinda looks like he was really born that day, then, hey?

    If she was arrested on Dec 18th, how'd she get permission to go see him on the 28th?

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  6. Martha again5:16 AM

    I'm missing something here. (Who isn't?) If Sherry was under house arrest as of December 18, how did she get to go to the hospital on the28th? Well, probably she got special permission. ???

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  7. Anonymous5:17 AM

    Gryphen: Years ago the wife of a great friend of mine went in to labor with her first baby and her husband would keep our friends updated by phoning from the hospital. We were all sitting around having drinks at the time.. as if that would help with the baby's arrival!!

    One of the friends who was with us receiving the calls was/is a physician.

    At first he would say, well this stage will take quite some time etc, etc, ... but, he kept being wrong on his timing forecasts.

    It didn't take so very long before any mention of timing of the stages of the birth just faded away from his conversation... and later we were all delighted to hear that the baby was born and everyone was OK.

    What he realized, but didn't tell us, was that for the labor to proceed that quickly [relatively].. that it couldn't have been her first birth.

    And indeed, later it transpired that when this lovely girl was younger, she had a baby which she had given up for adoption.

    It was much later that the couple told us about the first baby, and since then have always thought how well this Dr handled the situation of patient privacy.

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  8. Anonymous5:23 AM

    Gryphen - can you do a rundown of all the ethics complaints that were brought against Palin? I keep hearing the word "frivolous" attached to these, not sure how many are and aren't, but without a list they all get dumped together. Part of her theme is that of a "reforming" governor. Part of "reforming" includes increasing transparency, thus opening yourself up to more ethics complaints.

    I think this story got a free pass from the media, but one which should really galvanize her as a quitter.

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  9. Anonymous5:30 AM

    The only thing that springs to my mind is that Tripp must have been born earlier. But if that was the case, I'm sure Levi would never have gone on the trip with Todd leaving a newborn behind, that is if he knew about it.

    I can't figure it out. If Tripp was indeed born a little earlier then that would not harm the Palin narrative. Was Bristol ever pregnant with Tripp? Where the hell did he come from? He is the spitting image of creepy Chuckie.

    Don't forget that photo of Bristol with her mother and sisters all dressed in the blue hoodies. That was taken in August. She did not look pregnant at all. Then two months later she appears in Walmart with Sarah looking HUGE. When Audrey questioned all this, she started getting threats and had to stop blogging.

    I have serious doubts as to whether Bristol was ever pregnant with Tripp.

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  10. Wow. Holy shit.

    Is nothing straightforward with the Palins?!

    And WTF IS LEVI COVERING UP?!

    Every day for 3 fricking years whenever the Palins did something outrageous I always thought that they wouldn't be able to do anything else as crazy again. Yet, here we are. They've done something SOMETHING weird, low down, crazy almost on a daily basis for all this time.

    Again, I say W.T.F?!

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  11. Anonymous5:36 AM

    Ok, just had a look at the pic. I enlarged it for a better gander. That baby with Sherry has quite a chin. I don't think that is the Tripp we have all come to know. Tripp has a very recessive chin.

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  12. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”' Sir Walter Scott

    Often complex situations are constructed to conceal a simple situation.

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  13. Anonymous5:48 AM

    NO Molly, it does NOT look that way, it was presented that way, all you faking grifters. besides, why use your real name, didn't juicy send you the memo?
    Perhaps photos of Scary's sisters need to be reviewed too, anyone ever consider that Bristol got sent to Anchorage to help Aunt Molly or Heather or jing a ling or what ever the names are, to 'mother that duck'. That one of them and TODD produced, (since sarah was putting out) however I still think bristol popped out paycheck #1.
    JFC I had a headache, we need a giant flow chart, like we used in the barn to keep track of which cow was ready to pop out a new calf.

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  14. Anonymous5:48 AM

    5:23
    Here is a list of 22 complaints:
    http://threebrain.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-21-ethics-complaints-not-18-but.html

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  15. Anonymous5:56 AM

    I swear, is there nothing about the Palin family that is real and honest? No wonder they can't keep their lies straight! Even the birth of a grandchild is shrouded in mystery and lies.

    I love the remark that they are "breeders not raisers". They surely seem to do the first often.

    I still find it extremely odd that she chose to name her son the name of her father's whore. That's just weird.

    I think the Johnston family got way over their heads when they got involved with the Palin family. Normal people can't perceive such dishonesty and meanness.

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  16. GOOD LORD!

    I feel like we all need to make flow charts to follow this mess. And this is something as simple as the birth of a child.

    What in the hell would she do if she were in the White House making actual policies?

    Senator McCain, you should spend the remainder of your life in prison for treason.

    He knew damn well that she was mentally ill and not prepared to lead this country, but he put his ego and greed above the good of the nation.

    Shame on you and your entire team...one blog post regarding ANY one of these so called birthing experiences would have surely been alarming enough to make you all want to start "ringing those bells and warning the British".

    Oh, and yesterday I asked my daughter who has a one year old if she kept her clear blue easy test strip. ,(you should've seen the look on her face! HA!)...She said a resounding "NO"..."Mom, I urinated on it...gross"

    She said she took a picture of it,(and sent to me as I was on vacation out of the country on the day), and then it sat on the bathroom sink for the morning so she could return to it and validate the results.

    But, interestingly enough, after a few hours the color changed and by lunchtime she said it was impossible to tell what the actual results were.

    Hard to believe that those Palin women could both have entirely different experiences with the product.

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  17. Nancy In New York6:03 AM

    "Kinda looks like he was really born that day, then, hey?"

    No Molly it doesn't. Kinda looks like the Palins lie about everything, big and small.

    Here is your big girl term of the day: Pathological liars. I wouldn't trust any of them to to tell me the correct time if they were standing in front of Big Ben with Bulova Precisionists strapped to their wrists.

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  18. Gryphen: I thought Bush and Cheney were the luckiest criminals ever to existed, but I see Sara takes the cake. She became the side show that took Bush of the radar, and began bashing, Senator Obama, putting him always on the defensive, and continues to do so, now that he is president. It is truly incredible how she has been sheltered by the establishment, even to the point that Rice, who could have destroyed her back in 2008, did not come forth. How many more like him are out there? I must admit though, your perspicasity is admirable. Your acute mental vision and discernment ability is very much appreciated. I respect you for such, and thank you for your continue effort to resolve this social travesty.

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  19. Anonymous6:05 AM

    I really wish I could tell you that soon everything will make more sense, but sadly the more you learn, the more complicated all of this will become. Don't say I didn't warn you.


    blah, blah, blah


    2011 calling, will you take the call?

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  20. Martha again said...
    "I'm missing something here. (Who isn't?) If Sherry was under house arrest as of December 18, how did she get to go to the hospital on the28Th? Well, probably she got special permission. ???

    The house arrest was a part of her sentence which came later. On December 28Th she was out on bail pending her case. She would not have needed permission.

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  21. Anonymous6:08 AM

    Well, that does look like a newborn. Whether it is Tripp or not is debatable. Given the number of Wasilla teens who get knocked up, did any of Bristol's friends have a baby in December 08?

    Did Sherry see Bristol in her bed looking exhausted? Or was the baby given to her in another room? Can you ask her, Gryphen? Ditto Sadie. DId she Bristol that day, or just a baby?

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  22. Hi Sarah, Welcome Back!

    Quick Question, Where's Trigs Birth Certificate?

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  23. Anonymous6:10 AM

    Ok, I want to point out that not every woman sweats, grunts and shits in the delivery room. Especially not if she has had an epidural. It's pointless to make such sweeping generalizations that really have nothing to do with babygate or the WTF nature of the inconsistencies of the stories of Tripp's due date and birth.

    As for these latest revelations from Gryphen, I'm confused but what's new? Everything with these people is more of the same: lies and obfuscations. That is the beauty of babygate (from Sarah Palin's perspective): It is so incredibly bizarre and unthinkable that a woman - a sitting governor, no less! - would FAKE a pregnancy. So most people take her story at face value or don't even KNOW the story. I'd bet that 80% of the American public have not seen the various shapeshifting photos nor heard the Wild Ride story. Speaking of which, what's going on with Fred's book/website???

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  24. Anonymous6:21 AM

    Hardwood floors in a hospital? Really?

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  25. Questions that I have as to what really happened with Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp and whether it really happened, or if it happened in a different time frame: after announcing she was pregnant before the world on the RNC stage, stating that the family would be very supportive, she and Levi were getting married: we don't see Bristol again on the campaign and if she was at 5 months, traveling would not have been a hardship. (Was it during this time we were told she went home to work 2 jobs and get ready for the baby?) We did see glimpses of her getting off a campaign bus (heavy sweatshirt that could make Twiggy look pregnant) and a brief glance of her behind the stages (in October?) of SNL the night her mother goes on. Then there is the photo of her walking into the church that had the fire the Sunday after again wearing a heavy jacket with her hands in the pockets pushing it out and scurrying across icy pathways into the church. Then we hear about the birth of the baby ONLY through an aunt who lives in another state??! We don't see the baby or any pictures of him until the interview with Greta. Bristol remains seated during the whole interview, looks stiff, and also looks very wary at Sarah when she butts into the conversation and hands her Tripp. Why was everything so secretive, so hidden?

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  26. BAustin6:31 AM

    14 minutes....30 seconds.....

    Go away Sarah and take your crazyass soap opera family with you.

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  27. Anonymous6:32 AM

    Yeah, what nobody seems to mention is that pregnancy tests do not retain their yes/no result for very long. The color fades completely. This is true across all brands. So the myth of keeping the pregnancy stick and being able to read its results is just that, a myth. Although as some here have mentioned, some women do keep them for sentimental reasons since if they want a baby it's the first verification they get that they are, indeed, pregnant. But the result of the test would not be obvious from looking at it even a few hours later.

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  28. Celia said:

    "The house arrest was a part of her sentence which came later. On December 28Th she was out on bail pending her case. She would not have needed permission."

    I will check into the particulars, but the version that I have been told is that Sherry was unable to accompany Sadie to the hospital on Dec. 27 because she had to get permission to leave her house first.

    It might have been an extra precaution to prevent her from selling anymore Oxycontin, even though she had only sold it twice, but I'm not sure.

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  29. Martha again6:44 AM

    RE the different chin: When babies are first born, their skulls are often squished into temporary shapes. When we first saw my son, his earlobes hung down below his chin. I thought, "Oh, well, so what?" which lets you know how joyful I was that neither of us had died in childbirth. Then I got an extra dose of joy a few hours later when his ears backed up to where they belonged.

    Thanks to Celia for the bail info.

    It is totally tin-hatty that Sherry was arrested on her grandchild's due date.

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  30. Anonymous6:44 AM

    The plot thickens. What we have here is a real-life Agathy Christie mystery, complete with plot twists and new characters. Who needs staged reality TV when we have this live, on-going saga? Even better, it's interactive so we get to participate by keeping track of the clues and trying to piece them together.

    Stay tuned for more "As the Valley Churns". Will Sarah need to invest in more hair extensions and filler?

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  31. Anonymous6:48 AM

    What I find so sad is that instead of two families coming together to give a child as much love as possible, have chosen instead to break that child's heart as he gets older.

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  32. Anonymous6:50 AM

    Forgot to ask----

    does Tawd's sister ever to get the little ones? She isn't exactly MENSA material either.

    Are his mom and dad still alive?

    Why do we never hear from them?

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  33. Anonymous6:55 AM

    OK this is way out there. But what if the reason Todd brought kids and Levi out of town for a winter weekend is because the they and Bristol thought a "real" father might show up. Maybe another boyfriend of hers thought he was the dad and they were afraid he and his family would show up at the hospital.

    When they were assured the real father didn't, they then called Levi, thinking they were clear.

    If all the rumors were true about Bristol, imagine the embarrassing spectacle of 2 or 3 different families all arriving at once at the hospital to see the baby. Like something out of the movies.

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  34. Anonymous6:57 AM

    Wow is all I can say based on this commentary. Weird, weird! Obviously some kind of coverup that is for sure!!! But, that seems to be what the Palin family is all about.

    When is the book coming out about babygate?

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  35. Anonymous6:57 AM

    I believe Bristol had Tripp, no doubt there. I believe he was induced to come early. 3 weeks is a safe induction. Although not wise.
    I do believe Tripp was due in January like Levi said.
    I believe Sarah was involved in Sherry's arrest, not to keep her at arms length cause Sarah and Bristol had the power to do that already, but to discredit the Johnston family, so anything they would say would look like it came from the mouths of liars.
    Which has been proven to be quite the opposite.
    Its easy to try to filter in all these extra stories like two babies or a substitute baby. I don't find that plausible.

    Im telling you truth searchers... find out how Trig's birth was paid for. If it was Sarah's insurance, then we have insurance fraud if Trig isn't hers. If it was thru the Native program, then we have a talking point that Sarah uses free health care but opposes it for everyone else (which we kind of already know is true)
    Hitting the Palins with the baby theory isn't enough. You have to think outside the box.
    I have said it here many times, only no one is listening. I am giving you a lead...
    Now go find it.

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  36. Anonymous6:57 AM

    5:03AM-- when you see a new baby, regardless of the circumstances, be happy. Don't dwell on the negative because the little one has plenty of time for negativity and second thoughts.

    Jesse-- what you are saying makes more sense than of Levi being the actual father and Bristol being the actual mother. (You didn't SAY they aren't the parents, but am I wrong to surmise?) Levi's crappy lawyer team, how he's been shafted and not fought... This makes way more sense, that there is something fishy about this mess.

    I always thought that Alaska's Governess in Title Only would have broadcast her own birth from the initial urine stick moment to the delivery of the afterbirth because she is such an attention seeker. Now that you mention her suddenly being camera shy and Todd, Levi and crew going out past Bristles' due date-- that us freakishly strange.

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  37. Anonymous7:03 AM

    Did Sadie go to the hospital on the 27th (Gryphen's comment above)? I thought they both didn't see Tripp until the 28th.

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  38. Anonymous7:05 AM

    I can understand not wanting to draw out the media. Bristol was ADAMANT they be kept away and understandably so.

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  39. rmclement20017:07 AM

    Sarah Palin is playing by the rules of some ancient monarch: produce a baby, hide a baby, kill a baby (I'm not saying she did this but it was certainly done when the proper heir meant everything.) Her grandiose self-image truly is jaw-dropping. She thinks if someone sees a tiny creature wrapped in a blanket they'll just coo & sigh & not ask any questions. Tripp's birth was vital to proving Trig's birth & parentage, so it's not surprising that it's a mystery as well. Whatever happened in 2007/2008 must have had pretty dire ramifications in SP's world for her to keep up the charade for so long.

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  40. Anonymous7:09 AM

    6:21- I thought the same thing when I saw the picture. How do you sanitize hard wood floors in a hospital?

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  41. Anonymous7:09 AM

    I will comment that Tripp is kind of small:

    1. For a boy baby
    2. For a supposedly overdue baby

    Ok so 1 is being judgmental and comparative. But still, how many boy babies have you seen that are NOT robust looking with big heads? lol I have seen none and I've seen a lot of newborns.

    I seriously doubt Tripp was due in January. That puts conception in April and there's NO WAY Bristol would know she was pregnant by May 1 or 2. She WAS telling her friends she was pregnant in April as well.

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  42. Anonymous7:12 AM

    For what it's WORTH, Bristol's telling of the snowmachine and cabin excursion on Dec 26 was for Todd and Levi to start their bonding for what SEEMED to be a lasting relationship. She doesn't mention Piper or Willow and emphasizes bonding.

    HMMMM

    A father who has always thought this teen boy was a punk and loser, commenting earlier that year that Bristol "doesn't have to fall for the first guy..." and a teen boy who probably knew his son could be born at ANY moment.

    Intriguing none the less.

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  43. Anonymous7:14 AM

    "I also have a great deal of difficulty understanding WHY publicity seeking Sarah would suddenly turn media shy when the impending birth of this baby was the ONLY thing that kept the media at bay concerning babygate."

    You have a daughter. They get their way no matter what. Bristol's has never done anything in her life that wasn't on her own will.

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  44. Anonymous7:14 AM

    "I also have a great deal of difficulty understanding WHY publicity seeking Sarah would suddenly turn media shy when the impending birth of this baby was the ONLY thing that kept the media at bay concerning babygate."

    You have a daughter. They get their way no matter what. Bristol's has never done anything in her life that wasn't on her own will.

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  45. Anonymous7:14 AM

    OK

    Now I'm sure I've been sniffing the airplane glue again but does anyone know who all these kids really belong to?

    There seem to be plenty of functional ovaries (although I'm still waiting for someone to come forward regarding Sara's tubal - talk about a miracle baby - of course some bot will write in she had a tubal and gave birth to five more children). And there seem to be lots and lots of photo's of babies.

    So what IF they borrowed another kid to show Levi's family, sent them away and let Brisket have her kid a month later.

    Who knows? These people are the reason the daytime soaps went away. More fun to watch the wasilla train wreck than a forty year old soap.

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  46. Anonymous7:16 AM

    "Why would Sarah send two able bodied men away with the possibility of an impending emergency on her hands? "

    I don't understand. How would either one of them help the situation by being there? All a pregnant woman ready to pop needs is one person to drive her to the hospital.

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  47. Anonymous7:17 AM

    It occurs to me that Levi's story in his book is to explain the sunstreaked hair photo of him holding Trig.

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  48. Anonymous7:18 AM

    If the story makes no sense, which it doesn't, then how will Fred's "The Wild Ride" have any real impact.
    Sarah is so conniving, so cunning and evil that she has pulled off this huge hoax. And I'm afraid the REAL truth will stay hidden.

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  49. Anonymous7:18 AM

    Would YOU argue if Todd Palin growled, "let's go snowmachine."

    Levi is a doormat. Anytime he's mentioned in interviews, he's described as being mute.

    See esquire. Sarah teaches him to cook a roast or something. He stares into the stove.

    Levi walks into the house in Dec (maybe Nov) when shit tons of family members are there and it's observed he is acknowledged and even referenced but he is described as staying silent.

    So of course he's going to go along with anything.

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  50. Anonymous7:19 AM

    Often new information clouds things as it brings the truth closer. Anyway, this is just a tangent from the real goal, which seems to be to prove that Sarah faked her pregnancy with Trig. This puzzle may be interesting but not essential.

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  51. Anonymous7:21 AM

    Help me out here.

    I agree that the circumstances of Tripp's birth are subject to question, and Gryphen adds a few intriguing inconsistencies to the account, but the appearance of Tripp on Dec 27 is more or less consistent with the "I got pregnant in March, didn't know about it until April, and told everyone in May" story Bristol has told.

    If the point is that the Palins substituted a baby for Tripp so that the Johnstons wouldn't know, and Bristol actually delivered later, wouldn't Levi know Bristol was still pregnant? And I suppose the larger point is that you're trying to open a window of time for Bristol to give birth to Trig, get pregnant again, and give birth to Tripp as an "Irish twin" to Trig.

    To me, there's a lot of suppositions in that chain of events although I agree that shenanigans with Tripp's birthdate would be necessary to make the "5 months pregnant" declaration on Sept 1 credible and thereby eliminate Bristol as a possibility for Trig's birth mother 4 months, officially, earlier.

    But the window is still very small, even if Bristol was only 3 months pregnant on Sept 1. The "5 months pregnant" declaration then was almost certainly added to kill speculation of the faked pregnancy on behalf of Bristol.

    Perhaps the Palins had to quietly get the Johnstons out of the way so Bristol could have the baby early without it being induced. And perhaps they enhanced her RNC appearance so she would appear more pregnant. And perhaps a birth of Tripp in January would reignite the controversy as people did the math and concluded: "Aha!! She wasn't 5 months pregnant!! She was only four months pregnant so she could be Trig's and Tripp's mother!!"

    Well, since many speculate that Trig was born much earlier than April 18 (and the Ruffles evidence potentially supports that speculation), it seems very risky to play games with Tripp's arrival to keep an otherwise narrowly open window closed. I don't see enough to gain from the deception.

    Although Gryphen has dragged this out for multiple posts, it's just a long story with no conclusion. I'd say to Gryphen to keep digging, or share something that answers some questions rather than raising new ones, as intriguing as the contradictions seem. To me, the waters just got muddier.

    What I'd like to know is whether Bristol and Levi had contact during the early months of 2008, was Bristol out-and-about during that time (pictures or not) or was she actually in hiding. If Bristol has an alibi for that time, we need to look elsewhere for Trig's birth mother.

    Who else could it be? Hmm. Let's look around at all the players (like a Law & Order episode) and see if we can figure it out.

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  52. Anonymous7:22 AM

    "And by the way WHY did Todd send Levi back to Wasilla alone, while he stayed in the cabin with Willow and Piper? Wasn't HE worried about his daughter? Didn't the girls want to be there to see their nephew?"

    I would imagine it was quicker for Levi to go alone. It also appears the rest arrived not too long after the birth but I have reference. This was at night. Piper was probably asleep. Dont you have to snowmachine to the cabin? Thats kind of dangerous for small kids to speed back to make a delivery. Esp when theyd see the baby soon anyway.

    I don't see relevance to this question.

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  53. GhostbusterTX7:24 AM

    Anonymous said...Hardwood floors in a hospital? Really?

    No, not really, it is fake wood. But a lot more "home-like" and welcoming, and thus pretty standard in modern hospital design, especially in areas like maternity suites, children's hospitals, hospice, etc. where the medical aspect of the environment is being downplayed.

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  54. Anonymous7:27 AM

    If the story makes no sense, which it doesn't, then how will Fred's "The Wild Ride" have any real impact.
    Sarah is so conniving, so cunning and evil that she has pulled off this huge hoax. And I'm afraid the REAL truth will stay hidden.

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  55. Anonymous7:28 AM

    Did they have a close family friend who had a due date of December 18 so that Bristol could 'use' this due date as her own? The arrest of Levi's mom on the due date seems really suspicious or too coincidental. As soon as the woman went into actual labor, Todd was ordered to take the kids and Levi to a remote place to hunt.

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  56. Heather7:29 AM

    When were the Palins in Juneau in Dec? When was that xmas meet and greet? Levi called Bristol to tell her about his mother's arrest? Was she alone in Wasilla?

    Bristol said her due date was Dec 14th and mentioned that's when Sherry's bday was as well.

    Weird.In that picture thought, Tripp looks like he was probably a term baby. given it's her first child, We don't know how Bristol's pregnancies or deliveries go or if her impending children are naturally small, average or large.

    My twins were born at 37 weeks, which is late for twins and my 3rd child was born at 39 weeks and weighed 9 lbs.

    Just by pictures, we can't determine if Tripp was premature or anything really. He doesn't appear frail nor does he appear fat.

    I wonder how her mother's birth record would affect Bristol?

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  57. Anonymous7:31 AM

    In all the newborn pics of Tripp, Ive never noticed any oddities. Bristol and Levi both have described the birth as tough.

    Btw, I still doubt Levi left the hospital for food. That was a weird story, kind of like his over dramatized birth story.

    Now, there IS a possibility she was induced for tax purposes.

    Who knows.

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  58. Anonymous7:32 AM

    Two for tuesday,

    Sadie also said, when she was complaining about only seeing Tripp for minutes, that Bristol's friends came and went.

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  59. Anonymous7:33 AM

    So many questions, so few answers. Wonder if this whole mess will ever be sorted out. It is bizarre beyond belief, and no wonder there are people who could not begin to believe this could ever occur in a "normal" world. But, evidently, the Palin World is far from normal.

    As long as Palin gets out there and toys with the idea of running for the presidency, then people have to be really concerned. While it looks like she thinks people in the USA are too dumb and busy to see what is going on, she thinks she can deceive them into believing that she has all the answers about how to solve the country's problems. While she thinks she can have power and control over our country, she can't seem to "get it" that the USA is not Wasilla, and she cannot exert the same power and control over Americans like she has apparently done over the little town of Wasilla.

    She tries to rule by fear and intimidation, and is a bully. Problem for Sarah is she doesn't realize that bullies are cowards, and are dumb, and eventually screw up big time. Her 15 minutes of fame is about up. She is truly her own worst enemy.

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  60. Anonymous7:35 AM

    The nice thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said the last time. The story is always the same.

    Our first real tip came when Sarah said in two different speeches that Trig was born at 7 1/2 months in Anchorage while the original story was 8 months at MatSu. A mother never forgets her kids' birthday information.

    Levi has had too many stories that just don't match, even in one book. Bristol wanted to get pregnant the minute that she heard that her mother was pregnant. Bristol wanted to get pregnant the minute that Trig was born. What teen aged boy, in his right mind, wants to get a girl pregnant, quit school, and work for 18 years to support a kid? Especially a kid who wrote exactly the opposite on his Facebook (My Space?) account?

    Next we have to add Bristol's birth control pills, which she had been taking for years. If a woman suddenly goes off the pills, she does not ovulate the next day. It takes a while for the body to start to cycle normally without the pills. There is a form of contraception that will result in conception if it isn't used once, the condom.

    The most important reason for Sarah's public announcement about Bristol's pregnancy was that it was supposed to prove that Sarah gave birth to Trig. It proves only that Bristol had unprotected sex. If Bristol had given birth to Trig at the end of December 2007, or in January or February of 2008, it would have possible for her to conceive again, a month to 6 weeks after giving birth. She would have added incentive if her mother claimed the child as her own.

    Nothing about the story ever made sense, from the moment that we heard the story of The Wild Ride. Levi's additions show that they are trying to hide something. If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.

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  61. Anonymous7:36 AM

    Are you sure that's not a picture of Trig? Like the previous poster said something about hardwood floors in a hospital, really?

    Also, that chair Johnston is sitting in and the other partial piece of furniture in the pic. Would hospitals have furniture like 'little home on the prairie'?

    Anyways, somebody sure has learned the art of drag the story out to maximize page hits, these past 3 years.

    So sad... ;-(

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  62. Anonymous7:36 AM

    I long for the day the scales will drop from the Pbots' eyes and they will see the Grifter for the fraud she is. On the C$P open thread today a commenter listed 3 reasons why "the Lefties" hate Palin:

    1 For not "murdering" her unborn child, Trig

    2 For exposing "Odumba" for the fraud he isin her RNC screed

    3 For being so gosh darn purdy. (Ok, I forgot the 3rd reason, but the comment ended by claiming us Lefties would have to go thru millions of "red-blooded Americans" before we could "harm one hair on our Sarah's head." Yes, they call her "our Sarah," she who would not deign to even speak to them at their sad little get-together at the Machine Tool Shed in Iowa.)

    So us "Lefties" better watch out!

    As for all this Tripp/Trig who-was-born-where stuff--it's certainly intriguing but very very diabolically confusing.

    I await the next installment.

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  63. Anonymous7:38 AM

    Could it be that there was a plan to induce Bristol as soon as it was safe to do so? It's a horrible thought. I think the Johnston's have too much to lose in this for their "facts" to be trusted. And of course the Palin's have so much to gain/lose. If the Johnston's at the hospital would attract the press, what would the Palin's presence do? And then the picture is supposed to be Sherry at the hospital after all. As far as I'm concerned, the picture could be any date. If there was a preterm inducement they wouldn't want anybody around ahead of the birth who might object to such a horrible risk for political gain.

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  64. Gryphen said:
    "I will check into the particulars, but the version that I have been told is that Sherry was unable to accompany Sadie to the hospital on Dec. 27 because she had to get permission to leave her house first."

    I don't have details, I am just going by news reports and my knowledge of how the judicial system works (or doesn't work). If what you write is true, it is a result of SP manipulating and there may have been a reason they wanted her out of the picture. She probably stayed home much of the time anyway due to health problems.

    From the ADN on December 18Th, 2008:
    “Sherry Johnston was arrested around noon and booked at Mat-Su Pretrial Facility, according to a booking officer there. She was released on a $5,000 unsecured bond just after 2 p.m. “
    http://www.adn.com/2008/12/18/628010/levi-johnstons-mother-hit-

    It makes no legal sense that she would have been on house detention, but of course she was set up and my own experiences show there is corruption at the DOL and in the courts.

    There are usually conditions of release, rules the defendant has to abide or they could be incarcerated, most of it is common sense. Remember she had to get permission to leave the state to be on TV, if they were so set on her being confined why would they let her go? The prosecutor would have to give permission to the judge for her to leave AK. If they had her under house arrest she would have had to be considered a danger to society or a flight risk, clearly she was neither. The only risk they could consider was a repeat of the original crime and that would have resulted in incarceration for violation of conditions of release. All people are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty, that is why defendants get bail. Perhaps she had a condition of release that she had to stay home at night and if I remember correctly Tripp was born very early in the morning. It will be interesting to find out what Sherry tells you about it.

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  65. Anonymous7:47 AM

    It's weird that Sadie for one bowed to their demands. At least park your ass in the hospital parking lot and wait. you'd think Sadie (or at least the person she fronts herself to be) would go to the hospital anyway.

    That is strange.

    But - it is understandable that Bristol wanted to avoid the media at all costs. And she's one not to be controlled.

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  66. Anonymous7:49 AM

    You say no non-family members saw Tripp before Greta. But there were interviews in the Palin home in January and her friends came to the hospital.

    It sounds like Britta's birth experience. There's an unspoken rule that no one divulge any personal pics or information due to nosy media.

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  67. Martha again7:55 AM

    Is there proof that pregnancy sticks lose their coloring, as Anon at 6:32 says? If so, that's another nail in the coffin. (As if there's room for another nail!)

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  68. Anonymous7:56 AM

    anon 5:17am: i haven't read all posts, so don't know if anyone else has responded...your story is a story. any ob/gyn will tell you everyone is different and babies come at different speeds. with my first child, at not quite 30, less than 2 hours delivered. my second child same thing. mind you these were both full term BIG babies. my mother however had marathon births that took days and days(her story and she's sticking to it) my grandmother almost had my dad in her pantyhose in the elevator. please don't make these sorts of blanket statements that just aren't accurate as it just detracts from the oddness surrounding the palins. thank you and have a nice day

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  69. @6:21
    No, not hardwood, it's laminate
    Not so unusual in birth suites, the marketing of which is competitive for high-margin maternity revenue, and which often feature "homey" decor

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  70. Tyroanee8:06 AM

    I'd be concerned as to why a hospital room has wood floors...seems to me we need to see a pic of the maternity ward, because this can't be a patients room.

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  71. Anonymous8:10 AM

    Te big questions are still....

    who is Trig's Mom?

    and

    Who is Trig's Dad?


    Wow! I have never , ever, in my whole life come across a child where the paternity and MATERNITY are both in question!
    The White Trash Palin's sure seem to have that corner marketed!

    As for Levi....well, it's much easier to remember the truth than a whole passel of lies.


    Little Rabbit

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  72. Anonymous8:10 AM

    Can someone check the floors at Mat-Su.

    I agree no hospital has wood floors.

    If these floors are not in hospital... the photo is more not what Sherry says it is.

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  73. Anonymous8:11 AM

    Questions that need answers:
    Where's Trig now?
    Why is Tripp named after Todd's prostitute Shailey Tripp?
    Where's Trig's bc? Even better where are the DNA test results that prove Sarah is the BIO mom?
    What happened to the ruffled ear baby? Is he safe?
    Why haven't we seen a picture of Sarah with Trig lately?
    Where is the sympathy belly now?

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  74. Anonymous8:13 AM

    Amen 6:48
    That's something I always couldn't wrap my head around. If Levi denied being the father, or dissed Bristol in any way, even then I could give both families a pass, but OBVIOUSLY Bristol was smitten with Levi enough to keep having sex with him, admitting to trying to "change him", a juvenile concept most teens have (some adults too). Apparently her moral code was lost way before the conception.

    This puts another chink in the armor of the hoax. Everytime something new comes out, it seems so absurd at first, that it seems unflippingbelievable, but as we've come to learn, with time comes clarity.

    I'm still digesting the new posts on levi's book and the revelations Gryphen has been revealing. I've learned not to dismiss anything when it comes to the drive Sarah had to paint herself as a sane, viable candidate- even at the expense of trashing her own flesh and blood to do it.

    That photo of Sherry bothers me for some reason. It doesn't look like a maturnity setting, it looks like the foyer or a break room. Hardwood floors don't stand up well to the rigors of heavy machinery, guerneys, and foot traffic. They're not the most sanitary unless meticulously maintained, and I doubt any hospital would choose them for that purpose.

    Keep Digging, and we'll keep digesting and trying to decode what's going on. The truth always comes out.

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  75. scarlet/oregon8:14 AM

    Are Trig and Tripp fraternal twins? Just saying in the Palin world who knows?

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  76. Anonymous8:15 AM

    anon at 5:17 said.....


    What he realized, but didn't tell us, was that for the labor to proceed that quickly [relatively].. that it couldn't have been her first birth.


    ------------------------------------
    Your Dr. friend is wrong again on this count....first births can be very fast.......I should know, I barely got to the hospital on time, as were all 4 of my sisters first children....

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  77. Anonymous8:17 AM

    Martha,

    yes. newborns heads are often "deformed."

    My brother's head was pointy and slightly lopsided looking. It's like malleable rubber.

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  78. Anonymous8:19 AM

    "sold it twice"

    I thought 3 times?
    Doesn't matter, just wondering.

    I think that Sadie may have been onto something when she said the cops wanted to get back at Sarah by causing boatloads of drama by arresting Sherry.

    THAT was the last thing Sarah needed.

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  79. Anonymous8:21 AM

    Well, Levi does say that he was at the birth and tried to cut the umbilical cord, right?

    So you're saying that Levi lied about that? That has to be your contention, since you are insinuating that Tripp wasn't really born when the Palins said he was.

    I don't think Levi was lying about the birth of Tripp.

    I also actually don't think he was lying about seeing Sarah in the hospital bed with Trig. I think it's quite possible that the Palins put on a show for him with that one.

    He just doesn't strike me as knowingly lying about Trig. He doesn't come off as lying, he comes off as naive.

    Plus, if we were to presume he was lying, that would mean the Palins have something on him. Doubtful, as any benefit he'd receive by blowing the lid off of this thing would far outweigh anything the Palin's could do.

    He'd be blowing off the lid on the biggest hoax in American history. After the fallout, Palin would be able to wield ZERO power.

    I just don't see Levi lying about all of this. I just think at this point it's trying to bend EVERYTHING that goes against our beliefs into what we want it to be.

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  80. Anonymous8:22 AM

    A while back I speculated that Trig may be the offspring of one of Sarah's sisters. The more I read about the peculiarities of the timing, etc., the more I believe this avenue should be explored. It might explain why Bristol went to live with her aunt. If it is the same sister that was in the process of getting a divorce it would make even more sense.

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  81. Anonymous8:22 AM

    Not to mention, I do think it's plausible that the Palins legitimately were concerned about Sherry or Mercedes selling stories/pics.

    Didn't someone mention that Palin got mad at her own parents for doing that?

    It's totally believable that she wants all of the $$$ for herself.

    If she already had exclusive deals in place, she wouldn't want to do anything to ruin them.

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  82. Anonymous8:24 AM

    to Daisydem,

    you said "we don't see Bristol again on the campaign"

    Yes we did.

    -Bristol was in walmart (video and pictures)
    -she was on the sidelines at a rally wearing a purpose vest and grey sweatshirt. Trig was wearing red
    -she was at the PA hockey game (pic in ABH)
    -she was in NY at SNL
    -she was at that meeting with Aaron Tippin and his family.
    -she was with her parents on election day in AK
    -she was in AZ in Nov 4 and 5

    To say Bristol avoided the spotlight is inaccurate. She didn't exactly look forced to attend.

    I'm just pointing out errors.

    Now, you are correct in that she seemed to avoid the spotlight post election. Though people like Mat Lauer mentioned she was there eating them all, she wasn't on camera. She also seemed to run from the cameras at the church.

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  83. Anonymous8:25 AM

    Anon 6:21

    hahahahahahahaha
    I noticed that. I wonder where that was specifically

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  84. Anonymous8:25 AM

    Btw, Tripp looks exactly like Sherry to me. So I don't think there's any credence to Tripp not being Levi's baby.

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  85. Anonymous8:28 AM

    If Tripp's original due date was Dec. 18th and since Sherry Johnston was arrested on Dec. 18th, it just points out the cruelty of Sarah Palin. Tinfoil-y hat or not, I firmly believe that Palin was in on setting up Sherry. Palin may be innocent of any involvement but her credibility is shot because she's such a devious, nasty woman. Why would anyone choose the expected birth date of someone's first grandchild - a happy day under any circumstances - to have that person arrested? Sarah Palin is a jealous, insecure person.

    If I lived in that town and one of my kids told me they were going to date or be friends with any of the Palin kids, I'd have my kid in therapy in a heartbeat. That may be why Palins have to "homeschool" - because their kids are outcasts all because of their psychotic mother.

    Speaking of home schooling...Levi said that in Alaska, there's no laws requiring kids to attend school a certain number of days or requirements about proving whether or not the kids are actually being home schooled. That would explain why Palin was able to keep her kids out of school while she drug them all over the country during and after the election. "They don't need no edjacashun - it never helped me none. That stuff doesn't matter no how". You betcha.

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  86. Anonymous8:29 AM

    Yes it is pointless to keep construing possible scenarios when no new info is being announced. I highly doubt Levi or Bristol will EVER eventhink about uttering any semblance of what really happened - if only to protect loved ones and their son.

    That is reason enough for me.

    Tripp doesn't need the stress this might bring him. His parents don't need the perpetual hounding of nosy bystanders.

    So, until one of them vocalizes something that has merit, I'd say let them live.

    And to answer your question in the update:

    There are hundreds of little examples where Levi changed his tune and story. Trying to decipher the truth is beyond pointless.

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  87. Why would Sherry Johnston have to have Mrs P's 'permission' to visit a public place to visit HER, also too, grandchild???

    Quitler must have realized her position as the 'boss of the world' could be challenged in this regard so she quickly had to resort to Plan B, have Mrs Johnston railroaded by the APD to ensure no inquiring minds and eyes could spoil her little psychodrama. Aaaarrgh, it never ends with this tyrant does it.

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  88. Anonymous8:31 AM

    Sadie said previously that when she walked in, she saw a tired Bristol in bed, and Todd, Piper and Willow sitting on the bench (think of that picture of them with Willow holding Tripp). Piper had Tripp this time.

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  89. Anonymous8:35 AM

    As a woman with 3 kids, I can say that in the second trimester, one's breasts and belly have a habit of just one day popping out so to speak. This is an overnight occurrence, esp with breasts.

    I don't find it weird that Bristol looked smallish at the fair (thought I really can't tell) and had a more prominent bump in Walmart and even the RNC.

    Think of the tarmac pic of her in the red shirt. Perfect profile and she's pretty rounded.

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  90. Anonymous8:37 AM

    "Often complex situations are constructed to conceal a simple situation."


    I imagine that situation is:

    Sarah sees how having a special needs child will give her political cred (and this came 5 mos after Heather wrote that touching email about the trials of being a special needs parent) so she looks into adopting one.

    She announced it the day after McCain won. She couldn't have told people about her plan before then and couldn't wait much longer after.

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  91. Anonymous8:38 AM

    I'm beginning to think Bristol didn't have Tripp, except that he looks like her and also like Chuckles.

    Or maybe she had him much earlier. I have wondered previously if he isn't much older than she says, and that's why she keeps the pacifier in his mouth, to keep the appearance of him being younger. He seems awfully big and more agile for his age, IMO.

    And maybe that does explain the "so now I have to be a mother duck to that baby!" comment she made.

    These people give me a headache. Love the comment about this being a real-live mystery though; it's true.

    And John McCain, may you rot in Hell for what you've done. I'd like him to see all of this research. I'm sure he tries to ignore it, but I'd love to have copies available for him every single day, pasted to his newspaper, attached to a menu at a restaurant, at his desk, everywhere he goes, so he can't run away.

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  92. Anonymous8:40 AM

    So Gryphen, what IS your point in all this?

    It's not helping to prove how only goal of exposing the faked pregnancy, not when Bristol had nothing to do with that.

    We're going up against some heavy hitters who will no doubt continue shooting trig truthers down.

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  93. Anonymous8:42 AM

    Wow Anon 5:48, simmer down.

    Don't be so immature and mean. Damn, this is why I avoid this blog's specific comment section. People are evil here.

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  94. Anonymous8:45 AM

    Nancy:

    here is your adult word for the day: patronizing

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  95. Anonymous8:46 AM

    Of course you're all confused. It isn't your life. I'd be confused to if I tried to analyse any of your lives by random pieces of info and hardly any factual info from your pasts or present.

    Jeez, don't be so dense.

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  96. Anonymous8:52 AM

    You say Bristol dumped Levi 9 days after Tripp was born which makes sense to me.

    That would be Jan 5th.

    All the Palins, save Bristol who arrived later, were in Juneau for the SOTS.

    There is a picture of Keith and Levi in their home with Tripp.

    Why was Levi complaining about feeling awkward in Bristol's house? It had to have just been her and her growing hatred of his presence no?

    I mean, she was there alone with baby. She didn't trust him. OR COURSE it was going to be uncomfortable for him.

    But to blame it on other people, that's weird to me.

    Well, not weird I guess since scapegoats are common.

    But it's all starting to all into place. I am starting to doubt Levi even more now.

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  97. Anonymous8:56 AM

    Anon @ 8:40, I don't know what YOUR point is in asking that.

    Gryphen is simply sharing more of what he knows or has been told. If that ends up begging more questions than answering them, take from that what you will.

    This whole notion that Gryphen knows all and has just been holding back is rather bizarre, if you ask me.

    Who cares about what anyone says about "Trig Truthers"? Could we be marginalized and/or dismissed any more than we already are? And why would that stop us, now? The main thing is that one inconsistent detail after another is trickling out, so that the only logical conclusion is: SOMEONE is lying.

    How that can be construed as in any other way than "helpful" to our cause is beyond me.

    Some people will hassle Gryphen no matter what he does. Interesting to think about why that might be.

    Doesn't matter, 'cause Gryphen will carry on regardless.

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  98. Anonymous8:59 AM

    7:22 am
    it doesn't matter how much light there was or wasn't as typically you've got better visibility at night up here anyhow on account if it's overcast during the day, what little daylight there is at that time of year, the light is very "flat" making it very hard to see.
    Besides that if the cabin being talked about is the tax free $afari lake cabin it's further north anyhow, up in the foothills of the Alaska Range with even less usable daylight than what there would be in wasilla.


    what it all boils down to is the fact that the viper nest of grifter/frauds that the palins are is crystal clear

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  99. Anonymous9:00 AM

    @ 8:24, you are correct about those sightings.

    Bristol DID avoid the spotlight, however, come Thanksgiving, through much of January, if I am not mistaken. Those 6-8 week windows of absence are a Palin specialty, with perfectly placed bookend appearances to confuse and distract from the lost time.

    The Palins are masters of illusion. It is the one thing they seem to do pretty well, at least so far.

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  100. Anon again, naturally9:02 AM

    I'd like to chime in on the pregnancy stick debate. I'm one of those weirdos who kept it. Not as gross as it sounds, and not at all uncommon - EPT now sells a test that comes with a little keepsake pouch, so obviously there's thousands, if not millions of women out there who fondly hold on to their pee-sticks!

    You gotta remember, there's nothing like pregnancy that can turn a normally no-nonsense, cynical grownup woman into a blithering heap of emotions and sentimentality! Its why we continue to reproduce even after we've witnessed the horrors of pregnancy, childbirth and parenting.

    A little note: after you pee on the stick, you RINSE IT OFF, with lots of water! The pregnancy hormone is trapped by antibody molecules within the stick, and everything else gets washed away, so essentially the urine is GONE!

    I'm a biologist by training, have spent most of my life working with various bodily fluids and solids, and I gotta tell you, urine is by far the cleanest, least yucky, biological material in existence - its completely sterile, and is basically nothing but water, salts, and some organic molecules that give it its color and smell. Anything else produced by living beings is far more likely to transmit icky diseases.

    And yes, the color fades quickly, although some tests retain color better than others. My 23 year old test stick still has a hint of its original blue color. Even if Willer found a completely white test stick during her investigations, I'm sure she'd still demand an explanation.

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  101. Anonymous9:10 AM

    Why would Sherry Johnston have to have Mrs P's 'permission' to visit a public place to visit HER, also too, grandchild???

    ----

    I've never gotten the impression Bristol was close to the Johnstons. It's common courtesy to ask someone if they can be at the hospital esp if 1. there's no closeness an 2. theres a lot of drama and dislike

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  102. Anonymous9:12 AM

    I firmly believe that Palin was in on setting up Sherry.

    -----

    But the last thing Sarah WANTS is excess tabloid drama. Everyone knows this. We've seen her rail against it in emails.

    I cannot see Sarah having anything to do with that for those reasons.

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  103. Anonymous9:13 AM

    great post up at Laura's blog

    http://www.lauranovakauthor.com/1/post/2011/10/the-origin-of-babygate-a-conversation-with-prof-brad-scharlott.html

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  104. Anonymous9:21 AM

    @ 7:55, check out this site. It's not necessarily scientific, but when I was trying for baby #1 I spent a lot of time here (this particular link discusses checking results within a certain time frame since the tests degrade):

    http://peeonastick.com/hpt/cautionary.html

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  105. Anonymous9:21 AM

    Fudging the dates of probable conception and thus delivery is a time-honored tradition that mostly works well enough. But it's not often used by the nonpregnant.

    Just like paternity testing, which is done here and there, but rarely in utero (like that too-early amnio must have been intended to do, to confirm the awful fact of an inappropriate bioDad).

    And rarely is there a need for maternity testing, but the Palins have developed new outer limits for all kinds of deception.

    Love the term "breeders, not raisers." In fact, that just about sums up the pro-choice vs anti-choice difference: pro-choice folks focus more on the raising; anti-choice focus less on raising and are obsessed with the breeding, esp other people's breeding. I mean in their actions, not in their words. And don't use the term "pro-life": we are all pro-life.

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  106. Anonymous9:21 AM

    "I just don't see Levi lying about all of this. I just think at this point it's trying to bend EVERYTHING that goes against our beliefs into what we want it to be."

    I think concerning Trig Levi is in the dark. Because he was dating Bristol when Trig was "born", he was used as a witness.

    But - there are way too many contradictions from Levi himself to chalk it ALL up to naivete. I mean, he once said he's seen Sarah cry a couple time. Now he says she's never cried.

    He changed the Bristol tattoo story.

    He changed his whole relationship story.

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  107. GhostbusterTX9:26 AM

    Baltimore-area hospitals compete for moms-to-be with hardwood floors, gourmet meals and other luxuries.
    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-09-22/entertainment/bs-sm-hs-baby-war-20110921_1_baltimore-area-hospitals-hospital-room-hospitals-offer

    Or just google "birthing center wood floors".

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  108. Anonymous9:28 AM

    For what it's WORTH, Bristol's telling of the snowmachine and cabin excursion on Dec 26 was for Todd and Levi to start their bonding for what SEEMED to be a lasting relationship. She doesn't mention Piper or Willow and emphasizes bonding.

    HMMMM

    A father who has always thought this teen boy was a punk and loser, commenting earlier that year that Bristol "doesn't have to fall for the first guy..." and a teen boy who probably knew his son could be born at ANY moment.

    Intriguing none the less.

    7:12 AM
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    Hi Bristroll. I see you trying real hard to make some kind of point here but you failed miserably yet again. Logic just isn't a Palin strength is it? ROFL

    PS- Go fuck yourself weirdo.

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  109. Anonymous9:29 AM

    You have a daughter. They get their way no matter what. Bristol's has never done anything in her life that wasn't on her own will.

    7:14 AM
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    So she willingly gave up her first born son "Trig" to Sarah? Then why was she so angry about it to the point that she tricked Levi into being a sperm donor? HMMMMMMMMM. That's weird.

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  110. Anonymous9:29 AM

    Have you considered this?

    Say Bristol's due date WAS Dec 18th.

    One week passes and no baby. Bristol spent Dec avoiding the media and the outside world. I would imagine that, instead of risking a randomly water breakage at ANY GIVEN TIME OF DAY, that she would have much more enjoyed knowing she could have the baby at night when no one is out and about in town to spy and see her.

    THAT makes sense, esp knowing she was adamant about keeping paps away from the hospital.

    The Levi/cabin story is weird but I dont think Bristol was thinking of dumping him while still pregnant or even just after. I CAN believe it was a bonding thing.

    I'm too intrigued with the breakup 9 DAYS later, when only Bristol was in Wasilla. Makes me think Bristol just saw the light and a glimpse of a future she didn't want. Babies complicate an already rocky relationship, they don't better it.

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  111. Anonymous9:30 AM

    Let's keep the focus on "SP was not pregnant." She hoaxed us. No point in trying to unravel all this. Let SP explain it. (That's meant as a joke.)

    The main thing for us is she hoaxed a nation. For political gain. Taking advantage of a disabled child. Enabled and supported by fat-cat VIPs. Unreported by the MSM.

    I care a lot less about when and how all these multiple babies were born or borrowed than I do about this monumental hoax that is about to be buried under the rug, so no need for the guilty to be caught.

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  112. Anonymous9:31 AM

    To Anonymous at 5:17 a.m.:

    I was born in 1961, my mother's first child, at age 33 no less. (I'm sure.)

    My mother went to the hospital at 5:30 AM and I was born at 9 AM. This was in the "good old days" when they gave everyone general anesthesia, and the nurses incredibly were screaming at her not to push because she was still "awake."

    Fortunately, one old nun put a stop to that and shooed the other nurses out of the room and coached my mother until the doctor got there at which point I was born.

    No anesthesia, no childbirth classes, less than five hours of active labor on a first baby. It can happen, and no doctor would even suggest that a fast labor in a first time mom proves (or even "indicates") that she's had a baby before.

    While I believe that Tripp was NOT Bristol's first, the length of her labor is no proof of anything.

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  113. Anonymous9:34 AM

    Levi walks into the house in Dec (maybe Nov) when shit tons of family members are there and it's observed he is acknowledged and even referenced but he is described as staying silent.

    7:18 AM
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    You really need help with your writing skills. This sounds like it was written by a 2nd grader. Or a high school dropout. Here's some free advice: No one will take you seriously if you can't communicate your thoughts effectively. You must be a Pathetic Palin. I feel sorry for you.

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  114. GhostbusterTX9:34 AM

    Also too the rocking chair - are you really surprised to see one in the maternity room?

    And for those who think it is someone else's baby - you know the first thing they did when my child was born was slap those wrist and ankle bands on parents and newborn, and they had to remain on until we left the premises. I think Sherry would probably notice if there was someone else's name attached to her first grandchild.

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  115. Anonymous9:38 AM

    I just spent a considerable amount of time in ICU with a family member. The floors in the rooms are fake wood, just like in the Sherry picture.
    Tripp has always looked larger than the age the Palins claim he is - starting with his Benadryled-out Today show interview.

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  116. Anonymous9:38 AM

    Weird.In that picture thought, Tripp looks like he was probably a term baby. given it's her first child, We don't know how Bristol's pregnancies or deliveries go or if her impending children are naturally small, average or large.

    7:29 AM
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    Nice try "Heather". Tripp is not Bristol's first child, but I like how you tried to slip that in there as a "given". Your troll skills are improving. You get +1 points today.

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  117. Anonymous9:44 AM

    But - it is understandable that Bristol wanted to avoid the media at all costs. And she's one not to be controlled.

    7:47 AM
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    Wrong. Bristol is 100% controlled by her sick, disturbed mentally ill mother. Have you not been paying attention? Try and keep up or don't bother commenting. You just look foolish. Oh and tell Bristol its time to get out from under sarah's thumb and start her own life instead of being 100% controlled by Sarah. Truth hurts but you have to accept it.

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  118. The trip to the cabin is bizarre. The handling of Tripp's birth announcement was bizarre. Sarah's mood on Dec. 30-31 was bizarre.

    What do you make of the Esquire interview? They shadowed Todd around Dec. 11 and again a month later. From the first interview session they wrote this (p. 3):

    Bristol had a doctor's appointment this morning and Todd hasn't seen her since.
    "How you doing?" he asks her, nodding at her belly.
    She smiles.
    "One centimeter dilated!" she says.
    "What'd they say? At the hospital?" Todd says to Bristol.
    She shrugs.
    "We'll see," she says. "Grandma says tonight!"
    Todd shakes his head, smiles.
    "Not today," he says. "I'm busy."
    "You'll be a grandpa by tonight!" Willow says.
    "Tomorrow night," Todd says. " 'Cause tomorrow I gotta go work on sleds in Soldotna."

    [talking on phone to Sarah]"I didn't figure you were getting home till late tonight. All right. Okay. I was gonna head down to Soldotna tomorrow. But I think everybody's schedule is kind of resting on Bristol's schedule. Okay. Gotta go."

    http://www.esquire.com/features/todd-palin-bio-0509-3

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  119. Anonymous9:50 AM

    Remember everyone:
    Trygve means brave victory or trustworthy in old Norse.
    TriG means Down Syndrome.

    Sarah, please respond to this horrific naming gaffe of yours.

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  120. Anonymous9:50 AM

    My 2 cents: Bristol gave birth to Tripp on his stated birth date in December, making her 5 months pregnant at the convention. Levi is likely confused about the dates for the pregnancy, etc. Maybe he wasn't paying that much attention.

    The real story, IMO, is Trig not Tripp. I strongly believe that Trig was born earlier than his stated birth date sometime in April. Whether Trig is Bristol's kid or not I am not sure. I don't think so. I think Trig belongs to Sarah's sister. I also think it was possible that Bristol was pregnant in 2007 and can speculate all kinds of scenarios for where the baby ended up but it would be just that - speculation.

    *If* Bristol was pregnant in 2007 and was forced to give up the baby it would increase the likelihood that she would want to replace it right away. Her reaction to Sarah having a baby can be better explained with this scenario as well. She had to give her baby away (or something) but then her mother announces that she herself is pregnant. It could well be very upsetting for Bristol (assuming the scenario is correct).

    I think that it is also possible that Sarah hid her faked pregnancy from her own kids. Numerous reports have stated that she often removed herself from the family and stayed in her bedroom. Maybe they really don't know. You would want to believe your mother, right?

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  121. Trig was Tripp before he was Trig. right?

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  122. Anonymous9:52 AM

    Wasn't there a video posted way back at Palin's Deceptions of Bristol speed walking into church in December 2008? It was after the church fire. She seemed to be pushing her hands forward in the pockets of her coat to make her belly appear larger. She was also walking awfully quickly and easily for a supposedly nine-month pregnant woman.

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  123. Anonymous9:52 AM

    I'm beginning to wonder if Levi has Swiss cheese for brains. That might be part of the discrepancy problem, that and laziness in the editing process. Still, Swiss cheese definitely comes to mind.
    M from MD

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  124. Anon @7:18 AM
    "See esquire. Sarah teaches him (Levi) to cook a roast or something. He stares into the stove."

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    I heard Sarah say to Barbara Walters or maybe Oprah, that she "had only been around Levi once or twice". Now we all know Sarah doesn't lie and now we know that one time she taught Levi to cook a roast and the next time, she let Levi be photographed holding her newborn DS baby who was 5 or so weeks premature. That Sarah, a heart of gold!

    And a mouth that spews nothing but bullshit.

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  125. Anonymous9:54 AM

    8:59 am

    the tax free $afari lake cabin ?!?
    isn't that where todd grows his cash crop of mary jane, you know to supplement their income ?

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  126. comeonpeople9:56 AM

    OK, look, I just went and dug my ziplock bag out of my lingerie drawer and my pregnnacy test stick is STILL BLUE.
    This is 14 years later as I got pregnant late September 1997. OK?
    This line of questioning is silly. We have bigger fish to fry.

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  127. O/T but this is the SCARIEST pumpkin EVER!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/the-funniest-jackolanterns_n_767255.html?ref=nf#s160251&title=Sarah_Palin

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  128. Anonymous10:00 AM

    Haven't had the time to read all the comments, but it is possible that Levi has been confusing the dates of the two different pregnancies. It's hard to keep track of dates when there are two pregnancies, one of which has dates/details that are complete lies.

    What if it was Trig that was due to be born in mid-January? That fits in well with the meagain info that had a photo of a hospitalized Trig in a Valentine's Day outfit. And Sarah might not have hatched her plan to 'steal' Trig immediately. There was that anon. nurse who posted that when Trig was born, extremely premature, he was diagnosed with multiple disabilities and they weren't even sure he would live. He was not immediately diagnosed with Downs.

    I'm guessing that Sarah's plan to take Trig didn't begin until they knew for sure the baby would live, and he was diagnosed with Downs, which (a) would make it difficult for them to adopt out, and (b) would cement her stature as a pro-life candidate.

    Oh, and for those as obsessed about this as I am, there's a new post that Laura Novak has up, an interview with Brad Scharlott that meshes with my suspicions, and has an interesting photo I've never seen before.

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  129. Anonymous10:00 AM

    Have you ever heard how untrustworthy eye-witness accounts are? People see what they expect to see.

    This proves it.

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  130. cjomper10:01 AM

    Gryphen, I think you are trying to make too much sense of the random actions of folks who don't have any sense.

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  131. Anonymous10:01 AM

    yup, that's a heck of a lot of coincidences. don't forget to add that bristol named her (?) baby after her father's prostitute.

    so weird.

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  132. Anonymous10:07 AM

    For those speculating that Trig was born to one of Sarah's sisters:

    Are you crazy?!! When has Sarah Palin ever done ANYTHING for her family! It's always the other way around -- they have to cover for her, raise her kids for her, etc. There is no way that narcissistic bitch does anything loving for anyone. Just ask Todd.

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  133. Anonymous10:10 AM

    Bristol give birth to a sickly child who is adopted out for a DS baby, $arah fakes the prego to conceal the birth of Bristol's child (who is born sometime in January or February while she's MIA) and sees a DS baby as street cred (because let's face it, she's always about $arah 24-7, kids be damned) but dates of conception/due dates are all twisted around so that it would conceal the fact that Bristol was pregnant twice. Bristol gets knocked up within a few months of the first birth (maybe as retribution for her baby being taken from her) but the due date is publicly announced as earlier while in reality it is a month later. $arah adopting a DS baby helps her credibility as well as deflects from the rumor of Bristol being pregnant because young women don't often have DS babies. Paylin's "logic" would be that she was being a protective mother AND helping to adopt a baby that otherwise would have been aborted. Paylin blackmails Bristol with "I did this for you and you are going to do this for me" That is what likely happened.

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  134. Anonymous10:13 AM

    My doctor advised me that delivery at 37 weeks was safe for the baby as that is regarded as full term. I had to make a decision whether to risk the additional three weeks given some complications I had or just deliver right away through pitocin induction at 37 weeks. My doctor said it was basically all the same in terms of safety. So I assume B was induced once L left town. Also, too, Sarah said she was induced through pitocin after the wild ride which I don't think is true but she had in her pea brain some knowledge of induction.

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  135. Anonymous10:17 AM

    Sorry 6:32 I've kept pee sticks (yes, as disgusting as this sounds) for sentimental reasons since we had a very hard time conceiving. I just couldn't toss them (and a lot of other infertile women have done the same), but I COULD still see the results much later on. Don't know why Bristol or Sarah would since they're obviously fertile myrtles.

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  136. Anonymous10:27 AM

    What we know for certain is that Palin/Heath/Johnston/McCain&staff/CBJ are ALL lying.

    They will continue to blatantly lie until the Grim Reaper comes for them. It bothers them not one bit that they are obviously lying. Because they think no one can MAKE them tell the truth.

    The truth is in the paper trail. Birth Certificates, e-mails, insurance paperwork, medical records, DNA.

    Parnell thinks he's handled the e-mail problem. But I think that is the weakest link in the chain. Some state employees are sitting on a goldmine.

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  137. The "flow chart" I want to see is the DNA of everyone from Chuckie on charted. That might be very interesting.

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  138. Yeah, 10:01, and the coincidence that Trig also means Tri-g, an old term for DS.

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  139. Anonymous10:48 AM

    I toured the Mat-Su Regional during an Open House event prior to the official opening. One of their big selling points in the Birthing Center are rooms that are created not to look like hospital rooms, but rooms in a home with wood laminate flooring and comfy furniture. They also offer gourmet meals prepared for the mother.

    Not being able to see more of the room I'm unable to say if this is actually one of the Mat-Su birthing suites, but they do have wood laminate flooring and rocking chairs.

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  140. The simple reason that there are conflicting stories about the birth and the telling of the parents, is that there were TWO of each and one is supposed to be kept secret. But people get mixed up when asked.

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  141. Anonymous11:06 AM

    It's more likely for someone to tell the truth the first time around. With time, memories grow fuzzy and feelings change.

    DITH was full of contrived and fictional sentences. Some I doubt Levi even thought up himself. Much was stolen from other sources and fact were routinely gotten wrong.

    DITH is trash just for the carelessness. It had one purpose: to paint Levi in a positive light.

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  142. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Here's a link (h/t mxm) to an interview with Todd in MID Dec. 2008.

    http://www.esquire.com/features/todd-palin-bio-0509

    According to the article:
    First week, back from a doctor's appt. Bristol says to Todd. "One centimeter dilated!"... She shrugs..."Grandma says tonight!" (I'd think they'd be concerned, rather than nonchalant and chatty if the due date was January 18)

    The next week Sherry is arrested.

    The third week Bristol gives birth.


    Keeping in mind that $arah never thinks ahead, could it be simply that they fudged Tripp's birthdate by a week so it would't be in the same news cycle as Sherry's arrest? Both Sherry and Sadie mentioned their visits were rushed...so they wouldn't notice Tripp was 1 week old and not newborn?

    And later fudges the due date because a month later looks even better.

    OT the writer also mentions piles of laundry on the kitchen table and couch, piles of clothes and toys that need to be put away and dirty dishes piled in the sink.

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  143. Okay folks let's stay focused here.

    The post I am working on is going to contain some very contradictory information, that is going to be very difficult to absorb.

    I have wondered for years if I was going to be able to present it in a way that would make it understandable. Your recent reactions to the information and contradictions in Levi's book, as well as Sherry's information, give me little encouragement.

    If you cannot deal just with the stuff in Levi's book, you will NEVER be able to deal with the rest of it.

    Some of you are acting like that dog in the movie "Up."

    Here I am trying to demonstrate the number of lies that have been told about these pregnancies, and you guys get distracted by the flooring in Mat-Su.

    "Squirrel!"

    Yes, THAT is what the floors look like. I don't believe they are real wood, but only meant to look like real wood.

    There are numerous trolls visiting right now, whose entire purpose is to confuse the issues. So stay vigilant.

    I need clear headed people to help sort through this stuff, NOT impulsive, easily manipulated commenters who spend all of their time chasing wild geese.

    Sorry for being a little short, but I mean seriously!

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  144. Anonymous11:19 AM

    What are these kids going to when they get older, and they have to list their birthdate on legal forms; school, drivers license, credit card apps, etc.

    Do they list their actual birthdays ( if they truly know it), or do they list their "birthday according to Sarah"?

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  145. Anonymous11:19 AM

    How come within the Palin family nothing is ever black and white.... except for Sarah Palin and Glen Rice?

    Why does everything has to be confusing and full of drama?

    How come everything that the Palins does is a scam or a con job?

    They are always trying to pull something over everybody whether it is sex, drugs, education, politics, family life, religion, friendships, money... you name it there is drama involved.

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  146. Anonymous11:26 AM

    G-Man: Appreciate your comment. Have you seen Brad's scenario at Laura's site just now? With everything you know and suspect, how does that scenario work for you? --Amy1

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  147. FEDUP!!!11:26 AM

    Anonymous 7:09 AM said...

    6:21- I thought the same thing when I saw the picture. How do you sanitize hard wood floors in a hospital?
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    No. This does not necessarily show a hardwood floor. Our hospital has the same kind of flooring in the newer parts, but it is linoleum or whatever. Looks like the real deal, though, very nice and fancy (and patients/their insurances pay for it quite handsomely...)

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  148. Anonymous11:31 AM

    Yes listen close folks Gryphen is going to string us along just a bit more.

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  149. Anonymous11:31 AM

    ok something wrong with posting here since it shows "141 comments" and only a few of them
    are here to read.

    my recent post got lost.

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  150. Sweet anny11:32 AM

    Thank you Gryphen. We do not know, may never know, the truth of all of this.

    BUT. We DO know what did not happen.

    Sarah has not conceived since Piper was born. Simply not physically able.

    There were too many stories about her "too-bull" from when she was ducking her carpool responsibilities.

    The rest of this? We may never know the truth of what she did do and why.

    But we know for certain that she was not pregnant after Piper.

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  151. Hang in there, Gryph! Plenty of clear heads around here. We eagerly (but not too eagerly!) await your next chapter.

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  152. Hi Sarah, Welcome Back!

    (As per Gryph @11:17 AM...)

    Quick Question, Where's Trigs Birth Certificate?

    SQUIRREL!

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  153. Anonymous said...
    For those speculating that Trig was born to one of Sarah's sisters:

    Are you crazy?!! When has Sarah Palin ever done ANYTHING for her family! It's always the other way around -- they have to cover for her, raise her kids for her, etc. There is no way that narcissistic bitch does anything loving for anyone. Just ask Todd.

    10:07 AM


    Yes! Let's ask Todd if he knocked up one of $arah's sisters! Or, maybe he knocked up one of his 'ladies'.

    Todd had a vendetta towards Curtis Menard, Jr.; $arah has a vendetta towards Todd.

    Todd being the bio-dad paired with a not-very-convenient-bio-mom ties up a lot of loose ends for me ~ not the least of which is WHY $arah would go to the elaborate length of a hoax (and why $he treats Todd like shit).

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  154. Anonymous11:52 AM

    @ 11:17

    Thank you so much, Gryphen. I was hoping you would bring some semblance of decorum to this thread. My head was spinning from all the distractions, far-fetched suppositions & ridiculous posts over the hospital's wood flooring. Boy, it doesn't take much to get folks talking nonsense and making themselves look foolish. If a visitor came here for the first time and read some of those comments, they would think we were all looney tunes.

    Hope you are not so disgusted that you are having second thoughts about releasing your final thoughts on Levi's book.

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  155. Anonymous11:54 AM

    Anonymous said...
    Levi walks into the house in Dec (maybe Nov) when shit tons of family members are there and it's observed he is acknowledged and even referenced but he is described as staying silent.

    7:18 AM
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    You really need help with your writing skills. This sounds like it was written by a 2nd grader. Or a high school dropout. Here's some free advice: No one will take you seriously if you can't communicate your thoughts effectively. You must be a Pathetic Palin. I feel sorry for you.

    9:34 AM

    Excuse me ANOM 9:34AM,

    "This sounds like it was written by a 2nd grader. Or a high school dropout."

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    WTF? Since you are so eager to correct others........
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    "This sounds like it was written by a 2nd grader or a high school dropout."

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  156. FEDUP!!!12:04 PM

    Just want to re-state what I said earlier, and what other posters also said: The 'wooden' floor is not REAL wood - it is laminate or linoleum, made to look like the real thing.
    We have it in our newest wing of our hospital (and are re-doing the rest of the floors in the older part), and we also have wooden rocking chairs in our maternity ward.
    Until a couple of years ago, we had carpets all over the hospital floors (not in the patient rooms, though). A nightmare for spills, which occurred frequently, and a stinky mess when they had to steam clean the carpet and dry it afterwards...

    I live in WA State, and work in our local hospital.

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  157. Anonymous12:06 PM

    The Wasilla church arson occurred on December 12 and was investigated as an arson almost immediately by the ATF. Perhaps that is why so few details can be extracted from the authorities: it is an unresolved crime.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/15/atf-says-accelerant-entrances-palins-blazed-church/

    The photo of Bristol dashing across the parking lot of that church was taken the Sunday before the Friday arson: presumably on December 7. She is CLEARLY NOT 9 months pregnant in that photo (scroll down in link below), and appears to me to not be pregnant at all.

    http://palindeception.blogspot.com/

    After Bristol's pregnancy was questioned in this regard by Audrey (ie, that based on all the photographic evidence it did not appear to progress as any other pregnancy on the planet), Audrey's website was severely attacked, Audrey received death threats, Palin photos started vanishing from the internet in huge numbers, and Audrey was afraid to continue further with her blogging and expose.

    Finally, for those who say Tripp looks like Chuck Sr., he also looks like Chuck Jr., who can be seen on the website below.

    http://www.aksenate.org/menard/063009_menard_newsletter.htm

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  158. Anonymous12:07 PM

    Gryphen why get all frustrated over the flooring comments when you are the one letting all the fairy tale trolls get on here and fill up the comments with their BS? Talk about being a distraction your beginning to sound like Joe when he went off on his regular commenters.

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  159. Too bad someone didn't take a picture of the baby's ears. Someone in Alaska is making a lot of money renting out babies to the Palin clan to cover up for real or mythological babies.

    I am just so confused. Everyone is lying about something.

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  160. Anonymous12:10 PM

    "I need clear headed people to help sort through this stuff, NOT impulsive, easily manipulated commenters who spend all of their time chasing wild geese."

    Well, OK then, put it all out there and LET'S GO!!

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  161. Anonymous12:10 PM

    Team Levi probably realize that when this hoax reaches BREAKING NEWS status, at CNN no less, that Sir Levi will more-than-likely be complicit in the fraud. That is probably why his book has been floated to try and "patch the holes" to the very convoluted story. Unfortunately, one LIE tends to lead to another.

    Perhaps he should have sought better counsel along the way...

    Tick. Tock.

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  162. FEDUP!!!12:10 PM

    Re. Firstborns and labor time: Mine was an incredibly long 42 hours, but our neighbor had no time to even make it to the hospital - she had her firstborn outside in the parkinglot of the hospital, something like 1/2 hour after her first contractions.

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  163. Anonymous12:13 PM

    Do modern hospitals have wooden floors? Seems very unsanitary.

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  164. Anonymous12:16 PM

    "Yeah, 10:01, and the coincidence that Trig also means Tri-g, an old term for DS."

    This is one urban legend I'd like to see die. Please, please can someone find a single reference (that doesn't mention Sarah Palin) to Down syndrome (i.e. trisomy 21) ever being called "Tri-g?" It has never been known as Tri-g.

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  165. Anonymous12:19 PM

    Bristol,
    Deep down inside does it bother you at all that you threw at least one of your babies away?

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  166. Anonymous12:23 PM

    And John McCain, may you rot in Hell for what you've done. I'd like him to see all of this research. I'm sure he tries to ignore it, but I'd love to have copies available for him every single day, pasted to his newspaper, attached to a menu at a restaurant, at his desk, everywhere he goes, so he can't run away.
    8:38 AM



    John McCain has comments and advice for Gov Christie, how come McCain has no advice or comments regarding Sarah Palin?

    My guess is that Sarah knows stuff about John McCain which prevents him from talking about Sarah.

    They are are like two monkeys in a cage, if one throws shit at the other chimp, the other one will fling it back.

    It is MAD...

    Mutual Assured Destruction!

    So nobody attacks the other.

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  167. Anonymous12:29 PM

    I threw the pee-sticks out but I did keep the kids close by me and personally raised them to adulthood ;-)

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  168. FEDUP!!!12:29 PM

    @ Curioser @ 9:45 : Hmmm... Interesting. December 11/12 - NOT 27/28.

    AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
    SOMEone PLEASE find out the truth - the story is simply too convoluted, and seems to be getting worse by the minute!!!
    We not only have Levi contradicting himself, but now we also have Sherry doing the same with the picture posted. Was she DUPED into believing she was holding Tripp?
    You'd think that a grandmother would be able to tell the difference between the baby she held the first time vs a baby she might hold later on (which she did - since Tripp DID spend some time at her house), if the baby were switched-out.
    You'd also assume she would be able to see the difference between a brand-new baby and one that would be a couple of weeks old by that date (Dec.28)

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  169. Anonymous12:30 PM

    Hey Sarah, how's that lawsuit thingy going for ya?

    Ya been awfully quiet since people laughed at your empty threats.

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  170. No. No coincidences. I see the hand of Sarah Palin everywhere...turning lemons into political lemonade.

    The trip to the cabin certainly makes it seem like the January due date is the real one.

    When Bristol's 5-month pregnancy hit the airwaves to (illogically) dispel the rumors, I thought 1)we'd hear about a miscarriage or 2) Bristol would be induced. The scenario you describe in the post sounds like an inducement. Levi may well have been furious when he found out. Sarah set him up to lose the slope job a few days later--outing him as being unqualified for the apprenticeship.

    I can imagine Sarah wanting to make the Johnstons look bad and Bristol look like a victim. I can imagine Sarah telling Bristol about a lucrative offer from the Candies Foundation...but Candies didn't want to be associated with the son of a drug dealer. They wanted to give the title of teen ambassador for abstinence to a hardworking, single teen mom...a title Bristol later flaunted in Mercede's face.

    In one interview during Bristol and Levi's second engagement, Bristol blamed the first breakup on her mother's political aspirations. She may have momentarily questioned Sarah's manipulations.

    I'm looking forward to the next installment...as messy as it may be.

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  171. Anonymous12:44 PM

    @7:12 am
    "A father who has always thought this teen boy was a punk and loser, commenting earlier that year that Bristol "doesn't have to fall for the first guy..." and a teen boy who probably knew his son could be born at ANY moment."

    Not to add another layer to the theories we have flying around, but when Gryphen first posted this info in his review, my first thought was "Levi, you dodged a bullet (maybe literally!). Did Todd want to set up a 'hunting accident' for him? I know, I know, too far-fetched (???) even for the Palins, but it shows the rep they have that THAT was first in my mind. If I was Levi, with the hate flying around, I'd never have been alone with Todd. Especially in a remote location. Too easy to hide the body.

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  172. Anonymous12:45 PM

    I'm with you Gryphen, there are so many red herrings it's getting ridiculous. It's definitely intentional on the conspirators part to muddy the waters and distract us as much as possible with wild goose chases. Who cares about the wood/laminate floor, IV in the arm/in the hand or if the pregnancy stick stays blue/fades? These are all inconsequential items in the grand scheme of things. I know we are all desperately looking for any clues in the small amount of info provided but we need to stay focused on debunking and exposing the BIG LIE: Sarah Palin DID NOT give birth to Trig.

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  173. One time Gryphen said that when we latch on to the truth about $arah's Hoax, we will ALMOST (maybe) feel sorry for $arah.

    Could "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig" mean that Shailey is Trig's bio-mom and Mr. Chihuahua-in-the-purse is his bio-dad?

    Is that too simple?

    (Sorry Gryphen ~ if my thinkin's are true, i can't scratch up any sympathy for that $kank.)

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  174. Anonymous1:00 PM

    @6:21 and 7:09 - I am sitting right now on what most people think is a hardwood floor. I's actually vinyl strip planking.

    Then there's laminate. Both are impermeable plastic.

    Many birthing centers at hospitals went to this with the new "feel like you're at home" vibe.

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  175. Anonymous1:22 PM

    11:17
    Gryph,
    for the time being, how about you eliminate the little troll bots so as to keeping the easily distracted more on point ?

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  176. Anonymous1:23 PM

    Looks like the whole uneducated Palin family is here blogging now, most of their comments make no sense as usual. Ignorance is bliss, those Palins always say.

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  177. Anon@12:16 PM:

    Is the Merck Manual also an “urban legend”?

    "Down syndrome (trisomy 21, trisomy G) is a chromosomal disorder resulting in mental retardation/intellectual disability and physical abnormalities."

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/childrens_health_issues/chromosomal_and_genetic_abnormalities/down_syndrome_trisomy_21_trisomy_g.html

    Do you really think Trig’s name is a coincidence? After Mrs. Palin has assured us time and time again that “there are no coincidences”?

    Medical practitioners have written that it is common to abbreviate trisomy G as tri-G. Even if you don’t believe that the abbreviation is common, would you really name a Down syndrome child with trisomy G “Trig”????

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  178. Anonymous1:45 PM

    Gryphen is totally right with his 'Squirrel!' comment. Jimminy F'in Crickets.

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  179. FEDUP - The Esquire article highlights the discrepancy that Gryphen is pointing out in the post; it's not reporting a birth but one expected at any time. Todd, Bristol, and Willow play it up for the Esquire reporter--the baby is expected at any moment and Todd makes sure they know he's planning his schedule around Bristol. Yet, he takes Levi to the cabin two weeks later before the birth.

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  180. Someone could write to Levi, his authors, and his publisher and ask about his statement that Tripp was due three weeks after Christmas, pointing out that it conflicts with Levi's earlier statements that Tripp was due December 18, and ask which statement is true.

    Surely he can be questioned about what he published in a book.

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  181. About the trolls. Yes I do tend to allow people to post a comment, even when I know they are trolls.

    The reason? Well the foremost reason is my disdain for censorship.

    But the other reason is because the past has shown that sometimes when I refuse a comment, it can suddenly convince the person leaving the comment that they are onto something "big" and then they head on over to blogs that are less than friendly toward mine, and pontificate on their "revelation."

    In the past I have found that these conversation have devolved until people are convinced that I am paid off, trying to kill the babygate investigation, or protecting somebody by hiding information.

    It gets ridiculous.

    However, just so you know, I DO reject comments when they are truly mean spirited or nutty.

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  182. Anonymous1:50 PM

    The wood/vinyl flooring here is not an issue.

    I had my first child 26 years ago and our smal-town hospital had a "birthing room" which was designed to be comfortable and home-like. We even had a braided rug and rocking chair!

    Apparently Matsu has a similar facility. But, who knows.

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  183. Anonymous1:57 PM

    @Curiouser at 12.33...I like the way you think. I am seriously having doubts about "when and if" Bristol was pregnant with Tripp. However, I think you have hit the nail on the head...at that point in time, they wanted to get rid of the Johnstons. WHY?

    It is very hard to imagine Bristol having had a baby in late December and then breaking up with the father just over a week later. I know one's hormones are all over the place, but I seriously doubt that any new mother would jettison the father that quickly.

    Gryphen, I am trying to be clear headed, but it is hard.

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  184. Anonymous2:00 PM

    Maybe Bristol doesn't know who the father is. Maybe that's why the due dates are so "fluid". If you aren't sure when you had sex with which guy, it makes figuring out the due date pretty difficult. Some of the trolls have even said Bristol and Levi didn't really have a committed relationship. So was she just out partying and screwing around with whoever? Levi was the lucky dum fuck who was chosen to be the baby daddy?

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  185. Anonymous2:03 PM

    To the person referring to the church fire and Bristol's brief filmed appearance there....you state that the family (minus Sarah) were filmed entering the church a week BEFORE the fire. But in my memory (which is not perfect)those Palin's showed up a week AFTER the fire. Supposedly to lend "support" and I'm guessing in way of apology that Sarah's controversial fame had caused this kind of "vandalism".

    Anyway, my understanding is that it's perhaps one of the ONLY times they attended. And yes, seeing Bristol run quickly ahead was pretty weird and if her pregnancy size had progressed according to the size we saw her at the convention, she would likely have been enormous....but, she hardly looked pregnant.

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  186. Anonymous2:04 PM

    12:16PM. Nothing urban legend about it.

    Downs Syndrome is often referred to as Trisomy 21 or Trisomy G. Many kinds of Trisomy conditions exist, Downs Syndrome being one of them. Trisomy stands for tri so Trisomy G was often abbreviated to TriG.

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/childrens_health_issues/chromosomal_and_genetic_abnormalities/down_syndrome_trisomy_21_trisomy_g.html?qt=&sc=&alt=

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  187. Betsy S2:10 PM

    Sarah Palin is the GOP Stalking Horse, and has been for three years.

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  188. Anonymous2:13 PM

    Hey Gryphen -- Bring on the complexity. We already know from our current mess of conflicting info that much of it is deliberate lies, some it is wrong maybe only because people can't remember, and somewhere in there is a thread of truth and some rock-solid data points.

    One rock-solid data point: SP was not pregnant as stated.

    Another: different ears and inappropriate sizes of babies.

    Another: the extensive documentation of SP's nonstop lying.

    Others? Not so sure. But let's see what you have. Not sure we can help, but you know we are eager to try.

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  189. Anonymous2:21 PM

    Uh oh, txghostbuster and Norwegian Blue. You have suggested that the maternity suite floors are decorative laminate, not hardwood. You are now sure to be called out as trolls. Or are you really Bristol or Chuckie?

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  190. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Really? Is that the best you've got 11:54am? Both ways are correct. I suppose they could have used a semi-colon before "or". either way: Grammar police fail. Oh and I can't figure out what your original post is supposed to be saying either. It's incoherent at best. You think overusing words like "acknowledged" or "observed" makes you sound smart but in reality you sound like an idiot pretending like they know what they're talking about. Hmmm who does tha remind me of?

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  191. Anonymous2:25 PM

    Your update was verrrrrry interesting.

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  192. Anonymous2:29 PM

    Anon 6:55am - It's doubtful Tawd was worried 2 or more 'dads' would
    turn up at the hospital. Becoming
    a 'dad' while a teenager would make most boys sick to their stomachs. It's such a death knell
    for a decent future unless the lad
    has well-heeled parents who are determined this 'setback' not be allowed to defer his education &
    step in to help.

    It's my opinion, Snooky & Tawd (both bullies)wouldn't dare treat Levi like they have if his situation had been different.

    Sharon TN

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  193. Ok, either I have smoked ENTIRELY too much herb in my day, or this saga is way over my head.

    At this point, it wouldn't shock me if Track was Trig's mother...

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  194. Olivia2:35 PM

    Anonymous@ 2:00pm. You don't calculate your due date by when you had sex. You could have sex with a different guy every 2 hours for a month and the method for due date calculation would stay the same.

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  195. eclecticsandra2:39 PM

    The Sunday after the church fire, services were held in a school. The tv people were there waiting for the Palins. Bristol (or a double) with hands in pockets made a quick walk to the door after she sighted the cameras. The sidewalk was icy, and the rapidity of her walk indicated she was not 9 months pregnant.

    So, the church picture was after the fire.

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  196. Gryphen - Thanks for explaining why you're letting the troll posts through. It's complicated, huh? I've seen the attacks on you on other blogs. Sometimes they sound made-up--no one can prove their post was censored.

    I like that fewer people are engaging and arguing with the trolls which makes this a much nicer place to visit.

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  197. rmclement20012:53 PM

    Gryphen: Thank-you for all of your hard work and determination to get to the bottom of this mystery. The Tripp birth was never going to be anything other than mysterious because its timing was the only proof SP used for having given birth to Trig. The conflicting stories of Tripp's birth prove that the story that SP gave birth to Trig is a lie. Thanks again, and I understand your considerable frustration, but please hang in there.

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  198. Anonymous2:54 PM

    Here's what I think will be the upshot: Gryphen will end up giving us a long string of contradictions that show that anything that Granny LuLu says is suspect.

    Unfortunately, I don't think he'll be able to get to the bottom of who the babies were born to, and when, and how many other babies may be floating around. I still think we'll have to wait for Willow to hit rock bottom and write a tell-all to raise money.

    You know, it's strange: for a family that's so anxious to sell their lives to the highest bidders, they aren't willing to sell the truth.

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  199. Anonymous3:09 PM

    Perfect...'B.A.T.S'...birthday according to sarah.

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  200. Anonymous3:10 PM

    Is there any chance (yeah, probably, the puzzle is still not yet clear and we've been told the story is fantastic) that Bristol gave birth to an FAS child? that Trig has FAS? That the 1st Trig had FAS and a DS baby was substituted? It seems so much more likely that Bristol would give birth to FAS than DS - although it's possible.

    I'm not familiar enough with the dates and diagnosis. I think FAS can look like DS, but I don't know if there are enough differences to determine from pictures if it is definitely DS and not FAS?


    Lucy

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