Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Andrew Sullivan ponders whether President Obama set a contraception trap for the religious right. (P.S. I think he did.)

Courtesy of the Daily Beast:

The more Machiavellian observer might even suspect this is actually an improved bait and switch by Obama to more firmly identify the religious right with opposition to contraception, its weakest issue by far, and to shore up support among independent women and his more liberal base. I’ve found by observing this president closely for years that what often seem like short-term tactical blunders turn out in the long run to be strategically shrewd. And if this was a trap, the religious right walked right into it. 

Take a look at the polling. Ask Americans if they believe that contraception should be included for free in all health-care plans and you get a 55 percent majority in favor, with 40 percent against. Ask American Catholics, and that majority actually rises above the national average, to 58 percent. A 49 percent plurality of all Americans supported the original Obama rule forcing Catholic institutions to provide contraception coverage. And once again, American Catholics actually support that more controversial position by a slightly higher margin than all Americans, with 52 percent backing it. So on religious-freedom grounds, the country is narrowly divided, but with a small majority on Obama’s side. 

And on the issue of contraception itself, studies have shown that a staggering 98 percent of Catholic women not only believe in birth control but have used it. How is it possible to describe this issue as a violation of individual conscience, when no one is forced to use contraception against their will, and most Catholics have already consulted their conscience, are fine with the pill, and want it covered? This is not like abortion, a far, far graver issue. Even the church hierarchy—in a famous commission set up by Pope John XXIII to study birth control—voted to allow oral contraception under some circumstances, only to be controversially vetoed by Pope Paul VI in 1968. And the truth is, there is no real debate among most actual living, breathing American Catholics on the issue, who tend to be more liberal than most Americans. They long ago dismissed the Vatican’s position on this. And after the sex-abuse scandal, they are even less likely to take the bishops’ moral authority on sexual matters seriously.

I have already gone on record as saying that Obama planned this out, knowing full well that the GOP could not resist rising to the bait, and I stick by that.

Ultimately it has demonstrated just how dismissive the Republicans, and their most rabid base, the Religious Right, are when it comes to the needs and health concerns of American women. Which all of us have always known, but which deserves clarification every now and then.

I expect that this will suddenly make women all over the country wake up to realize that only ONE political party is looking out for their needs.

The other side fantasizes about a time when women were seen and not heard, and when they had no voice in the political arena.

54 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:36 AM

    Dick Morris also says that Obama set them up.

    He did.

    Beautifully.

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  2. Anonymous8:38 AM

    Yes, this confirms what we have come to know:

    -- GOP is willing to use evil tactics
    BUT
    -- Obama is v intelligent; GOP is not

    BRAVO, President Obama!

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  3. Anonymous8:47 AM

    If you believe, as I do, that certain issues with foregone conclusions -- like contraception, choice, gay rights -- are actually code words for the racism of The Southern Strategy, then you can see how clever the RW thought it was being to make this big kerfuffle.

    Unfortunately for the geniuses of the RW, codeword or not, contraception rights are pretty fully protected these days, it appears. One can hope that civil rights are similarly protected by most Americans.

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  4. Although a republican in the past, it's archaic logic not to believe in contraception, for the world today. Sarah Palin herself has daughters that represent, the fallacy of abstinence. Republicans will continue to falter, unless they wise up to current society & respect women.

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  5. With the ease in which he 'compromised' sending the right wing down the path of extreme maddness, I think that he did.

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  6. Anonymous9:05 AM

    As a catholic, I probably know 3 women, aside from my Mom, (14 kids later) who never used some kind of birth control.
    How can people NOT see that stopping the suprise babies BEFORE they become part of the welfare system Repubs hate to support, be in support of trying to control the use of birth control.
    I just don't get it. What next voting rights for sperm?
    Oh and OK it appears the Palin's which I thankfully don't know personally (thank god) don't use birth control...haha
    go Willow, hope your new BRANCH is as cute as you are.

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  7. I figured the actuarial tables made the best argument for Pres Obama's position: It costs far less to provide contraception and other reproductive health care than it does to not provide it; so much less that the insurance providers are willing to do it for free.

    Therefore, it seems to me, that the opposite position can be seen to be oppression of women - which we all know is the true underlying agenda of the GOP-TeaBagger-RightWingReligionists.

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  8. Smirnonn9:09 AM

    Played 'em like a fiddle. Watch closely for a lot more of that in the months to come.

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  9. Anonymous9:24 AM

    howard Kurtz, who believes someone died and made him 'God' of reporting/journalism, etc. and who I believe is a total douchebag -- has a segment on DB TV saying Sullivan is wrong and that Obama is losing the Culture Wars. Kurtz is a total idiot -- devoid of a brain but desperate for attention.

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  10. Now they want to ban Porn too. Boy, the GOP sure knows how to pick winning issues!!!

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  11. Anonymous9:30 AM

    O/T

    See the Mormons are still running their scam as Romney did to his father-in-law 14 months after he died.

    Posthumous Proxy Baptisms --

    "Helen Radkey, a former Mormon who lives in Salt Lake City, discovered on Friday on a genealogy website restricted to Mormons that some individuals had submitted the name of Nobel Peace Prize winner and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as "ready" for a posthumous proxy baptism. The names of Wiesel's father, who perished in the Holocaust, and his maternal grandfather had also been proposed for proxy baptism, according to Radkey. By Monday, the records had been changed to read "not available," Radkey said. This discovery comes despite an agreement by the church to stop the ritual of proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/proxy-baptism-elie-wiesel_n_1274271.html

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  12. Gryph --

    My apologies that this is O/T but I'm beside myself about these vile, ingorant comments by Liz Trotter about women in the military. What a bitch.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202140005?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+County+Fair%29

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  13. Anonymous9:33 AM

    OT, but closely resembles your militia in Alaska!
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/hutaree_lawyers_argue_militia_was_just_a_social_cl.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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  14. You know, many women have their "tubes tied" because their most recent pregnancy almost fucking killed them.

    Again, this is all about controlling women and denying their personhood.

    There is a special circle of hell reserved for these fuckers. (That is, if I believed in hell...)

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  15. Anonymous9:41 AM

    OT...another slam to Todd and Sarah's friends...
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/judge_wont_toss_weapons_evidence_in_schaeffer_cox.php

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  16. LoveAndKnishesFromBrooklyn9:43 AM

    NUO (Never Underestimate Obama).

    Had an interesting conversation with a friend--a lifetime Republican who hasn't choked down the RWNJ KoolAid--over the weekend. He's disgusted with what his party has become, and then he shocked me with: "The worst is this birth control thing. What a woman does is HER OWN business. Separation of church and state! When are they going to focus on the REAL issues and get things done--jobs, the economy, etc.?"

    I struggled with almost falling over or hugging him. I wonder if we'll have a new Dem vote this year?

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  17. Anonymous10:02 AM

    Andrew is having a live chat about this on his blog...right now.

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  18. hedgewytch10:03 AM

    I just love it when the Pres does that. Punked them again. Putz's.

    BTW, I had a conversation recently with a young man who was one of those "progressive liberals" who are so disappointed with Obama that he is considering Ron Paul. I literally laughed in his face and told him to grow up. That life isn't about instant gratification and we can't turn back 40 years of focused democratic deconstruction in 4, but Obama has been doing amazing with what he has had to work with. And I suggested he look beyond the surface of Ron Paul and see just what a delusional nut job he is and how completely unobtainable some of Paul's positions are. I think I surprised that young man and made him reconsider his position about Obama not getting enough of the progressive agenda realized.

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  19. Anonymous10:18 AM

    I don't know one person who is siding with the Republican's on this issue. Not even my Fox luvin' relatives who hate Obama. I think the GOP stepped in some really smelly doggy do.

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  20. Anonymous10:34 AM

    If religious insitutions want to run businesses - then they need to behave as a business and not a religious insitution.

    What if their moral conscience tells them that women should not work outside of the home, and certainly should not be considered for management positions, or need to be paid as well as their male counterparts who in their religious beliefs are the head of the household?

    This contraception fight is a slippery slope trying to undo all of the rights we have fought for in the past.

    What if Mormons still clung to their beliefs that Blacks were inferior and could not be given certain positions in church owned businesses due to their moral beliefs?

    If the churches want to cling to their substandard morals - then they need to stick to preaching them from the pulpit and not reaching out into the business sector.

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  21. Anonymous10:37 AM

    If it truly is cheaper to offer insurance with contraception coverage - then I hope the insurance plans charges the religious groups a good amount for their coverage without the contraception.

    I bet if their bottomline showed a huge discount to cover it - the churches would conveinently overlook their morals and take the discounted insurance.

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  22. Anonymous10:45 AM

    So Joe Scarbourough hada point yesterday. the decline of a country is always identifiable in retrospect. Britain and US are just two examples. WW2 really did start a slow death for us.

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  23. Anonymous11:25 AM

    it was a brilliant move by our President - he is playing 3 dimensional chess, while the repugs are playing checkers

    :)

    Obama 2012 landslide!

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  24. Anonymous11:26 AM

    All the libs are laughing about how this is a great kung foo move by the president! But is it a self inflicted kick in the nuts?
    It is clear that the wasting of sperm and eggs is not what was intended by the creator!!! How could the earth be overpopulated as the creator intended if all the sperms and eggs were wasted?

    Even more worrisome than all the human sperm being wasted by condoms and the pill, some people are looking at porn! This is next on the agenda for the I'm Right Wing! to fix! They have been studying the problem for quite a while, in their parish offices and wherever else they can study this stuff in private!

    Also rearing its' head into the airspace between their ears is the wastage of acorns (which resemble fertilized human eggs)! All over the nation billions of acorns are killed by being eaten by squirrels! The acorns could have grown into oak trees if they hadn't been aborted by the squirrels and other baby tree killers! There would be no shortage of bonfire wood (to burn the porn and whatever else needs burning to protect the nation) if all these acorns grew into trees!

    It is clear that the state of Alaska can lead the way in the acorn rescue effort. It's not too late! Put Corey and Creepy Chuck in charge of predator control (squirrels and deer not to mention wild turkeys) in the new nation wide effort to save our nuts before it's too late!

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  25. Anonymous11:41 AM

    This is another situation where I just have to give up trying to understand the right wing pathology.

    I mean, these guys are all about the "not giving someone else's money to lazy [bla..] people who don't want to work" and "Liberals are dependent on minority votes to survive" yet they want to make it harder for those same stereotypes they invoke to avoid making more baby stereotypes to "ruin America"?

    How does that make any sense at all? You'd think, if the right wing *really* believes the crap they desperately attempt to find non-offensive ways of communicating publicly, they'd LOVE the idea of birth control being handed out on the streets like candy, wouldn't they?

    Is it all really just a game to them? Is it really just about "winning" at all costs, no matter the damage to the country and their honor, dignity and reputation? No matter if they're fighting against their own interests and the ideals they spouted last week or last year? Regardless of how stupid, hateful and obstructive it makes them look?

    What's wrong with those asshats?

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  26. Anonymous11:44 AM

    When the Catholic bishops stopped molesting little boys, then maybe-just maybe-they can dictate morals to us.

    Until then...they should STFU.

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  27. Anonymous11:48 AM

    Make the churchs pay taxes already.

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  28. Anonymous11:51 AM

    10:37 AM said: "If it truly is cheaper to offer insurance with contraception coverage - then I hope the insurance plans charges the religious groups a good amount for their coverage without the contraception.

    I bet if their bottomline showed a huge discount to cover it - the churches would conveinently overlook their morals and take the discounted insurance."

    THAT was absolutely the most brilliant thing I've heard all day!

    OF COURSE, insurance companies should charge religious institutions MORE! It makes perfect sense and fits with the actuarial tables. The right wingers absolutely could not argue against it! It's completely FAIR and justifiable!

    Of course, they'd claim "religious persecution", but it would be their own damn fault!

    Oh man, just picturing that put me in such a great mood! Thanks 10:37, whoever you are! :)

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  29. Anonymous12:10 PM

    FYI -- Great piece!

    Palin slammed for the fraud she is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-lamb/cpac-2012-sarah-palin_b_1274805.html?ref=politics

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  30. President Obama played them like a Stradivarius! Ran a big, ol' Night Crawler under their noses and they were too stupid to NOT bite! Hahahaha! Score another Ninja move for our awesome President. He's a brilliant sight to behold when it comes to out-maneuvering the Baggers. Though, in fairness, it's like a master Chess player out-maneuvering Candyland ... with a three-year-old.

    Landslide!!!

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  31. Anonymous1:13 PM

    The stats show that many, many Catholic women take the pill. I was one who took it when it first came out - a Catholic - and the priest said he would not marry us if I was on the pill!!!! Guess who is no longer a Catholic! This was back in 1962!!!

    Kids/young adults are smart NOT to have children when newly married. No wonder there were and are (I ended up divorced) many Catholic divorces. Their rules are of ancient rules - as are the horrible far right in the Republican party. Absolutely unbelievable to watch and listen to their antics. Hopefully, the majority of the assholes (in Congress/House especially) will be voted out this next election cycle. They DO NOT represent the people (women especially) and are all older, fat, white MEN talking about women's reproductive rights.

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  32. Techgnome1:53 PM

    The 98% of Catholic women statistic is just plain wrong.

    http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2012/02/how_to_lie_with_statistics_exa_1.html

    The survey was limited to women between 15-44. Ah, well, that explains how we weren't including the elderly, but it also means that the silly "percent of all Catholic women" thing should be chucked out right from the beginning. More strikingly, as Neil pointed out to me after looking up the study, it excluded any women who were a) not sexually active, where that is defined as having had sexual intercourse in the past three months (there go all the nuns), b) postpartum, c) pregnant, or d) trying to get pregnant! In other words, the study was specifically designed (as the prose discussion on p. 8 makes explicit, in bold print) to include only women for whom a pregnancy would be unintended and who are "at risk" of becoming pregnant.

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  33. Anonymous2:08 PM

    Ah, Valentine's Day...

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/Lupercalia-day.htm

    They _always_ lie...

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  34. Anonymous2:15 PM

    Anon 12:10
    FYI -- Great piece!

    Palin slammed for the fraud she is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-lamb/cpac-2012-sarah-palin_b_1274805.html?ref=politics

    ------------

    I agree!!

    Note the writer, Christopher Lamb.Professor of communications, College of Charleston, appears to be author of a new book on Palin: 'The Sound and Fury of Sarah Palin'

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  35. Interesting article. the sheer rigidity that many (not all, i dont want to stigmatize)in the Church hierarchy and conservative christians show towards social issues is appalling. They can't frame it as an attack on religious freedom now that religious institutions are exempt, so they plan to go after a woman's reproductive rights. I don't think obama purposefully baited the right, but he's certainly in a better position than he was before he proposed the contraception mandate.

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  36. Anonymous2:34 PM

    Sneaky little shits:

    Blunt Wants To Attach Birth Control Amendment To Must-Pass Legislation

    Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) told TPM Tuesday that he wants to attach his contraception amendment to a bill that President Obama has to sign -- which is probably the only way Republicans can get it passed.

    "I'd like to get it on a bill the President has to sign," Blunt told TPM. "But I'd also like to see it debated and voted on, and so we'll just see how that goes."

    He made the remarks after Senate Democrats tore into Republicans for trying to tack the measure on to the bipartisan highway bill. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) indicated that he would allow a vote on the amendment.

    Blunt's amendment goes well beyond his stated aim of letting religious employers refuse to pay for birth control coverage -- it lets any employer restrict access to any service they object to in their health insurance plan.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/blunt-wants-to-attach-birth-control-amendment-to

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  37. Anonymous2:36 PM

    Karen @ 8:56 wrote:

    "...Republicans will continue to falter, unless they wise up to current society & respect women."

    The moment they manage to do that is the moment they stop being Republicans.

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  38. Anonymous2:38 PM

    Planned Parenthood Urges Senators To Reject Blunt Amendment In Contraception Fight

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/planned-parenthood-urges-senators-to-reject-blunt-amendment

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  39. Anonymous2:49 PM

    11:41, don't try to use normal logic.

    The right wing doesn't connect using birth control with preventing unwanted children.

    The right wing connects NOT using birth control with forcing unwanted children on women, to punish them for having non-procreative sex.

    The right wing is anti-choice for the same reason.

    As it never ceases to demonstrate, the right wing doesn't give the teeniest tiniest shit about a poor unwanted child, once it has been born. That child was never anything more to the right wing than ammunition to use against women's continued reproductive freedom.

    They are terrified of and threatened by female autonomy.

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  40. Anon @ 11:44 a.m.,

    I agree! However, I would add that they have forfeited their standing to EVER dictate morals to me or anyone else.

    To be fair, the abuse problem in churches spreads well beyond Catholics. I used to do evaluations on adults with histories of sexual abuse. I heard so many horror stories. A lot of the cases did involve Catholic priests, but several of them also included Protestant clergy members.

    Therefore, IMO, religion has no business dictating their morals to anyone. I, for one, am not listening.

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  41. Anonymous3:35 PM

    I would really like to see the phrases "WAR ON WOMEN" by the Republicans, become a catchphrase used often in the media.

    And to refer to the self righteous delusional candidate as The Ayatollah Santorum.

    Pointing out that the very suddenly pious McConnell, Boehner and company, are so transparent in their act, is certainly due as well. Those guys are about as religious as they are kindhearted and caring of others. (ie: not in the least)

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  42. Anonymous4:03 PM

    That's their jobs program women are taken out of the workforce because they will be having babies every yr or 2. So they only have to make jobs for guys.

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  43. Anonymous4:08 PM

    but it also means that the silly "percent of all Catholic women" thing should be chucked out right from the beginning.
    =============================
    No, it doesn't. 7, 356 is a good sized sample. Of course he elderly aren't using contraception, however, it can be extrapolated that many of them did, based on a sample.

    You want to include nuns in a survey about contraception? rankly it would prove very interesting, as nuns are today, some o the most reasonable educated, and common-sensical people I know, pretty feminist, too. Most of the good sisters, while not using contraception themselves as N/A,would be highly supportive of others doing so.

    Buy a clue, will ya?

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  44. Anonymous4:10 PM

    Interesting article. the sheer rigidity that many (not all, i dont want to stigmatize)
    =========================
    the word you want is generalize or stereotype, and if it is the church hierarchy - male by definition, then it isn't a stereotype - rigidity to dogma is a prerequisite fro membership in this robe-wearing old boys club.

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  45. Anonymous4:11 PM

    Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO)

    Today it was noted that Blunt's own state of Missouri has language almost identical to this executive rule,. Yet Blunt NEVER brought it up, until the President made a similar rule. Hypocrite.

    Ditto New Hampshire

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  46. Anonymous4:15 PM

    This is a comment by NHBill on Huff Post that is so brilliant I am reposting it here so we all can marvel:

    The timing of this issue was perfect! Right after Santorum wins three states in a row The White House drops this issue which rallies Catholics and Fundys around Santorum weakening the "Severely Conservati­ve" Romney.

    Since this issue dropped Santorum has pulled AHEAD of Romney in national polls!!

    The Republican­s are split and Romney must now spend vast sums of money to defend against Rick.

    Yet come November NO One will be voting on this issue.
    No One!
    98% of Catholic Women use contracept­ives.
    98%!
    They clearly do not care what any of these men have to say.
    It was Political Chess-mast­ery by the White House.

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  47. Anonymous4:33 PM

    Yessssss! Obama DID play them.

    AND: I don't see it mentioned often enough that MANY Catholic institutions already offered contraception meds in their insurance.

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  48. Anonymous4:46 PM

    As the election nears it will be interesting to see the polling on ethnic and social groups of women who are Catholic and by that qualifier conservative, but who, like most American women, take family planning (birth control) seriously in their lives, and to see if they resent the woman bashing that the Republicans have taken to new heights in the last 3 or so years.

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  49. Anonymous5:15 PM

    Wake up ladies!......suffrage is in jeopardy.........!

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  50. Anon @ 3:35,

    Great comment! We should add an explanation of "The Ayatollah Santorum" as the #2 definition of Santorum on http://spreadingsantorum.com/ and add "War on Women" as a synonym.

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  51. Anonymous5:08 AM

    10:03 am. You handled your conversation with the disaffected young "progressive" much better than I could have. Bravo! Ron Paul is a racist with ties to the KKK and I'll never be able to forget that. Besides, that idiot Rand Paul is his son. One should not have to say more.

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  52. Anonymous5:53 AM

    It always stuck in my craw that I had to pay so much for birth control, but my husbands various scripts were practically free.

    I mean, it would only save the insurance company money if I got cheap birth control, right?

    Then I realized, the insurance companies know that someone like me would go ahead and pay for the BC, regardless of the costs.

    Win-win for them.

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