"I mean this is the thing that revolutions literally are made of. I mean this would be more devastating to our freedom, to our religious freedom, to the rights of pastors and their duty to be able to speak and Christians around the country, than anything that the revolutionaries during the American Revolution even dreamed of facing."
Worse than what the people fighting during the Revolution had to face? Could he exaggerate this issue any more?
Yes having Supreme Court Justices help define marriage is SO much worse than having it defined by a bunch of individuals who lived thousands of years ago during a time when they believed the earth was flat, sickness was caused by demons, and the sky above us was actually the Ocean of Heaven which held within it the Firmament of the Stars.
Yeah how dare modern day jurists pit their puny intellect and modern day perspective against THOSE Bronze Age geniuses!
I live in a state that recently voted (again) to (re-) allow gay marriage. The local paper is chock-full of indignant idiots WAILING about how the world is going to end because people they've never even met are going to be able to legally recognize their relationships.
ReplyDeleteWhich completely destroys the LU homophobes argument. People can rail in the editorials against whatever they want. Pastors can preach from their pulpits whatever they want.
DeleteAlcohol, gambling and non-marital sex, dancing, birth control and masturbation have all been legal for decades. Do pastors still preach against them - yep. Has there been a civil war about it - nope. But a whole lot of people have left churches - most of them laughing at the pastors. Sounds like this guy just wants laws to prevent his own self-humiliation.
The stupid. It burns.
ReplyDeleteAnd meanwhile, these are the same morons buying kevlar and massive amounts of weaponry over the internet, so more chidren will die violent deaths..I think this gun issue is far more likely to tear us apart than the fact that two loving people are permitted to marry each other.
ReplyDeleteThe main wailing I hear against gay marriage is, "What about the CHILDREN?????" You mean, the ones who aren't slaughtered by gun-toting lunatics? Why would they care that people they have never met want to marry?
DeleteI just don't get it. Nobody - NOBODY - is demanding that churches be forced to perform gay marriages. And Anon@5:30AM is right - nobody is saying pastors and priests can't preach against this to their stony little hearts' content.
ReplyDeleteHow is a state allowing gay marriage an assault on Christian religious freedom?
I live in Massachusetts. And despite the fact that we have gay marriage up here (and that we are liberals), we still have the lowest divorce rate in the nation. You'd think Christian churches would want to make us saints for that!
Although I suspect what really galls these people is the use of the word "marriage" to describe a legal union between gays or lesbians. All this fuss over semantics, a word used in the Bible to describe marriage between one man and one woman, or one man and more than one woman, or one man and numberless concubines, or one man and the woman/women who his parents have bought for him.
These right-wing Christians are fucking insane and they want the rest of us to be just as fucking insane.
How is a state allowing gay marriage an assault on Christian religious freedom?
DeleteIt's an assault on their freedom to prevent marriages they don't approve of from happening. More generally, it's an assault on their freedom to control the lives of other people.
Another example of this freedom is the freedom of employers to control the family-planning practises of their employees. IMHO, if the government fails to assault that freedom by requiring that employees of religious organizations get equal healthcare coverage, they are contravening the First Amendment.
Freedom of religion = freedom from religion...
ReplyDeleteThey don't understand this. They want to run everyone else's life and think that they have the authority because it was given to them by a higher power.
I cherish my own religious beliefs and honor others rights to their own views. I wish others would try...
I figure religious beliefs are sorta like romantic beliefs and parental beliefs.
ReplyDeleteYou can believe and even tell others that your spouse is the handsomest/beautifulest/sexiest/kindest/kinkiest in the whole wide world and that your special snowflake is the smartest/cutest/bestest snowflake evah! I will even nod politely and refrain from pointing out the sagging xxx, the buckteeth, the bad manners and failing grades. But when you expect me to bow down or deprive my own spouse and snowflake in deference to yours - all bets are off. You get your blinders yanked off as you are escorted OUT of my territory. Capiche?
A civil war? Oh yeah, because that worked out so well for the South last time.
ReplyDeleteA Civil War? Yeah, because that worked out so well for the South last time.
ReplyDeleteOf COURSE "Gay Marriage" destroys their entire family to the core. Because we all know that Straights have a monopoly on "Marriage" and "keeping their vows."
ReplyDeleteTake, for instance, Larry Craig and his lovely wife, Suzanne, and the three kids he adopted (Hers, from a previous Marriage), after he married her. No way gay marriage, or even gay sex, could possibly shake their marriage to the core! No way!
See how that works?
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Oh dear! Senator Crapo (yeah, I know!), a Mormon who publicly stated he abstains from alcohol, was arrested for DUI in Virginia.
It's ok, he's Republican and already said "I am sorry! It won't happen again!" Released on 1000 dollar bond.
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/mike-crapo-drunk-driving-85451.html