The 45-year-old wife of Jim Bob Duggar took to the stage at a conference, which aired in the season premiere of their reality show 19 Kids and Counting, where she spoke to other Christian women about her success story. The deeply religious couple focus on their beliefs in each episode of the show, and Michelle used her faith to help try to lead other women into the same happy marriage she has.
Here are the guidelines that the woman who has a clown car for a vagina gave to those in attendance:
* A Husband Needs A Wife Who Accepts Him As A Leader And Believes In His God-Given Responsibilities”: Husbands are commanded to govern their wives; God works through a man’s decisions — good or bad; Bad decisions reveal his needs and allow the wife to appeal and demonstrate Godly character; The more a wife trusts her husband, the more careful he will be in giving her direction; Never ask others for counsel without your husband’s approval; reassure your husband that you understand and believe that he is your God-given leader.
* A husband needs a wife who will continue to develop inward and outward beauty: How can you become more of the wife of your husband’s dreams?; discover and conform to your husband’s real wishes; explain your hairstyle to others on the basis of your submission to your authority; separate your “rights” from your responsibilities.
* Ask your husband to define your responsibilities; Ask your husband to tell you when you have a resistant spirit; dispel a backbiting tongue by silence.
I come from a long line of VERY independent women, and I can tell you right now that I have NO respect for a woman who allows herself to be treated like a second class citizen by her husband.
I always thought that a perfect marriage was between equals, not a woman in indentured servitude to a man.
You know maybe if this woman developed a backbone she would not have spent her life popping out kids like a Pez dispenser.
That is just ridiculous!
These f'ing people live by the standards of 1800, when families desperately needed offspring and trusted relations to work their land & harvest crops to stay alive.
ReplyDeleteInstead, they contribute to the downfall of the world with overpopulation.
Ignorant sanctimonious IDIOTS !
(now have a lovely day)
Think of it as fundy S&M. I am pretty sure they do.
ReplyDeleteSpoken like a true woman of the Eighteenth Century. One of our Founding Mothers for sure.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Michelle Duggar is barefoot? Does she have to ask her husband's permission to vote? Does she vote for whomever he tells her to vote for?
People like the Duggars must have blacked out the strides of the Twentieth Century, especially the rights achieved in the past fifty years.
And they get a reality show to use as a platform for their religious and social agenda, little realizing that a lot of people tune in to watch this strange family in its natural habitat, like zoo animals.
(Frankly, I find them very disturbing.)
Does this sound like a S/M relationship to anyone else? Except I don't see any "safe word" when the submissive is pushed past her physical or emotional boundaries.
ReplyDeleteI think those kids are raising each other. Mom's attention is focused on the newest, most tiny, dependent baby. The grown-up babies that can walk and talk just aren't as cute and helpless.
I wonder if she'd stop having babies if her television show went off the air. This is just pathetic. How can the faux-Christian fundamentalists in this country decry Sharia law when that is what they are trying to establish here?
ReplyDeleteThis Quiverful "because the darkies are coming for us" Movement is appalling. I don't know what marriage service they had, but nowhere in my wedding vows was I told to "obey" or be subservient to my husband.
ReplyDeleteDuggar is asking for a world of problems after menopause. She should get her vagina yanked out now before it kills her. My Mom had four children and had many problems with uterus prolapse. The doctors could not do much for her; none of those "guards" would fit her.
I didn't mean to get so graphic. Apologies to all with sensitive stomachs.
I do like this:
ReplyDelete"explain yourhairstyle to others on te basis of your submission to your authority." Now, first wtf does that even mean, and secondly, is she telling us even her HAIRSTYLE is determined by her loving husband, after he consults with God? Somehow I think God is a little busy with famines and wars and doesn't give a flying fig what her hair looks like. But to these dominionists, rule over others is key. They have all these kids so they have their own little army. I was the oldest of six, and my mom was often ill with the pregnancies after mine, so at the age of five, I was maling peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for my siblings and cleaning up after them. My dad was Catholic, so seven pregnancies in 8 years was expected (she miscarried one, or in the words of the GOP, she 'exterminated one baby like a bug!')
These self-righteous people have been brainwashed by their church, and are only able to afford this many kids due to their TV gig. I wonder if 10 years from now one of them will write a book about being a Duggar and slaving away while a child instead of being able to dream, create, and just run around...the girls have all become instant mothers to the babies, and the boys are learning all about how to rule the roost. Disgusting, and not God's will at all.
Michelle shouldn't be held responsible for anything she says. Her mind and will has been depleted by the lack of iron she is suffering from all the pregnancies she's endured.
ReplyDeleteAnd could someone tell this woman if she continues to listen to her husband and the voices in her head her flock of children will be motherless and old jim Bob will go looking for a twenty year old to impregnate for the better glory of reality tv.
She could have more if Sarah shows her how to fake a pregnancy.
ReplyDeleteI tried following that advice once upon a marriage and ended up in the battered women's shelter many years ago. Her admonitions are full of S*@^!
ReplyDeleteMany women are "escaping" from the deceptions and dangers of the Quiverfull philosophy and lifestyle that the Duggers adhere to. Read their stories here:
http://nolongerquivering.com/
Totally agree Griffin. I am so tired of the people who keep promoting women and children are just chattel ideology.
ReplyDelete"We-weed up' and 'whacked out' yep, that's our Sarah sounding all presidential. This women is such a vile, toxic harridan.
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OMG! I'm speechless.
ReplyDeleteWhat baffles me is that these people always talk about how they live their life guided by God. They "listen" to God for advice. She had a premature baby who almost died and then a miscarriage. And yet, it never occurs to them that God might be telling them to stop having babies. Funny how they only listen to God when he/she is telling them something they want to hear.
ReplyDeleteSounds like we need an intervention here....she needs rescued from the cult...........
ReplyDeleteThe next time I have a bad hair day I'm gonna blame Jim Bob. Thanks, Mrs Duggar - you've saved my marriage.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Gryphen, for sharing your personal views because it is refreshing and reassuring to hear a strong and confident man wanting strong and confident women in his life. That attitude alone will bolster your daughter's self-esteem and success.
ReplyDeleteA husband is "God's" chosen leader?
ReplyDeleteWhat about husbands who abuse their wives physically, verbally, and emotionally? Are they Satan's chosen leader?
Maybe she and all her kids should join the Santorum campaign against birth control...believe me, she's a perfect example FOR birth control!
Women that tell other women to submit to their husbands are mentally defective.
ReplyDeleteShe's not a woman she's a rabbit or breeder. With so many children they can't pay any tax!. If something happens to one of them think about how many checks the goverment will have to send out every month. Where is responsibility? In the 90's you couldn't even get a glass of water out west if you didn't request one. Lack of water. All the cities that have bans on watering lawns but on specific day for ppl. Now these nuts are telling ppl that the birth rate is down and need every baby conceved to make it. These idoits believe this. Is it fair to hsve 19 children on the insurance? if they have insurance? Why should the rest of society pay for them to keep having children. This why I had only 2 children. I was raised to think you only have children that you can afford. Of course I didn't have a reality show pay us to keep having children. I heard talk about how women should stay at home . They want breeders to keep them with children for labor and anything their hearts desire. This will be the next big industry for corporations child labor. After all this is their jobs plan. They won't need so many jobs if women can't work, they are already defunding public education, so women will havethe responsibity of homeschooling, her brood. The kids will end up taken away and put into the work force or taken because they have too much free time not going to school, can't have idle kids. Corporations and the rich want the children for cheap labor. They aren't making good paying jobs for adults or training them , think about it.
ReplyDeleteI think she's got in wrong. Mrs. Duggar forgot to read further down Ephesians 5:22. Yes, it says, "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church...."
ReplyDeleteBut, it also instructs men: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for Her". These instructions were also a comparison to the how order of the church should be. Christ, husband, and wife. In those days, it wasn't at all unusual for a woman to have to rely entirely on her husband.
At the end it says: "This is a great mystery, but I (Paul) speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband." It says it goes two ways here. One can't work without the other.
I personally know many of these religious type of christians who dress very modestly, don't cut their hair, and might seem to project what the Duggars are, because of how they dress and look. But, the Duggars are the extreme fringe, in that they seem to salivate at the thought of the woman being so extremely submissive to the man. Whether it's a sexual thing or what, I don't know. If the man doesn't care enough about his wife by putting all that wear and stress on her with all those kids, he's not doing his job in the marriage. They are not setting a good example by selling their story for profit. That says they need money and lots of it and have to market their story to be comfortable with all those kids? Where does it say to do that in the bible?
The Duggars are overloading on the "submissive woman" thing. That guy needs to give his wife a big break and send her off on a vacation by herself. He has that cat just ate the mouse look and can't keep himself continent enough to get her pregnant all the time? That's not love. That's slavery. They're absolutely not living that expression in Ephesians.
Again, the Duggars have overriden God's ways by exploiting their "god-inspired marriage" for all to see on highly-paid reality TV show? They are fakes. And she's marketing her "god-inspired marriage" by speaking and getting paid? That's a sham.
What about a husband's responsibility to protect his wife? Having a baby each year is very stressful on a woman's body, does he not care about that? Does he work, or is the TV show supporting their lifestyle? In this enlightened age, where did these people come from? Santorum would love to have the US populated with couples just like these. Un - bloody -believeable.
ReplyDeleteSo she has a baby a year, runs this household, cooks, cleans, and still homeschools? All these children are getting in the way of schooling is lessons in how to dominate if you're male, and be submissive if God made you a girl. We really, really need some rules about homeschooling in this country.
ReplyDeleteAnd, of course, GOD wants you to make money pimping your kids on reality TV.
ReplyDeleteShe needs to put an aspirin between her legs. Stop popping out children you pig. The world doesn't need any more American Taliban members.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't know who brainwashed her, but I sure know that they are brainwashing those kids. Homeschooled, only associate with like-minded families.
ReplyDeleteAlso, it's about time that they really get called out on their anti-pill BS. Fom their website: "They found that while taking the pill you can get pregnant and then miscarry. They were grieved! They were Christians! They were pro-life! They realized that their selfish actions had taken the life of their child."
But it's not "selfish" when she continues to have high risk pregnancies. Those high risks resulted in the last child being extremely premature, with all the problems associated with that. Oh, no. That's "God's will."
Their ultimate selfishness? The premi daughter, when they brought her home, they had a couple, 3 of the oldest kids trained as "EMTs" so that if their premi sister stopped breathing or whatever (she was still on monitors, oxygen etc even though released from hospital), her siblings could give her CPR or whatever until the ambulence arrived. Can you imagine what it would have done to those kids if their sister arrested, they tried to resessitate her & failed and their sister died? Jim Bob & Michelle are the f***ing parents, not the kids. F*** them for shifting that responsibility to their children.
When I was a young wife, there was a series of Bible Study groups aimed at stay-at-home moms. This philosophy she's spouting is just the same as it was in 1980. I actually bought into it briefly, and then realized that I could actually thimnk for myself, amke decisions without my husband's demands, and was a worthwhile person, with or without him. We are still married, but our relationship is based on equality, not some fake messages from God. I pray, but my husband doesn't even attend church, and he is one of the most honest and true people I have ever known. This woman is headed for some real health issues down the road, if the next baby doesn't kill her first.
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for those kids. They are going to grow up to be totally worthless idiots and a drain on society. She should have aborted them.
ReplyDeleteIck. I have been following the creepy saga of the Duggars since I was living in Arkansas and received a postcard pimping Jim Bob's failed Congressional campaign several years ago. It was a photo of his family (there were maybe 14 kids at the time), and the kids were all holding violins and dressed in ridiculous prairie clothing. I thought WTF! Is this a joke? This post highlights their wacky beliefs, but it just scratches the surface of the seemingly endless amount of patriarchal crazy that comes from these people. There is an excellent forum called freejinger.org (it is named after one of the Duggar girls) where members explore these religious nuts and others like them in a snarky way. It is informative and entertaining if anyone is interested in that sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteWhile everyone has their unique views and lifestyles, these people shouldnt be speaking publicly as if their way is the right way. They are not to be condemned though.
ReplyDeleteDont go all closeminded liberal Gryphen. Keep it classy and say, believe what you wish, just keep it private.
I really can't stand the Duggars. They wear those idiotic, unflattering "swimsuits" that cover most of their bodies and condescendingly brag about their modesty, but their crappy show featured footage of Anna Duggar giving birth on a toilet. Seriously.
ReplyDeleteWell, I think it's clear now where the right wing Repub1%can'ts in certain states are getting their ideas when it comes to all of the new personhood laws and restrictions on birth control.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Rhianna is taking notes so that Chris won't be forced to put her in her place again.
The Duggars are an abomination. I wonder if he'll dump her or take a secret second wife when she can't pop any more Jim Bob Jrs out any more.
BTW these people created their own personal church with Jim Bob as the minister so they could live tax free and live off of the gullible's donations to their church. For their "work".
One point about this couple, after the early delivery about 2 years ago, she took medicine to strengthen her uterus so that she could carry another pregnancy to full term. It is reported in news stories. So, on the one hand they say they will take as many babies as God gives them. On the other, even though her body is saying "Enough!" they don't just accept that that is God's way. They want to get to 20 kids one way or another.
ReplyDelete"Husbands are commanded to govern their wives."
ReplyDeleteThat theory is designed to coddle men with small egos and even smaller penises.
Did he REALLY say this:
ReplyDeleteJoe Walsh: Birth Control Debate 'Not About Women' (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/joe-walsh-birth-control-d_n_1288822.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics
I believe that feminism is all about having choices. Though many of us would not choose Mrs. Duggars' lifestyle - it is her choice... AND REALLY NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
ReplyDeleteEvidently, in their world ignorance IS bliss. How very, very sad. I used to live next door to a family like this, they were the main reason we moved. The wife was truly a gem, dumb as a rock, but the sweetest thing. Can't tell you how many times I just wanted to grab her by the hair and smack the ignorance out of her. The hubby was a psychopath. He was the greatest guy on the outside, but I could see the evil in his eyes, and he knew it. He worked really hard on me, but I prevailed--moving helped, too. I still get shivers thinking about this family.......
ReplyDeleteWell we now know that the Palins aren't like this family. We know who wear the pants in the Palin family.
ReplyDeleteHold it! They actually gave a name to their miscarriage? "Jubilee"?
ReplyDeletethere are a lot of sick people in society.
ReplyDeletethis woman having no self worth(probably abused by her father severely)is attempting to prove she has value.
she receives massive amounts of attention and some monies too, so obviously she believes she has succeeded and goes "all in" with the submission crap.
forget the fact that even the extremist right wingers would never do this themselves( though they defend it) why has no one brought up the cost to society that we lost souls create?
i doubt they pay any taxes and probably get monies from the state or the federal government to support this army of idiots.
why in the world this is a tv show is another of those WTF??? QUESTIONS.
i cant imagine the amount of abuse that is going on in this "family" ....how could it not be?
Small-Town ‘Mullah’ Rick Santorum’s Religious Fanaticism; Fraudulent Bigot, Rev. Franklin Graham Refuses To Acknowlege Obama’s ‘Christianity’
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I think she's got in wrong. Mrs. Duggar forgot to read further down Ephesians 5:22. Yes, it says, "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church...."
ReplyDeleteBut, it also instructs men: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for Her"....
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So you think St. Paul knew more than Duggar knows. Well, some people (like me) think both of them are full of it. You cherry pick the "bible" to fit your arguments. The "bible" has instructions for selling your daughter into slavery. The "bible" is no more a good choice for living than the "book of mormon".
She is quite the dope.
ReplyDeleteBecause it seems to bear repeating around here, lest some equate this family with Christian practice universally (I am not saying you personally, Gryphen, but others who habitually turn to knee-jerk condemnation):
ReplyDeleteThese people are far right fundamentalists. They are extremists to the nth degree. Michelle's views may be passionate, but they are first and foremost entrenched because they are sustained in an insular cocoon - by design, and/or by her choice, perhaps. I guess people want to assume she is brainwashed, but then again she seems like a pretty happy lady, if so. She obviously views motherhood as her career, whether people like it or not. Regardless, the Duggars do not represent Christianity as it is practiced, by the vast majority, around the world.
I know you all would love to think these people are typical Christians, but they are not.
I would not present Lubavitcher Hasidim as representatives of Judaism. I would not present Wahabist Islam as representative of all Muslim practice. All of these fundamentalist groups turn to the same holy books as their more progressive and less literally- interpreting counterparts. Doesn't make the groups equal, however.
Let's educate ourselves a bit and stop cherry picking examples to support prejudice and ignorance.
The only reason anyone even knows or cares about the Duggars and the Sister Wives family is because they are basically fascinating (freak) sideshows. They make for good television precisely because they are extreme.
They aren't going to feature mainstream religious practitioners on television for one reason, and one reason only: it would be boring and uneventful.
Stop being led around by the nose by mainstream, profit-making media, how about?
The balanced, fact-based information is out there. It's easy to become hysterical because we have some extremists currently running at the national level and this reinforces the idea that they are "taking over". My hope is that they expose their reactionary views and thus end up being marginalized.
Our President is a mainstream Christian. His entire demeanor and way of life is the best evidence for what typical Christianity looks like. People may not want that to be true because they have axes to grind, but that's how it is.
Once again, I believe President Obama says it best:
ReplyDelete"There are a whole lot of religious people in America, including the majority of Democrats. When we abandon the field of religious discourse—when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations toward one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome—others will fill the vacuum. And those who do are likely to be those with the most insular views of faith, or who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends."
— Barack Obama
I don't care what people believe or don't believe. Actions speak louder than words, in my opinion. These people are selfish, egotistical idiots. What good are they doing for the world? What contributions are they making to society? A crappy reality show and so many kids that they can't even take care of them all - the older kids have to do it for them instead of having childhoods and learning about the world and other people.
Disgusting.
I have watched many of the Duggar epidsodes and I have almost always been impressed with Michelle (bless her heart). JimBob reminds me of my overbearing bro-in-law, so I'm not that into him. I hope that having that many children, however, is a MUTUAL decision and not imposed on her from her leader husband.
ReplyDeleteShe seems truly happy with her choices and her family, and if she wants to take the role of follower and let her husband be the ultimate decision-maker then that's her call. If others want to take her up on her advice, again, that's their call, and if the rest of us want to be how we are, and have equal roles in our marriages, then that's our choice. I don't want to raise my daughters thinking that they have to take a submissive role in their relationships, and I don't want to raise my son thinking he is the ultimate authority in his relationships. I would see that as unhealthy and unfair.
But I have to say again, Michelle is a sweet lady and she's entitled to her opinion.
PS. Does this mean that that silly hair style of hers is Jimbob's desire? Was she subtly telling us that if it was up to her, her hair would be done differently?
I believe you've left out the final stage of a happy marriage: Ask your husband just how far you're allowd to kick his Ass to the curb?
ReplyDeleteHaving so many children is irresponsible. The last one almost died. What happens when Michelle herself dies from pregnancy complications and leaves these children motherless? Ugh.
ReplyDeleteAND, I just went on a nostalgia trip and re-read all of the Little House books. I was struck by Laura's marriage vows. She told the official she would not say "obey" because she had no intention of obeying her husband. This was 1885.
Reminds me of Papa Pilgrim, and that whole sad/sick story.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard of these people before but this is utterly frightening. And from Santorum to this couple, it's very clear that we are one step away from Margaret Atwood's predictions where women are simply breeders.
ReplyDeleteDo these people have money or are they on welfare? I they have money where does it come from? Only Mitt Romeny can support that many kids. And NO WAY are those children getting their needs met. I have 5 cats and there is no way I can give any one of them the affection they need and ask for. And cats are much easier than kids, and she has 3 times and many kids as I have cats. Those kids are going to be f-ed up majorly. And probably all having incest with each other, if the dad is already poking the young girls. Very sorry state of affairs. It's like Israel too, they have their fundamentalist Jews who are also women-haters and breeders and uneducated and all under the guise of being the holy ones. And yet they all condemn the middle east for these things, yet this is what they are themselves. It's all very weird. BUT it is in the powers-that-be best interests if they breed and entire population of dumb people because then they can be frightened and easily controlled. It's just astounding.
poor poor deluded soul.
ReplyDeleteLook at her adoring indoctrinated face.
Look at him. Yuck.
They both must just be glad they found each other as no one else would ever want to have sex with him and not many men want a twat that's been stretched by 20 births. Talk about a hot dog in the hallway......screwing a mayo jar.....
Weirdos.
I made my teenagers watch a few episodes and then we had a really good talk about birth control, sex and opportunities for oneself...
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't agree with how the Duggers choose to live, they have made a great example for my son & daughter with their right to choose.
what in theee fuk ?!?
ReplyDeleteI wish I could say that I pity this woman, but I do not. She has willfully donned a mantle of obdurate ignorance and submission in deference to a hopelessly outdated neo-Bronze Age superstitious view of society. She imagines this as piety and being devout. She's just plain stupid.
ReplyDeleteUsing the bible to justify the social repression of anyone is not piety, it is utter ludimocrosity. The same logic could be used to justify slavery, polygamy, and stoning epileptics.
Nothing pisses me off more than when fundagelicals try to put the imprimatur of Jesus Christ on their own bigotry by citing the social codes from Israel of antiquity. They pick and choose from among the Levitical laws to see which best suits their ignorant conceits. Want to oppress women, gays, and blacks? No problem! We've got biblical verses that endorse all of that ignorance and more!
I just hope that some of her sons and daughters break free from this cult of imbecility and repression and realize that their parents represent the Christian equivalent of the Taliban.
I cannot fathom why some people are so willing to go through life with their brains permanently switched to the "OFF" position.
I see a woman who defines her worth only in terms of her submissive relationship with her husband and the number of children they bring into the world. The fact that their older children have to do a lot of the actual hands-on parenting shows what a bad idea it is to just keep on bearing kids, even at great risk of maternal and/or infant mortality. This also says a lot about him, because it suggests that he predicates his own manhood on her submissiveness.
ReplyDeleteWhat is so sad about this, is that these types of personalities need someone else to "guide" them because they basically have no self-esteem. They do not believe their views, beliefs, needs, etc. are valid without the consent, approval and direction of their Male-in-charge.
ReplyDeleteIt is the ultimate co-dependent relationship. The man gets to feel oh so manly, without nary anyone in his household daring to utter any kind of opinion, direction, statement, etc. that is negative to his own way of thinking.
This is not being a man. A real man is not threatened by his wife's intellectual capability, her sexuality or her "independence". Instead those qualities in his wife should work to make the marriage and family a stronger unit.
I wouldn't have a problem with Mrs. Dugger's "choices" if they really seemed to be her own. But knowing such people firsthand, I doubt she'd be able to form an independent thought if her life depended upon it.
An how utterly unprepared those children will be if they are ever asked to function outside of their unreality bubble.
reading this as an ex-mormon, I gotta say that I'm surprised the "christians" and the LDS people don't get along better. They have the same backwards ideas about women.
ReplyDeleteTheir daughters are the ones who will suffer the most in the years to come. Not only are they raising their siblings now, but face a continuing roll by having to churn out dozens of children when they marry. A lifetime of servitude because of their parent's selfishness & false religion.
ReplyDeleteWhile everyone has their unique views and lifestyles, these people shouldnt be speaking publicly as if their way is the right way. They are not to be condemned though.
ReplyDeleteDont go all closeminded liberal Gryphen. Keep it classy and say, believe what you wish, just keep it private.
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TROLL ALERT! Hi Sarah!
In response to Phoebes in Santa Fe...
ReplyDeleteYes, they named the fetus Jubilee Shalom. They also had (and filmed) an ostentatious megachurch funeral for her. I think they also had an obituary printed. Michelle wrote/read a letter to the fetus that was laden with a lot of antichoice propaganda, and they gave a lot of interviews about it to the media. After asking for privacy, of course.
"this woman having no self worth(probably abused by her father severely)is attempting to prove she has value."
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Sounds exactly like Sarah Palin! I would only add that she is failing miserably at proving her value.
My take on all this: This woman is mentally ill and should be committed. Jim Bob is an abusive husband and should be arrested. The kids should be taken away by family services and put through those de-brainwashing sessions like they use for kids rescued from cults.
ReplyDeleteI think TLC needs to switch the Duggars from "19 Kidsand counting" to "Hoarders" . These people are truly sick, if someone had that many dogs in their house, they would be taken away and fined, possibly jailed . Think about it.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree with Angela. I just told my husband the other day , that I think Jim Bob is truly trying to kill Michelle with all these pregnancies so he can get himself a new young breeding bitch. Michelle just had a miscarriage, and the last pregnancy almost killed her
The real tragedy is that there's nobody in Michelle's life she trusts to tell her the truth.
ReplyDeleteI have two adult children and their spouses as well as numerous friends who would instantly speak up if they thought I was making breathtakingly stupid decisions about my life. Not that my husband is remotely like Jim-Bob, thank fortune. But nobody in my life would let me lie down and be a victim without a fight.
That picture of Michelle looking up at her husband?
She looks like an old dog that somebody dumped by the road... lost.... uncomprehending. "Are you going to be my human? I don't know where my human went..."
Her life has gone completely off the rails and the only person close to her is telling her it's God's will that she be a victim.
And if she died, he'd remarry immediately and insist his wife have more kids.
It's so sick.
You had a post here at IM last year that explained what the quiverfull movement was all about. It was:
ReplyDelete"Journalist Sarah Jones bravely delves into the world of the "Quiverfull Movement.""
You should post the link as an update for those who have no idea what is being sold by these people on their tv show.
Christians and non-Christians alike should read Proverbs 31 for GOD's illustration of the ideal woman--she has a business, she gives her husband wise counsel and he has full confidence in HER judgement, she runs the household (with domestic help!), she makes independent financial decisions for the family, etc. In short, God's idea woman is a feminist!
ReplyDeleteWhat's the difference between what these people advocate and Sharia law?
ReplyDeleteThe only thing missing in this "women as property" dynamic are the burqas.
She can have as many children as she wants. It's no skin off my back.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it disturbs me that they pay for their big family by putting them on TV. That's abuse. And unrealistic to tell other people that large families are affordable if it takes a TV contract to make it work.
Just wait a few years; intelligent people are thoughtful, want to care for only as many as they can take care of (themselves, not the poor eldest kids) busy and have 0 to 2 kids, usually.
ReplyDeletePeople like the Duggars, and others who really don't care about how many babies they pop out, or father, just keep churning out more and more kids.
According to genetics, education opportunities, and upbringing, what will our population look like in oh, 30 years?
The irony is that they have to turn their lives into a TV circus in order to support this absurd family setup. If it were really working, they would not have needed to resort to such a spectacle. I feel sorry for those kids whose childhood has been stolen by such selfish parents.
ReplyDelete"Obdurate" aahh, new word to look up! Thanks, Gasman! (no snark, I'm serious here) :-)
ReplyDeleteGasman.......you are awesome with your spot-on comment!
ReplyDeleteDuggars are also stumping for Santorum with their Big Bus (Palin-style) and Michelle doing Rob-calls for him.
Old Jim Bob tells people.....
"Republicans are “not going to find a perfect candidate, unless it’s Jesus Christ,” Duggar said.".
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/reality-tv-stars-the-duggars-campaign-for-rick-santorum-in-iowa/
LUDIMOCROSITY!! I love IM and Gasman also too! I'm a Gemini so I adore any blog that entertains, informs AND sends me on delicious word quests!
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ReplyDeleteYou miss the BIG PICTURE. Anyone who puts their life on TV makes it EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. They are just begging for others to chime in. That's what they're getting paid for.
I've been sick of hearing about the Duggar's for years! Why do people think these idiots are newsworthy?
ReplyDeleteToday's math lesson, people, is that if they have way more kids than the rest of us, they soon out-number us, out-vote us, and eventually run the country. Sadly, we're in the middle of that very basic math equation.
ReplyDeleteSadly, as well, my sister-in-law and brother-in-law are in exactly this kind of relationship. They do exist and they are becoming more common.
Just love that look of hopeless adoration on his wife's face.
ReplyDeleteWhat bullshit.
WOW,WOW..I have no words for this..I can just imagine ME talking like that..My 4 sons and husband would think I have lost the very last bit of my mind...holy shit these people are whacked out
ReplyDeleteGryph, just last week you posted several articles about the righties' attempts to stick their noses into the rights of women to utilize birth control. Today, you have posted this article, and over 99% of the comments are about the lefties' attempts to stick their noses into the rights of women to NOT utilize birth control.
ReplyDeleteThe hypocrisy is astounding. Either we believe in live and let live and mind your own business for everyone, or we don't believe in it for anyone – ourselves included. If we have the right to publicly trash women who have a different belief system and choose a different personal lifestyle than ours, then we open ourselves up to allowing others the same rights with respect to trashing our belief systems and chosen lifestyles. We simply can not have it both ways, or we are nothing more than a mirror-image of the extreme right wing, an exact clone of what we find to be reprehensible. We are blindly destroying our own position by what we are doing here.
I would never choose the Dugger's lifestyles. However, I do not see evil, lies, manipulation, and negativity emanating from them (unlike a certain family in Alaska). Moreover, I do not see them attempting to forcibly impose their views on others (having a website where they express their opinions is their 1st Amendment right, just as it is our 1st Amendment right to post our opinions here).
The Dugger children and their parents seem happy, hard-working, and to enjoy one another's company. The children look like the kind of children I would enjoy being around. Hurray for them all, and shame on us for mocking their right to choose their own religious beliefs and to have freedom of expression, freedom of choice, fundamental privacy and, yes, the freedom to make money by having their own unfaked reality show. Mind your own business is a virtue that, when broken, sets the violator up for all kinds of unintended similar assaults. I do not want to 'go there'.
The part about not pissing your man off by making your own money and spending the afternoon lounging at the hairdressers sounds pretty good to me ;-)
ReplyDeleteThis has become a running joke around our house since the segments were published. At dinner Monday night I encouraged my partner to pay as I wouldn't want to step on his manhood. He retorted with "remember, in Michelle Duggar's world headaches are never an option".
Oops, I had forgotten that part...
Our President is a mainstream Christian. His entire demeanor and way of life is the best evidence for what typical Christianity looks like. People may not want that to be true because they have axes to grind, but that's how it is.
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I'd be more comfortable with a President that practiced NO religion, but since the majority of Americans proclaim Christianity as their religion we always get a Christian President. If there were more Muslims in America would our POTUSs tend to be Muslim? Same with Judaism; if it were to predominate in the US would we have Jewish President?
I feel as if the Presidents, any of them and all of them, are kowtowing to the religion of the majority because one certainly can't get elected in the US if you are an Atheist or practice a religion that is in the minority.
Case in point, look at all the hoopla created at the possibility of Pres. Obama being a Muslim. Why, that just wouldn't fly here in America now would it? No wonder he says he's a Christian; they all do because they HAVE to.
It's just sick the power that religion holds in our non-theocratically based society and government.
I have been married for 34 yrs, I have one bio child, one living adopted child. Three of our girls we adopted had CF and had very short lifespans ( I still miss them).
ReplyDeleteMy husband and I are parteners in every aspect of life, sometimes if he is more knowledgable about a subject he makes the decision and visa versa. Most are made after a discussion and is a joint decision.
We both started dirt por and have built a loving family, 3 thriving businesses and are both still madly in love, the only brood mares in our family are out in the pasture and I would NEVER breed them 21 times EVER.
It's enough to gag a maggot.
ReplyDeleteI wouldnt even want my dog to look at me like that... Nobody deserves that much adoration.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, Anon at 9:29, but I don't see anyone calling for the forced sterilization of these people and their offspring. This crazy family puts their lifestyle choice up there on TV (so much for your "fundamental privacy"!), they run around making speeches in an attempt to convince others to emulate their sick lifestyle, and they stick their crazy noses into our political process, advocating dominionism and a sick theocracy. All of that means that we certainly have the right to comment on what they are doing and preaching. They are trying to take away our freedom of choice, our freedom of religion, and you tell us to sit down and shut up while you shout "Hurray for them"?
ReplyDeleteYet it actually goes beyond that. We are living on an overcrowded planet hurtling toward self-destruction, and these crazy, selfish people have 19 children! This mindset is a threat to our planet's survival, as are the people who preach it. That sure as hell gives me the right--no, the duty!--to push back and say, "Shame on YOU."
I remember seeing this show when it was fairly new, and it was presnted in a "cute" documentary format, kind of like an old newsreel. Jim Bob and "the boys" (who ranged in age at that time from about 4 to 16) were "building" that huge house you see in the background. On their own. Being taped by TLC. Oh...for sure! Then they "ran into a few problems" and couldn't meet the deadline when they had to leave their other house. Gee willikers, what to do? TLC came to the rescue of course, sending in professional contractors and finishing it for them: outfitting the place with a full, commercial kitchen that would be the envy of a 5-star restaurant; an in-home laundromat (that the little slave girls use); huge playroom with all the latest electronic goodies; etc. etc. etc. Michelle kept saying how the boys "built the house themselves--with help from their friends at TLC."
ReplyDeleteThere's gold in them thar chillun!
On the TWOP* forum, I read that Dad often bragged about how HE has all these children and NO debt--I think he's a minister of the Quiverful movement; probably takes donations and pays no taxes since it's a cult...er, "religion." And now they have a nice income from their reality show, which most people who yearn for a brood that needs its own zip code do not.
And, yes, I believe that the Quiverful husbands ARE allowed to look for a fresh young chickie if Mom is no longer able to reproduce--or just wilts from exhaustion. I kid you not--which is why Momma probably keeps trying her best to crank them out before her Master drops her like a hot rock, along with a lucrative TV deal. And this is supposed to inspire young women to follow the same creepy path?
More babies = more wage slaves for the rich. And more little warriors for Jebus.
*TelevisionWithoutPity.com
If she were to say: I feel my husband needs a wife who... or I ask my husband... then I would say more power to you.
ReplyDeleteThese are her choices - no one should pass judgement.
These are not MY choices - no one should pass judgement.
9:29, I would normally agree with you, but your post has some very obvious omissions.
ReplyDeleteThe first being that Jim Bob and Michelle's income comes from HAVING A TEE VEE CAMERA Record everything they do! They regularly sell themselves and their children to the tabloid media, film their son's honeymoon, and their fetus's funeral, and appear on talk shows when they have a miscarriage , write a book, or become grandparents. This family has absolutely zero limits on how far they will go to sell them selves and their children and concurrently proselytize about their religion and choices.
They use their "fame" to promote the Quiverfull movement, tell everyone God says not to use birth control, and keep their older daughters enslaved in their home to parent their younger siblings. I would say it is our business when the Duggars try to present themselves as a model to emulate.
Anon @ 9:02,
ReplyDelete"Ludimocrosity" is a Pogosim coined by Walt Kelly à la his whimsical possum personae de plume, i.e., Pogo.
I would love to see how Kelly would have skewered this crop of festering sanctimonious prigs that so confidently strut about spouting their moral superiority.
"clown car for a vagina" - you crack me up!
ReplyDeleteHurray for them all, and shame on us for mocking their right to choose their own religious beliefs and to have freedom of expression, freedom of choice, fundamental privacy and, yes, the freedom to make money by having their own unfaked reality show. Mind your own business is a virtue that, when broken, sets the violator up for all kinds of unintended similar assaults. I do not want to 'go there'.
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Well, excuse me, the Duggars pimp their offspring in a reality TV show but WE are supposed to mind our own business. If the Duggars don't want comments about their pathetic parenting, then they can get the heck back to private life.
Where you should go is to get some rigorous training in logic, so you don't keep embarrassing yourself.
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Couldn't get water in the west in the 90's unless you asked for it? Not true in CA. I've lived here my whole life.
It's very likely that neither of the Duggar parents really believe the garbage about submission and endless pregnancies being "god's will". Both Duggars have a lucrative TV contract (I'm sure the kiddies get diddly squat) so they will spout whatever "sells" to the fundie crowd.
ReplyDeleteThe Duggar "faith" is that religious posturing sure can make them a ton of money.
Anon at 6:07.
ReplyDeleteI'd take Paul with a pound of salt. He was never an apostle. His (misogynist) spouting is his own PR and the fact the church thought including him in the bible (while excluding others) worked to support their own agendas counts against him. Namely that women are property and should submit to their husbands, barefoot and mouth shut.
I wouldn't take anything Paul says at face value. My Dad taught me not to deal with middle management but go straight to the top. So Paul is out, Jesus is in.
If any biblethumper can support their (warped and twisted) views without using Paul or the old testament, then I'll listen. Otherwise, they're just another Pharisee or false prophet.
I'm always thinking how awful her hemorrhoids must be by now.
ReplyDeleteIt's one thing to have a large family where the older siblings help the younger siblings on occasion but the older girls have no life other than taking care of the little ones, cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. The Duggars never would have had such a large family if the older girls weren't willing to play mother to their siblings from an early age. It's disgusting how they take their childhood away from them, teaching them at an early age that this is all they are supposed to do in life, raise little girls to grow up, get married, take care of babies and repeat the cycle, having as many children as possible. Do they ever stop to think about population control? If each of their kids were to have even half the number of children that they do, they would end up with close to 200 grandchildren. Let's see them remember those names and birthdays! Then the grandchildren go on to have half as many as their parents, they would still have 1000 great-grandchildren!! The only thing that's funny about this is that there is definitely going to be some of their children, grandchildren, etc. that are gay. There's no getting around that one. The percentages are too high. How will they handle that one??
ReplyDeleteDid anyone see the Duggars milk it on Say Yes to the Dress? She bought a dress for renewing vows for their 25th anniversary. Only 18 kids at the time. Jim Bob chose it. Even the sons got in on the act.
ReplyDeleteTalk about women as property.
http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/weddings/michelle-duggar-wedding-dress1.htm
Wake up America:
ReplyDeleteIn restaurants. They wouldn't just fill a glass of water at the table. You had to request it.
Another thing to consider 9:29 is that if these people (and other fundies) truly did believe in a 'mind your own business' mentality the we wouldn't have to be defending birth control, access to abortion, marriage equality, etc. They use their religious beliefs to attempt to dictate what the rest of us can and can't do. Make no mistake, if they had the ability, they would turn our government into a theocracy in a heartbeat!
ReplyDeleteSO, how would mama Duggar explain women like Palin?
ReplyDeleteThis guy does not respect his wife nor her body!!!
ReplyDeleteIf I were her I would have done a Jim Bob-it by now!
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for all the women who watch this show, and tell themselves there must be something wrong with them because they can't keep up with the demands of their life.
ReplyDeleteThe reason for the Duggar daughters' existence is to be fuckable to ensure oodles of kids. They wear their hair long because Daddy likes it that way. They'll wed whomever Daddy approves of. Attractive breeders for the cause.
ReplyDeleteI think this family is a cult.
ReplyDeleteDoes Michelle still have all her teeth, I wonder?
ReplyDeleteShe's already had 3 Caesareans; the last 2 kids couldn't stay in the womb for the entire pregnancy.
I vowed 50 yrs ago I'd never, ever let a man tell me how to live and have always made my own way, even when I had 2 babies and was divorced at 21. Never remarried. It's been very difficult, but I never pimped my kids out or myself, either.
She is so lost. What are the odds that one day one of those kids starts talking about what it was really like growing up brainwashed?
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I love the comments that call for people to go to the Bible and read a passage (for any reason), when what we see here is an extreme case of fundamentalism that's beyond logic. This is exactly like the Amish, where the older girls are forced to care for their siblings, so not only is Mrs Duggar willfully a slave, but her daughters are forced to raise childen when they should BE children themselves.
I'm married to my husband, but we don't own each other nor owe each other to lose our autonomy. I have a daughter and a son, they both know how to use every appliance in the house, how to sew a button, iron, mend socks, cook, do minor household repairs, change the oil etc.
Because we raised our children to be able to take care of their own needs and not have to depend nor demand someone else do these things for them.
We're not living in the biblical ages, when childhood mortality rates were high and having a big family was insurance for our old age and cheap labor to toil in our fields.
This family is a disgrace, but "entertainment" has become a joke, in return they get a new house and a platform to promote their sick lifestyle, along with motivational speaking gigs and sponsorship money. If they were doing this with pure intentions, they wouldn't be on television at all.
As "boring" as my "normal" family is, the last thing I'd do is put money before their well-being. And I wouldn't trade them, warts and all, for the Duggar's sick life.
I've seen that look before - on a cocker spaniel.
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ReplyDeleteSpoken like a true woman of the Eighteenth Century. One of our Founding Mothers for sure.
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Like hell. Look up Abigail Adams sometime.
Want to bet ol' Jim Bobtrades her in for a newer model soon's she's done breedin'. Nobody keeps a dry cow around. Burger, baby, burger.
STU 9:29. While lefties may criticize a very public family, that is NOTHING compared to what the right is doing.
ReplyDeleteAre any lefties trying to legislate Michelle Duggar take birth control? Object rape her if she decides to gestate that next pregnancy?
Backbone? I say she's lazy. She wants to be a follower, someone's shadow, give up her voice that's fine. But to suggest that is a good wife is crap. She will never claim an accomplishment of her own other than cranking out kids- anyone with working equipment can do that. To claim she is being a good mother is a farce as well. She's is training her kids, if nothing else but by her own example, that women are less then men. Her daughters are cheated of their potential in life and her sons are burdened with the additional pressures of maintaining dominance. With the challenges we face, we need more thinkers and less intellectual freeloaders. Women like this creep me out.
ReplyDeleteDo ya really think 'Super Christian' Sarah Palin lives by Ms Duggar's Christian credos for women?
ReplyDelete"Oh Todd, tell me what to do"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha haaaa!
~Canuck~
5:20 "Crystal Sage" .You find these people disturbing, I find them disgusting.
ReplyDeleteThe adoring look that these women give the male in their lives, is sick, beyond belief. (Nancy Reagen had the same look for Ronnie)Makes my stomach turn.
I have noticed this look on the faces of adoring crowds at the camp meetings they have. I watched a program by Hagee once. It was the one and only time i ever listened, and was appaled at the blatent lies being told. Lies that history has proven. The people at this meeting were all,in the same vein as Duggers picture in this article. adoring and believing everything they hear looking up as if God himself was adressing the audience, with a mindless look on all faces.
sick, sick,mindless(by choice)
the duggars are sick and i am very better parent who has a special need child who 13 years old i am hand on mum and i great wife and i am very carer for my husband who is very ill we not get any help from any one i do all the work and my son got very high grades in school
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