I am not even going to express my opinion of this yet because I don't want to skew your impression, but I am interested to hear if you find George Zimmerman believable or not.
No wrong answers here, I am just interested in how you think he comes across.
Sounds to me as though young Trayvon was (albeit unarmed)standing his ground. GZ is not seeming to be honest. If a guy is going to state lies to a judge in court....what else and under what circumstances will he misrepresent???
ReplyDeleteI don't even have to watch it. George Zimmerman has already proven himself an accomplished liar with his attempt to hide money in order to get reduced bail. Everything he says is suspect. The police are suspect, too, and likely coached him on what to say. If the prosecution doesn't have a field day with this, they aren't worth shit.
ReplyDeleteI want the IRS to investigate the Zimmerman's for tax evasion. Their bank records were released as evidence. They deliberately and repeatedly withdrew $9,990.00 from the account to avoid detection by the IRS. The guy is an idiot and a murderer.
DeleteA couple of things:
ReplyDelete--at about 8 minutes, GZ gets out of the car to find a street sign so he can tell the police where he is. He walks on a pathway that seems to be behind all these homes that look alike. That doesn't seem logical to me. How would you find a street sign by doing that. Especially since he'd just turned onto that street in his car. And the street sign that he would find by the direction he's going wouldn't even be the street where his car is. This seems strange. Oh and it just so happens the guy he is "not following" also went in that direction.
--Then he describes telling a person not to call the police but to help him. I haven't followed this super-closely, but has a witness that close to the incident come forward? I didn't think so but i could have missed that.
--there are other points that seem strange but i don't want to re-watch it.
GZ lives in this gated community, and self appointed himself to be the neighborhood watchman..... and he has to look for a street sign to know where they are?
DeleteWhatever he said, sounded totally different from what the recording to the police was when he talked to them while pursuing Trayvon...
DeleteHe lived there for 3 yrs and didn't know the name of the streets. Bullshit
DeleteIt is indeed BS. There's only 3 streets in the neighborhood. No way did he not know what street he was on.
DeleteListen to these tapes and you'll hear the questions the Detective who interrogated him ask about that very same point. I don't buy the ADHD making him forget everything. There are only 3 streets in the complex and it seems impossible that after 3 years he wouldn't know the names of them. These tapes speak volumes. You can hear the doubt in Detective Serino's voice when he's questioning him in the 3rd one on 2/29/12. http://gzlegalcase.com/documents/statements/
DeleteWhere are the broken nose and black eyes and scratches as per his doctor's report.
ReplyDeleteThe spin that lies.
That is the first thing I thought. He's a liar.
DeleteOh, but he has some loosely attached band-aids. Riiiight.
Deletewho puts bandaids (designed for joints such as knees or elbows) on their heads over their hair?
DeleteEXACTLY
Deletephotos of his injuries that they provided previously show dried blood from the back of his head towards his face which would be inconsistent with his story that he was on his back being attacked. Blood would run that direction (then dry) if he we the one on top.
DeleteZimmerman in not believable, especially given the other information we know about the parole hearing and the jail conversations. Sociopaths are extremely skilled at appearing non sociopathic. They can charm. They observe and mimic. They can seem like the adult in the room. I have one in my family. I was fooled for decades and then circumstances were such that the chillingly indifferent and conniving monster inside revealed itself.
ReplyDeleteoops - "bail hearing"
DeleteGosh, for a minute there, I thought you were describing Sarah Palin.
DeleteYou can tell the detective doesn't buy the story!
ReplyDeleteSeriously -- he sat up! After being shot! and said, you got me!!! And not only that, but the boy was DEAD and Zimmerman was asking someone for help restraining him??? Really???
He also left room open for a defense attorney, I noticed...made it seem like he really had a lot of memory loss. His lawyer is probably going to say he had a concussion...Yeah, a concussion that the doctors patched up with BAND-AIDS...Yeah...HO'KAY...
He had 18 hours, roughly, to concoct that story, and it is the perfect little tale to fit the forensic evidence. Like, how he "flipped" Trayvon over after shooting him, which explains why he was found on his back (even though -- we all know why he was REALLY on his back, because GZ was on top of him). He had a LOT of time to think about this..
Also -- where's the blood??? He supposedly had his head BASHED against the cement -- where's the blood? We have a lot of blood in our heads. a head wound causes a LOT of blood loss...WHERE'S THE BLOOD, GEORGIE?
Also -- he even manages to mention that he called for help...
DeleteIf he shot Treyon while T was on top, where is the blood from that shot? It would have spilled all over GZ's jacket and clothes.
DeleteExacty right. He is making up his story to fit what he learned the police found. Except I think he's making up parts of it on the spot. He's not even a good liar. I used to deal professionally with adolescent criminals. Most of them made up better stories than this.
DeleteThere was no blood because the shot went right through the heart. Without the heart pumping the blood drained inside the body cavity.
DeleteNo, he's not believable - not at all.
ReplyDelete911 asked him to get somewhere where he could see him??? 911 told him "We don't need you to do that sir"
OK - now I need to go listen to the 911 calls again - maybe I forgot something?
At the end of the call the dispatcher told him to let them know what else he saw.
DeleteHe comes across as a lying sack of shit. How many "takes" did Zimmerman have to "get it right"?
ReplyDeleteWould be interesting to see how the physical evidence (gun shot casings, types of wounds, blood splatter at the scene and on his clothes, gunshot residue on Treyvon AND Zimmerman's hands, etc)
BUT since the COPS didn't DO THEIR JOBS what's the point of this re-enactment, except to further shrink the possible jury pool?
Until he was arrested, it was just something else in the pile of evidence to NEVER be used to bring justice. SOMEONE made a BIG-TIME mistake overlooking this case and not going along with the lead detective.
DeleteI hope that detective whose better judgement got trumped will testify (at least in the civil trial, which is sure to follow) and will point the finger at whoever blundered here.
There was NO reason for this kid to die, and SHAME on whoever turned a blind eye to letting the system work for justice. Some heads should roll wherever the decision was made and should include anyone with veto power who knowingly didn't "step-up" and over-ride the decision to ignore the case.
Unconscionable and cowardly.
I don't believe him. I didn't buy it and I tried to keep an open mind.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I listened to the jailhouse tapes between him and his wife regarding the way he tried to commit fraud and hide his death lottery winnings -
he's a lowlife liar and his voice sounds exactly the same on the tapes as it does in this video.
He instructed his wife to commit bank fraud and deceive the courts into thinking he was broke while he transferred thousands of dollars into secret accounts - he's stupid too. He really thought he was smarter than everyone.
And one last thing that disqusts me - he never once mentioned Trayvon while he moved his winnings around - never expressed remorse or sadness. He thinks things happen for a reason since he got this windfall ..sickening...
He does not seem remotely sorry that someone died. It's like he's making excuses about why he didn't do the dishes.
DeleteI was watching him the day after the shooting in the video from the police station and he's trying to be extremely friendly with one of the Detectives, going on and on about a letter he wrote, thanking her for her professionalism, wanting to know if it went in her file. I'd be so devastated at the thought that I'd killed an innocent kid, that I'd have difficulty even speaking let alone laughing. It's nothing to him. No remorse expressed whatsoever in any of these interviews on video or audio tape. NEVER ONCE DID ZIMMERMANN SAY HE WAS SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED OR THAT HE WAS UPSET ABOUT IT!!! How many people are that cold??
DeleteWhen the Detective asks him why he called him a "fucking punk" he also lets him know that Trayvon was not a fucking punk. He said that he was a good kid from a decent family who cared about him, no criminal record, no history of getting in trouble--certainly not like GZ had! Det. Serino sounds pissed. Good! He was the one who wanted to arrest him.
Here's the link.
http://gzlegalcase.com/documents/statements/
He is incredibly calm.
ReplyDeletehis story sounds like something you'd hear from a 6 year old. of course he didn't do anything wrong. he was walking away and Martin attacked him. i wish him a horrible rest of his life in prison.
ReplyDeleteBelievable? No.
ReplyDeleteAlso not to happy that, with Georgie's docu dump yesterday, that they're going to have an easy time finding a jury that doesn't already have an opinion. And I think that's the idea behind the dump.
BS..sounds like a school kid telling a tall tale, thinking as he goes along.
ReplyDeleteNope. Not at all. That story is so ridiculous. Whenever there is an excess of detail, that is a red flag in itself. They said he was incredibly calm after it happened, after killing someone supposedly in self defense. He is alarmingly short on affect in this tape. Strange fellow.
ReplyDeleteHis story sounds like something out of a bad movie. You notice at one point he says something like "put his hand on his nose...my nose...and said, shut the f$# up". I bet George did that to Trayvon and said those things to keep him from screaming. I read somewhere Zimmerman said he yelled for help 50 times.... That just isn't borne out by the evidence so far.
This tape does not help George Zimmerman's case.
I was thinking the same thing -- that Zimmerman used details of what he did to Trayvon, but switched them around.
DeleteIf he had been screaming for help at least 50 times for his life, I'm certain he would have had a scratchy raspy voice the next day.
DeleteAt about 9 minutes the lies start to come out. The "tells" are the body language, the hesitations in speech. All sounds like bullshit to me.
ReplyDeleteSo Gryphen, when do we get to hear your thoughts on this interview?
Yep, I thought he actually started earlier when he begins to rationalize his own behavior based on what Trayvon "might've been thinking or doing". Z's supposed to be describing WHAT HAPPENED and IN WHAT SEQUENCE but instead he's trying to "explain away" his own gaps in logic.
DeleteThe detective, IMO anyway, did a good job of just letting Zimmerman tell it his way without any suggestions or leading him or even giving him feedback.
The video, combined with the forensic evidence including the taped non-emergency calls then have to line-up or Georgie-boy sinks his own boat. I don't think that Z was real pleased with his story once re realized he might've embellished some detail for his account of the taped calls that doesn't corroborate. That's my take on it.
I think his judge daddy has gotten him out of trouble his whole life. The man is arrogant and believes that he is above anyone else. What sickens me is the morons who are sending this creep money.
ReplyDeleteHey, we've seen morons sending Sarah, our own little sociopath, for years. Why are we surprised that people are sending GZ money? Probably are the same people who send Sarah their hard-earned bucks.
DeleteArrogant is not a good descriptor. He is slow and not very emotional. He has a history of helping people and often seems humble.
DeleteYeah, GZ was really "humble" as he advised his wife how to move money around to hide it, from "PeterPan" aka as PayPal (what an idiot, did he really think nobody would figure that one out??)to one of their safety deposit boxes.
DeleteHistory of helping people? Listen to the interviews and you'll see how he jumped to conclusions about TM who was doing absolutely NOTHING wrong. GZ is a wanna-be cop who was, in his own words, "chasing the suspect".
He helped trying to bring a cop's son to justice after he beat a homeless man. He worked as a volunteer with the church for a very long time. Those contribute to the history of helping people.
DeleteThe discussion of the money was dumb. As I have indicated he is slow and that was poorly thought out.
He had helped neighbors who experienced breakins in the community. I think he was tipped off by the person in the end house who noticed TM coming through the cut through at the northwest corner of the complex.
We don't know that TM was doing "absolutely nothing wrong." It does seem that TM doubled back after hiding along the inside path.
Arrogant is the perfect descriptor for GZ. I don't care what "mitigating circumstances" are brought up, they don't change the fact that an unarmed kid on his way home was shot to death.
DeleteHe is incredibly calm for a man who has just killed someone.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the cement would have his blood on it, from the terrible beating he says he had.
It sounded to me as though Trayvon Martin was scared of this guy and was standing HIS ground, feeling that he was being pursued by Zimmerman in the dark, and Martin didn't know where he was, in that maze of identical houses.
It was raining and there is no blood from Martin either. But I agree, how can someone be so calm; no remorse whatsoever!
DeletePS -- on the tape, he talks about going for his phone, and he sort of pauses....IMO -- at that point in the story, is when he went for his gun, but he didn't want the cops to know that because he knows how it would make him look.
ReplyDeleteZimmerman seems to be making up details as he goes along, story-telling, making up lies.
ReplyDeleteThe official autopsy has been released and states the boy was only 5 ft. 11 inches tall, weighed 158 lbs. I doubt Zimmerman was overpowered by such a lightweight lad.
I doubt the boy simultaneously held Zimmerman down, covered Zimmerman's mouth, bashed Zimmerman's head, and reached for Zimmerman's gun all while Zimmerman screamed for help.
How did Zimmerman scream while his mouth was covered, not muffled but loud enough to be heard on a 911 recording from inside a neighbor's house?
There are too many discrepancies in his story.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I heard on that clip and understood was - one of the discrepancies is when he says that Trayvon was sitting on him, after having bashed his head in the cement sidewalk a few times; he says that his jacket slipped up, exposing his holster and gun; then he says that Trayvon reaches for it; then he, Zimmerman is able to somehow grab hold of the gun and shoots Trayvon (one shot). The part that I find disturbing is that Zimmerman then says that Trayvon didn't seem to notice that he had been shot and said something, like, "you got me", with his arms up; from that point, it sounds peculiar, because all of a sudden Zimmerman is sitting on a wounded Trayvon restraining his arms out and isn't even trying to see if he is breathing. How could Trayvon have been able to speak after having been shot at point blank? He would have been in shock and would not have been able to use any strangth or muscle power after that. His body would have been in shock.
So the matter of shooting this boy then suddenly turning on him and sitting on him til the police arrive does not make sense. Why even sit on him. A wounded person with a bullet in their chest does not need restraining. And when the stranger arrives with a flashlight, Zimmerman tells him to come and help him. Why? Why not tell the stranger with the flashlight to call 911, call an ambulance, because there is a wounded man lying in the grass on his stomach. Why would Zimmerman request help for restraining a wounded individual?
And, then there's the story of him being told not to follow the suspect. Zimmerman decides to leave his car and his excuse for being out of his car is that he needed to go and see what street he was on to direct police to the site. That is strange. If he was so certain this suspect might be armed and dangerous, why would he be prowling around looking for a street sign? He had earlier told police they could meet him at the club house, where he gave them instructions; he should have let the authorities make the search.
I think the guy isn't telling the truth. It's so disturbing to see the area, too, where that sweet kid was just walking home.
Just one more thing: Trayvon could have been lost, he might have been going around in circles trying to find the right townhome, as the neighborhood was a maze of identical homes, and it was dark at night and raining, making it harder to get his bearings.
Yeah well in case you wondered, yes I call bullshit on his story as well.
ReplyDeleteHe is WAY too calm, he does not appear sorry at all, and his story does not add up.
He followed that boy purposefully and, I believe, confronted him, after which Trayvon tried to defend himself and Zimmerman shot him.
That is how it feels to me by looking at the area, hearing the 911 tapes, and then seeing Zimmerman trying to create circumstances in which it would seem okay that he shot an unarmed teenager.
Yep, and now he's peeing in the jury pool. First they might try change of venue, which will most likely be turned down. Then, if convicted, he will appeal based on pre-trial publicity. All the while he and the mrs will be accepting donations to their defense fund.
DeleteI went & listened to the 911 calls again - what was said & what GZ says in this video - very different. Seems the defense is helping the prosecution by highlighting this tape - or maybe as Kerry says - peeing in the jury pool. Probably both.
DeleteYeah he's guilty but he won't be found guilty. It's okay though. I believe in karma. He will be in trouble again. The dude is a psycho and psychos always find a way to sink to the bottom.
DeleteI agree that he'll walk. It will be just like OJ. Jury nullification. It worked then and it will work this time. Civil suit is another matter however. And where is OJ now? Karma delayed.
Delete"After I shot him he sat up and said you got me."
ReplyDeleteDid Zimmerman just watch some spaghetti western movie with that cheesy line? I can't imagine myself just getting shot and calmly saying "You got me" like we were playing baseball and was just tagged out at 2nd base.
You would not sit up and say "you got me" after being shot through the heart. Humans aren't built that way. You are gone at that point. This is video game stuff. Hollywood all the way. Zimmerman is full of BS.
DeleteWhat was Zimmerman's response to Trayvon saying "You got me"?
DeleteZimmerman: "Tag! You're it!"
Getting shot through the heart does not kill you immediately. Your blood stops pumping which kills you in a few minutes, but if your lungs or spinal cord aren't hit, you still breath and can talk if you remain conscious.
DeleteAnon @2:38 PM
DeleteI think the trauma of this type of injury would put you into immediate shock. I believe it is highly unlikely you would sit up and say anything. It wouldn't be like stubbing your toe or twisting your ankle. Brain function would continue for a short period of course. I have no personal experience with this(who does) but I just don't believe it is at all likely Trayvon sat up and spoke. The screaming stopped immediately after the shot. Perhaps some medical professionals can chime in and shed light on this.
And he says that Trayvon was hiding behind a building and then saw Zimmerman sitting in his parked car and came over to the car and walked around the car. Trayvon obviously wasn't deemed a threat, as he a few minutes later Zim leaves his car and walks around.
ReplyDeleteZimmerman had a gun. Any and all of these claims of him being attacked are unbelievable. When he says Trayvon approached him on the sidewalk and punched in in the face, why didn't Zimmerman have faster reflexes and pull his gun out before Trayvon was feet away from him? This is the part that does not make sense. An armed man sees a suspect on a sidewalk walking up to him and asking him what the problem is, and approaches him right up to his face, with a fist ready to punch just does not compute on why didn't Zimmerman use his right to use his weapon to prevent an attack. Not buying it.
I want to know why he didn't identify himself as the Neighborhood Watch Captain. If he had done so from the very first moment he saw him, instead of making ridiculous assumptions, "he's up to no good", "he's on drugs", "he's checking out all the houses", etc., then Trayvon Martin would still be alive. GZ has to pay for his killing this kid for no damn reason. I don't believe for one minute that he told GZ that he was "gonna die tonight, mofo".
DeleteHe is lying, making things up as he goes and biggest factor for me. Where was the blood on his shirt? I would think shooting someone that is on top of you they would bleed on your clothes. He is an asshole and I hope he is found guilty.
ReplyDeleteHe comes across as lying. If I'd never heard him on the tapes, I would still think he was lying. The tape where the 911 operator tells him "we don't need for you to following him", I don't remember Zimmerman telling 911 that "Trayvon circled his car" nor do I remember 911 asking Zimmerman "if he still needed an officer" when Zimmerman said he didn't know where Trayvon had gone. I do remember 911 saying more than once that the police were on their way.
ReplyDeleteThe entire fight sounds made-up. Plus I don't buy the "you got me" when Trayvon had been shot in the chest. And, Zimmerman shot him from inches away - yet "he didn't know if he hit Trayvon?" BS Zimmerman is a liar and a bad liar at that.
Right. His story doesn't jive with the police tape. Oh what a tangled web we weave.... Also, didn't the forensics prove that Trayvon wasn't shot at close range?
DeleteThe forensics report says Trayvon was shot at "intermediate range". I've been trying to figure out exactly what distance they're talking about when they say intermediate.
DeleteI also think that if Zimmerman was really lying on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him, seems like it would be very difficult for Z to unholster his gun.
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/george-zimmernans-reenactment-my.html
ReplyDeleteThis is an analysis of the video by another blogger. Thought you may find it interesting. The blogger is an expert on deception, she teaches law enforcements classes. She doesn't believe him either.
Awesome! Can we send her $arah's pregnancy interviews?
DeleteAnon 9:16PM:
DeleteI think that is one great idea! Wonder if she would do it?
OMG! Renee would have a field day with all those grifting you-know-whos!
DeleteZimmerman also makes another big mistake. He says that he didn't think he hit Trayvon, that Trayvon realized he had a gun, sat up, and said "You got me" or "You got it." Then, he says he can't remember how Trayvon ended up on his stomach, but he quickly tried to restrain him, and asked the bystander who came up to help him restrain him. But then the cop comes up, asks "Who shot him?," and Zimmerman says, "I did." So, which is is? Did you think you missed? Or did you shoot him? Yeah, it's not hard to tell which it was.
ReplyDeleteI call BS, have had my nose broken twice, once boxing Golden Gloves, and once in a street fight, yeah I am not that good. In both cases the hit breaking the nose, blacked one or both eyes, and my face looked like shit the next day. This guy killed someone, and has a couple of bandaids across the back of his head, I have looked worse than that after a night out with friends.
ReplyDeleteAnd I would bet no doctor put those two mismatched bandaids on, which are sticking to HIS HAIR. If the wounds needed attention, a doctor would have shaved around them so the bandaids would stick and/or applied gauze and tape. Those bandaids look like a kindergartner put them on . . . or a not-so-bright wife.
DeleteI haven't read any one else's comments and so this may have already been discussed. Did he tell the investigators he hung up with non-emergency? If so, I missed it. If not, then something is not right. When he stated Trayvon approached him from behind, he also stated his cell phone was in his pocket. His account of the facts sound reasonable up to the point when he walked up the sidewalk to look for an address. Throughout that time he kept repeating that he was still on the phone with non-emergency. It was when he turned around and walked back to the place he said Travyon approached him was when he stated his phone was in his pocket. From that point on, his story sounds embelished. Perhaps Trayvon was hitting him, which makes me wonder it it was only in self-defense. If Trayvon was walking around and looking nervous in the manner in which George states, perhaps it wasn't because he was looking for trouble, but instead running from it.
ReplyDeleteTotal B S
ReplyDeleteHe also seems to be trying to elicit some approval or a positive response from the detectives. Almost like an unspoken sentiment of "didn't I do good? I'm just like a REAL cop! I shot that black man."
ReplyDeleteThe whole thing is sick.
George left his home against the instruction of the 911 operator. He was loaded for bear and had already made up his mind to shoot. The whole story was fishy from the start.
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't at home when he was talking to the dispatcher.
DeleteZimmerman admits that he was told not to follow Trayvon. If he didn't go after Trayvon, Trayvon would still be alive, and Zimmerman wouldn't be in the fix that he is in.
ReplyDeleteI am no very good at this sort of thing, but if I shot someone I think the details of that night would be permanently etched on my brain. I have had instances in which I was terrified, or during emergencies where I responded to help someone; high stress and intense situations. Once a crew member had a hook caught solid in the arm of his raingear as a longline was being set. He turned to me and asked me (very calmly!)to unhook the gangion. This was years ago but I can still remember every microsecond of that event because we both understood that he was about to go over with the gear. I volunteered for a while as an EMT and can still tell you a great deal of detail about all the calls I responded to. They are stuck in my head and replay like a movie. Zimmerman seemed to waffle at were his body was in reference to the sidewalk, how he went down, very sketchy detail about the gun, and just how he ended up on top. He seemed to have a consistent narrative that Martin was a very bad guy, lurking around in the rain, starting back at, and then circling his truck, and the dialog was total thugsville. Sounds really inconsistent with what is known about Martin. What's really sad is that it sounds like Martin may have just been a little disorientated as to where he was staying given the rain (and that every damn street looks the same in those type of developments) and that is what drew Zimmerman's attention. Z already had a biased opinion towards criminal behavior because of the previous break-ins. My guess is that it didn't go as Z described, but rather Z confronted M, but what happened from there? I'm looking forward to reading other comments from more Sherlock Holmes types than myself.
ReplyDeleteFinally something good to come out of Florida - the Miami Heat opening a can of whoop-ass on the Oklahoma City Blunder!
ReplyDeleteW/O reading anyone else's comments, here's my impression:
ReplyDeleteHe sounds totally believable, HOWEVER, this does not negate the fact that he should never have gotten out of his car to either follow the guy or to obtain an address while on foot. That was reckless/stupid.
Also, given the manner in which he demonstrates he is following Mr. Martin in the car, it was very clear to Mr. Martin that someone in a car was stalking him. Martin is not blameless, either, but it was Zimmerman's actions that created this tragedy. Zimmerman may have acted, in the end, in self-defense, but he brought the confrontation on himself, with help from Martin.
But sure, Zimmerman's story sounds "true" from his point of view. And he doesn't sound cocky, which is how I expected him to come of.
Trayvon Martin had every right to walk through that neighborhood; he was walking to his father's home. There is no proof, other than Zimmerman's odd story (at considerable variance from the phone conversation he had with "911") being shown on this video. If Trayvon Martin did try to defend himself; he would have had every right to do that too. He was the one being chased and being chased by a man with a gun. Zimmerman's story in this video sounds made up - probably with lots of help from his father, who should be held as an accomplice after the fact.
DeleteWhat are you holding Trayvon Martin responsible for? His decision to go to the store? Looking suspicious while walking home? He was on the phone with his girlfriend. She heard what happened and it's not the same story that GZ told the police.
DeleteTo anyone who has ever been a fight and/or had their nose broken, it is readily apparent that Zimmerman is lying. There is no way he took the pummeling he claims. No major swelling or discoloration, just a few scratches and a couple of band-aids. Dude looks like he got into a fight with his wife's cat.
ReplyDeleteJust one comment. Shit, maybe more than one, we'll see, because this pisses me off.
ReplyDeleteRemember, it was raining when Zimmerman was watching Trayvon "acting suspiciously". I don't recall if he said it was still raining during their altercation, but if there was more bleeding from Zimmerman's head or nose that the rain "washed off", since he was on his back, it would've first pooled and collected under his chin and neck in the front, and/or onto his collar in the back under his neck or on his collar. It's a gravity thing with fluids. You just have to remember which position the head is in while the blood is either present (thus,flowing, dripping, or oozing) or not present at all.
[Open the 2 Pics in the Link Below]
http://www.blacknews.com/images/george_zimmerman_injury.jpg
In the pic on the left, notice the grey collar in front and the absence of any trace of blood. Now, in the pic on the right, look at the orange collar in the back, and notice the absence of any blood there as well. Blood will leave at least a faint stain in either of these two lighter-colored fabrics he’s wearing, if it comes into contact with them even slightly, even if they’re already saturated with water. Once even just a few drops of blood are on the fabric, just spraying it (or raining on it) with cold water, maybe 60-65 degrees or whatever the temp was that night will not remove every trace of blood. It's more likely to "set the stain". Since there is no evidence of even any diluted blood stains in front or back, there was never any additional blood on either of those areas. There's a saying that "blood is thicker than water", and the reason that the saying exists is because it is true. Blood IS more dense (thicker), and because blood contains a coagulant, it dries faster than water. So unless Zimerman took a hose with warm water and sprayed his head with pressure to remove blood before it could contact any fabric, whatever bleeding occurred originally, THAT blood dried while dripping and is still on his head.
Notice the locations of the abrasions which are the SOURCES of the blood drips are located, all on the backside-center and the backside, just off-center of the back of his head. Notice the DIRECTION that the blood flowed/dripped before it dried.
Now envision this: Lying on your back or even sitting partially up in a crunch position, with those identical cuts, in which direction does blood from the back of your head while leaning back or almost lying down? Hint. DOWN and TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.
Now, envision being on your hands and knees or even just leaning forward at your waist. With the same cuts on the back and sides, when you are facing down (now, the cuts are on the “top”) which direction does blood drip? Answer. Still DOWN, BUT now also TOWARD THE SIDES, because of gravity.
Which direction did the blood from the cuts from the cuts on the back of Zimmerman’s head flow?
Answer. Every drip pattern is DOWN and TOWARD THE SIDES of his head, NOT TOWARD THE MIDDLE.
Why is this important? My observation: Because it bled and dripped toward the sides and away from the middle, he was facing DOWN by the time his head actually began bleeding. He might've hit his head on the sidewalk before he shot Trayvon, and he might’ve been on his back just long enough to get a couple of abrasions, but the blood is not coming out of the abrasions in the right direction for Zimmerman to have been on his back more than just momentarily. That is not consistent with Zimmerman's story of being held down and subdued after having his head pounded on the sidewalk.
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ReplyDeleteMy common-sense conservative conclusion: Zimmerman sustained neither a concussion nor even a serious head injury on the sidewalk because he wasn’t even down on his back there long enough to be “Held down” and his head “beaten on the sidewalk”.
Without the presence of blood in the front, Zimmerman is also lying about being cold-cocked or sucker-punched in the nose as well. There's NO BLOOD. A bump, maybe. Or MAYBE the wounds were even self-inflicted in a panic after shooting the boy. There no way to know. But we do know that George was not being beaten repeatedly and restrained on the sidewalk as he described.
Just to add to the faulty logic in Zimmerman’s "story": The length of his hair would make it difficult to grasp his head firmly and subdue him to begin, even with both hands grasping his ears while sitting on top of his waist, simply because the “man on the bottom” still has two hands to defend himself with. But let’s assume Trayvon, at 158 lbs is immensely stronger and is able to get himself into a sitting position atop Zimmerman, and he has managed to secure Zimmerman’s head in his hands, clutching firmly enough that he can grab and continuously "pound" Zimmerman’s almost bald, rain/blood slickened head on the pavement. In that position, where is Trayvon’s 3rd hand coming from that is going to cover his mouth, also? Finally, with all three hands occupied, how is Trayvon able to also reach for your gun? Oh, he reached with his 4th hand?
“Man, I don’t blame you for shooting the nigger, Georgie. He was coming at you from 4 directions, all at the same time.”
“Oh, one more detail too many that you mention to the officer… when you shot the boy, you still weren’t sure if he had a weapon or something else in his hand. Didn’t you say that? I suppose that was his 5th hand that you couldn’t see even though he was securely holding your sweaty, rain-soaked, blood-dripping skinhead down with both hands, beating your head repeatedly into the sidewalk, meanwhile covering your mouth while you tried to scream 40 times (or a minute, or whatever you claimed) AND reaching for your gun. And you still weren’t sure if he had a weapon in his hand?"
"Bullshit, Georgie. You murdered the kid.”
“I don’t even want to address what you did AFTER you shot him because you have a fucking gun in your hand and you’ve just shot a kid and now you’re gonna spread his hands to his side with Trayvon on his belly with a sucking wound in his chest? Hadn’t you at least even noticed BY THAT TIME that the kid had NO FUCKING WEAPON? Or maybe that he was shot? Or not fighting? Or DYING?"
"Fuck you, George Zimmerman, you’re a murderer. And I hope you have 20 years to find a nice cellmate in prison that'll let you be his bitch so he’ll take care of you and not let you bump your little head or bump your little nose, so they don't get scratched and bleed."
"Because you’re a punk, Zimmerman, and you need to be able to remember clearly every day for 20 years why you're in prison and exactly what you’ve done to Trayvon’s family, so you can get out one day and go to them, look them directly in the eyes and then apologize to them and mean what you say."
"Until then, you aren't sorry at all. You're just scared. A scared liar. A scared, lying, little sack-of-shit punk. So get over yourself and quit this bullshit playing the victim. Until you do, you aren't worth killing nor having any compassion for either."
I don't think those wounds on the back of his head look remotely like something you'd get as he described. My first knee jerk reaction was that they were fingernail gouges from a person who was facing him - defense reaction from Trayvon.
DeleteShe's Toast, your entire post makes absolute sense. I just looked at the links posted in all the threads, and everything you said seems to line up with the facts and whatever evidence is left.
DeleteI can't imagine losing one of my children, and I'm amazed at the courage, grace, and dignity with which his parents have carried themselves. How they remain composed is beyond me.
My sincerest hope is GZ is brought to justice. It won't bring Treyvon back, but it may help change the law so this travesty doesn't happen to another family.
I just read an article in ADN yesterday about a momma black bear with 4 cubs that was caught in a bear bait trap and shot. I thought spring hunting season ended June 10. Baiting bears and traps seems so horrible. Do bear hunters eat the meat of the bear? Do they use the skins or just kill and torture for the thrills?
ReplyDeleteGeorge Z is a paranoid, racist, pathological liar with delusions of grandeur who cashed cashed in on his tabloid fame.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, where have we seen that before?
I was in an auto accident. No one was hurt-- seat belts and air bags do save lives. The impact of the airbag hit my face so hard that it left bruises-- and my nose wasn't broken. The tissue around the nose and the eyes is so sensitive that it bruises easily, and Zimmerman never showed any bruising like that.
ReplyDeleterelax people.
ReplyDeleteit seems pretty obvious to me that the prosecution has overwhelming evidence that this guy is lying and convicting him will be rather simple.
remember this: we are talking here about florida a state that is overly racist in how they enforce the law.
these gun laws were passed just to placate the white folks who feel threatened by anyone in a skin one shade darker than their own.
research racist fl. under jebb bush and you will see that the state doesnt want to prosecute zimmerman or any person that kills a black person.
its just that in this case they cant avoid it!
George Zimmerman is a liar on the same level as Casey Anthony or Sarah Palin. Nothing he says is the truth.
ReplyDeleteAre my family members the only ones who like to walk in the rain? One of the many, many, things that bothers me here is that Zimmerman thought it was suspicious that Martin was walking in the rain. I've been known to walk in the rain for hours, as do both my kids (not when thundering tho!). Is that such horrible behavior we deserve to be shot for it?
ReplyDeleteI lived in Florida for several years. You get used to the rain as it's no big deal. It starts and stops within seconds at times...usually light rainfall. So it's not unusual for someone to be walking home at 7 o'clock at night. Damn, it wasn't midnight nor was he "checking out the houses" like GZ said. He was suspicious from the beginning simply because he was black.
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