Sunday, September 30, 2012

Minnesota Vikings punter Chris Kluwe lays the smack down on yet ANOTHER homophobic asshole.

So this attorney from Minnesota, Riley Balling, took it upon himself to write an article for the Star Tribune which stated the following: Many times it is stated:

"What I choose to do in my marriage doesn't affect your marriage." However, same-sex marriage affects all of our marriages.

Then Mr. Balling went on to demonstrate his ignorance by making a number of false equivalencies and false statements to support his point of view.

This did not sit well with Kluwe. who responded thusly:


Dear Mr. Balling,

I read your opinion piece in today’s Star Tribune, and I would like to take a brief moment of time to offer you some assistance in your future writing endeavors. I can only assume that you’ve never been trained in classical logic, debate techniques, or basic empathy, so I will humbly offer my own meager knowledge in these fields as it relates to your literary masterpiece “Why same-sex marriage affects my marriage”. 

You start off strong, with an opening salvo ostensibly promoting the rights of other groups to have their own views (if we ignore the fear-mongering tag line “The goal is to move society — in this case, away from a safe environment for children), but then, much like a Michael Bay plot, your argument starts careening off the rails. Your first mistake is what we would consider “mind projection fallacy” – where one considers the way he sees the world as the way the world really is. 

When you state that “As we have seen, and understandably so, people in homosexual relationships are trying to change society to more readily embrace and promote their view of their identity. This is possible largely due to the disassociation between sexual relationships and procreation.”, what you’re really saying is “Those gay people do sex things that I find icky, and we should oppress them because they can’t have babies.” You completely ignore the fact that “people in homosexual relationships are trying to change society” not just because they want to have teh buttsecks (or rise and grind for the ladies), but also to avoid, oh I don’t know, things like being tortured and tied to a fencepost until you die (Matthew Shepard), shot to death while attending school (Lawrence King), shot to death for being transgender (Moses King), committing suicide by hanging due to repeated bullying and taunting (Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover), shot to death and burned while standing military guard (Seaman August Provost), stabbed to death after serving in the Vietnam War (James Zappalorti) – every single one of these attacks because of the victim’s sexuality. Let’s not even get into the over 1100 federal benefits gay couples are legally unable to obtain in this state because they can’t get married – things like health care, survivor benefits, legacies to pass on to their families (including children); things like tolerance, acceptance, and compassion. 

Deep breath. 

Moving on, we come to the next little pearl of wisdom hidden in your manifesto, that hoary old chestnut of “traditional marriage”. In this case, you’ve made the logical error of the “etymological fallacy” – that the original or historical meaning of a word or phrase is necessarily similar to its actual current meaning. 

Which version of “traditional marriage” would you like to use Mr. Balling? Should we go back to ancient Israel and practice polygamy, with a woman’s only right that to own her own tent? Or should we use the ancient Greek definition of marriage, one more concerned with inheritance than love or procreation, one that would force a woman to divorce her current husband and marry a sibling if that was required to continue the family? Should we force a brother to marry his dead sibling’s wife? Or perhaps we should make arranged marriages with child brides, that’s certainly traditional enough. Wait, I know, let’s go with the one where you have to pay three goats and a cow in order to ensure the woman is yours to keep forever, and you can stone her to death if she cheats on you. That one sounds terrific! 

You see, Mr. Balling, since you don’t actually provide a definition of what “traditional marriage” is, I think your definition of “traditional marriage” boils down to “I want to make other people who believe differently than I do miserable by taking away their free will so I’ll cloak my hate in the guise of ‘tradition’ and ‘history’ without knowing what those words really mean”, and, well, I’m not really ok with that. Also, “traditional marriage” has traditionally been rather tough on 50% of the human population, what with the whole enslavement and forced child bearing and stoning to death thing (I’m talking about women if you haven’t figured it out (sorry to the people who figured it out like 5 minutes ago but I wanted to make sure he got it)), and I’m not really ok with that either. 

Deep breath.  

Your third logical fallacy, and oh boy does this one crop up all the time, is that of cum hoc ergo propter hoc. Now I’m guessing you may not be up to date on your Latin (or maybe you are, in which case well done!), so if you need help, I’d like to ask the entire class to say it along with me. 

CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION. 

You can’t make the statement that “Bless the single parents who try, but there is a direct correlation between single homes and crimes of all types. If anything, the effects of broken homes indicate the importance of reestablishing the ideal of traditional marriage” and not expect any moderately intelligent person not to jump all over it. Single homes don’t *cause* crime. That’s like saying “I rode my bicycle to work today, and it rained, therefore my bicycle causes rain”. There are a multitude of factors related to crime including income, residence location, public resources available, education, education available, age demographics, police presence, temperature patterns, etcetera ad nauseum ad infinitum (that one means I could go on for a while (also, way to take a giant steaming literary dump on every single parent, infertile couple, and those who choose not to have kids; you’re making all sorts of friends today)). To single out single parents is, to put it bluntly, absolutely absurd. 

And then, to make it even better, you somehow link an unsafe environment for children (somehow caused through single parents?) to same sex marriage by claiming it “reinforces changes to the marital definition”. Hooboy. Tell me, were you worried about the children when all those colored folks started marrying the white people? Because that sure was a change to the “marital definition”, and funnily enough there were a bunch of people using the same argument back then. Or how about when women started working? Are the kids unsafe now because mom wanted to actually do something with her life instead of putting on a plastic smile and tending the kitchen all day? (no offense to any stay at home mom or dads who choose to do so, I know that’s a full time job in itself and you have my respect) What happened when the “marital definition” changed to allow divorce and remarrying? Should we pass some more constitutional amendments preventing those? C’mon, don’t just stop with the gays, let’s go oppress a bunch of other people too! 

AND THEN, to make it even more betterer (grammars!), you return to the mind projection fallacy by claiming that “Currently, as a society, we have wavered from this traditional motivation, and many, not all, view marriage as a venue for self-fulfillment”. It’s so nice of you, Mr. Balling, to define mine, and countless other marriages as “venues for self-fulfillment”. Odd though, I don’t remember you ever hanging out with my family and I, or with our neighbors, or providing any sort of factual information to back up your claim (and if you say I need to provide evidence to disprove it, that’s called onus probandi, in case you were interested). In fact, the only evidence that I’ve been able to glean from your entire ill-constructed argument, is that you don’t know how to construct an argument. You know, with facts and stuff. (Your argument is called an “appeal to emotion”, more specifically, an “appeal to fear”, if you wanted that for future reference) 

Deep breath.

Frankly, sir, your blatant attempt to sway people by using the “OH MAH GAWD THINK OF THE CHILDREN” argument is tiresome, bothersome, and insulting to anyone who cares to take the slightest interest in pulling aside your curtain of self satisfied drivel to expose the ugliness underneath. Furthermore, you never made any sort of logical attempt to explain how same-sex marriage affects your marriage in any concrete way, instead offering up vague generalizations with no proof. When it comes to “the children”, I can assure you that I *am* thinking of my children, and not just my children, but all the children they will come in contact with, and all the adults they will someday be; and it is my sincerest wish as a parent that I can raise them to be tolerant, to respect the free will of others, and above all, to see beneath the smug bigotry and oppression of those who would enslave the world to satisfy their own ugly lust for control. If you have any children, it is my hope that they enjoy a peaceful life, one free of tyranny. 

Aaaaaaaaand fin. 

Okay that is yet another idiot publicly spanked for being a homophobic douchenozzle by a man who makes a living playing one of the most testosterone driven games on the planet.

Anybody else feel like challenging Mr. Kluwe about the potential damage same sex marriages do to "traditional" marriages?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

31 comments:

  1. Leland4:35 AM

    Brilliant! It's even better than the last one. HIs grasp of the English language, both in grammar and vocabulary, is extant. Then there is his logic, backed by facts.

    And he slams this idiot so nicely, too. Instead of telling him to "Go f**k a flying donut", he tells him to "Go have aeronautical intercourse with a flying piece of aerated pastry"! I love it!

    I am curious. Any idea what this man studied in college?

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    1. Anonymous4:57 AM

      Poli Sci at UCLA, but I'm betting he minored in philosophy or at least took quite a few more classes in it than required.

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    2. Sally in MI6:08 AM

      I do hope he runs for Congress when his playing days end. He is one really intelligent man!

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    3. Leland7:53 AM

      If the rest of his thinking is like this and the previous example, I would vote for him in a heartbeat!

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    4. Anonymous8:27 AM

      Clearly, he contradicts the stereotype of the dumb jock!

      Nicely done, Mr. Kluwe!

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    5. lostinmn12:16 PM

      And he can punt a football under pressure! That's our Kluwe. Don't mess with MN nice.

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  2. Anonymous4:39 AM

    Take ten pairs of people at random and guess which ones are married. One cannot be absolutely correct. Now, how the hell does gay marriage lessen so called traditional marriage again? How will you know which ones are married? Next people will outlaw two people of the same sex from being together in public, because they could be gay and legally married. The traditional marriage folks lost the argument a long time ago because it. All comes down to how can you tell married and unmarried couple apart, you can't!

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  3. Anonymous5:12 AM

    Chris was on the Chicago NPR show "Wait, Wait, Don't tell Me" yesterday. Very, very, cool guy, and not arrogant at all; told a cute Devin Hester joke. . Methinks the Bears are going to lose a fan this season - sorry guys.

    Here's the link to the station site for the podcast.
    http://www.npr.org/programs/wait-wait-dont-tell-me/

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    1. Anonymous11:49 AM

      Loved it! He's also a base player in a band called Tripping Icarus.

      http://www.facebook.com/trippingicarus

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  4. Well, that tears it. I'm ordering myself and Menschie Kluwe jerseys- TO-day.

    I love that guy. He should get a Nobel prize or something. Laureate of Ass Kicking Prosaic Wonder.

    He could just play his game, make his millions, and retire in comfort. But instead he really IS doing what he says he wants to do- trying to make the world and the children he helped bring into it more tolerant, loving, and compassionate.

    I might even start watching football, just to support his team. I LOVE this guy. I can absolutely see him running for office one day after his NFL career ends.

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  5. Anonymous5:48 AM

    I love, love, love this man. Chris Kluwe, you are my hero. What a guy!

    Because of Chris, I promise to never, ever call them the Viqueens again, (as long as he's playing for them) And I NEVER break a promise.

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    1. Anonymous7:32 AM

      ViQueens could kick any man's ass today. Those ladies wed to ViKings were tougher than nails.

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  6. Olivia5:51 AM

    It is a beautiful thing! What a wonderfully articulate and intelligent reply.
    I really wish it would have been in the StarTribune instead of a blog of the PioneerPress. Unfortunately, it won't be read by most of the people who saw Balling's ridiculous blathering.

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  7. I am so sick to death of the "studies show that children in single family homes have more problems than those in two-parent homes" stupid-ass argument.

    Perhaps those children in single parent homes that have problems are having problems due to the prior damage caused by living in a dysfunctional two-parent home? Problems that led to the formation of the single parent family?

    And those children can now act out the frustrations and fears that they had to live with before? And maybe the custodial parent no longer has to pretend to the world that the white picket fence pose presented to the world is true, and can now seek the counseling and hope that could not have happened in the happy happy happy two parent home?

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    1. Anonymous8:33 AM

      And perhaps many of those single parent families are found in communities struggling with poverty, crime and drug abuse? Could THAT be more of a reason for the problems those kids have? Maybe?????

      Sheesh, some of these conservatives are idiots!!!

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    2. Anonymous12:20 PM

      Here here 6:13! As a child from a single-parent home my life improved immensely when the abusive other parent left. Not to say that that solved all the problems, but it gave the rest of us a chance to start healing. I just cannot imagine what would have happened if he hadn't left. I've never even considered that until this moment and now my heart bleeds all over again for those not so lucky. We need safety nets!

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    3. An European Viewpoint10:16 PM

      Let's remember that the abusive other parent, more likely than not, grew up in a two-parent home.

      I see single-parent homes as a result of two-parent homes of the previous generation, that were *not happy*, and never dared to do something about it.

      And as a chance for children of abusive parents not to become abusive themselves - provided the custodial parent is not the abusive one.

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  8. Anonymous6:42 AM

    The only thing he's missing here, and it would certianly bolster his position, is when he speaks of his own children; he needs to make sure he's aware that one of them might be gay. He writes as if he assumes they won't be. That's unfortunately myopic. Other than that, kudos, sir.

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    1. Anonymous7:33 AM

      No he isn't. Reread it.

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    2. Anonymous10:05 AM

      "No he isn't" what? I didn't say he "is" anything. I think you mean "no he doesn't", but I could be mistaken.

      Just making an observation. YOU re-read it. He expressly says he wishes his children to grow up "tolerant". The implication there is that he wants them to be tolerant of gay kids and people. When one is gay, being intolerant of peoples' lifestyles is not something one is accused of being, so no need to say that he wishes his gay children would grow up "tolerant". It is generally straight people who are intolerant, and I believe that is his point.

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    3. Maybe he means 'tolerant' in a broader sense - to accept people as they are, whatever or wherever they are. Not everything is about gender identity.

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  9. Anonymous6:44 AM

    Wow. Kluwe's no dummy.

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  10. Anonymous6:49 AM

    I challenge everyone that is on facebook to link to Chris's page, thus spreading his brilliant messages of equality.

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  11. I heard him on Wait wait don't tell me. He was hilarious and super smart. Too bad he plays for the Vikings!

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  12. Anonymous7:28 AM

    just amazing...glad he is on our side...

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  13. Anonymous9:53 AM

    WOW....fanning myself. I am beyond attracted to this guy. How I love a smart, literate, funny man that can state a position so ass kickingly well. I think I'm in love :)

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  14. Anonymous9:55 AM

    My retort to people that claim being gay is a choice:
    "Oh, when did you make the decision to be straight?"

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  15. Leland10:37 AM

    Would you mind if I stole that? It's PRICELESS!!!!!!!

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  16. Anita Winecooler7:59 PM

    What an amazing smackdown of an idiot lawyer who wrote "there is a direct correlation between single homes and crimes of all types".

    Mr Kluwe is one brilliant man, he definatly has a bright future beyond sports. What I would like to see, but I doubt it'll happen, is Mr. Balling's response to this factual editorial. Balling paints with a very wide bigoted and ignorant brush.

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    1. An European Viewpoint10:27 PM

      There is a direct causation between single homes and poverty.

      There is a direct causation between abject poverty and crime of all types.

      Help the single homes not to fall into abject poverty - and you get no more correlation between single homes and crimes.

      How come there is much less crime per capita in European countries than in America ? We don't let our financially struggling parents down. In France, the more you earn, the higher your tax rate - and the threshold for paying income tax is much higher for single-parent homes. Is it the same in America ?

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    2. Anita Winecooler7:34 PM

      Maybe I should have clarified what I meant. Most lawyers are sticklers for detail, a single home is a dwelling that houses one family unit as opposed to an apartment building, condominium building, dormitory or rooming house, which are considered "multi family" dwellings.
      Single families, traditional families, rich and poor can live in single homes, apartment or condominium zoned areas.

      And I don't agree that there's a direct correlation between higher crime, single family homes nor abject poverty. There's no direct causal correlation at all.

      My parents immigrated from Italy, neither of them were middle class nor rich. They came from abject poverty and never stole, lied, cheated or defrauded anyone. They worked hard and lived within their means until they worked their way to the middle class. Just like hundreds of thousands who immigrated from all over the world.
      I don't know about France, but in Italy they don't pay property taxes based on market value of your home(s) like we do here. Their system is different from ours, the crime rate there is about the same as here, and the people have a similar style of life as America. My relatives are up in arms over the "austerity" stuff, but they all get free health care, medicines, and elder care even though their salaries are a bit lower.

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