Morality is not determined by the church you attend nor the faith you embrace. It is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey
Hyenas never looked so happy-go-lucky (before).
It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out...Bain income between 1999-2002, years where his tax liability was well below 14%, more offshore accounts, multimillion dollar IRA's, tax deductions for Ann's dancing horses, ridiculously low SSI payments for his housekeepers and maids, etc.Romney has been living in his bubble of rarified air for so long he has absolutely no idea that getting elected president of the US, is not like getting elected chairman of the board. He thinks the rules don't apply, his lawyers and accountants can fix everything, and he doesn't owe anyone an explanation for anything. His ability to lie and obfuscate is breathtaking in light of concrete evidence of his actions. This is only the beginning...if you think the Obama campaign isn't sitting on mountains of other filings, etc you sorely underestimate them.
We already know he got a $100K payment per year from them during the time he was supposedly not in charge.Also Bain invested in a Chinese company in 1998, one that made sure jobs died here and were reborn overseas. This is one he cannot get away from no matter what he says.
Willard is lying about Bain and it doesn't matter what the lie is about any more. It's the fact that he's LYING to the voters. His own party dislikes him already, now this Bain mess makes him a liability. He may be replaced at the GOP Convention. I hear the Ron Paul supporters have a plan in play. Let's hope!
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dsmyre, are you SURE you want someone to replace him at the convention? Looks to me like he is the best man on the liberal side! He's doing an excellent job of destroying himself!
BRILLIANT VIRGINIA VOTER!
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So there's no resemblance in the two ears... who cares?
hahahahahah the returns must have scared McCain. I mean, why else choose a middle class woman over a billionaire with interesting employment history.Btw, I have no problems with Bain Capital. Nothing was illegal. People who are pisses should be pissed at their companies and higher ups for selling them out. All Bain and Co did was make agreements like good businessmen. THAT is business.
I basically agree about Bain. My biggest issue is that it is no model for how to run a government. You can't outsource the poor. Being president means that you have to balance the entire welfare of the nation, and all of its citizens, as efficiently as possible. That means providing a social safety net for the disadvantaged since cutting them off entirely will lead to a vast number of other problems that cause the economy great expense (i.e. crime, hospital care). Besides, its morally the right thing to do. There doesn't seem to be a single republican anymore that understands this principle.Mittens is certainly one of the least qualified because of his experience at Bain. His experience as governor has more bearing, but he is currently totally unwilling to acknowledge that history in his campaign.
You'd sing a different tune of you lost your house and livelihood.
For anonymous 4:43 and those who responded: The problem I have with Bain is that there WERE no laws broken! And a lot of other companies fall into that same arena. When people created the free trade agreements they didn't expect (stupid, I know) that every business with no moral compass would immediately move where it was cheaper to operate and manufacture so they could make more money. Remember "That giant sucking sound!"?The authors didn't put any penalties in place to prevent it or even slow it down. And now, with the Republicans in control of the House, our President hasn't a ghost of a chance of getting any kind of penalties in place. Hell, he can't even get them to remove the tax credits for the oil industry removed. And they have TOLD Congress they don't need it! And as far as I know, even suggesting that tax CREDITS be made for RETURNING can't pass them!5:14? 4:43 makes a very valid point. Selling out to a known destroyer puts them in the same boat as the likes of Bain. And there are a lot of companies like them. He wasn't trying to say that what they did was right. Only not illegal.
Really??? So you think it's moral to buy a company, rack up debt and use this borrowed Monet to pay your shareholders and then declare bankruptcy? This not only screwed the people in the company, it screws taxpayers. Are you one of those? This isn't good business. Are you out of your mind. Do you work in business?This is sleezy and unethical. Making millions off the backs of people and screwing the government ( taxpayers) is a disgusting and immoral way of doing business.Have you really read about all the ways Bain made money only for the purpose of paying its wealthy shareholders?
Anonymous 6:28. Learn to read and COMPREHEND! Where exactly did I say ANYTHING remotely like it was good business? I said nothing about Bain being moral or doing GOOD business. I merely said they DID NOTHING ILLEGAL! And I further pointed out some of the other negative things business has been allowed to do. NOT ONCE did I say they were RIGHT in their actions or moral. I thought I was quite clear in saying they way the laws are set up they could do as they pleased. I believe I even stated - obliquely, I'll admit - that the laws should be changed, but that with the Republicans in control of the House it would never happen.And further. I believe that if you read again what I wrote you would see I even specified "Companies with no moral compass...". And I further stated that owners who sold out to destroyers like Bain were putting themselves in the same boat. Merely spreading the moral failures does not mean I said anything remotely like I was saying it was morally allowable.As I said, learn to actually comprehend what someone writes. And reread the last sentence. "He wasn't saying that what they did was right. Only not illegal." That is a far cry from saying what they did was right!
Leland, relax for goodness sake!! I was not responding to you! I was responding to 4:43 am!There was no other way to respond. What is your problem!? Why tell someone off without looking at the entire thread.
Anonynous 7:41. OOPS! Sorry. I guess I hanged myself with my own words. I am terribly sorry!
All of you - watch "Wall Street" w/Michael Douglas and Charlie Sheen - Mitt's doings are reflected in the movie. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
I think John McCain can secretly be turned against Romney. He dislikes the man so. Anyway, I find it interesting that his vet of Romney ended up on the internet. Romney is a walking nightmare. And if Palin is in the mix and Romney was thrown out . . . .you know he stunk.
Maybe? Mitt Robme has been slippin' and slidin' around financial laws for years, skimming and skirting whenever possible because he CAN. After all he's rich, ultra rich and we all know that the laws don't really apply to the ultra rich, right? Well, that is the general mindset of those who feel they are 'entitled'. The chickens are coming home to roost with the national and international spotlight on Mitt in a way that has not happened before and he is squirming to learn that he can run but he can't hide...well not for much longer, anyway.Obama is an astute, capable, brilliant politico when he needs to be and he has a stunning way of letting his adversaries have enough rope until they hang themselves, and then he just reels them in. This is fascinating watching how this a playing out. And all Robme can do is sputter and whine and deflect and call names and stamp his feet like a toddler. Presidential material? Not even.
Great post! And Romney will be outraged because he and those like him are incapable of seeing how out of touch they are with 99% of Americans.
I love and respect President Obama more and more every day!!! He is the best and Romney doesn't even know what hit him!!!
McCain was lucky, not smart. Remember he picked Palin - not smart at all.
I'm feeling energized that the Obama campaign is really going after Romney's credibility now. Sure, when compared to his oompetitors in the primaries, he looked like the grown-up. But I don't think he's ever had his credibilitiy, his record, his pronouncements challenged in a serious, documented way until now. He's been a son of privledge, a CEO etc and he seems to think he can just say whatever he wants.also--his severance from Bain was spread over ten years. That probably shows up in his tax returns in a big way.
Ok, kids, let's dig in and find the dirt:McCain 2008 Oppo File on Romney:http://www.scribd.com/doc/78582788/McCain-2008-Oppo-File
Great! I was going to copy and paste the link, but now you've provided it for everyone. I have saved it on my computer because it is so long and takes forever to wade through it. It is a real eye opener!
Sorry, I can't use Scribd.com to download stuff. I can only read it there. *sigh*
Yet Another Nugget To Undercut Romney's Storyhttp://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/yet-another-nugget-to-undercut-romneys-story.html
how could willard finagle having $1,000,000 in an IRA? Following IRA rules, is it mathematically impossible?
It is $101 million not $1 million, even more impossible.
I noticed this too!!!! There is something very off about his IRA!! Romney is a crook!
Under value or make valueless the initial investment. Once the IRA is established, the true value of the asset is realized and BINGO you've got a huge IRA! See how that works kids? But only the uber wealthy need apply, for the rest of us peons it's the standard IRA deductions....
@8:43- That is amazing.
I bet there is a lot of crud in those filings...but I'm pretty sure McCain didn't pick Romney because Romney is an asshole that no one likes and you usually have to spend a lot of time with your running mate. Plus he had to appease the cuckoo Christians which you can't do with a Mormon.
you usually have to spend a lot of time with your running mate.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`You would think, but not really. McCain definitely didn't spend much time with Palin AT. ALL.Also, strategically speaking, the campaign wants to cover more ground, so they split up the ticket. But, You are right in that John McCain - and MOST of the BIG Rethugs, really, really, REALLY do. not. like. Mittens. And these men are old money and all that. Mittens "came up" just fine. I think they are freaked out by his strict adherence to Mormonism (He's a member of a cult!), and his "oatmeal" personality. *Now I know people will defend Mormonism by saying they know some kind Mormons. That does not mean those people are not in a cult.If you REALLY want to defend Mormonism, you need to learn about Mormonism. Not just "approve" of it b/c you happen to know a nice family. That's great for them, but it's not about your friends/family, it's about the Mormon cult.
Maybe we're looking at it the wrong way. Maybe he won't release more than two years of returns because he's afraid the GOP will find out he somehow failed to take advantage of every possible loophole.
Or his church will find out he's not been tithing his full 10% before taxes....
Romney is a master at obfuscation, just like Nixon was, but maybe even better. He's hidden who knows how much money all around the world, and I bet his tax returns wouldn't help the taxman find it all. That being said, do we really want a president so skilled at outmaneuvering the law? Both Bush and Obama stretched the constitution to the breaking point with the Patriot act and further attacks on freedom. And in case anyone thinks I'm a TeaParty crazy person, you can come and check out my Obama yard sign that has already been up a month, and if you knock on my door, chances are, I'll answer in my stylish 2012 Obama t-shirt (this year's shirts are way cool). But the fact is, Romney is a cheater, and the last thing we need in the White House is an immoral (yes, for all his 5 beautiful kids and Morman crap, I think anyone who lies as much as this guy is totally immoral) scoundrel who is unused to being held accountable for his actions. If anybody who reads this blog is still on the fence about the election (other than Kristy who probably supports Bristol/Willow 2012 and doesn't know what a Syria is), remember all the countries Willard thinks are our super enemies: Russia, China and, of course, Iran. He understands foreign relations as well as most of us understand particle physics. We'll be in another war fast, and only the military industrial complex will be happy. And the Supreme Court? He would quite possibly have 3 picks. Bye bye Roe vs. Wade and hello to an amendment that gives a brand new fertilized egg more rights than the being in which it lives. Romney would be a disaster - maybe even worse than Bush.
betsycaz, are you forgetting what the Mormon's call it? "Lying for Jesus!"
Sorry, Leland. As an atheist, I can get really confused. I think Jesus said, "Lie unto me, my children" is that right?
IMO, whatever was in his returns had zero to do with Mittens not getting the veep nod. Think about it, McCain was already fairly unpopular with a large segment of the right especially evangelicals. What psychosis would make him choose Romney, who is even MORE disliked by the very same people?Palin was chosen because she looked good, could fake that irksome folksy down-home charisma and could connect with the segments of the right that hated McCain. Simple.
Boscoe: I totally agree with you! McCain knew Mittens would not be a good choice. Too bad he picked Palin - bet he truthfully (he'd never admit) regrets it still today.OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Willard (W II) has all the smug sense of entitlement and arrogance and evil of W I with an added high level of ambition tossed in.
I had heard that McCain didn't pick Romney because between the two of them, they had something like 16 houses. Well, mansions and that would have looked bad at the time. Still does.
McCain sure did pick a loser in Sarah Palin.That woman can't even raise educated kids.That woman can't even keep a faithful marriage.That woman can't keep her husband from running a family prostitution business.One thing that woman is excellent at is grifting, scamming and raising a household full of uneducated conniving grifters whose sole purpose in life is to get tv reality shows and to get on DWTS.
Gryphen, once again you're off track here. All of this talk about ethics, morality and dishonesty is just a distraction from the real situation that you and your librul Bolshevik blog buddies are too myopic to see. Mittens Rmoney IS going to be president. Sure, if it turns out he's a lying sack of shit, it wont be this year, fine. But Amercia has a very short memory. By 2016, this tempest in a toilet bowl will be forgotten and Mittens will be back as strong as ever working the GOP fundraisers like a surgically re-virginized street whore. And if new allegations surface then, he'll scuttle back to his lair and wait for 2020. Or 2024. Or 2028!Don't you understand, man, he will NEVER give up! He failed in 2008, he'll probably fail in 2012, 2016, and 2020. But he WILL keep trying. Wouldnt it be a lot easier on everyone to just let the guy be president for 8 years starting in 2013 and get this nightmare over with? What harm could it do?And this is why I'm endorsing Milliard Mittens "Mitt" Rmoney for president in 2012."Because Now It's HIS turn, God da-Mitt!"
Beldar: Think you wrong in your statements. Mittens problems (the same ones) keep coming up each time he runs for something and he keeps answering in the same manner. There is a huge difference this time - the 'facts' are being brought out and I suspect there will be a huge investigation in this matter - either by journalists or the federal government. I firmly believe thatPresident Obama will be reelected in a landslide! And, then hopefully, Hillary Clinton runs in 2016. But, Biden is coming across splendidly too - especially his recent speech before the NAACP! He was outstanding!
Beldar...Rmoney is going to be the Susan Lucci of Presidential elections....he'll always be thisclose...but alas...more talented folks will beat him EVERY TIME!And guess what...Susan Lucci's show got canceled! Uh...Meh you're next buddy!
Another great Beldar Torus Klaatu Conehead comment, as usual!Love the Analogy, Gina! Happy *belated*Bastille Day! Anita Marie "Let them eat brioche" Antoinette Winecooler
Anita Marie -Dont give the bastards any ideas, will ya! I heard a rumor somewhere that when Mittens is president he's going to repeal the foodstamps program and replace it with a system where poor people can go to collection stations to pick up the stale croissants and expired French cheeses left over from rich peoples' larders. Huzzah!!Let them eat brioche, indeed....In the NEW Rmoney Amercia, EVERYBODY wins.
Yeah, after Romeny's Outstanding rendition of "Amercia the Beautiful" I can't WAIT to hear him rock out "La Marseillaise"!
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Remember, Sarah is on record as to having said she'll do 'whatever' until proven wrong by the law/lawyers/investigations and then I sincerely hope 'convictions'.
That Sarah Palin is a Fucking Idiot.
This is "how" Mittens could have potentially "stuffed" his IRA account....-----------------------------Here's One Of The Clever Financial Tricks Mitt Romney Used To Become Dynastically RichHenry Blodget|Jul. 13, 2012, 1:33 PMhttp://www.businessinsider.com/heres-one-of-the-clever-financial-tricks-that-mitt-romney-used-to-become-dynastically-rich-2012-7-----------------------------
Is this where Sarah's saying, "Hey, I want to be as rich as you fella's." This politics thing is easy, and I can laugh all the way to the bank.
I'd hate to be in his shoes when the SEC comes knocking! The POTUS has done a mighty fine job of doing what Mitt was unable to do, Define the content of his lack of character. He doesn't have a long enough memory to lie and get away with it, all he does is lie. My 79 yo mother said it best. "If Romney were a fish for sale, I wouldn't bother looking at the gills- those eyes say it all!" And she was being kind!
The key to the Bain attacks is to force Romney to disclose his tax returns. If he could show 23 years to john mccain why can't he show them to the American people? Did Romney do anything illegall? Very doubtful. His tax returns will show how decades of tax benefits will allow a member of the 1% to accumulate hundreds of millions of dollars with out even getting his hands dirty and only paying 15% or most likely lower at the same time..not to mention not taking responsibilities for business decision that directly made him money. Even if bain wasn't being actively managed by Romney he still made tens of millions of dollars from the company made deals that offshored jobs. He still profited from it and he can never run from that especially if his tax returns for the time are in the public eye. Obama's team wants to split the lower middle class blue collar voter from the republican party fold and romney being a symbol of the benefits of the 1% could do it.
If ONLY John McCain and his people had such an extentsive "Vetting" report on Palin as they did with Romney yet didn't do with her, then only you Alaskans would be having to put up with her.Sorry to say but at least you now have our pity of having to put up with her at all.America feels your pain now.--GypsyRobin
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