Courtesy of the You Tube site:
After speaking at the 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference, Paul Ryan refuses to answer why he based his budget on the extreme ideology of Ayn Rand and not Biblical principles of economic justice then runs away from the Bible offered to him by the 7000 members of Faithful America who signed a petition asking the same question.
"I appreciate it. I've got some bibles."
Perhaps but one has to wonder if he has actually read any of them.
The fact is that while Ryan hides behind the camouflage provided by Christianity, his budget is anything BUT humane or moral.
In fact just the other day he stated that he and Mitt Romney would IMMEDIATELY move to protect defense spending by instead cutting funds from programs that serve the poor and needy.
Courtesy of TPM:
If Mitt Romney wins in November, he and a Republican Congress will fast track legislation early next year to replace across the board defense cuts with cuts to food stamps and other programs for needy Americans.
“In January our intention is that if we don’t fix it in the lame duck is to fix it retroactively once a new session of Congress takes place,” Paul Ryan, Romney’s running mate, told a crowd in North Carolina Thursday, “We have procedural way in the Senate to advance that legislation very quickly and get it to the next President of the United States who I believe is going to be Mitt Romney, to pass that into law and retroactively prevent that sequester from taking place in January.”
Ryan was referring to legislation House Republicans passed earlier this year to avert sequestration — the penalty Congress imposed on itself, on a bipartisan basis, for not reaching an agreement on more targeted legislation to reduce the deficit. Sequestration will cause deep, abrupt cuts to both defense and non-defense programs starting early next year, and for the next 10 years, unless Congress overturns it or replaces it with other savings.
I don't give too much credit to religion for instilling morality in people, but it certainly could not have hurt for Ryan to have taken that Bible back in 2011 and perhaps read some of the words attributed to this Jesus guy whom his declared faith is named after.
What an A##HOLE all he needed to do was just take the bible and say thank you very much I will think about what you said. I can't believe the ignorant schmucks that want to vote fot these tools. They think they are better than "you people"
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ReplyDeleteUS election: Mitt Romney may have breached ethics laws through company linked to Paul Ryan's brother
Mitt Romney may have breached state ethics laws as Governor of Massachusetts by holding a stake in a company that did lucrative work for his administration and was linked to the family of Paul Ryan, a Daily Telegraph investigation has found.
Catholics don't read the Bible, they read the Bulletin-Kathleen Madigan.
ReplyDeleteRyan most probably hasn't spent much time reading the Bible. Seriously, throughout my Catholic education, Bible reading or even study was not emphasized. In my mother's day, it was discouraged because the average person might see conflicts with the garbage they heard in sermons and start asking uncomfortable questions. A friend of mine who grew up in Mexico said that when he was a kid in the 50's the priest told them to avoid the Bible because it would make you crazy.
Olivia, I can relate.
DeleteI don't recall the bible as a huge factor in my childhood (1960s, 1970s). Though it was present, read, studied, while I was also raised Catholic, I was more of a positive oriented, good for all, social justice, compassionate, nurturing, caring Jesus.
I got the best of Jesus without having to suffer through the bible or be like enough other people who pick and choose what they want out of the bible to justify their stands on anything. While they claim the bible is infallible, they don't practice nor obey all that is in it.
That only applies to other people and never the infallible bible believers. Nor does it apply to Catholics such as Paul Ryan. Even if he didn't read the bible, he certainly doesn't understand Catholicism nor Jesus.
Now I don't believe in much anymore. Enough conservative, hating, wrongly righteous wackos for Jeebus have destroyed any interest I have in Jesus.
So right. We were to memorize the catechism but avoid the bible because we might not understand it. Reading the bible was for priests, when they weren't doing nasties to the altar boys. [snark]
Delete"I don't recall the bible as a huge factor in my childhood (1960s, 1970s). Though it was present, read, studied, while I was also raised Catholic, I was more of a positive oriented, good for all, social justice, compassionate, nurturing, caring Jesus."
DeleteAgreed! I believe in God. I just don't believe in organized religion.
I read it by age 9, very precocious was I, and asked questions of the sisters who taught me in school. I asked one: If there were no people would there be a god? and that one got me is serious trouble. Of course no one could answer it and that was the end of any "faith" I had in any god or religion.
DeleteRyan has never read the bible cover to cover, if he did he would not be who he is today.
I always got into trouble by asking questions like where did Lilith come from (Adam's son's wife)?
DeleteDid we go to the same school. It's why I gave up religion for philosophy long ago, and have never regretted it.
DeleteInteresting. I was raised in a reformed church and we did read the Bible, and ,memorized verses, and had a very active and vocal Sunday School class through high school where we asked all kinds of questions. I remember asking my mother why I couldn't learn about other religions before being 'confirmed' in Grandma's church. She told me to get some books and read up. I did, and what sticks with me is that every religion has the Golden Rule and Love Thy Neighbor at its core; the two things totally lost on the GOP.
DeleteDitto. I went to Catholic school from grade 1 - 12 (in the dark ages... late 50's - '60's) and I don't recall the Bible being as much emphasized as it seems to be in fundie denominations. It was taught more as the background leading to Jesus's establishment of Roman Catholicism. The emphasis was always on the latter.
DeleteWhen I started high school one of the books my parents had to buy for my religious instruction was a Catholic bible. I NEVER opened it in class (or out of class ) - not once.
I went to a Catholic high school in a big liberal city, and I got a liberal education (one of my religion teachers was a priest who got reassigned for protesting Pope Paul IV's renewed prohibition on contraception... another brought in members of other religions we could question about their belief systems) that led to my rejecting the whole shebang by the time I graduated. Boy, were my parents pissed.
So even though I am now a heathen, I will admit to having a few fond memories of Catholic school. Plenty of non-fond ones, too, but it wasn't all bad. It taught me to be an altruistic person and not value material things - one lesson Paul Ryan sure never learned.
I wish I had fond memories but alas getting felt up by the gay nun in eighth grade and seeing several male pals abused by visiting clerics hunting for money and boy sex sort of killed that off. High school wasn't much better with the priest who taught marriage giving A's for blow jobs to the pretty gals and several teachers in wife swapping parties (my mom was a teacher and told me all of the shit that went on). Oh and then college, yes good old Santa Clara U, where the priest in the all girl dorm chased one pretty coed up three flights of stairs to try and rape her.
DeleteFind memories of things catholic... not bloody likely.
11:16, I guess you missed the part of my post where I said I had some NON-fond memories too.
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I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BOOK TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO
ReplyDeletedog nab it these fuckin' holy people make me just nuts
and the king of pedophile protectors talking at the convention.........priceless
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/24/739831/romney-data-mining/
ReplyDeleteMy mother, who was just making ends meet, would always leave a very generous tip for her coffee-shop waitress or wherever she was -- "Cast your bread upon the waters!" she would say to me.
ReplyDeleteI said that to my mid-20s son yesterday, and he asked me what it meant and where it came from. I knew it was from the Bible, but was a little sketchy on which part. I explained that it meant the same as when he helped a mother the night before buy the larger size of milk at the convenience store because she didn't have enough money....that generosity (love) sent out into the world simply makes it a better place for all of us.
Then I found out the quote is from Ecclesiastes, and there are more interpretations of it than there are divinity students in Boston. But the basic message is still the same as what Jesus taught in so many different ways: love thy neighbor.
The Republican Party/Christianists are as far from the teachings of Jesus as possible. No wonder Ryan didn't want to be burdened by some insignificant book that might remind him that his tough-guy, Social Darwinian, elite and entitled attitude has nothing to do with his professed "religion."
My mother used to use the exact same phrase (and lived by it).
DeleteThe Paul Ryans of the world sure don't, even though they try to ram it down every one's throat that they are such devout Christians.
Bullshit.
My mom used to say the same thing when we fed the ducks stale bread at the pond, and it made sense!!
DeleteTo see how this is going to be a close election is beyond my understanding...how is it possible. Listening to that judge talk about an uprising if Obama wins makes me think just the opposite if these 2 assholes win...wtf is the matter with this country?
ReplyDeleteAs if that isn't enough, there was another shooting this AM in NYC at the Empire State building, where my youngest daughter works on the 3rd floor. She is fine, but heard the gunshots....it just never ends. I'm gonna have a drink and go back to bed.
Sadly, many of the shooting victims were hit by trained police men trying to take out the shooter. Just imagine if untrained people had been able to use guns, you know like all the NRA owned fools want.
DeleteGryphen, maybe you're just envious of the good xtians (and Mormons) that god deigns to make wealthy and powerful as a reward for their devoutitude, spiritual purity and meticulous tax avoidance strategery.
ReplyDeleteMaybe if YOU 'got some bibles' as Ryan does, you'd have money, political influence and that quirky widow's peak hairdo, also, too....
Oh, yeah, that devoutitude and strategery will get them all the money and power they desire, because... oh, I don't know why!
DeleteAs for the mini hair visor Ryan wears above his widow's peak, it keeps him from being "Blinded by the Light" (remember the rest of the lyrics?) of his own magnificence, dont'cha know?
YOu should have changed your avatar for that one, Beldar: Beldar John Calvin Klaatu
DeleteYes we're all jealous. We all want to have a quarter billion, so much that we aren't even sure how much it is, where it is, or what the tax preparer does to make us pay a teeny bit to assuage our conscience each year. And stables and car elevators, servants, private islands...no, I NEVER wanted all that. I wanted to be confortable and raise good kids who got educations and jobs. I did all that, and am thankful for Obama and some semblance of sanity in DC. Vote, people, or this country will be gone by 2016.
DeletePaulie Ryan is a Roman Catholic. They don't read the Bible and until quite recently were discouraged from doing so. See "The Baltimore Catechism. With the RCC, it's all about dogma.
ReplyDeleteBut Catholics ARE encouraged to do good works in emulation of Jesus Christ - in fact, where fundies are taught all they need is faith, Catholics are taught they need both faith and good works to get into heaven.
DeleteMethinks that Jesus Christ would be ex-communicated from the RCC if he lived today.
ReplyDeleteThat's why they have a special arm of the Vatican who sniffs out all the other words of Jesus. Most of it is buried in the basement archives that no one ever sees.
DeleteThe RCC has these special salespeople on the staff to tell you where to send your money, and to tell you what the word of god is.
DeleteIn the past, some of these salespeople were known to tell children that god told them that seks with the man in black was a good thing, also too.
Meantime, no pregnancy ever results from legitimate rape.
The form Christianity takes for powerful Washington elites is unrecognizable to the citizens who vote for them. If fascism is built around a cult of personality then Jesus is the ultimate figurehead. Of course it's necessary to strip him of any dangerous ideas (the kind he actually espoused). This is why 'Christian' elites love Jesus so much while conspicuously ignoring his actual teachings. Fortunately for these leaders very few Christians actually bother to read their bibles.
ReplyDeleteYep. The real Jesus was a long and kinky haired, dress and sandal wearin' hippie, who eschewed capitalism and the monetary system (temple money changers, anyone?) lived communally with twelve guys and prostitutes and the poor, gave out food without asking if everyone had applied for x number of jobs, etc.
DeleteNot one TeaTHUGlican thing about him, was there?
What tea partiers need to know now is that their heroes are not what they seem. They are not what they say they are. They use 'christian' to soothe their electorate very cunningly. They may have a bible in one hand, or a cross pendant on the neck, or claim they grew up in a pro-life atmosphere, but despite the fakery, their motives are finally being exposed.
ReplyDeleteWho would have imagined that politicians now use their 'christian heritage' as a qualification for running? All they ever had to do is be honest and act on principles. Submitting to wealthy donors and selling out to pharmacies and insurers and power-makers is starting to unravel for them.
Who would have thought that Sarah P. would have demanded that Rep. Akin be removed? Four years ago, tea partiers would have seen the double standard. Even Huckabee, the family councils and evangelical community are outraged now and shocked and angry that their repub brothers haven't stood behind him. The candidates who pretended they were the 'one' are now showing their true colors. They are willing to sell out to the highest bidder.
I just hope that people get too discouraged so they don't vote on election day, as it's getting exhausting trying to decipher what the hell is going on with the 'right'.
Warnings issued eight decades ago:
Delete"when fascism arrives, if will be wrapped in the flag, carrying the bible..."
Need them, VOTE!!!
It's almost as if they have an entire list of outrageous things for Mitt and Ryan to throw out there, and will ride one a couple of days, then throw out the next. This was awfully low from Mitt today...especially when he has been feigning outrage at the President's 'angry and mean' caqmpaign not 'running on issues.' Well, come on, Mitt, be the adult. Talk issues. But you can't and won't. You are a sorry excuse for a human being and a disgrace to Americans in general. I hope you lose by double digits (which would be a mean feat considering the machine rigging probably happening as we speak.)
Deletei am not sure why people feel compelled to give other people a copy of the bible. they are available in every bookstore and online. i find the gift aspect of the story presumptious.
ReplyDeletei suppose one might get lots of things handed to you in the public eye and at some point it is probably a good thing not to take things unsolicited.
whether he is roman catholic, mormon, protestant, or atheist (or any other religion or lack thereof)....the office of the president does not have a religious requirement.
however, the policy choices that these two men propose and the policies that they hide from are what is important. if those policies are shaped by their religious convictions -- then it is part of the political discussion -- but it is the POLICY that must pass the litmus test - not the rationale behind it per se.
You make some good points... but Ryan is the one who drags his supposed belief system into the light, trolling for Xtian votes. When his actions are at odds with that often inconvenient belief system which he piously but falsely claims to follow, he deserves to be publicly called on it. He is trying to have it two mutually exclusive ways.
DeleteSome interesting tidbits about Ryan:
DeleteHis father's death provided Ryan with Social Security survivor's benefits until his 18th birthday, which he saved to pay for his college education.
Ryan attended St JOhn Vianney in Janesville. from: http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:Diocese_of_Madison
"Anon priest affair II Former St. John Vianney priest who was accused in 2003 of sexually assaulting a Janesville boy. The man, who was 26 years old when he made his accusations, said the assault happened when he was in fifth and six grades." That means @ 1987 - Ryan would have been @17 years old at this time.
Ryan is still a member of that parish per wiki.
The Ryans have been married twelve years and have three children.
Wait, what? After all, his amendments and RCC faith mean no BC - so........only three kids? Somebody isn't playing by his own rules.
Ryan and wifey Janna have been married fr
and i agree with you 9:41 - republican candidates start the fire because their base demands a religious test - causing the candidates to outrun each other to crazy land to try to qualify for their base voters.
Deleteryan capitalizes on his willingness to go all the way out into crazy land on no exception abortion banning as a means of satisfying a uncompromising religious base.
to me this injection of a "who is more religious" dialogue into political races is not helpful and 9 times out of 10 dominates the dialogue to the detriment of the public's need to know details of various plans -- jobs, economic growth, infrastructure investments, a more nimble national defense, and a humane foreign policy.
what we get is frat party antics and dire siren calls masking the rape and pillage of our blood and treasure by corporations.
Priceless, but not too unexpected given that his idol (Ayn Rand) was fervently opposed to all manner of religion.
ReplyDeleteHow sad, Paul Ryan's true colors and beliefs are coming through loud and clear. Mitt, you really picked a winner! Now, about those 1040s?
ReplyDeleteAre you aware that Archbishop Dolan is giving the final blessing at the end of RNC? This is the same man who ignored the pedophile priests.
ReplyDeleteAnd he has been the lead voice against the contraception issue from which Sandra Fluke was introduced to us and the Nuns on the Bus.
DeleteThis should be going viral. This pedo-enabler's own ass should be in jail.
DeleteOh Dolan did way the hell more than ignore. He aided and abetted them by allowing them to collect pensions and move to other parishes. He is in it deeper than the other red shit Law.
DeleteThis is going to sound nuts, but he's the perfect choice! Ryan can ramble on and on about his Roman Catholic Experience, but Romney won't dare address his Mormon Religion.
DeleteDolan is the shiny object.
This is soooo true, "hides behind the camouflage provided by Christianity" That's what they all do! These holier than thou hypocrites know all they have to do is talk 'Christian' and they'll have voters eating out of their hands. Re: The Palins..
ReplyDeleteJoe Biden treats people with far more respect. He talks to press and treats people who talk to him as human beings. He doesn't run away from people or his views. I'm sure Joe Biden has enough Bibles too, but he would have accepted the Bible out of courtesy, looked the person in the eye and said "Thank You."
ReplyDeleteI heart Joe Biden!
DeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteRomney makes joke about 'birth certificate'.
http://on.aol.com/video/romney-makes-joke-about-birth-certificate-517455404
Mitt Romney made a joke about his birth certificate at a rally in Commerce, Mich. on Friday.
Speaking about his Michigan roots, he said, "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised."
The joke was received with hearty applause by the audience. Still, it was an awkward moment for the candidate to play on the birther conspiracies that have plagued Barack Obama since he ran for president in 2008, even after the president released his "long-form" birth certificate in 2011.
The Obama campaign quickly responded, with spokesman Ben LaBolt saying that Romney was embracing the most extreme elements in the conservative movement.
"Throughout this campaign, Governor Romney has embraced the most strident voices in his party instead of standing up to them," he said. "It's one thing to give the stage in Tampa to Donald Trump, Sheriff Arpaio, and Kris Kobach. But Governor Romney's decision to directly enlist himself in the birther movement should give pause to any rational voter across America."
Romney adviser Kevin Madden played down the joke, saying Romney was "only referencing that Michigan, where he is campaigning today, is the state where he himself was born and raised."
(Above quoted from Huff story but have provided aol link to vid)
Mittens gets his knickers in a knot over Seamus references -- expect it to escalate with many. Mittens has once again confirmed he's a snake oil salesman!!!
Once again -- Mittens steps in it.
DeleteYet, Mitt Romney is asking the Obama Campaign to be civil and respectful.
DeleteMitt, a true leader leads by example.
The GOP's big tent will have become a napkin by the time the November elections roll around.
Obama/Biden 2012!
And the reply should be from Obama: "gee Mitt, nobody's asked for my tax returns." bada boom (not my idea, but it's perfect.)
DeleteGood one Sally in MI
DeleteBill Maher: "My New Rule for Todd Akin and the Republican Party"
ReplyDelete"New Rule: If your entire party tries to get rid of you, and you stay in, you can't talk about how easy it is for a woman to push a stupid prick out of her body."
"When I say religion is a mental illness, this is what I mean: it corrodes your mental faculties to the point where you can believe in tiny ninja warriors who hide in vaginas and lie in wait for bad people's sperm."
Can't wait for his show tonight!!
I don't like leaving Huff links but this is where Maher's post is
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html
If it was a copy of Atlas Shrugged, Ryan would have grabbed it with glee (then back peddled when he remembered he was criticized by the Catholic Bishops for being a Rand fanboy and denounced her).
ReplyDeleteI just made a small donation to the Obama Campaign. Every time I feel frustrated with the GOP shenanigans, I donate, it makes me feel better. It's a worthwhile investment in my opinion. Better than the stock market and savings accounts. I make up for it, by washing my car myself instead of going to the car wash.
ReplyDeleteMost important, if each of us carpooled our neighbors to GOTV, we can help move our country forward instead of backwards!
I did the same exact thing after the Romney birther comment. Every bit helps!
DeleteObama Biden, let's stay together!
Little known fact that few Catholics actually read the Bible. Mormons don't read the bible either.
ReplyDeleteFor decades, Catholics were NOT to read the Bible, and the ones in church were still in Latin, so that the Bishops could tell them exactly what to believem directed by the Pope. I always find it interesting that they have been able to hornswaggle so many people into buying this "Pope is the intermediary to God; confess to your preist or you will not be forgiven" nonsense. There is no appointed POPE in the Scripture. There are no priests appointed by Jesus. It was a religion of the people, who each had a direct line to God through prayer. The Catholic Church and so many others are nothing but a shell game to collect money to enrich the folks at the top. There is no God there people.
DeleteMormons believe in The Book of Mormon. That is their Bible. Scary stuff..Written by a sexual deviant pervert who started a religion so he could screw a multitude of young girls and call them his wives.
DeleteJust because the man says he has "some bibles" doesn't mean he has ever read it. :0)
ReplyDeleteJust like when Mitt says he has "some friends." Possible, but unlikely.
DeleteHere's a link to Bill Maher's absolutely spot-on take down of Todd Akin and the Republican belief system.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html
I went to Catholic school in Canada ( Newfoundland) and we read the Bible daily and were quizzed on it's meaning and were expected to have questions on what we had bread the night before.The nuns were very adept at giving thoughtful thorough answers although the Lilith one did stump as well. In order to be confirmed we were required to take classes on the religions of the world and were presented with our own Bible on confirmation day. ( mine is at my parents as I have a new one. I am always surprised by people who assume I don't read it or have never read it because i am Catholic.
ReplyDeletePaul Ryan is not a real christian. End of story.
ReplyDeleteInteresting article on Biblical sexism (and Paul Ryan):
ReplyDeletehttp://www.streetprophets.com/story/2012/8/21/10127/1065
Ahh, A candidate refuses a Bible. As a former Roman Catholic, I can relate to everyone's "Catholic School Survivor" stories. We had the old order of St Joe nuns, with the killer beads that went from waste to floor, full habits with blinders and no hair showing, metal edged wooden rulers, and strong fists.
ReplyDeleteMy unfond memory of Roman Catholic Church was doing "Catholic Aerobics" Stand sit kneel genuflect, bless yourselves, etc,
I do miss the aroma of incense and the look of stained glass. Now I lite a glade candle and look through a kalidoscope. Same effect, same results.