However I just have to say that when it comes to how much BS you have to swallow in order to be an adherent, perhaps only Scientology can hold a candle to Mormonism.
Saturday, September 01, 2012
If Mitt Romney were REALLY honest about his religion.
However I just have to say that when it comes to how much BS you have to swallow in order to be an adherent, perhaps only Scientology can hold a candle to Mormonism.
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Screw Mitt & Barack
ReplyDeleteVote 3rd party
Really?
DeletePlease realize that one cause of the damn mess that President Obama inherited was Ralph Nader running as a third party in the Bush/Gore debacle.
What 3rd party?
DeleteI WISH A MAJORITY THOUGHT THAT WAY. SCREW BOTH PARTIES AND THEIR STUPID GAMES.
DeleteExample of double standard. Huckabee was first criticized for being in religion. Obama has rferenced praying and God countless times, albeit with empty, insincerity.
CHASM.
You will end up screwing yourself with that philosophy.But hey, if that makes you happy, be aware that I will be going out to cancel your vote.
DeleteI always thought Nader was an interesting character - until the 2000 election and I've hated him ever since. What a different world we'd be living in if that smug asshole Nader hadn't screwed Gore out of the Presidency.
DeleteEither it really is Krusty posting all of this crap,or Ram gets paid to sound just like her.The syntax and vocabulary are so obvious.
DeleteIs that you Sarah??
DeleteYou do all remember Nader got GOP funds, don't you?
DeleteWho the fuck are YOU to spew that President Obama was/is insincere in his prayers?
DeleteFuck. You!
There are intelligent and compassionate Mormons. (not Mitt Romney, who is a lying bastard interested only in self-aggrandizement.)
ReplyDeleteBut the tenets of the Mormon religion are . . . unfortunate. To me, it looks as if those who buy in completely are part of a cult.
And being raised in it is like being in pudding 10 feet deep 100 yards wide. It is very hard to extract yourself as the cult immerses you in itself from day one, 365/24/7.
DeleteI've lived around Mormons for almost 20 years and they are nice individually, but collectively they scare the shit out of me. In towns where they are not a "presence", they quickly take over school boards, local businesses, and bring in more.
In our small town, one became the big business's CEO and the flood ensued. He allowed proselytizing on site and even some of the managers were fired for not becoming Mormon. Eventually it got so bad, you could not be hired unless you were already Mormon and that was when the shit hit the fan.
A lot of talented people were not hired, the business started to tank, and the CEO was canned. most of his managers left and just now the company is starting to come back.
Remember this if Romney becomes president because he will repeat Bush's mistake of putting foxes in to guard the hens (industry lobbyists in government positions that regulate their lobbying interests) only they will be Mormon foxes designed to turn our country into a Mormon theocracy.
That is very sad, 3:39. And very frightening. It is, as you describe, the proselytizing that terrifies me.
DeleteTo all: keep your religions off my porch, out of my business and out of my school (which means don't assault me with your beliefs as I'm walking across campus).
As someone who was born and raised in the Mormon religion, let me say that it IS scary. You don't realize how scary it is until you get out of it (or run away like I did). Abuse is covered up because everyone wants to look like the perfect Mormon family. Seems the more "perfect" a Mormon family seems, the darker and deeper the skeleton closet goes.
DeleteOf course Mormons seem nice. They are supposed to. We're trained (brainwashed) from toddlers on up to represent our church with our actions. We're taught if we're friendly and welcoming, we can attract more converts. But behind closed doors it's terrible. Physical, emotional, verbal and sexual abuse. Victim blaming. Guilt tripping. My older sister got screamed at by my father for two hours straight one night because she was seen walking with two boys and that "made her a slut." he didn't stop screaming even when she burst out sobbing.
That is the reality if a church that claims family comes first. What they teach is that if your family is messed up in any way or having trouble that there is sin that needs to be prayed and fasted to overcome. I was told if I didn't overcome anorexia that I would be excommunicated.
How's that for a loving, understanding religion?
A nd he's a Bishop. Can you imagine the concern if a Catholic Bishop was running? Remember the grief Obama went through overbhis church? Why is Mormonism off limits?
ReplyDelete"Bishop" is a temporary position in Mormonism. Well off High Priests in a Ward take turns as Bishop I'm not sure how long the term is. Romney is a High Priest. But so are most Mormons in good standing.
DeleteGarCola, MALE Mormons, the females are regulated to birthing machines and cooking food for the broods.
DeleteActually, while the physical demands of the bishopric authority are temporary (holding meetings/interviews, taking calls, counseling, etc), once a man becomes a bishop he is always referred to as bishop instead of brother. Even if he was bishop for only a year, he will be referred to as Bishop Smith for the rest of his life (unless he moved up to President or one of the Chorum of the Twelve or something like that)
DeleteMormonism wasn't just created as a cult. It was a scam !
ReplyDeleteLong before the church's founder Joseph Smith became a self-proclaimed prophet, a violent theocrat and a husband with 33 wives, he was a "money digger" who claimed he could find buried treasure by using his "seer stone."
He was arrested in 1826 in Chenango County, New York, jailed, and charged with a misdemeanor for claiming magical powers to find buried treasure. Joseph's defense was that he truly had the gift but had given up looking in his stone to find treasures as it hurt his eyes.
The 1834 book "Mormonism Unvailed [sic]" contains over 30 depositions from "the neighborhood of the Smith family" which describe the family as drunkards, liars and con artists. Their statements -- made under oath (no small consideration in 1834) -- make for truly eye-opening reading:
http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/1834howb.htm#state
When it comes to "uncomfortable" facts which the LDS Church has gone to great lengths to ignore, cover-up or obfuscate, these examples are barely even the tip of the iceberg.
Most people know very little about the history and/or dogma of the LDS church but they really owe it to our country to educate themselves before electing a Mormon as President.
http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no117.htm
Read The Mormon Murders if you want to get a peek into the corruption of the LDS Church.
Deletehttp://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-08-18-mormon-massacre_N.htm
Deletehttp://www.archaeology.org/online/news/mormons.html
MOUNTAIN MEADOWS!
DeleteI cannot vote for a man who embraces this lunacy ....period.
ReplyDeleteI cannot vote for a man who is embraced by magic underwear -- and showers in it! eewww! NEVER takes it off.
DeleteThe Party's Over! Bain Capital Under Investigation For Tax Evasion
ReplyDelete"Under Investigation" and "Presidential Candidacy" - just doesn't sound that good together, does it?
Since July, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has been issuing subpoenas to private equity firms including Bain, which he believes intentionally changed management fees into capital gains as a way of hanging onto millions of dollars that would have otherwise been taxed at a higher rate. Bain alone is estimated to have saved “more than $200 million in federal income taxes and more than $20 million in Medicare taxes.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/01/1126874/-TP-Bain-Capital-Under-Investigation-For-Tax-Evasion
Great Find!!!!!!
DeleteAlthough it sounded a bit bizarre when he said it, I had a feeling Harry Reid's comment was foreshadowing the other shoe falling, but I never DREAMED it would be this big!!!
This is a must read, the tab on the right with related articles pretty much backs it up.
Got Tax Returns. Mitt?
If Mitt is elected, he'll be able to call off the investigations on Bain and other private equity firms. He'll be able to shut down the investigations into Matt or Tagg or whichever kid of his was involved in the Paul Stanford $8 billion Ponzi scheme. And he'll be able to shut down the investigations on Sheldon Adelson. With Paul Ryan's brother being a former Bain & Company employee and now working for another private equity firm in Los Angeles, no telling what Tobin has been into.
DeleteWhat Clint did onstage Thursday night was, as many others have pointed out, enlightening and instructive about what the Republicans have been going through these past four years. He was addressing a version of Obama - again, as many of us have repeatedly been pointing out all this time - that doesn't really exist outside of the GOP's heads. As Jon Stewart said, it was the version of Obama that only they can see!
ReplyDeleteWhat do we know about Imaginary Obama (IO)? First of all, he hates America and wants to destroy it. He was raised in an Indonesian madrassah and wants to institute Sharia law. He's an "angry black man," a ghetto thug. He's a political mastermind of the Chicago school, fixing elections with practiced ease. He's a welfare queen who wants to loot the Treasury and give away "our" money to lazy black people. And a crony capitalist funneling money to his Solyndra fat-cat buddies. He's a Muslim, a socialist, a fascist who wants to take away our guns and close our churches! (The fact that he hasn't actually done any of this stuff so far is just proof that he's lulling us into a false sense of security.)
Now, a reasonable person not in the grips of ODS would recognize a few logical problems with this litany of evil qualities ascribed to Imaginary Obama:
(1) Most of them are mutually exclusive. He's both a lazy welfare queen, a crude ghetto thug AND a tireless, sophisticated political operative. He's a socialist AND a crony capitalist. And so on.
(2) None of them even remotely resemble the real person currently residing in the White House. A Muslim who drinks beer and brews his own? A Muslim who sponsors GLBT marriage equality? A socialist who bailed out the auto industry and Wall Street (instead of, say, nationalizing them), a socialist whose health care plan depends on preserving private health insurance? A gun foe who hasn't done anything about guns? An "angry black man" famous in the real world for never getting angry? And so on.
In short, Imaginary Obama (as opposed to the real one) has all the makings of a classic "bogeyman" figure - a fictional construct the mind creates to embody its deepest fears. None of it has to make sense, because the bogeyman is created by the lizard brain. Logic doesn't enter into it.
Imaginary Obama represents all the Republicans' deepest, darkest fears about race, class, government, and American society as it moves forward in 2012. He's the wave of angry black people who seek to destroy the 1950s-esque stereotype of America that the GOP clings to desperately. He represents their worst suspicions about what a "majority-minority" America will look like - a post-revolution Rhodesia where whites are lynched, Islam is mandated for all, and the "rabble" has taken over.
So what are we to make of Imaginary Obama, and how has Clint Eastwood offered us a way for the GOP to work through its feelings about him?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/01/1126747/-Clint-Eastwood-Gestalt-Therapist
EXCELLENT article! Do read it in full, it makes perfect sense and is deeply illuminating about the mentality of the current GOP.
Every Mormon man I've met through work, dating, etc. have proven to liars! I worked for a guy who was one - caught him in so many lies that I quit and stated exactly why upon my exit. Dated one that turned out to be married - found out because his wife contacted me from another state!
ReplyDeleteAs boys, they are taught to lie in their cult. And, then Mittens picks Ryan who is a horrible liar too! You just can't trust these idiots in cults and organized religion can you?
They are all going to rott in hell (if there is such a place!)
Everyone should take note of what you say about Mormon men. SO VERY TRUE!
DeleteRemember, the second "m" is silent.
I always thought he was an alien from a different planet...Kolob?....hahaha!
ReplyDeleteSomething I read as a pre-teen alerted me to finding out for MYSELF what is what, with life.
ReplyDeleteFirst thing I did, with my very limited knowledge and experience, was to take a hard look at other religions, than the one my parents dragged me to, kicking and screaming, twice every stinking Sunday, all my life.
When I got to Mormonism, and read its history, I literally laughed out loud. C'mon, man, NOBODY can possibly really believe this mountain of crap, can they?
The only thing I could come up with, is that it justified having more than one wife...so I suspected THAT little perk, to be why men would suspend their disbelief in such malarkey as how "God" lives on a distant planet, where male souls go, and are set up with multiple wives, for eternity.
What I had trouble understanding, was how they were able to con any WOMEN into going along with this sexual perversion. All the women I knew, were way too smart to fall for such shit.
Only now, many decades later, I'm STILL wondering how the hell women cannot see through the transparent veil, and are going along with the extreme rightwing agenda, as if they are too ignorant to notice they are walking into a nasty trap.
Sarah, I hope you are reading this as obsessively as I am pretty sure you do.
ReplyDeletePaul Ryan will lose the Vice-Presidency by somewhere between 228/212 electoral votes +/-1 compared to your 178 electoral votes.
How do you like them apples?
I'm sorry, I meant 173 electoral votes. I've been drinking (celebrating).
ReplyDeleteA funny thing (actually, several of them) happened on the way to Mitt Romney's coronation, and it wasn't the weather—”although that did cause Donald Trump's Monday night "surprise" to be cancelled, which is pretty funny in itself.
ReplyDeleteFather Rick Santorum opened Tuesday's proceedings with a sermon (he built!) on a mountain of bullshit, and then handed the teleprompter to Mitt's real wife, Ann.
She did her best to close the gender gap, even going so far as to express a special love for teh womenz, but it was probably all for nada.
Finishing out the night was keynote speaker Chris Christie, who didn't want to be Mitt's running mate, and wasn't into Ann's lovey-dovey talk so much as he was into himself.
On Wednesday, after Condi Rice had sufficiently milked the applause, it was time for vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan to step up—”and step up he did; what his speech lacked in starbursts, it more than made up for with lies.
And then came Thursday—a night which will live in infamy.
When Hollywood gunslinger Clint Eastwood made his way to the stage, he threw caution (and the script) to the wind, and things quickly took a turn for the surreal.
In the course of a 12-minute free-form homage to Samuel Beckett, Eastwood introduced himself to a new generation of armchair politicos, and gave birth to one of the greatest memes of all time.
Nothing else mattered after that.
Go to article for live links:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/02/1126461/-Sunday-Talk-Unconventional
I would have said Ionesco, but otherwise your analysis is right on.
DeleteNate Silver has had some steadily encouraging numbers for Obama: his current forecast for Nov. 6, up even from yesterday, is a 73.1% chance of winning, and a healthy 305.5 estimated Electoral Vote total. I decided to drill down a bit to the state level, and discovered a really interesting fact: using the probabilities given for winning each state (or district, in Maine and Nebraska), Obama has 193 ways to get to 270 electoral votes by winning states for which his chances are at least 50%. The number of such routes to 270 for Romney? Zero.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/01/1126847/-Electoral-Vote-Math-Obama-193-Romney-0
There is hope!!!
ReplyDelete"Private equity firms' tax strategy under scrutiny"
"Finance firms' tax strategy saves millions, but is it legal?"
The New York attorney general is investigating whether some of the nation’s biggest private equity firms have abused a tax strategy in order to slice hundreds of millions of dollars from their tax bills, according to executives with direct knowledge of the inquiry.
The attorney general, Eric T. Schneiderman, has in recent weeks subpoenaed more than a dozen firms seeking documents that would reveal whether they converted certain management fees collected from their investors into fund investments, which are taxed at a far lower rate than ordinary income.
Among the firms to receive subpoenas are Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Company, TPG Capital, Sun Capital Partners, Apollo Global Management, Silver Lake Partners and BAIN CAPITAL, which was founded by Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee for president. Representatives for the firms declined to comment on the inquiry.
The tax info/audit documents that Gawker exposed a week or two ago exposed the possibility of this in the opinions of the various experts who reviewed the documents.
Thank you Attorney General Schneiderman of New York!! For being a first termer, he sure has dug in on various issues. He took over the position of AG when former Attorney General Andrew Cuomo became Gov of NY.
Expect to hear it called a 'witch hunt'.
GO FOR IT!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48874434/ns/business-us_business/
KARMA!
DeleteI love it!
I can imagine the Obama Campaign Headquarters doing high fives.
Pass the Popcorn!
It's kind of silly to pick any one religious cult out for public airing, because not a one of them can withstand it.
ReplyDeleteThe "faithful" no longer believe in Santa Claus. They no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy. But they still believe in a magic man in the sky, or the alien on Kolob, or Xenu, or Thor. What's the difference? (There is none.)
Whenever you write about religious cults, the first thing that springs into mind is John Lennon's line from Imagine; "and no religion, too."
Can't come soon enough.
Mormonism has to have the craziest demand -- never taking off your underwear!
ReplyDeleteWhen is a journalist going to ask Mitt to show us his magic underwear, which, if he is a practicing Mormon High Priest he must be wearing. NO? If he is not wearing it, what will the Mormon voters think of him?
http://www.mormonmagicunderwear.com/
When he doesn't wear a jacket, the sleeves on the underwear can be seen. He wears it. I'm sure Ann wears her's all the time as well.
DeleteThey don't take it off when they take a shower? How would that even work? Yuck.
As I understand it, Mormons can remove the magic underwear for the three S's: sex, showers and swimming. Saw it on teevee recently after the pix of Ann and Mitt on the jet ski. FWIW.
DeletePfft. If a reporter does ask him he'll claim religious intolerance. He won't even have to explain why he wears it because Mormons are taught not to cast pearls before swine. Yes, those are the exact words they use when teaching little children. You don't show the "garments" because they are sacred and non converted scum should not be allowed to look upon them.
DeleteNo joke. He'll ride that one all the way. He'll ask why Obama doesn't strip down too. Mormons are raised believing everyone is out to get them-- the victim mentality runs pretty deep in some. Frankly, I know Mitt will lose. He's going to lose by a landslide. People are all about ignoring that he's Mormon-- well you can't ignore it forever. If people get to make waves by spouting hate speech about Muslims (I frankly don't give acratsvass if the Prez is one or not), then why should the nation not be made awarevof this very harmful cult of Mormonism??
Another good read is A Study in Scarlett, the first of the Sherlock Holmes stories. The backstory is set in Mormon oppression of women and contempt for outsiders. Fiction, of course, but very enlightening. And why you'll never see a movie or tv episode based on it.
ReplyDeletePeter O'Toole was the voice in a cartoon version in the '80s.
DeleteIn the '30s, Reginald Owen played SH in a movie which also featured Anna May Wong and that most delightful of character actors, Alan Mowbray, as Lestrade.
BBC new doc on Mormonism is a must see, this cult is dangerous.
ReplyDeleteAndrew Sullivan's Daily Dish has a link ( http://lareviewofbooks.org/article.php?type=&id=878&fulltext=1&media= )to an interesting article on Mitt and Mormonism's conflict with history.
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