Courtesy of ABC News:
A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Okay I am going to call bullshit on this right up front.
Bullshit! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!
There is NO way that this guy had his nose broken. No way!
Here before I continue take a look at the video of his trip to the police station that night, and listen to what the Young Turks have to say about it.
Cenk Uygur is absolutely right here, both about the broken nose AND the blood that should have drenched Zimmerman if he fired the shot while Trayvon was on top of him.
However let me just speak to the broken nose question because I have broken my fair share of noses in my time.
Broken noses bleed like crazy! I cannot even tell you the number of times that I had to wash blood out of my clothes from another person's head wound, and noses are the worst!
I remember once having a scuffle with a guy in high school and punching him just once. I caught him square on his nose and broke it.
You would have thought I had stabbed him repeatedly in the face there was so much blood. It actually scared me that he bled so much.
In seconds it had drenched his shirt, was all over MY shirt, it was on his hands, in his hair, and his faced looked like raw hamburger.
Later when he was cleaned up by the nurse he did not look too bad, but his CLOTHES looked like he had been viciously beaten within an inch of his life. Also his eyes puffed up quite bad and within an hour were almost closed.
THAT is what a broken nose looks like, and THAT is the kind of evidence which it cannot help but leave all over you, and all over the person who did it to you. And once again I did not even address the amount of blood that should have been on Zimmerman from the shooting alone.
I would bet big money that the only blood they will find on Trayvon Martin is his own blood, and I have little doubt that the ONLY blood that will show up on Zimmerman's clothes is the blood of the young man that he shot.
I hope that somebody investigates this doctor thoroughly, and that after they are finished take his medical license away and throw his ass in prison. Because there is NO way this examination revealed what he claims it revealed!
Update from MSNBC:
Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.
The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
"Intermediate range" is certainly NOT close range, which is exactly what Zimmerman contends when he insists that he was being attacked, and was on the ground when he shot Trayvon. Intermediate range means there was some distance and therefore Zimmerman was NOT in any immediate danger.
And the ONLY other injury Trayvon had was a small abrasion on his knuckle? As a person who has broken a nose or two and can assure you there would be much more damage than that.
In my opinion Zimerman's case is falling apart.
I read a blurb about Trayvons knuckles showing bruising....nothing else? Was Trayvon shot thru
ReplyDeletethe back? Please does anyone have the autopsy results that can be posted?
The coroner has been interviewed by many and is on record that there was NO bruising or markings on Trayvon's hands.
DeleteHe reported this in interviews before the tape of Zimmerman walking into the station was released and long before this new BS from a quack DR -- Zimmerman's FAMILY Dr.
Sounds like Zimmerman and Palin have much in common -- A lying Bullshit Doctor - Zimmerman for fake wounds and Palin for a fake birthing.
Actually, it was the funeral parlor guy who prepared his body for burial that said there were no injuries on his hands, not the coroner. The autopsy, they say, does show it. I think all this info from today was leaked from the defense, so I don't believe any of it at this point.
DeleteThere's this (and other news stories out today), about Trayvon's injured knuckles and gunshot wound: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/reports-on-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmerman-dont-answer-one-key-question/2012/05/16/gIQAoLf2TU_blog.html
DeleteIt doesn't matter whether Trayvon hit him or not. If Zimmerman had not followed him, Trayvon would not have needed to stand his ground and defend himself. Period.
DeleteWhat exactly is a "closed fracture" of the nose. It is either broken or it isn't. And yes, a broken nose bleeds like hell.
ReplyDeleteSo does a bullet hole in the chest.
Where is the blood?
Justice for Trayvon!
One where the bones don't protrude thru the skin by being re-arranged by a fist or a windshield or such. Normally called a compound fracture or one not thru the skin a simple fracture...no broken ends tearing up the tissues surrounding it. The bones of the nose are very thin break easily. They can be moved sideways or pushed back without breaking thru the skin. The tip of the nose is cartilage and bends very easy.There are many little blood vessels running in and out of those bones. Many are superficial and thus bleeding is very quick and voluminous.
DeleteThank you.
DeleteSomebody's doctor will have to compare the video of Zimmerman entering police headquarters and his appearance the next day when he had two black eyes and a broken nose. Somehow, if he had a broken nose that night, he should have gone right to the hospital. Waiting a day makes it look suspicious.
ReplyDeleteSO WHAT? It does not prove that Trayvon Martin WAS THE ONE WHO DID IT!!!!! And it also does not prove the TIME WHEN THE INJURY OCCURRED. How do we know that Zimmerman did not get into a fight afterward or beforehand, or get hurt as a result of something else????
DeleteAnd if that doctor did not take a series of close-up photos, it strikes me as a little too convenient. If Zimmerman wanted to prove his case, he should have had the authorities examine his injuries: on the spot.
Oh, how interesting: the chief homicide detective resigned, because he did not believe Zimmerman's story. And that's because Zimmerman was the aggressor from the get-go. His life was never threatened at the beginning, when he CHOSE to get out of his car and pursue Martin.
Even if Martin injured Zimmerman, Zimmerman was the one who put the chain of events in motion. Because Martin was not armed, Zimmerman always had a way of escape, through running; shooting Martin was never essential to the outcome. Martin was entitled to stand HIS ground. JMO.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/27/abc-news-lead-homicide-investigator-did
Zimmerman's father was a Judge. He was called and was at the scene of the shooting. Appears Georgy had some time to call Daddy.
DeleteGeorgy's grown up around legal system and therefore if the nose, eyes and other bullshit injuries were real -- he would have been screaming to have hospital medical attention and photos taken.
This is all a cooked up plan by his father and him. I wonder how much Daddy has paid for all these 'favors'??
Last year, I Fell and cracked the back of my head open. It was a small contusion, but I still required 6 staples.
ReplyDeleteANY open injury on the head is going to bleed like hell due to the density and proximity of the blood vessels to the skin. I lost a fair amount of blood from a wound that left some inch scar on the back of my head.
But that one inch wound left me looking like Carrie after the prom.
Whether or not Trayvon got some blows in and even broke a nose (when I was a kid, I broke my nose in a fight once and it did not bleed at all) is immaterial. When someone pursues you with a gun, you have a right to break their nose. Zimmerman pursued him with a gun. Zimmerman killed him. Zimmerman set the whole scenario in motion with his paranoid and irresponsible action. If Trayvon managed to strike back, it was he, not Zimmerman, who acted in self-defense.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree.
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I'd also like to add that I've competed in martial arts since I was six, so I have 20 years of fighting experience under my belt, I've had my nose broken in a variety of ways and severities, and EVERY SINGLE TIME the blood was subtantial. Sometimes, the nose wouldn't break, but would still bleed. I have been injured in almost every way possible, with the exclusion of breaking a bone. I have taken many beatings in my life.
ReplyDeleteDue to my experience in fighting others who KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, and my work experience as a massage therapist, and a physical therapist, nothing about his posture holds any sign of recent back injury, which in itself is a very vague comment. Was it skeletal? Soft tissue? Either way, if the man hurt his back, you would see it in his posture, in his gate, his face.
Speaking from personal and professional experience, I call shenanigans. SHENANIGANS.
Having a bad back and going through two back surgeries, I could not have exited the rear of the car with my hands cuffed like GZ's were without some assistance. He's certainly not walking or acting as if he's injured.
DeleteAs a fellow sufferer of back problems, I absolutely agree. I'm going on year ten of back pain, it's something I'm used to, but when the days are worse than others, I can barely stand without support of my hands..
DeleteEven if this was a minor injury, it is still fresh, on a man who man not be used to that pain, I agree he shouldn't have been able to slid out of that car with zero indication of pain.
Agree with Chella and AKR. No way Zimmerman could walk upright like that. Period. I know because some of my health issues include soft tissue and skeletal damage in my back. My real problems are L1-S5 and below. If you have never had back issues be very grateful for your good fortune.
DeleteZimmerman's victim "defense" is offensive.
Wow, that's about as effective and reassuring as Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson releasing a two page letter on Sarah Palin's clean bill of health hours before the 2008 election.
ReplyDeleteAnyone that is in favor of that stupid bill to shoot if your are in fear of your life,(Stand your Ground) will not believe a word you say. If his doctor says that is what happened, that's what happened. No need to investigate anything here. Why, every time I see a box of Skittles at the check-out lane at the grocery store I get goose bumps. Looks just like a box of guns to me! Why do they have them on the lower shelves so the little kids can pick them up and maybe shoot themselves. Good thing there are neighborhood watch programs to take these people out who wander thru our neighborhood in plain sight packing a bag of Skittles in their hoody pockets. These people know tactics to break your nose and leave no blood! They are very dangerous and must be wiped out. Wake up people, they are getting away with this crap! Obviously this quack doctor is of the same mind set.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't care if he DID have any injuries...how do we know he didn't do it to himself, after shooting Trayvon, to make it look like he was acting in self-defense?
ReplyDeleteI agree. He was released from the station that night and could have done it to himself or had his borther or someone else that has been spewing the lies in interviews.
DeleteDid the father of Zimmerman, you know, the one that was a judge and will do anything including lying for his son as he already has -- did he contact Palin for her 'family' doctor's name? You know -- the one that faked the birth of Trig.
ReplyDeleteZimmerman's father I'm sure was responsible getting the Chief of Police and the DA or whoever the other high officed liar out to the scene -- on a SUNDAY night when they've never done it for 99.9% of any other citizens.
Should be investigating the bank accounts of the father, mother, brother, etc. as you can place a bet Zimmerman's father has been paying the Town officials and now the Dr for the support.
Last year I fell and hit my head on a piece of furniture and caused an open wound. It bled like mad. After a half hour and it wouldn't stop I called a friend who came over to see how bad the injury was. She helped me wash all the blood out of my hair and my face and determined that the cut wasn't really bad at all. However, it continued to bleed for several hours in spite of cold compresses. The amount of blood was frightening even though I was aware that scalp wounds bleed profusely.
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe that the man who was videotaped at the police station had any injuries comparable to the Dr. description. If he did they happened after he was released from custody and the next day when he saw the doctor.
Uh, yep! Form Bostn Rhinoplasty:
ReplyDeleteNasal Fractures (Broken Nose)
Fracture of the nose is the most common type of facial fracture. The nose contains the most frequently broken bones in the face. In addition to fracture of the nasal bones, cartilage of the nose is frequently injured which can significantly contribute to breathing problems and change of the shape of the nose. As a result of traumatic nasal injuries, the rich network of blood vessel around and within the nose leads to immediate nasal bleeding and bruising around the eyes. The nose and eyes may appear swollen and a change in nasal shape may become apparent. The bruising and swelling always resolve with time but the underlying injuries of the bone and cartilage framework will not....
Gee Gryph, spoken like a nose doc. Spot on.
I thought the Judge in this case said that the attorneys were to keep their mouths shut about this case...but, obviously the media/press isn't paying attention!
ReplyDeleteTurn off the channels when you see all their bullshit about this case, folks!
Closed fracture? Can't see that without an x-ray or CT scan. Where are those records? Anyone could write a report claiming injuries. That doesn't mean they happened.
ReplyDeleteWonder if this Doc and Cathy Baldwin-Johnson went to the same Medical School. Or took similar
ReplyDelete"Medical Ethics" classes. Looks like a Home Town Discount might be at work here.
Bottom line is that the State's Attorney charged Mr. Zimmerman with second degree murder and in the last two days there are reports that the Feds may enter Hate Crime charges.
Looks like George's team is trying to blunt that recent development. Good luck. There are phone calls and tapes that are at odds with this new information.
It's amazing how they cleaned up all that blood from Zimmerman's broken nose. There didn't seem to be any by the time he walking into the police station. At the least, the very least, why wasn't he holding an ice pack on his face if he actually did have those wounds?
ReplyDeleteI'm writing this one down for future reference...always see your long time family physician after committing a cold hearted murder to articulate the various fictitious wounds one needs to be cleared of any wrong doing.
ReplyDeleteI say>>> Zimmerman knew he was in trouble and had someone hit him to make it look like it was Trevor, maybe even the police that were covering for him, what does the EMT's say????
ReplyDeleteThere should be pictures of Zimmerman's wounds that were taken at the police station after Zimmerman killed Travon. Zimmerman's lawyer is trying to put as much evidence and propaganda out there so that he can claim his client cannot get a fair trial.
ReplyDeleteZimmerman's old man probably beat the crap out of him after he dragged him home from the police station.
Agreed! Then he called his personal physician to document the damage that was obviously caused by the young man whom he killed while protecting himself! What a crock.
DeleteAgreed! Then he called his personal physician to document the damage that was obviously caused by the young man whom he killed while protecting himself! What a crock.
DeleteGeez, Jesse, great minds think alike. I must have shouted "Bullshit" four times before I even saw yours.
ReplyDeleteHere's another theory. We know that Zimmerman did not go the hospital the night of the shooting. According to the article, he saw his doctor the following morning. Plenty of time in between to have someone "rough him up" for the doctor's report.
ReplyDeleteNotice how he did not follow the doctor's recommendation to see an ENT specialist and get a psychological evaluation. Seems to me that if the doctor considered his injuries serious enough to warrant follow-up by a specialist, there is no way they would not be evident on that police video.
The police say he was treated by paramedics before before bringing him in to the station. It would be interesting to know what he was treated for, since there is no hint of any swelling on his face, not a single bandage is visible, and he is not even holding an ice pack up to his face or head.
There is also no indication that he is in any pain. He actually looks quite calm. Add that to the fact that you don't see a drop of blood on his clothing, and you have to wonder what injuries those paramedics were treating him for that were so life threatening he had to kill his "attacker", but apparently not serious enough to get himself checked out at the hospital that night, or even follow his doctor's advice the next day. None of it adds up.
when did the doctor examine him? Immediately? Or was it the next day after Zimmerman made sure he had injuries to show the doctor?
ReplyDeleteNext day!!!
DeleteHis family doctor saw him the next day.
DeleteHe was seen by an EMT at the scene of the crime. Two ambulances were called. One was cancelled. He was therefore seen by the same EMT that was there to see Trayvon too.
Indicates -- injuries at the crime scene -- not so bad, if they existed at all.
I knew someone who broke their nose, they were in a ton of pain and covered in blood. They also had swollen eyes immediately and they could barely open them the next day.
ReplyDeleteWho wants to bet that when he called his dad, his dad said, you need to look injured for self defense...I'll be right over with a bat. I would love to see the EMT reports of his injuries right when they got to the scene.
What are the arresting officers and those at the station saying? Did they see injuries?
ReplyDeleteMy son hit his head on the corner of the coffee table when he was two. He didn't need stitches, but I was sure he needed a ton of them. There was soooo much blood I nearly freaked. It took hours to stop bleeding (we were waiting forever in the waiting room at ER). All they did at the ER was put a tiny piece of tape on. I felt like an idiot. Z's head scratches weren't bleeding and didn't have any tape or bandage on in that video, and that was only 30 minutes after the incident. The photoshop job photo only seem to show fingernail like scrapes on top of his head to me, not gashes at the back of the head from concrete.
ReplyDeleteAlso, too, does anyone know if Zimmermen reported this beating by Trayvon during the inital interrogation that night?
ReplyDeleteMy sentiments exactly! It is all a crock of you know what.
ReplyDeleteAs a coach and parent, I've dealt with numerous nose and head wounds. They bleed a lot, especially head wounds- so Zimmerman should have bandages visible.
ReplyDeleteAny why did the police allow him to be treated by his own physician, instead emergency personnel- to keep the investigation legal?! And why did they wait, I assume, until he was treated and cleaned up before the police questioned him?
I smell rats...
CO almost Native
There is a reason why police have dashboard cameras. That way, when they stop a car, they have an immediate record of everything that happens from that moment-- not a he said, he said but a photographic record.
ReplyDeleteZimmerman should have been photographed from the moment that the police came on the scene. Not a polaroid, but a time stamped, official police photo. Please don't tell me that no one had a cell phone with a camera, even if that town couldn't afford dashboard cameras.
Anything after the first moment on the scene doesn't prove a thing. Zimmerman called his father immediately. His father could have told a cop to bash up Zimmerman's face on the way to the hospital or on the way to the police station. How funny that there was no blood on his shirt, and he waited a day to show up in the hospital with his broken nose.
The people speaking on TV claim that it doesn't matter if Zimmerman's nose was broken. He was the one that started the fight by following Trayvon when the police told him not to. George was the aggressor, making it hard to claim self-defense if you start the fight.
He showed up at his 'family' doctors office the next day -- not the hospital.
DeleteYou know how those pesky family doctors are. They say and do anything as they have a personal relationship with you.
Just think -- Palin and a fake birth!!!
I wish there were more photos or drawings shown on the various shows to actually show the location where Zimmerman and Trayvon were as this would show how far away from Zimmerman's car that they were.
ReplyDeleteWhen you consider the spewed lies about being at the car -- they were no where near the car. They were in fact in what you could almost call a laneway -- down the middle of the backs of two rows of townhomes -- no where near a road or a driveway where a vehicle could drive or be parked.
"Closed Fracture". IOW - "Deviated Septum".
ReplyDeleteTHIS IDIOT WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ANY INJURIES IF HE HAD LISTENED TO THE 911 OPERATOR WHO TOLD HIM NOT TO FOLLOW!! I DON'T BELIEVE HE WAS INJURED AT ALL. I WOULDN'T PUT PASSED HIM INJURING HIMSELF OR HAVING HIS BUDDY DO IT SO THAT HE COULD MAKE A CASE TO GET AWAY FROM MURDER!! THAT'S ALL THAT THAT LAW IS ABOUT--A WAY TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER!!! REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS AND BULLIES AND ONLY THEY WOULD PASS SUCH A STUPID LAW. WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT SOMEONE MIGHT USE THIS LAW ON THEM! REPUBLICANS WILL FACE THEIR MAKER ON HOW DESTRUCTIVE THEY HAVE BECOME OVER OTHER PEOPLE AND DOING THIS IN THE NAME OF GOD!! BOY, GOD IS TAKING A BAD WRAP BECAUSE OF THESE HOMOPHOBIC-RELIGIOUS NUTS!!!
ReplyDeleteI agree with others that even if Zimmerman was injured, which I doubt, that's tough shit and doesn't allow him to kill Trayvon. This boy was terrified as this man stalked him, maybe he thought he was going to be sexually assaulted or abducted and fought for his life.
ReplyDeleteWhat's MOST TELLING is the tape with Trayvon screaming with terror with the cry of a person with a gun pointed at him, pleading for help to avoid the inevitable. His voice doesn't sound like he's actively punching someone at the same time and if he were, why would he be screaming the most horrifying shrill of pure terror as his killer stands over him? That proves he was the known victim. If he were beating the crap out of Zimmerman he'd be full of adrenaline and anger, not be screaming in a schrill, crying like sound!
I absolutely agree with you. I can't listen to those horrible tapes of that child screaming without crying.
DeleteI found this on a medical website:
ReplyDelete"closed fracture, one that does not produce an open wound in the skin;"
Yes, but any fracture of the nose will result in bleeding and swelling.
DeleteLike I say - he has a deviated septum.
Delete"I would bet big money that the only blood they will find on Trayvon Martin is his own blood, and I have little doubt that the ONLY blood that will show up on Zimmerman's clothes is the blood of the young man that he shot."
ReplyDeleteSad to say, but I'm pretty sure that because he wasn't charged and was let go that night, that the police did no forensic tests on Zimmerman or his clothes. Didn't even look at shirt for possible gunpowder marks, as far as I can tell. Maybe there is more that hasn't been released, but as far as blood, wave bye-bye to that evidence, because we have no reason to think Z didn't just go home and launder it all away.
Remember that when he left, he thought it was over, that he would not have to 'prove' anything. It would have been so much easier for Zimm to prove his case if the police had just gone ahead, charged and arrested him, and started a proper investigation that night including drug tox screen of Z and DNA of the blood on the shirt and any evidence of gunpowder burns/residue.
The Sanford Police did not do Zimmerman a favor by letting him go that night, IMO.
MarvinM
Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.
ReplyDeleteThe official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
Well I say -- intermediate range?? -- that sure blows Zimmerman's story to smithereens (sp??) as he spews they were fighting and feared Martin getting the gun -- that would have been 'close range' and the list of injuries by the doctor -- bullshit. A 1/4 inch abrasion, no listed bruises -- doesn't cause a broken nose, 2 black eyes, etc.
Zimmerman's phucked!!!
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by-single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite
And breaking someone's nose and smashing their head into the ground doesn't leave you with a 1/4 inch abrasion on your knuckle. His story just plain does not add up.
DeleteThat video from an hour after was all the evidence I needed..no bruising on his face, NO BLOOD anywhere, and no black eyes. This man is a bold-faced liar, as is his doctor. Wanna bet he disappears like CBJ? Go bacl and read the phone transcripts. He was setting up his defense right away.
ReplyDelete"I see a kid." "He's wearing a hoodie. His hands are in his waistband and he's coming toward me. Now he's running away."
In other words, 'I feel threatened. I think he has a gun. He looks like trouble. He's guilty. I have to stop him."
I copied this off the comments at your link:
ReplyDelete""Contact wound - The muzzle of the gun was applied to the skin at the time of shooting, Close Range - The muzzle of the gun was 6-8 inches away from the skin at shooting, Intermediate Range - The gun was 8 inches to 3.5 feet away""
I can't claim to know how accurate it is, but is does conform to something I read on another site, that. forensically speaking, intermediate range is sometimes lumped in as 'close range'.
That being said, 8.15 inches vs 3.45 feet makes a big difference in this story. Sure, the gun maybe was eight inches away. But then, how was Z not covered with blood, how did M get face down on the grass with his hands under him? If M had been 3 feet away, then the lack of blood stains on Z and body position make more sense, to me.
MarvinM
Zimmerman was spewing that he was having his head beat against the 'concrete'. That's when he took out his gun and shot Martin as he feared Martin getting the gun and that his head was been beaten to a pulp against the 'concrete'.
DeleteAt that 'close range' - Where was the blood splatter of Martin? No where to be seen on the clothing of Zimmerman, 45 mins later walking into the cop shop.
Where were the bruises on Martin's hands for beating Zimmerman to a pulp? No where to be seen as set out in the autopsy report.
Opps. I am wrong about the clothes! Should have read the whole article. Mea culpa.
Delete“He was handcuffed and taken into “investigative detention” at Sanford police headquarters, where he was read his Miranda rights and answered questions without a lawyer present. Investigators described him as unhesitatingly cooperative. At some point, Mr. Zimmerman provided the police with a permit allowing him to carry a concealed weapon. His clothes were taken into evidence after his wife came to the station with a new set.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164#.T7T-4ZjMrnk
MarvinM
Zimmerman allegedly was going in and out of consciousness according to his brother's interview on Fox. Yet, his physician said he didn't suffer a concussion. If his head had been beaten against the sidewalk repeatedly, he would have had a hematoma on the back of his head, not one very small cut and another almost invisible cut to the crown of his head. The cuts are in the wrong spot for someone to have inflicted them by banging his head against the sidewalk. I wouldn't be surprised if he had his brother or his father break his nose when he got home. Being a nurse, I've taken care of people in the ER after they've broken their nose and the swelling is usually evident within minutes, along with the black eyes. After seeing the video, there's no proof of either that is visible. This guy has told repeated stories about being followed when he was the one doing the following, and now to read about the gunshot at an intermediate range when it should have been pressed against Trayvon Martin's chest when fired according to Zimmerman's story, just proves it's one more lie.
ReplyDeleteEarly on, I read a report that said the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head was "cleaned up in the back of the police car and that he refused to go to the hospital". Can't remember if it was on an early police report or not.
ReplyDeleteEven if Zimmerman was significantly injured (and I don't belived that he was injured at all), by refusing to go to the hospital, he may have been afraid of blood tests that would determine how much drugs or alcohol he had in his system. So he waits until morning (if true), goes to his family doctor and everything works in his favor. They tested Trayvon for drugs or alcohol but didn't test Zimmerman. Unbelievable.
His nose didn't look broken when he arrived at the police station. If I remember correctly, he got the police station within 30 minutes after Trayvon's phone call to his girlfriend was disconnected. But Zimmerman was clean as could be - no blood, no signs of being in a fight for his life.
Zimmerman is lying and so is his father and the rest of his family. He's a cold-blooded murderer who targeted a young boy. I hope that he's charged with a Hate Crime.
Tiny scratch on his left ring finger - not much damage after a fight where you punch someone several times. Is TM left handed or right handed?
ReplyDeleteClearly you can see that there is NO injury to the back of Zimmerman's' head, you can see the back of his head in some parts of the video. Also there is no blood on him, and no injuries. He is a DAMN LIAR, and shame on the authorities for protecting him.
ReplyDeleteI went to the hospital once after a fight coz of a broken hand and was surprised when the doc said I had a broken nose too
ReplyDeleteno blood
Initially, I thought the intermediate range showed his story wasn't possible. When I looked up intermediate, it said the following...
ReplyDelete"In intermediate-range wounds, the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing."
I'm with you on this one. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
ReplyDeleteMy husband's job is in crime analysis, I can't go into detail on his title, but it's nothing like we see on csi and shows on television. The problem is, Zimmerscum had time to inflict these wounds on himself, and if Treyvon was carrying a bottle while getting shot through the back, any wound on his knuckle could have easily been a result of kickback when his body hit the ground with the bottle in his hand, NOT from punching anyone.
I've seen my fair share of evidence, and though I'm not qualified, this possibility is plausible.
I'll ask my husband when he gets home.
My sincerest hope is that Zimmerman doesn't get away with murder.
In forensics there are four types of gunshot wound: Contact wound - The muzzle of the gun was applied to the skin at the time of shooting, Close Range - The muzzle of the gun was 6-8 inches away from the skin at shooting, Intermediate Range - The gun was 8 inches to 3.5 feet away, and Distant - The gun was over 3.4 feet away at the time of shooting. In the case of a fatal shooting it is often debated whether it was murder or suicide.
ReplyDeleteIntermediate = > 8 inches!!! No way!!!! On the Today Show today some "expert" from TX said that range was two to four inches...lying sack of shit trying to prejudice the jury pool!!!!
DeleteQuestion: Who helped Zimmerman neatly tuck his shirt in his pants? The guy has just finished "struggling for his life", had his "head beaten against the sidewalk", and then he was supposedly handcuffed behind his back when paramedics "treated him" at the scene. Standard police procedure.
ReplyDeleteHe would've then been put into the back seat of the police cruiser. Then, we see him get out of the car "on camera". What, did the popo take him by his house to take a shower and put on fresh, clean clothes and another pair of shoes?
Personally, I've broken my nose 4 times in 3 different sports, and all 4 times a bystander who didn't see the point of contact might've thought I was shot with a 12-gauge shotgun in the lower face, neck and chest. I've never had a problem with nose bleeds before or since, and never had issues with "thin" blood which might be slow to clot or coagulate. Also, I have unknowingly cut (or deep scratch) on my head on the side just behind my ear and across the back of my head where it just "oozed" out in a horizontal line where the thin, fairly shallow cut ran along. I didn't realize that it was even bleeding unlis it dripped on my neck and shoulder blade.a few minutes later. I went to the ER and the doc cleaned it up and put small bandages and wound it around my head a couple of times. No stitches needed because the wound was basically a thin, fine scratch. Needless to say, I still had to change it after about an hour because it still oozed a little. Then the bandage lasted until the next morning and I replaced the bandage daily for a couple of days. A week and a half latex it had completely healed and scab was gone. But iit looked like a machete hacked across my head at first looking at how it bled in a straight line across my head whenever no pressure was put on it. Bottom line, head cuts or even scratches bleed a lot and at first they seem worse than they appear. If a head wound is dabbed with alcohol swabs and left without a dressing by a trained professional like an EMT, nurse, doc, PA or anyone who knows WTF they're doing, AND if the wound is not oozing or dripping blood a half hour later, then it's just a superficial "wound" and you might not even need to give you a kiss on it because it's not a boo boo anymore. You didn't even need a fucking band-aid, Zimmerman.
Finally, to repeat the obvious, your shirt was neatly tucked after all of the struggle for your life AND trauma you claimed without any physical evidence. Prove your life was in danger, Zimmerman. Unless you're a fucking diabetic and the skinny black kid was going to hold your punk ass down and force feed you Skittles until you went into diabetic shock or diabetic coma, you're a liar. And you're a pussy. And you're a murderer.
I personally don't give a shit if it was race-related, other than if it increases the length of the sentence for your pitiful, punk ass, I'm all for whatever maxes you out in the pokey. Because you killed a kid, barely 17 and you're supposed to be a man. Well you've proved otherwise, so you're sure as hell not one, not now; maybe you will be one day when you are paroled. If you earn it and if you have contrition. None of these alligator-tears bullshit with your fraudulent dad and that lying, whining punk-ass brother. Add Joe Oliver to the punk list. Sean Hannity, too. But George Zimmerman is the chief punk.
For some reason just looking at Zimmerman's face gives me the same creepy uncomfortable feeling that I get when looking at pictures of the griz. Two wannabee somebodies willing to do anything for fame, bravado or fortune. Z-man fancies himself the saviour within his imagined crime world and Palin much the same in her self-created victimization. Both deluded, both desperate, both likely to get away with their bad behavior, lack of reasonable judgment and disrespect for their fellow man. If there's any justice, both will be called to pay for the pain and grief they have wrought upon this planet.
ReplyDeleteApparently there was no exit wound from the bullet. I wonder how that's possible if the boy was shot at such close range.
ReplyDeleteI also wonder why the mention of Zimmerman's psych meds and his psychologist have been completely overlooked. I think the fact that Zim has documented mental health issues is very important to this case.
[From ABC News online]
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7Td5UXY894
"In addition to his physical injuries, Zimmerman complained of stress and 'occasional nausea when thinking about the violence.' But he was not diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with [sic] his psychologist for evaluation."
According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients."
I have 2 adult kids - my son is 35 yrs old now. When this story broke, I immediately thought about my son when he was that age and it brought tears to my eyes.
ReplyDeleteJust thinking about someone shooting him at 17yrs old actually made my heart hurt!
This is a nightmare no mother or parent should ever have to bear.
The fact that he was carrying skittles and ice tea only made it worse - I cried.
The aftermath with the media and the spin put on this murder just blew me away. This poor child did nothing wrong. Nothing!
After reading and hearing much about Zimmerman I've formed an opinion on him. I believe he's mentally unbalanced and has been looking for that opportunity to shoot and kill someone.
The whole neighborhood watch thing is creepy and people had lodged complaints about him prior to this murder. A true townwatch person would ask someone what they were doing there - based on a reasonable assumption they were acting suspicously.
Trayvon was stalked. Zimmerman is a sick and unstable, ugly human being.
The fact that it took as long as it did to arrest this pos only rubbed salt in the wounds of Trayvon's family and everyone that was affected by this senseless act.
It's suspicious that Zimmerman's family doctor would release or reveal that information now. With the HIPPA laws, a doctor would have to have the written permission by his patient to reveal this.
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious that Zimmerman asked his doctor to leak this out to the media. This will harm him at the trial, because he is fast and loose with details that should be evidence sealed for the defense.
The report also said he had black eyes; they would have been puffy and swollen. The police station video didn't reveal that he had black, or puffy swollen eyes or eyelids at all. Not buying it.
I think the information was more "created" than "leaked." But, in any case, if someone is being chased by another person who ultimately is going to kill the person being chased with a bullet to the chest, why is it so wrong for the person who is going to be murdered to try to defend himself? Of course, that means that he turned around and attacked the person chasing him, a much heavier man, knocked him to the ground and beat him up. Given the lack of physical evidence on the dead body (lots of Zimmerman's blood from the head wounds, hand abrasions from having beaten a much heavier man in his desperation to save his life), we now have the perpetrator's family doctor's report. I think what may have happened is that the boy turned to confront his stalker and was shot, pure and simple. Then Zimmerman, his dad and the police folk his dad was friendly with, created the rest.
DeleteEven when two cars are involved in a fender-bender, the police ask both drivers if they experienced any injuries at all, like whiplash, or dizzyness, or any head injury, as slight as it might be. They recommend being examined by a doctor. Insurance companies advise that the driver be seen by a physician, if the non-faulted driver wants to make any claim of injury on his insurance claim.
ReplyDeleteIt's common sense to want any injuries inflicted by an aggressor on record by the doctor; it's valuable as a defense.
What makes absolutely NO sense in this Zimmerman case, is that Zimmerman didn't act at all like the victim, or the defender of his life. If he had felt threatened and had been attacked by Trayvon, and if Zimmerman had physically defended himself before the shot was fired, he would have made it an imperative PRIORITY to have himself examined by a the ambulance medical staff, so they could have it on RECORD that he was injured. Reports claimed that he refused treatment. Any sane person would immediately want all documentation and proof that he was beaten and hurt, so as to have this proof in case the Martin family contested it.
The fact that Zimmerman didn't prepare himself for any defense that night shows he was confident this case would be dropped and filed away.
Another point in this whole case is the fact that the police had the body of Trayvon at the morgue and he was listed as a John Doe. Why in heaven's name couldn't the police have gone to every townhouse in that complex, knocked on doors and asked families if they knew of a young boy with Trayvon's description who may have lived in the area? I seem to recall that he was in the morgue for 3 days or more without any identification. This is an injustice and another painful part to this tragic story.
Justice for Trayvon!!
How do you shoot someone in the chest from a prone position at intermediate range - 8 inches to 3.5 feet - and not end up drenched in blood?
ReplyDeleteAsk a forensics expert, not an obama-bot!
DeleteOh, the shoes! thus true. Great tips, Nancy! Ones I hope to place to sensible use next year.
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