Saturday, December 03, 2011

Atheists as distrusted as rapists. WTF?

Courtesy of CTVBC:

Atheists are distrusted to roughly the same degree as rapists, according to a new University of British Columbia study exploring distaste for disbelievers. 

The research, led by UBC psychology doctoral student Will Gervais, found distrust to be the central factor motivating antagonism toward atheists among the religious. 

"Where there are religious majorities – that is, in most of the world – atheists are among the least trusted people," Gervais said in a release. 

"With more than half a billion atheists worldwide, this prejudice has the potential to affect a substantial number of people." 

Researchers believe the negative perception of atheists may stem from some people's understanding of morality; a 2002 Pew poll suggests nearly half of Americans believe morality is impossible without belief in god.

For one part of Gervais' six-part study, researchers compared views of atheists, homosexual men and the general population, noting that the first two groups are "often described as threatening to majority religious values and morality." 

Both are explicitly denied membership to the Boy Scouts of America, the study adds.

A sample of 351 Americans between the ages of 18 and 82 were quizzed on their feelings for each group. Sixty-seven per cent or subjects were Christian while 14 per cent said they did not believe in god. 

The results suggested anti-atheist prejudice was characterized by distrust, while anti-gay prejudice was characterized by disgust. 

For another part of the study, 105 UBC students between the ages of 18 and 25 were presented with a description of an untrustworthy person – an "archetypal freerider" who committed selfish and illegal acts when he thought he could get away with it. 

Subjects were more likely to find the description representative of atheists than Christians, Muslims, gay men, feminists or Jewish people. Only rapists were similarly distrusted. 

"People did not significantly differentiate atheists from rapists," the study said. 

You know it is this kind of stuff that really chaps my ass.

The idea that an identified religious affiliation determines that person's morality is demonstrably untrue, and the kind of ridiculous propaganda that certain groups love to cite to make themselves feel special and to justify their illogical belief system.

For instance I don't believe that Muslims are more prone to terrorist acts, that Catholic priests are more prone to pedophilia, or that Fundamentalists are all as batshit crazy as Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. (Okay on that last one I have to admit the jury is still out.)

One of my least favorite phrases is, "Oh we can trust him, he is a good Christian man."  That is usually followed, it seems, by the realization that someone has been swindled out of their life savings or the discovery of some dead bodies in the woods.  Trusting ANYBODY based on their proclaimed religious affiliation is a sure sign of severe mental impairment in my opinion.

Now speaking for myself, I can say that I am certainly no saint. However if you were to compare my life choices to those of Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, or John Edwards, all self identified Christians, I would certainly seem like one.

I don't lie, or cheat, or steal.

I am not a drug user, an alcoholic, or a wife beater.

I have worked with children my entire life, and have NEVER even been accused of any impropriety. (Despite the best efforts by the Palin-bots.) And in fact have received numerous commendations for my work.

And NO that has nothing to do with my lack of religious faith. It is just who I happen to be.

However if one were trying to measure the morality of certain segments of the population based on their belief system, one might look at data from the prison system. (Admittedly this is a little old, dating back to 1997, though I doubt it has changed much.)

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category:

Catholic 29267 39.164% 
Protestant 26162 35.008% 
Muslim 5435 7.273% 
American Indian 2408 3.222% 
Nation 1734 2.320% 
Rasta 1485 1.987% 
Jewish 1325 1.773% 
Church of Christ 1303 1.744% 
Pentecostal 1093 1.463% 
Moorish 1066 1.426% 
Buddhist 882 1.180% 
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890% 
Adventist 621 0.831% 
Orthodox 375 0.502% 
Mormon 298 0.399% 
Scientology 190 0.254% 
Atheist 156 0.209% 
Hindu 119 0.159% 
Santeria 117 0.157% 
Sikh 14 0.019% 
Bahai 9 0.012% 
Krishna 7 0.009%

(For the sake of comparison the percentage of Atheists in this country stands at roughly 12%.)

Like I said it is not terribly intelligent to judge a person's morality based on their religious affiliation. But if I were, and based on the above data, I know who I WOULD and WOULD NOT trust.


Distrusting somebody based solely on their religious beliefs, or lack thereof, makes no more sense than trusting somebody based on the color of their skin, their gender, or their height. And in fact it is this "trust shortcut" that is a by product of a deep religious conviction that has allowed certain church members to find themselves victimized time and time again.

32 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:44 AM

    Interesting and disturbing.
    I'm confused about how the list of inmates by religion works. A rough scan only adds up to around 75,000 represented in that list, when the USA was approaching 2 million inmates in 1997.

    What did I miss?

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  2. Anonymous3:09 AM

    RELIGION
    A Consoling Delusion for People Who Can't Handle Reality

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  3. A. J. Billings3:38 AM

    Excellent post Gryphen.

    It's truly frustrating to try and explain to religious folks that morality and ethics are not 100% locked into having faith, or being a Christian.

    In one blog I was reading, a Paylin supporter accused me of destroying her culture, her traditions, and the USA, just because I pointed out Granny Grifter had committed major gaffes on the VP campaign

    Just how insecure can someone be if my non-theism is perceived as an actual threat to their religion or faith?

    What is more evident every year in the USA is how polarizing a person like $arah Payin is by spewing the Limbaugh and Levin talking points.

    I happen to be pretty a pretty conservative guy, but I recognize that in America, we have a democratic Republic, and we can't just dismiss other's opinions. We have to work together by compromising even on strongly held positions and ideas.

    Somehow, my "social conservative" friends can't see that. They are VERY suspicious of anyone not a Christian, and in fact not even the RIGHT KIND of Christian.

    Which makes me a RINO apparently because I don't attend a church, and am a non-theist.

    I really wish the founders had amplified the 1st amendment to state that "in all matters of government and office holders, no laws or statutes can be created that have a basis in religious views or someone's interpretation of sacred literature or the bible".

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  4. jadez3:49 AM

    belief is not reality.
    saying you believe in something does not make it so.

    saying you believe is god means as much as someone saying they do not believe in god.

    neither person makes it so by saying or believing it.

    99% of all criminals believe in god.
    that includes murderers child molesters wife beaters and child abusers.

    if people REALLY believed in god why would they try to harm those that didnt?
    why are people who believe the "most" the ones that try the hardest to harm those that dont?

    what is it that makes those people so insecure about their beliefs?

    it is not possible to believe in god "more " then someone else.

    once you say you believe you believe as much as anyone else.

    thats important because those who believe actually give their money and power to others who claim they are closer to god because they believe harder and more.

    what makes people who believe in god so stupid that they would give billions of dollars to anyone who claims they speak with god or starts up a tv ministry??

    why would god want you to join a christian dating site for cash to meet gods choice for you rather then just arrange a godly intervention?

    geez....it never ends

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  5. Anonymous3:50 AM

    Funny, but I don't see entire cable channels operated by atheists which scam millions of their SS checks and hard earned bucks by appealing to their insecurities, lack of education and naivete, selling them something pie in the sky that will never, ever happen.

    I live in an area where a lot of churchers come around trying to "save" souls by knocking on your door. I don't argue w/them, just right off the bat tell them flatly that I am not interested, don't even engage in conversation. You'd be surprised at how fast they get out of my doorway. I found out that if I tell them I'm an atheist first, they start to try to teach me the "errors of my ways" and I'm just not having any of it--I was subjected to it enough as a child both from the Catholic and evangelical protestant viewpoints.

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  6. My long-held position is to -- Occupy Atheism.

    As one by one the physical OWS demonstrations are being ruthlessly dismantled, we must
    OCCUPY THE IDEAS that OWS represents.
    Ideas are stronger than authoritarian forces.

    So stay strong my fellow OWSers & Atheists. Don't let the bastards wear you down. They are more scared of us than we are of them.

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  7. Anonymous4:49 AM

    If there are not any atheists allowed in the Boy Scouts, couldn't the argument be made that 0% of atheists are child molesters or pedophiles?

    Just sayin'

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  8. After reading the article closely it seems to me the focus of the study was not distrust of actual atheists but rather hypothetical atheists. The irony of asking a person if they trusted a hypothetical was apparently lost on the surveyors.

    That is, they didn't ask the survey group if they trusted a person they just met and then revealed he or she to be an atheist, or Baptist or whatever, they asked how they felt about someone with those labels and quelle surprise the responses were on par with asking NY Giant fans if they trusted Philadelphia Eagles fans.

    Back in the 19th century one common definition of faith was "that upon which a man is prepared to act"- in other words, one's actions are the only true measure of one's beliefs.

    Shakespeare's roses come to mind.

    ps thanks again for the change in tack, Gryphen

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  9. Anonymous5:16 AM

    What is "Nation", the #5 rank on the list of inmates? "Nation of Islam" maybe? Not snark, I really don't know.

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  10. Anonymous5:18 AM

    So when are the pro-athiest rights movement going to blow up?

    We get to enjoy a huge in-your-face put the Christ-back-in-Christmas campaign and Facebook re-postings about how Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and if we don't show our brothers we love him he won't have our back with his father?

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  11. Anonymous5:49 AM

    The bigger deal someone I meet makes about being a Christian, the less I trust them. I figure if you are really living a Christian life, you don't have to point it out to others. I am not a Christian, but the Christians I respect are those who walk the walk. If you have to tell me, you're not doing it right.

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  12. Anonymous5:59 AM

    Alrighty, then. We all convert to Hari Krisna and our crime problem will be solved.

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  13. Anonymous6:23 AM

    I asked my father once if he considered himself a Christian. He answered "To be a true Christian, one needs to be 'Christ-like' and follow all of His precepts; I consider myself as one who is trying to be a Christian". This from a man who asked the blessing before every meal in our house, who went to church faithfully and supported it financially,(a prostestant denomination with progressive tenets and a strong belief in social justice) and showed by his every action and interaction that he was trying to be a Christian. He didn't have to tell people. His actions spoke louder than any words.
    I lost my belief in my twenties and now consider myself an agnostic, leaning towards atheism. My distrust of many evangelicals and fundies goes deep, and I have absolutely no use for them. They have the "nerve" to call themselves Christians, for their own actions truly do speak louder than words, and belie that which they profess to believe....blech.

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  14. Anonymous6:25 AM

    A study with only 351 subjects? A conclusion with an inflammatory spin?

    Stupid.

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  15. Anonymous6:42 AM

    Interesting to compare percentage imprisioned with percentage of US population.

    Protestant: 51%
    Catholic: 25%
    Native American 1.5%
    Jewish 1.7%

    MicMac

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  16. Anonymous6:42 AM

    Actually Gryph, the training and requirements (celibacy form women) and recruitment does attract pedophiles. They were also likely to be the victim of pedophiles themselves. So.., I have two sons - they have been told to stay far, far away from all Catholic priests. I would NOT let one into the same room as my kids. Period.
    And now my stupid mofo state is using my tax dollars to pay for CAtholic education. I morally object to being forced to supply victims to pedophiles.

    But this is the same state that wanted to defund Planned Parenthood because it was a use of tax dollars many people disagree with.

    WTF is wrong with this picture?

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  17. Anonymous6:44 AM

    I prefer trusting someone who just believes they should be kind and good to each other,law abiding,honest and truthful,because it is their belief that it is the right thing to do.Not someone who does the same because someone told them to,be it God,a priest,Rabbi,etc.

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  18. Beldar Atheish Conehead6:46 AM

    So, basically, they trust people who are 'good' under threat of eternal damnation more so than they trust people who are 'good' because, well... because it's the right thing to be? By Jupiter, Zeus will punish them all!!

    "I'm not a moor. But I'm moorish."

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  19. Anonymous6:50 AM

    As an agnostic, I tend to "get it" from both sides... While most believers are pretty low key about it and pragmatic about their believes, the RW fundies who call themselves "Christian" (though professing belief systems that are anything but the tenets of the New Testament)are often no better than extremist fundamentalist Muslims or extremists of other religions, including Judaism. At the same time, those among atheists that are militantly anti-Christian show such disdain for believers and agnostics alike that their intolerance marks them every bit as hypocritical. Tolerance-- now that is a grounding philosophy that OUGHT to appeal to the religious and non-religious alike. However, tolerance implies not trying to change the other's beliefs but accepting it. Calling those who hold religious beliefs as "delusionals who can not handle reality" is hardly much better than the Xians who would rage against nonbelievers as "hell-bent."

    That said, tolerance is especially lacking among those RW fundamentalist Xians who hypocritically use any passage found within the Old Testament (ignoring totally Christ's tenets as detailed in the New), to rage against homosexuals, atheists, women who promote gender equality and autonomy over their own bodies.

    Religion and militant ANTI-religion are both problems in this society. It would seem like agnostics could be the bridge, but instead, have become the focus of wrath by both sides.

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  20. Anonymous6:56 AM

    I agree with you totally! Once I hear someone start pushing their christian religion and values, all alerts go up!

    The Republican party reflects so many supposed christians that are anything but!!! No family values, lies, unethical and on and on.

    The numbers of atheist has been rising and I suspect it will continue to.

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  21. Anonymous7:11 AM

    I find the ones who don't trust atheists are the ones who don't understand how someone can be good without the threat of eternal damnation, because they know they couldn't!

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  22. Anonymous7:27 AM

    I read a book about 10 years ago about a forger and thief who targeted Mormons. I don't remember if he was actually a Mormon or not, but once he convinced them he was one they believed anything he told them. He would 'find' rare documents from Joseph Smith and sell them to rich Mormons. When one of his scams started unraveling he decided to blow up whoever was wising up. Unfortunately, he was a better forger than bomber and ended up blowing himself up.

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  23. Anonymous7:33 AM

    i consider myself agnostic...don't identify with anything organized because when you have an organization you have someone in power who doesn't always follow the same rules as those that are dictated. i generally don't base my affection/respect on wether or not a person goes to church. i have in laws(they came with my husband) who are horrible people, but go to church, so it's okay. pffft.

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  24. Anonymous7:57 AM

    Talk about a worthless study of the painfully obvious.

    So, what we learned is: People who lean on religion are less trusting and tolerant of people who don't believe the same thing they do.

    Wow. What a revelation.

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  25. Her is a link from the Freedom From Religion Foundation for atheists to "out" themselves:

    http://ffrf.org/out/

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  26. Anonymous8:12 AM

    A. J. Billing said:

    "Just how insecure can someone be if my non-theism is perceived as an actual threat to their religion or faith?"

    VERY. I'm convinced that at the core of every person who acts this way (and not all religious people do BTW) has an issue where at their very core, they're not entirely convinced that they truly believe.

    These people live in a state of constant fear that if they hear the wrong thing or a bad question is planted in their brain, they will lose the faith that they are so desperately clinging to and their life will suddenly have no meaning.

    These are the people who work hardest to convert or destroy others because either end "reinforces" their beliefs if only by perception.

    It's easier to believe when "everyone else" seems to be going along with it too. But as long as there are those who fly in the face of their beliefs (and could maybe turn out to be right! Damn them!) There's that uncertainty that maybe they'll have to face the idea that made a mistake/were fooled/are wrong.

    When the entire foundation of your life is based on shaky unprovable objects of faith, it's pretty easy to become extremely insecure and paranoid.

    But like I say, religious folk are not ALL that way. I have friends who are believers, and unless you asked them you'd never know. They're just as fun to hang out with, joke with and talk philosophy and politics with and it's not like walking on eggshells around them even when the subject of religion comes up.

    They're secure enough in themselves and their beliefs that questioning them holds no fear, and is even fun for them to engage in. If they don't know an answer, that doesn't mean they're wrong and they never feel that their goal is to try and convince you of anything. They understand the point and meaning of both faith and free will.

    They may be rare, but they're out there. :)

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  27. hedgewytch9:26 AM

    Wasn't it one of your posts last month that showed which countries had the best living standards and the least crime? And it was the Scandinavian countries like Norway and Sweden that were on the top, countries with very high percentages of non-religious or atheist peoples.

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  28. Every once in a while someone surprises me by telling it like it is...
    YouTube video of a Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIREJVPfQY&feature=share

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  29. Anonymous1:23 PM

    I've had the immorality/athesim discussion with many believers over the years. I live a pretty "christian" type of life, don't cheat, steal, lie, etc. And have morals that many Christians also have.
    What I've never understood, is the idea that people somehow need to "save" others from the evil of atheism, when they don't understand what atheism is.

    I often ask them if Chist was a Christian, and they immediately say "Yes, most definately". Well how could Chist be Christian, if he didn't exist before his life began? Crickets Chirping.

    I also know personally, Catholics who cheat, lie, steal, etc., believing that going to confession "erases" the evil, so they're free to sin again and get in God's graces. How flawed is that line of thinking? One act of contrition can erase a lifetime of sin?

    I find some statistical problems with the study you used, but I understand the point they're trying to make.

    My own family went though a lot of anguish when I chose to be an atheist, but they know me as a person, and respect my decision. They're freaked out because I didn't have my children baptizes, nor given any religious education. I just feel it's their decision to make, and whatever they choose, I know they're decent kids and will respect their choice.

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  30. An European viewpoint12:45 AM

    One of the top philosophers of the Enlightenment, Diderot, wrote a piece called "Dialog with the Marechal's wife" which purpose was to explain to the Marechal's wife, a believer, that atheists could be as moral as believers, because morals were not always the result of a fear of God, and could be an intrinsic human feature.

    When I studied this text in my teens as a highschool assignment, I thought : yeah right, why do we have to study such oldies, as if anybody of sound mind would say that atheists are inherently immoral beings in the 20th century".

    I'm not surprised that people who distrust atheists have trouble reading the US Constitution as it really is - without mention of religion - since it, too, is a manifest of the Enlightenment.

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  31. Anonymous5:11 AM

    look, you are either an atheist or you are a believer... there is no agnostic.

    because basically what you are saying is -- i lack the knowledge that there is a god, and therefore, if there was 'i'd believe in him'

    i'm an atheist who doesn't give a rat's ass if there is a "god" but i know for a fact that whatever "it" may be, it's not the god of israel and the ridiculous things in the bible and even if there was, he could kiss my ass...but there isn't, so i do not acknowledge the existence of a god or gods.

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