And, according to virtually every pundit who has been on cable lately, THIS one could be the most important we have seen....EVER!
I hope you are at least as excited about tonight's showdown as this guy.
So get out your favorite beverage, pop a little popcorn, and let's get this party started!
Update: How is the debate going? Here is a new Twitter account.
:D twitter.com/LaughinJoeBide…Does that give you some idea?
— Laughing Joe Biden (@LaughinJoeBiden) October 12, 2012
Update 2: Biden knocked this out of the park!
My new idea for Obama's next debate is to have him locked in a room with Joe Biden and Bill Clinton for three days. After he emerges he will be eating lightning and crapping thunder.
Romney will end up leaving the debate in a virtual body bag.
Update 3 Hypocrisy alert!
Right now the Right Wing have their panties in a wad over the fact that they believe the Vice President was rude to little boy Ryan. There is absolutely NO comparison between how Romney bullied the moderator during the presidential debate and how Biden called Ryan out on his lies with a smile on his face, yet they cheered for Romney and now jeer Biden.
Typical.
I hope Joe makes Ryan cry.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Scarah will be watching...keep an eye out for drunk tweets!
Hated the mod where do they find these people?
DeleteShe could not keep her yap shut on trying to school Joe on this and that...and let Eddie munster babble on!
Lyin ryin! omg the honesty part...
Joe did a great job, yes he did and he went there for the 47%!
Also he EMPHASIZED about Libya we will get them...I still think that movie will trace back to rMoney campaign, pam gellar all of them any of them, could be the oct surprise. Or rMoney's taxes? Or lack of paying them.
I liked Martha. Her being a reporter instead of a talking head, she's more prepared to have a come back question. She's so involved with foreign affairs etc she went for it right from the top.
DeleteMartha Raddatz is one of the smartest, most experienced journalists. No BS from her, and she controlled the candidates as well as she could. Asked detailed questions and knew her facts cold.
DeleteStupid old hag who probably supports Baldy yells communist at VP debate outside but can't say exactly what that means?
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2E87gciwebw
WTF is up with that Jack LaLanne/Goober pic of Lyin'? Is that real? Was that his headshot for whatever the hell that reality show was with Toad??
ReplyDeleteReminded me of Sarah's "runner's world" photo. Ryan's tryin to get the female vote.
DeleteMost mature females would rather have dinner with a smiling, funny, self-confident, sweet Joe Biden than with a stringy, serious junior varsity player who worships Ayn Rand, and would talk about himself 97% of the time.
Delete"But enough about you. Let's talk about me some more."
Sarah was on Bill O'Reilly. Nothing significant, and only what can be expected from any interview with Bill, who doesn't let anyone make a point.
ReplyDeleteBut, the Queen look all polished with a nice appropriate red dress; such a contrast to her look in LA. Is she trying again to look presidential considering her answer to some gossip site reporting that she didn't know what the future would bring, Que sera, Que sera...........Nooooooooo!!!!!!!
Sarah is doing her lapdance politics again.
DeleteSchizophrenic. Manic-Depressive. Crazy under stress.
DeleteShe's so freaking dumb. She tells Bill O that Going Rogue contains so many "hilarious antidotes". Beyond stupid.
DeleteInteresting video. O'Reilly knows why she wanted to call Biden "Joe"...but he pretends it was her strategy. She keeps a poker face throughout...but I know she must have been shitting in her pants.
I suspect that in her deluded mind she thinks if the GOP buys this election, Romney will offer her, the spokesman of the party, doncha know, some big Cabinet position. As if he knows she exists anyway. Pride goeth before a fall...haven't we seen enough pride fromthis woman yet?
DeleteOh lord as expected ryan is lying his ass off.
ReplyDeleteGet em Joe!
Love how Joe is laughing in Ryan's face!
ReplyDeleteI wish you would tell the tr.... I wish you would be more candid.
ReplyDeleteShit, gotta have a double drink, Biden said "Palin"!LMAO
ReplyDeleteLooks to me like Biden's beating the crap out of that smirk-face Ryan. :) Gratifying to watch.
ReplyDeleteHATE Lyin Ryan's smirk.... RMoney's too.
DeleteRyan is getting a public spanking.
ReplyDeleteMore popcorn!
"By the way, can you send me millions of dollars ... the reason we need stimulus is it would CREATE MORE JOBS!" Oh SNAP!!!!!
DeleteAnd the GOP likes their spankings, don't they? (at least when they pay hookers to do them.)
DeleteOh gods I wish I could see this!
ReplyDeleteIs it available on mobile?
Yes, it's streaming on youtube, cspan, and huffpo.
DeleteI LOVE how Biden keeps looking at the camera and addressing the people directly.
ReplyDeleteFelt sooooo good when he did that
DeleteI think Biden is playing this perfectly!
ReplyDeleteI can't watch. I'm haunting the live blogs. Looks like this is going much better for Biden than it did for the Pres.
ReplyDeleteMe too... I just get too nervous.. so I am on Facebook reading comments by friends.. this way I can download my embroidery designs, stay informed and not get stressed if it does not go well.. so far, so good.. I'm getting a lot done and Joe seems to be doing well..
DeleteThe suspense was too much for me too. I'm such a wuss, plus as soon as I'd hear Ryan start talking I'd have to mute what I did catch. I'm sorry, but my BS meter's just been too overloaded lately to hear what Ryan or Romney has to say.
DeleteM
Lyin Ryan and RMoney seem to have the same "smirk" coach.
ReplyDeleteYeah, they both have the shit-eatin' smirk down pat.
DeleteExactly
DeleteCold. Mechanical. Mirthless. Robotic. Vapid. Vacant.
Totally turns me off, that smirk. Makes me want to smack em.
DeleteRyan comes across like a juvenile, uninformed sensationalist...kind of like someone else we all know.
ReplyDeleteI think the moderator should reign this in now and talk about the war woman.
ReplyDeleteNo one will talk about it. And did you read Kathleen Parker? She insists it doean't exist..that the statements of 'a few' loos cannons have been blown out of proportion. I wrote her and asked what universe she resides in.
DeleteMan I love me some Joe Biden!
ReplyDeleteWatching this debate makes me understand a lot better how hard it had to be for Joe to debate Sarah the way he did. My respect has grown leaps and bounds for him!
Anonymous6:15 PM
DeleteMan I love me some Joe Biden!
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JOE JOE JOE JOE!!!!
BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN!!!!
THANK YOU MR. BIDEN for upholding MY right to control my own body, regardless of your own personal belief.
ReplyDeleteVP Bidens new nickname is
ReplyDeleteKO JOE !
he knocked Lyin' out in the first round!
Little Rabbit
The cretins at the Sea have their soiled panties in a twist because they "think" the moderator and Joltin' Joe aren't letting the "adult in the room" yap away. But it was OK for the Romney to interrupt Lehrer and Obama! And they keep whining that it's not Sarah up on the stage, "putting Joe in his place." Meanwhile, Lyin' looks like Eddie Munster caught in the headlights...so far so good for the Biden via the polls, but I wonder how the Con Jobs are going to spin this win tomorrow--bet they call it a draw to save face...
ReplyDeleteSarah 'put Joe in his place?' Really? When? In her wet dreams?
DeleteAnd I thought they wan ted her for POTUS..were they going to assassinate Romney had they bought the election, so Sarah could have her 'rightful' place? I think theonly people on the planet not 'entitled' than Sarah are the Romneys. Scary..the whole freakin' party.
Yup. Sarah put Joe in his place--his place being the Navel Observatory, home of the Vice President of the United States.
DeleteMenschie and I have some friends over and we were playing a drinking game- a sip for every time Ryan lies and a shot for every time Biden laughs.
ReplyDeleteBut we had to abandon ship about 20 minutes in, because we are old and would DIE from alcohol poisoning if we'd played the whole game out.
I was just as disgusted with Ryan tonight as I was with Palin four years ago. Palin and her memorized script of "well, Gwen, I am not going to answer THAT. But what I WILL do is tell the American people these five lines of dialog I memorized" were remarkably like Ryan's complete refusal to answer the damn QUESTION...when he was asked if the US should apologize for soldiers urinating on taliban corpses and burning Qurans, he completely ignored it and continued on with his earlier tangent.
And oh, my hell! This little assmunch did NOT JUST TRY AND out car accident Joe freaking Biden??? I swear, I SWEAR- a democratic operative must have coached him to tell that "story" about rombot.
Ryan spent more time pushing Romney than anything. He rarely answered a question. When asked what HE would bring to the VP, he went off on a long tangent about Obama bad and Romney good. Repeated the same crap over and over. What a moron. Joe was fabulous!!
DeleteNyah, we tried the same drinking game here, you must have great friends because we had to quit ten minutes in. The look on Biden's face, alone, was priceless when Ryan told a lie.
DeleteAnd you're right! "I swear, I SWEAR- a democratic operative must have coached him to tell that "story" about rombot."
He couldn't use the navy seal story, so he made up this one. What a great man Rmoney is! Not only did he provide them christmas gifts, he paid for their college educations!
Bullcrap! And everyone who heard it, knows it.
Ryan got played like a fiddle! Biden was FIERCE and Ryan kept sipping water.
O/T Did you see this? http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/palin-associated-press-are-absolute-jerks-138174.html?hp=l7
ReplyDeleteBiden told Martha that Paul Ryan was full of malarkey and laughed at him. Biden did well.
ReplyDeleteJoe was Perfect, much better than I expected! I LOVED the Sarah Palin dig!
ReplyDeleteTHIS is how a debate should be moderated. Thank You Joe!, Thank You Martha! I teared up when Ryan related the story of seeing the sonogram of his first child, said it looked like a "little bean". And thanks for taking the bait and running with it regarding your staunch pro life stance!
The only quibble I have with Martha is the question she posed about their Religion and how it would affect them as VP. Why didn't Romney get asked that question? I'm glad Joe punted to Abortion and the Social issue of how we treat those less fortunate.
For a young, fit guy, that Ryan fella sure seemed "parched", kept sipping water and Joe was the energizer bunny!
That was the fastest 90 minute debate I've watched in years!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Gryphen about locking Obama in a room with Clinton and Biden!!
Expect the right to complain about Joe smiling, laughing. I say it's his acknowledgement of "Got this one!!" He's lying again!!!
"Look at that! He's smiling and laughing! Tsk, tsk."
DeleteTranslation: he's like my Lab when he's playing with his toy. Every once in a while he stops to "smile" at how much fun he's having.
Joe didn't just kick butt. Ryan showed he is a terrible debater. Bringing up a car accident story to Joe Biden? Really? At best, that's just cruel (I don't care how many years ... it still hurts). At worst, it is ego-driven foolishness. The latter assessment aligning with Ryan's general approach.
ReplyDeletewish there was a "like" button for this comment.
Deletei cringed at the story before ryan was halfway thru. if he plays it off as "i just didn't know about biden's family!" he comes off as WAY too ignorant to be a national political figure. the only other option is that he told it to purposefully try to rattle biden by intentionally calling up what must be one of the most painful things biden has ever lived thru.
lyin' ryan is a dick either way. and can you even imagine calling that man "paul"? i auto-go to "barack, mitt, joe, ryan" "paul" doesn't figure into it..... and fuck him for thinking that nicknaming a fetus "bean" trumps my right to be in charge of my own body! i hate this guy :(
That "bean" item was really creepy. With little "bean" sitting in the audience.
DeleteWe've all been little beans. That has nothing to do with anything. A bean is not a person.
I got news for you guys -- I think the bean thing is a lie. That's what Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love said about their daughter --- that's why her name is Frances BEAN. I think he stole that anecdote. It's obscure enough to get away with. But he supposedly likes grunge so he would know about it.
Delete4:07 - I really think you are onto something.
DeleteThat's republican version of "science and reason" : Abortions should be illegal because a growing fetus looks like a bean.
DeleteI almost did a spit-take when I heard Ryan say his views are based on "science and reason".
Biden kicked lyin ryan's ass..
ReplyDeleteI love Joe bringing up Grover Norquist! Thank you Joe! You did that for me!
ReplyDeleteAnd me! That was great!
DeleteYou guys have to watch tonight's 30 Rock. Sarah got stomped on! On the show, Ryan had to quit the race because it turns out he's from Kenya. Then -- Romney picks a doofus governor who looks like Tracy -- sound familiar????
ReplyDeleteOnly one thing wrong with the debate,I wanted to see Ryan(eddie munster) being mopped on the floor with Biden doing the mopping.
ReplyDeleteHe,Ryan, wrinkles up his brow,and gets that hang dog look, trying to be sincere. It does not work. Only makes me turn off the sound when he talks. Now that's better!! forgot to say he has a lisp of some sort, or else he was sipping more then h20
I bet there was a big puddle on the floor.
DeleteI would have loved it if Joe wrinkled his nose, looked down, and said "there's a smelly bucket of water on the floor. Hey man, your pants are wet!!"
AWESOME!!
I'm sure Sarah Palin is now gloating over how SHE did so much of a better job debating Biden, not admitting or even realizing that Biden pulled every one of his punches.
ReplyDeleteSigh. What I wouldn't give to have seen Biden unleashed against Palin the way he was against Ryan. This just shows the tremendous amount of restraint he must have exercised, the torture he must have endured, to be able to keep himself from shouting at her: "You're a complete know-nothing MORON!"
Loved this style of moderation and sitting down makes candidates look more comfortable.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how the news will spin this tomorrow, but right now Fox is focusing on Biden's smiling, of all things!! Hannity is going to show a montage of clips of the smiling and he and he had Sarah on a few minutes ago.
Clearly Joe was the winner. Big Bird should be proud!!
"I've never met him. I don't even know how he knows my name."
ReplyDeleteJoe would've kicked the shit out of Sarah 4 years ago, and I would've loved it. But there was no need to at the time, and he pulled EVERY punch.
Joe, inside your gut, you were laughing your ass off 4 years ago, but still managed a straight face against the tundra turd. Yes, it would've been fun to see her self-destruct, but you were gentle against a daft lightweight who was a very weak competition.
Good job staying hydrated, Ryan. It gets hot lyin' under those lights, huh?
He must have needed it after all his workouts that day.
DeleteThe GOP will never admit that Ryan was shitty. That is the difference between them and us. We are in danger of losing this because we bashed Obama and the GOP is going in for the kill now.
ReplyDeleteSounds like you got a touch of the vapors Hon..
DeleteBreathe deeply, go to the kitchen for some warm milk, and go to bed.
You're up too late, and the adults are talking.
Yeah, Ann's going to shoot us with welsh cakes?
DeleteMitt's going to kill us by saying something, anything, true?
Ryan got squashed like a bug.
Joe killed it at "malarky". Nothing better has happened in this entire campaign season.
ReplyDeleteI LOVED that, too. The Republicans had been mewling that it was nasty and unfair to say that Romney and Ryan are liars. They were trying to immunize themselves against such an attack.
DeleteSo Joe attacked -- but with a smile. "All that stuff," he dismissed. "Stuff?" asked the moderator. "Oh, you know, malarky. It's Irish," replied Joe with a grin.
Just the way to say that Ryan was Lyin', but with Joe's smiling Irish eyes. They can't whine that he said their plans were "malarky." He caught them with a left hook. And he reminded all the Irish voters who was a real Irishman, and who Father Murphy might, in the end, prefer that they vote for.
One of the comments that got the biggest cheer from me and almost had me dancing -- was when Biden hit Ryan with when he was hitting that the Republicans take more responsibility and then 'Good Uncle Joe' hit with the Grover Norguist pledge!! YEA!!
ReplyDeleteAnother great one was when Joe talked about possibility of 2 judges being appointed.
Joe was so passionate tonight which when you read some opinions -- he was over the top. They sure don't know the man!!!
Yeah, why is a pledge to Grover Norquist more important than a pledge to the United State of America?
DeleteI've been asking that question for a long time now. Who made Norquist God anyway? No one elected him. Loyalty belongs to the US and its citizens, not to this guy and certainly not to his pledge.
DeleteJoe Biden did about the best I've seen in a debate. He had the FACTS and EXPERIENCE at his fingertips; Ryan was shown to be a liar and waaaaay to extreme to be VP of this United States. Biden's emotions are right on and appropriate; he cares about the American people. Ryan is a joke on foreign policy.
ReplyDeleteI think Mitt Romney is regretting his choice about now; boo hoo. Paul Ryan would be a very dangerous man to have succeed any President, if tragedy struck.
He was absolutely 98%, almost perfect, in my opinion. I could tell he was tired and relieved at the very end, though. He gave it his best.
ReplyDeleteHe went home with Ryan's balls in his pocket.
DeleteShoot, they weren't in his pocket.
DeleteHe sliced them off, stomped on them, urinated on them, set them on fire, and took them out with yesterday's trash.
This is the Biden I wanted to see back in the 2008 debate. Sarah is probably letting out a big sigh of relief after watching this proof that can I call you Joe really took it easy on her and didn't use her as a dinner napkin as he did tonight with the lying Butch Patrick look alike.
ReplyDeleteNo substance from Ryan. All talking points and sales pitch propaganda about the economy unaware that the position him and his boss after is more than just that.
At the end, given time for a closing statement, he looked directly at the camera and all I saw was a marsupial with big eyes. A tarsier.. yeah that's it --A tarsier hanging onto a tree branch.
$arah is living in a fantasy world of her own delusion, and doesn't understand a damn thing about how nicely she was treated by Biden, and never will. Just my opinion!
DeleteBiden couldn't let loose on Palin because he would have been called "mean" etc.
DeleteHe HAD to hold back. Just like Obama has to hold back or be called "an angry Black man."
The parts I got to watch were most def controlled by Joe...I unfortunately live in Las Vegas and of course, the one friggin night you are watching something important....there was a massive storm and the national weather service kept interrupting every 5 min and lasted forever. I now have to watch it again on the internet, it was maddening. Ryan is a liar, liar, liar...and Joe laughing was being polite. I hope he reminded people about his record in congress, where are the jobs? Voting 30 some odd times on abortion, family planning, screw jobs or helping the military. How about Ryan's first speech at the convention...he lied about the GM plant, hows that for character? How about the work program lie for welfare? 90 min isn't enough time to argue all their lies.
ReplyDeleteThe whole debate I just imagined squeaky Ryan with a baseball cap with a whirly propeller on it...LOL. Our VP Joe did a great job!
ReplyDeleteThat photo of Ryan is just bizarre. Are they going for the Bubba vote with that? Certainly doesn't seem remotely presidential.
DeleteBest comment I've read so far:
ReplyDeleteClearly, Paul Ryan is not qualified to, if need be, step into the shoes of the President. He isn't even ready to step in to the shoes of_Sarah_Paylin
Thanks. I needed a laugh.
DeleteMay I remind everyone of "Game Change" when Biden left the stage and told his handlers, "YOU OWE ME". He could have had Esther for dinner on her idiocy but would have been accused of picking on a woman. It's what you call strategy, not due to "Palin intelligence". What an oxymoron!
ReplyDeleteBiden is the MAN! Ryan is an imposter and the "lady" is a tramp.
Joe had his Irish up and really railed Ryan. lol
ReplyDeleteI bet Ryan p*ssed his pants, what with all the water he was drinking.
DeleteI bet that Joe didn't even leave him cab fare for the ride home!!
Joe Biden's vice-presidential debate reactions in gifs
ReplyDeleteThe best facial expressions of Joe Biden. In gifs. (You're welcome.) And we've got the debate in words
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/12/joe-biden-paul-ryan-vp-debate-gif-recap
i almost didn't watch this debate at all. but then i thought, hey biden certainly DOES have "a way with words" so i watched it on c-span live (after watching the first prez one on local chicago PBS and deciding that i really NEEDED a split-screen visual to catch smirks and such like my fellow americans. the contrasting generalized reaction of persons who heard the first prez debate on the radio, vs. those who watched it live but pan-and-scan style, vs. live in split-screen was deeply interesting. the public is calling this entire election on body language, not substance, as far as the debates go.....)
ReplyDeleteand crap, i loved joe b. SO MUCH that now, having read all of the liveblogs, internet reaction, thoughts on the moderator, and everything, i'm watching it again on msnbc.
joe biden is awesome. SO AWESOME!
it's just true.
:D
Another great night for the left>
ReplyDeleteWith two polls already in CNN and NBC, Ryan took the CNN poll 48-44 and the
NBC by a whopping 20 points, 56-36.
"This is the Biden I wanted to see back in the 2008 debate."
And this is the Biden that the Romney camp wanted to see tonight.
Fuck.off.
DeleteDo you mean Biden took the polls?
DeleteTake it from someone who teaches research methods. Online polls mean nothing.
DeleteUhh Ryan lost the debate. End of discussion.
DeleteMs Palin and Bill O'Reilly:
ReplyDeleteShe is high on something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QvlN-rJKVE8#!
Her eye is EXTRA WONKY in that video. When is she gonna get it fixed?
Deleteyou should post this!
ReplyDeletehttp://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/mental-health-break-8.html
direct link:
http://youtu.be/NTDRmQCHbys
I did an entry on Facebook, describing how you can tell when someone has won an argument about politics, the moment one of the participants signals they've conceded by changing to calling their opponent ugly/fat/stupid/a spawn of Satan.
ReplyDeleteAs if to solidify my point, I just heard that the Republicans are saying VP Biden smiled too much and has really ugly teeth.
(And his mother no doubt wears army boots)
Holy crap, I'm getting sick and tired of all this third grader immaturity from the right. Possibly some on the left indulge as well, but the influence of Fox channel has made it a freaking ART.
http://youtu.be/NTDRmQCHbys
ReplyDeleteand they're actual sisters. from TEXAS! (i learned this from their youtube, and yes it appears they were on the x-factor show as singers).
young voters -from 90% white, very largely very christian, small town, middle/lower-middle class East Texas (you know, exactly "the type of people" romney/ryan are literally praying will turn out to vote for them....):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Belvieu,_Texas
yet they somehow DON'T want ryan/romney all up in their reproductive organs waving mad (literal and figurative) guns around like wanna-be-cowboys, and can be satirically tuneful about it.
and, with them and joe b., i find i have some hope left for our country ;)
Hey, these girls are great!
DeleteWhat a catchy little parody tune about P-P-P-90X Hulkster P-P-P-Paul Ryan.
I liked it when Joe Biden looked people in the eye and said who do you believe, me and the Democratic Party that have always stood proudly behind and for the middle class, or my opponent, who stands proudly behind and for the wealthy who are seeking to enslave the middle class.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I liked that part.
It looked an awful lot like a nerdy high-school kid trying (and failing) to debate his teacher.
ReplyDeleteFrom Esquire this morning:
ReplyDelete"You know what's the difference between Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan?
Lipstick."
That about says it all.
Yes. And they both have balls in a purse.
DeleteOff topic, but on Politico they have a story up quoting Sarah Palin. She calls the AP reporters jerks for running the photo of Romney bending over, comparing it to the photo of her with some kid looking up her skirt.
ReplyDeletePLEASE someone with a Facebook account link to the pictures of Sarah with the crotch zipper jeans.
OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI wanted to throw my panties at the screen about half-way through the debate.
Afterward, I woke up my hubby & gave him the best BJ of this life!!
I have NEVER had that reaction to ANYTHING on TV before.
Joe had now replace the Big Dog as my most manly of men!!
Sorry, I was so excited when I wrote that post, that I had a lot of typos in it.
Deletes/b
"best BJ of HIS life"
"Joe now replaces the Big Dog"
Anonymous5:24 AM
DeleteWhatever..."Baldy/Beefy dirty panty sniffer" troll! You give yourself away everytime you comment...guess what your "tell" is? LOL!!!
Gina,
DeleteI think you are wrong on this one.
What is the tell?
Gina,
DeleteTotally wrong. Biden was hot in sooooo many ways.
I am dripping with excitement about him.
Anyway, a troll would say Ryan was hot....
Hey - I'm the anony. that posted that....
DeleteI tell you what - Joe was HOT!!!
LMAO!!!
Delete2 jobs were created after the debates:
ReplyDelete1. Smart Water hired Ryan
2. Polident hired Biden
Headlines today: Biden as "alpha male" and Biden as "aggressive." Poor Paul Ryan. Nothing like a media that is willing to call it like it is. Vice President Biden is far superior in every way to Congressman Ryan.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
Note: It's the most important debate of the election if rAyn wins.
ReplyDeleteIt's insignificant and meaningless if Biden wins.
That's how the Rightwing Media spins it.