So apparently somebody LITERALLY bribed a bus driver to keep delegates opposed to the rules change from being inside the convention hall when the vote was taken. For those wondering how far the Republican establishment will go to retain power, I think you have your answer.
And the fact that the outcome of the "vote" was already pre-written onto the teleprompter is incredible.
Look I COMPLETELY understand the GOP's desire to get their party back out of the hands of these Teabagger idiots, but I think that by doing it THIS way they may have caused a far bigger problem than they temporarily solved.
And as a Democrat, I find that pretty awesome.
Personally I will be surprised if the Republican party survives in its current form for the next twenty years.
Its called cannibalism. The baggers were used, the evangelicals are always used; but they will keep coming back for more until they are all extinct.
ReplyDeleteWe can only hope they will become extinct.
DeleteSorry Gryphen, I have to disagree this time.
ReplyDelete"And as a Democrat, I find that pretty awesome."
As an American, I find it sad. I don't find it too awesome right now at all. I would have at one time, but I think we've all become blinded to each other as a country and are now opponents in some horrifying game of "us" vs "them. This country can't continue in this way, even if the republican party self destructs, we will still be so divided that I fear we might not ever feel like one country again.
It's never been the Leave it to Beaver nation romney likes to think it was (and return us to). Not for many Americans. And now we have as hateful a rift between us as we have had since possibly the civil war time.
I could go on, but I just want to say that I'm too tired and too old to find any satisfaction anymore in any win of the battle among the parties, among US. I would get satisfaction if it were about cleaning out ALL corruption in our politics, either party. But I wish we wouldn't play the "one point for our side!" games anymore.
Well said. I agree.
DeleteI've quit posting here for a while. The place seems to have become judgmental, intolerant, and disrespectful, often gratuitously so. I may like the substance on positions, but take no joy is being gratuitously offensive.
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DeleteI have a problem with that also. But I have also been a bit too snarky at times so I am not blameless. I call them my chardonnay moments. I regret them afterwards. There are a lot of smart folks here. I keep coming back.
Well said anon@2:17
DeleteAlso why didn't of "MSM" report this? The Ron Paul people if they had the delegates should of been allowed to vote.
The GOP ripped them off.
As a Dem I find this highly alarming.
While I occasionally (during my snarkier moments) find satisfaction in the downfall of the mess that is the current GOP, I mostly hope that the internal fighting within the party will eventually result in a stronger, more moderate Republican party.
DeleteAlthough I could not imagine myself EVER supporting anyone from today's GOP, I also recognize that our government works best when there is some distribution of power among opposing groups. The Tea Party and the rabid conservatives have caused so much damage to their party and to the entire country, that they truly need to be purged so the GOP can come back to reality and represent the general public, not the rich and/or crazy less-than-1%.
The wealthy GOP crooks and cheaters are cleaning house apparently. Guess that's what the teabaggers get for going to bed with them.
ReplyDeleteRNC Bus Driver “Gets Lost” Forcing VA Delegates to Miss Crucial Rules Change Vote
"According to delegate Matt Dubin, an attorney and conservative activist, those supporting the changes ”disenfranchised grassroots conservatives everywhere – Liberty Republicans, Tea Party Republicans, supporters of Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich and Cain – anyone who is not already part of the power elite.”
http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/08/29/rnc-bus-driver-gets-lost-forcing-va-delegates-to-miss-crucial-rules-change-vote/
I have zero sympathy for any of these groups. Teabaggers, randians, fruitloop followers, and others who claimed to be "independent" and "unaffiliated" with any party, but who flocked to the republican message of hate, power, feudalism, and disenfranchisement because they felt more comfortable there.
ReplyDeleteThe evidence was there all along that for the Kochs and Romneys running the show, these people were suckers to be used. They were expendable.
That's what Romney's America is. If your vote will not be useful than you will not be voting, or your vote won't count. Either way works. These groups have been very supportive of the voter suppression laws. They were stupid enough to believe that those laws were truly meant to prevent fraudulent voting? They never thought those laws would affect people *like them*?
Well, boo-hoo. Those laws are intended to produce a specific outcome, not an honest election. Nope, I don't feel sorry for those convention attendees who were supposedly tricked out of their vote at all. They have done their best to ensure that the same thing happens to people all over the country in actual real elections.
Nefer, unfortunately the fruitloop followers (all of the above) are a real problem. There are millions of them. They are so easily manipulated by propagandists.
DeleteOops, "all of the above" wasn't a reference to previous commenters... just teabaggers and randians.
DeleteWhat concerns me is that if they can do this sort of thing to their 'own', what won't they do to the Democrats from state to state?
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Just_a_Mote3:33 PM
DeleteNefer, unfortunately the fruitloop followers (all of the above) are a real problem. There are millions of them. They are so easily manipulated by propagandists.
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Just a Mote, I agree with you 100%. These people define the concept of voting against your own interests. I'm sure they will figure out a way that Democrats are to blame for how the RNC conducts their internal policies, and then they will trot to the polls in November and vote for the same people that wouldn't let them vote at their own convention.
totally O/T, but here's a mental snapshot from the c4pee. It's easy to see why the "truth" will never be explained to them.
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jerseymark Today 07:48 AM in reply to BrianusBerkleianus
Thanks Brianus. Last night there was a discussion about what "IT" is and that "IT" is so present with Sarah and I would like to repeat what I posted as a definition of what "IT" is as I believe it explains so much about Sarah:
The "IT" is her supreme confidence in who she is and in her relationship with God. As the Lord made clear to me this morning, while it is true that we are to have a "servant's heart" and most believers look upon themselves and their relationship to God as His servants, the higher revelation of relationship is that of Sons and Daughters. I know you all will agree, a mental assent, but most are stuck on "servant", I wrote "revelation of relationship" because it requires much more than mental assent. You cannot grasp the full magnitude of what it means to be a Son or Daughter of God until you explore in depth what Jesus meant referring to God as Father in The Lord's Prayer, and telling us to pray to the Father in His name. Consider this - the phrase "Abba Father" is translatable as "Daddy" as to its level of informal intimacy.This is what the "IT" is with Sarah. She knows God as Daddy.
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Um, yeah. *that's* what it is.
I'm not even *touching* the Daddy/Daughter concept.
If that is the case, why did her "Daddy" put so much venom in her heart? If she has so much faith in the Lord, he slammed the doors to power on her, why did she not take the hint and go home?
DeleteMaggie, I usually bleep over jerseymark's screeds (yes, I am addicted to the crazy over there). That is some truly creepy shit.
DeleteMaggie3:21 PM
DeleteSarah is WAY TOO EVIL to have God in her heart. If she truly had God, she would not have venom in her heart.
She is truly an evil person.
What that scripted on the teleprompter or was it a close-captioned text generated for the hearing-impaired as the speech went on?
ReplyDeleteI'd believe anything of Republicans, but I do recall the time President Obama made a speech in AZ and it was accompanied by close-captioning for the hearing-impaired. Some Republican idiot (Jim Hoft?) claimed that the "applause" text in the captioning was intended to order the crowd to applaud - rather than simply indicating that the crowd had applauded at that moment.
I'm sorry what?
DeleteThat was not something put one the bottom of a television screen for those watching it as it happened, that was on Boehner's teleprompter.
In other words they already knew how the vote was going to go (Which in fact is NOT how it sounded it went) before the vote was cast.
Please don't play stupid in order to confuse the issue. It will not work here.
Wow, Gryphen, that was harsh. They do have devices like teleprompters that are pointed to the crowd for the hearing impaired. The only caveat I would make is that the dialogue is often misspelled when closed captioning.
DeleteAs someone who works with deaf people and is very familiar with real-time captioning, I can say without question that this was a video of a script being read from the teleprompter.
DeleteThe wording was not what you would see in captioning, which would include crowd reaction - ex:'applause' or 'cheering' - but NOT the highlighted instructions about 'scenario 1'. In addition, the captioning would be seen as a single line of words across the bottom or top of the screen, likely over shots of the crowd or Boehner, NOT a black screen with multiple, rolling text lines.
Definitely a teleprompter script.
Gryphen: That was not something put one the bottom of a television screen for those watching it as it happened, that was on Boehner's teleprompter.
DeleteIn large arenas and convention venues, they do post the text on a video screen in the venue for attendees. It's not just posted on TV for remote viewers.
But that's OK. I just wanted to throw the idea out there. Idiot Jim Hoft was fooled in AZ. Didn't want us to do the same.
Thanks for a good discussion
--The original Anonymous poster.
I work as a Teleprompter Operator and that was a teleprompter...
DeleteThink that this is what is going to cause the GOP to splinter into at least 2 groups, if not 3, by the time the 2014 elections occur.
ReplyDeleteThose "in" have made it clear that those "out", well their opinions and votes don't count.
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Well, well, well! So the elephant finally screwed himself! It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Excuse me. I need more popcorn.
ReplyDeleteHow bad could the future of the GOP be when a respected conservative columnist, David Brooks, writes this profile about the current leader of the party?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/opinion/brooks-the-real-romney.html
Very bad.
That was great! Thanks, Beldar!
DeleteI wonder if Boener's allowing our credit rating to be lowered with his "So be it" comment was scripted as well?
ReplyDeleteIt's their party, my father used to say "The Republicans ALWAYS eat their own", and he was a Republican up to Richard Nixon.
I think its awesome too, G. I just read the tip the poster who thinks otherwise.
ReplyDeletegop need to die a quick death, not one of a thousand cuts.
Its "us" (who helps all) and "them" (who helps few or none and use "us.") I'm glad we can distinguish between the two. I want nothing to do with hypocrisy.
gop has played with our lives long ENOUGH. How can anyone listen to these lying gop assholes and think, "Oh, I'm going to vote back in the people who put us in this mess in the first place." Boggles the mind.
Look at the fools who follow them. 99.999 white, racist, ignorant, raging fools.
They are ripping our Constitution to shreads, ruin our economy and continue to do so by their obstruction and their hatred of President Obama.
Crazy, demented, racist, narrow-minded, inclusive white...
If one is too old to care any more, get ya old ass out of the way. Gawd.
I've always felt the new Repub1%can't party was as close to a Fascist party as this county has seen. It's also why they seem to use the word Socialist for Obama and the Democrats. Or Communist. Or any word *but* Fascist. Because if they did use the word, some people might start to think and instead of coming up with Democrats, notice it's the Repub1%can'ts that more closely resemble the finger they are pointing.
ReplyDeleteThey did this in Michigan to bully the state into tea bagger repuke views.
ReplyDeleteI've listened to the clip three times. They didn't say anything about the bus driver being bribed.
ReplyDeleteSarah and her Daddy-God relationship...hmm...Like the touchy feely relationship with her own Daddy?
ReplyDeleteWith such VENOM, and HATRED in her heart, the ONLY God Sarah has is the devil.
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